I have this weird problem: ISFJ women. - Page 2

GirlAmerica · 12-11-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hotmale

I don't know about ISFJs, but I found ISFPs and ESFJs pretty damn charming and funny!

Of course you do ESTJ...

chippinchunk · 12-11-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones

If it's any consolation, INFPs seem to have exactly the same weird attraction/repulsion thing towards ISTJs. I suspect that it's unconscious masochism. Or evidence of Malicious Design.

That seems very strange. But I wouldnt be able to doubt it.

Jennifer · 12-11-2007, 04:37 PM

Just to drive this conversation back towards academics and bore everyone to tears (!), I will point out the function analysis here:

INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe
ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne

Do you see the startling coincidence?

Within every INTP (TiNe) lurks an undeveloped ISFJ (SiFe).
And vice versa.

I think this is part of the odd attraction/annoyance the two types find with each other. They share all FOUR of their functions, so they can mesh very well by design and also act as a catalyst for the other...

... but the other person's strengths are their personal weaknesses and are bound to cause a lot of sparks if both people believe themselves to have a corner of truth and maturity.

The dynamic for INFP + ISTJ work the same way.

runvardh · 12-11-2007, 04:44 PM

Unless one really does have that corner of truth and maturity and both sides concede to this. It's rare, but it's how I managed to remain friends with an ISTJ ^_^

Jennifer · 12-11-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by runvardh

Unless one really does have that corner of truth and maturity and both sides concede to this. It's rare, but it's how I managed to remain friends with an ISTJ ^_^

It takes a lot of inner security to concede to an ISTJ, you're a brave kitty!

(jk, I couldn't resist...)

runvardh · 12-11-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennifer

It takes a lot of inner security to concede to an ISTJ, you're a brave kitty!

(jk, I couldn't resist...)

LOL, the poor guy was so maladjusted socially I had to take pitty on the poor boy. Didn't help that I could corner him with his own logic and then open a door for him with my own.

PinkPiranha · 12-11-2007, 07:02 PM

I don't find ISFJs annoying or hard to take at all, especially not the women. I don't get the aggro about it. There's no big mystery in being attracted to your Senser shadow -- I get along smashingly with ISTPs and ISFPs.

runvardh · 12-11-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkPiranha

I don't find ISFJs annoying or hard to take at all, especially not the women. I don't get the aggro about it. There's no big mystery in being attracted to your Senser shadow -- I get along smashingly with ISTPs and ISFPs.

Yeah, my ISFJ grandmother rocks, I have more fun with my ESFJ grandmother though, ^_^.

Jae Rae · 12-11-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennifer

Just to drive this conversation back towards academics and bore everyone to tears (!), I will point out the function analysis here:

INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe
ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne

Do you see the startling coincidence?

Within every INTP (TiNe) lurks an undeveloped ISFJ (SiFe).
And vice versa.

I think this is part of the odd attraction/annoyance the two types find with each other. They share all FOUR of their functions, so they can mesh very well by design and also act as a catalyst for the other...

... but the other person's strengths are their personal weaknesses and are bound to cause a lot of sparks if both people believe themselves to have a corner of truth and maturity.

The dynamic for INFP + ISTJ work the same way.

For ENTP + ISFJ, it's even stronger than INTP + ISFJ. Their functions are opposite each other:

ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne
ENTP= Ne + Ti + Fe + Si

And let's not forget the INTP's opposite

ESFJ = Fe + Si + Ne + Ti
INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe

All four types have the same functions, but in different order.

Even though we should have the closest functioning, I have no friends who are ESFJ. But I have a husband, close friend et al. in the INTP and ENTP groups. Go figure...

Jae Rae

PinkPiranha · 12-11-2007, 08:15 PM

One of my best friends is a female ISFJ and she's a crack-up. Very cosmic. Non-traditional. Not squeamish. Maternal. Up for just about anything.

All types have their downsides. To butcher the ISFJ type and rehash them as being both hideously repellent AND attractive just sounds a little sick to me. They aren't like staring at roadkill, for heavens' sake.

Signed, ENFJ Soul-Stealing Anti-Christ

12-11-2007, 04:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jennifer Totally Twinkly Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INtP Location: ! Coffeetopia ! Posts: 12,074	Just to drive this conversation back towards academics and bore everyone to tears (!), I will point out the function analysis here: INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne Do you see the startling coincidence? Within every INTP (TiNe) lurks an undeveloped ISFJ (SiFe). And vice versa. I think this is part of the odd attraction/annoyance the two types find with each other. They share all FOUR of their functions, so they can mesh very well by design and also act as a catalyst for the other... ... but the other person's strengths are their personal weaknesses and are bound to cause a lot of sparks if both people believe themselves to have a corner of truth and maturity. The dynamic for INFP + ISTJ work the same way. __________________

12-11-2007, 04:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
runvardh The string is so far... Join Date: Jun 2007 Type: INFP Location: Alberta Posts: 4,035	Unless one really does have that corner of truth and maturity and both sides concede to this. It's rare, but it's how I managed to remain friends with an ISTJ ^_^ __________________ Dreams are best served manifest and tangible. INFP, 4w5 sx/sp

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PinkPiranha Fe Lightning Waltz Join Date: Nov 2007 Type: eNFJ Location: darned if I know Posts: 5,325	I don't find ISFJs annoying or hard to take at all, especially not the women. I don't get the aggro about it. There's no big mystery in being attracted to your Senser shadow -- I get along smashingly with ISTPs and ISFPs.

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PinkPiranha Fe Lightning Waltz Join Date: Nov 2007 Type: eNFJ Location: darned if I know Posts: 5,325	One of my best friends is a female ISFJ and she's a crack-up. Very cosmic. Non-traditional. Not squeamish. Maternal. Up for just about anything. All types have their downsides. To butcher the ISFJ type and rehash them as being both hideously repellent AND attractive just sounds a little sick to me. They aren't like staring at roadkill, for heavens' sake. Signed, ENFJ Soul-Stealing Anti-Christ