NTs and Sleep Patterns

[Eldanen]

One summer I went to bed at around 7-9AM and got up at 5 PM, like clockwork, every day. I played Neverwinter Nights all night long baby .

[Firelie]

If I have no reason to wake up at a certain time the next morning, I usually stay up till about 2 am and wake up around 10.

I've had to start going to bed at 10-11 and wake up at 6:30/7:00 am for school, though.

[Googly_Eyes]

Without work/school/anything else (which I don't have right now) I just stay up until I'm too tired to go on. Not just because I'm a perceiver, but because I've given up on trying to force myself to stop thinking so I can go to sleep already.

It's currently 5:29am here and I've yet to go to bed.

[substitute]

Originally Posted by FDG

I have a very regular sleep pattern, because if I sleep well my day is 123423423 times better and I can do more things (i can work more quickly and thus have more free time, for example). So I usually go around 11:00-11:30 and wake up around 7:30. Often I train (cycling) during the day, so I have no problem falling asleep at all, in fact past 10:30 I start to get quite tired...

Even as a kid, I could never sleep past 9. I'm an early riser by nature.

this is interesting... it confirms what I've previously thought of as an accidental conspiracy against night owl types.

If you go to bed early, you sleep well and have more energy the next day. So 9 to 5 works for you.

If I go to bed early, I lie awake, bored, frustrated, driving myself crazy and unable to sleep, through the small hours of the morning. I spend the day exhausted, somewhat spaced out, and looking forward to crashing out as soon as possible. But it never happens.

Then the same thing happens the following night, until after a week or so, eventually I'm so exhausted that I do crash out the minute the kids are quiet and watching TV, and sleep until they're pestering me to cook dinner. Then, naturally, I totally perk up at 11pm again and the cycle begins again.

I've sometimes thought that perhaps there's a link between night-owl sleeping patterns and N-ness... I sometimes wonder if the fact that the world's pretty unsympathetic to night owls, causing me to spend most of my waking daylight hours feeling tired, a little confused and not quite with it, so that my senses aren't really functioning properly, is what's forced me since childhood to rely more on intuition...??

I also notice how much better I function when I've had enough sleep. But the way our society is geared gives me precious little opportunity to actually enjoy that state. During times when I'm on vacation without the kids, I do find that if I can spend a couple of weeks in what seems my biologically natural sleeping pattern, semi-nocturnal, I do have more energy and am more alert; I feel like I'm on cocaine or something, like someone who's gradually gone near-sighted over a long period and then suddenly gets given some glasses - "Woah! You mean trees have individual leaves???"

[FDG]

Originally Posted by substitute

this is interesting... it confirms what I've previously thought of as an accidental conspiracy against night owl types.

If you go to bed early, you sleep well and have more energy the next day. So 9 to 5 works for you.

Yeah, it's true that it generally works better for me than most of my friends that are night owls. Some of them have been able to circumvent this problem by working at jobs with a more afternoon-to-evening oriented schedule (for example, with shifts or by working at a restaurant in the evening).

If I go to bed early, I lie awake, bored, frustrated, driving myself crazy and unable to sleep, through the small hours of the morning. I spend the day exhausted, somewhat spaced out, and looking forward to crashing out as soon as possible. But it never happens.

Then the same thing happens the following night, until after a week or so, eventually I'm so exhausted that I do crash out the minute the kids are quiet and watching TV, and sleep until they're pestering me to cook dinner. Then, naturally, I totally perk up at 11pm again and the cycle begins again.

I've sometimes thought that perhaps there's a link between night-owl sleeping patterns and N-ness... I sometimes wonder if the fact that the world's pretty unsympathetic to night owls, causing me to spend most of my waking daylight hours feeling tired, a little confused and not quite with it, so that my senses aren't really functioning properly, is what's forced me since childhood to rely more on intuition...??

Ahah, I understand the problem; I actually think that perceiving types are more likely to be night owls than judging types, as an overall pattern (this, imo, is also due to the fact that perceivers tend to become more effective as the deadline approaches; so if we use as deadline-measure the end of the day for doing whatever the person wanted to do (even pleasurable activities), It'd make sense that perceivers are more likely to be active during the night).

I also notice how much better I function when I've had enough sleep. But the way our society is geared gives me precious little opportunity to actually enjoy that state. During times when I'm on vacation without the kids, I do find that if I can spend a couple of weeks in what seems my biologically natural sleeping pattern, semi-nocturnal, I do have more energy and am more alert; I feel like I'm on cocaine or something, like someone who's gradually gone near-sighted over a long period and then suddenly gets given some glasses - "Woah! You mean trees have individual leaves???"

I think the only way to manage would be to have a job/general schedule that allows for a more nocturnal lifestyle. But it's not so easy, given that many services are only available during the day.

[whatever]

I go to sleep somewhere around 3 or 4 am and wake up around 11 usually (earlier today because I have plans). I work second shift, so I really see no point in going to bed before midnight- that's around the time I get home and start making dinner

When I had early classes in school, I would stay awake until 3 or 4 still and wake up at 7:30 and then take a 4 hour nap before heading into work in the afternoon

I laughed at the notion of a sleep "pattern" too, bc I certainly don't have any set rules about my sleeping!

(and I can sympathize with the whole being woken up early thing- my dad wakes my sis and I up at 8 am when we're home, stating that it was nearly noon and time to get our lazy selves out of bed... at least he's cheerful about it I suppose )

[heart]

I'm not NT, but no matter when or how much I actually sleep, I was feel better and more alert the deeper into the night hours it gets.

[whatever]

^ explaining why you're usually here when I'm here

[substitute]

Originally Posted by FDG

Ahah, I understand the problem; I actually think that perceiving types are more likely to be night owls than judging types, as an overall pattern (this, imo, is also due to the fact that perceivers tend to become more effective as the deadline approaches; so if we use as deadline-measure the end of the day for doing whatever the person wanted to do (even pleasurable activities), It'd make sense that perceivers are more likely to be active during the night).

Woah yeah, hadn't thought of that... but I think you might have a point!
You're coming at it from a 'symptom' angle though whilst I was thinking more 'cause'. Like, perhaps P-ness causes night-owliness, and night-owliness causes N-ness! So... NP's are night owls par exellence?

I think the only way to manage would be to have a job/general schedule that allows for a more nocturnal lifestyle. But it's not so easy, given that many services are only available during the day.

yeah... and virtually impossible to get anything that pays well outside of office hours...

[FDG]

Originally Posted by substitute

Woah yeah, hadn't thought of that... but I think you might have a point!
You're coming at it from a 'symptom' angle though whilst I was thinking more 'cause'. Like, perhaps P-ness causes night-owliness, and night-owliness causes N-ness! So... NP's are night owls par exellence?

Yeah well they're intertwined; I wouldn't be able to separate the cause from the effect, even if maybe one is really the cause of the other. So yes it does seem that NPs would be the most likely to be night owls.