Top Three Reasons For Why INTs Suck

[Uberfuhrer]

Originally Posted by Nighthawk

The alternative ... for me ... is to bottle up my alternative perspectives inside until I explode by either acting out (i.e. absenteeism, sneaking out of work to drink, hacking, sabotage, etc.), or just leave when I've had enough. I'm not sure which way is better. At least you resolve your issue quickly.

Hmmm...I actually bottle up anger and then lash out (Hulk style). Needless to say, that has also gotten me fired or at least written up...though my jobs were as a crewmember at McDonald's and a stock boy at JCPenney's. Still, at Penney's, I had to bring down heavy merchandise down and load up the cars of cranky old people -- who routinely cursed me out. Eventually, though, I couldn't hold my desires to lash out in.

And absenteeism isn't a very easy way to keep your job either!

[Shimpei]

1. over-theorizing and over-analysing instead of making decisions and act upon them

2. basically no or little practicality

3. inertia, tendency to procrastinate away your life

+1: arrogance


Otherwise, you're a charming bunch of people and I like you a lot.

[Metamorphosis]

Originally Posted by Shimpei

2. basically no or little practicality

[toonia]

Originally Posted by Shimpei

+1: arrogance

These references are common, and I've seen the NT behavior conceived of as arrogance, and the response to it. What's strange is that my concept of arrogance is profoundly different and has nothing to do with INTness. I do get they can express very direct, even harshly, with frustration, as though the person they are talking to is an 'idiot'. The difference is that INTs are unlikely to behave that way unless they have invested a great deal into arriving at their conclusion. When the other person rejects it on a whim, the result is frustration, but justifiably so imo. If it's true that I'm wrong, or careless and someone tells me without cushioning it, it isn't arrogance. If someone assumes they know what I know simply because they like the way that assumption feels, that is arrogance. To me arrogance is cheap, invested in social dominance for the sake of it, a sham, an overestimation of self for gratuitous reasons, inflated entitlement and a complete disregard for others and for what is true.

For example Beethoven (who was absolutely an INT) said "There will be thousands of princes, but one Beethoven." That isn't arrogance because it is the truth.

[Shimpei]

Originally Posted by Metamorphosis

I admit I was thinking of INTPs, first of all.

[Shimpei]

Originally Posted by toonia

For example Beethoven (who was absolutely an INT) said "There will be thousands of princes, but one Beethoven." That isn't arrogance because it is the truth.

It's a hidden arrogance.

[ptgatsby]

Originally Posted by Shimpei

It's a hidden arrogance.

I'm an NT and have come to realise that the vast majority of us are overly secure in our own ways/views. We mostly deal with the outer world being so 'harsh' by separating and elevating ourselves above others - the literal definition of arrogance. We seek reassurance in our own superiority. Those that get unhealthy begin to take it out on others... the rest keep it inside. It still leaks out.

[Natrushka]

Originally Posted by Shimpei

It's a hidden arrogance.

Disagree. There's nothing presumptuous or overbearing about it. It is a fact. You also have no context.

3. inertia, tendency to procrastinate away your life

I don't think this is INT but INTP. I know it's certainly not INTJ.

[Jennifer]

Originally Posted by ptgatsby

I'm an NT and have come to realise that the vast majority of us are overly secure in our own ways/views. We mostly deal with the outer world being so 'harsh' by separating and elevating ourselves above others - the literal definition of arrogance. We seek reassurance in our own superiority. Those that get unhealthy begin to take it out on others... the rest keep it inside. It still leaks out.

You're so wrong!!!!!



Actually, can we explore the notion of simultaneously being secure and insecure in one's views?

As I type this, I think the best way to clarify it is this:

1. My faith in my conclusions is shaky.
2. My faith in my reasoning process is absolute.

Are those two things compatible?

Arrogance I think is related to #2 but not to #1.

If I trust my reasoning process, how can I not trust my conclusions? Because I am aware that all data is faulty and/or incomplete... leading to ambiguous conclusions at some level.

Originally Posted by Natrushka

I don't think this is INT but INTP. I know it's certainly not INTJ.

I'll get back to you once I finish surfing the rest of the forum/Internet/checking my e-mail for the fortieth time today.

Originally Posted by toonia

The difference is that INTs are unlikely to behave that way unless they have invested a great deal into arriving at their conclusion. When the other person rejects it on a whim, the result is frustration, but justifiably so imo.

I very much identify with that. Few things make me more annoyed than people rejecting my ideas or even criticizing my intelligence or motives, when it's clear that they haven't bothered to really look at all the angles (if any of them) and I know I spent a lot of time thoroughly going through things beforehand.

And so the reaction sometimes has been an overblown "door slam in the face" or something else that comes off as "Smarter than Thou."

[Shimpei]

Originally Posted by Natrushka

Disagree. There's nothing presumptuous or overbearing about it.

That's why it's a hidden arrogance.