Cold-Hearted Feelers and Unintelligent Thinkers

[Babylon Candle]

Originally Posted by Terian

I believe that while ENxPs are the two most-likely types to be gifted, ENFPs are more likely than ENTPs.

I think the distinction should be "cold-hearted Feelers" vs "warm-hearted Thinkers".

i assume you mean gifted in the way that like "hes a ****ing genius!" like as in tangent thinking, holistic learning (not just memorizing organic chem, but like actually *getting it* ), better than most at extrapolating patterns...

in a way I think intelligence can be boiled down to pattern recognition and best use of logic. Ne is the ultimate pattern recognition. Ti, the ultimate logic. So im unsure how you can say that the ENFP is more likely to be gifted than the ENTP??? You must have some reasons for valuing Te over Ti that I would love to hear .

btw, Im ENFP... im the one who often has all the similar interests as my ENTP friends, but naturally they are usually better at them if they require being very quantitative while i do better if it is more of a qualitative system. often they will get better grades, yet everyone still thinks im smarter than them hahaha. I guess my verbal intelligence kind of shines through when talking in person.

[Jack Flak]

INTPs are, on average, just as good at "pattern recognition and...use of logic" as ENTPs, and are commonly "gifted."

I have known "gifted" ENFPs, one specifically comes to mind, though of course logic is often shoved to the sidelines in favor of feeling. Ignorance of logic can have the same net effect as lacking the capability to use it.

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Originally Posted by Terian

I believe that while ENxPs are the two most-likely types to be gifted, ENFPs are more likely than ENTPs.

I think the distinction should be "cold-hearted Feelers" vs "warm-hearted Thinkers".

I don't think this at all, because the thinker's preference is for the use of logic to make judgements and if their intelligence is limited or their logic is flawed, then they will have trouble using their preference. Without enough intelligence and math skills to think out logic problems in a clear and concise way, how could they adeqautely use their thinking preference and yet it would be their preference.

Just as for the feeler whose preference is for focus on human interaction and values, if their basic connection/empathy to other humans is damaged or limited, then they too would have trouble adequately using their preference.

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I mean really, it would the saddest of all situations for a thinker to not have a strong intelligent basis on which to form their logic and it would also be very sad for a feeler to not be able to make connections with other people and operating on corrupt value systems...yet both still trying to use their preferences to get by in life and failing but not understanding why.

[Jack Flak]

Originally Posted by heart

I mean really, it would the saddest of all situations for a thinker to not have a strong intelligent basis on which to form their logic and it would also be very sad for a feeler to not be able to make connections with other people and operating on corrupt value systems...yet both still trying to use their preferences to get by in life and failing but not understanding why.

Yes, and it's uncommon but not rare. Life's a...You know the rest.

[disregard]

I would expect that a feeler would be more inclined to acquire a defense such as cold-heartedness or emotional unavailability, as they are oriented to feelings, and thus need the defense more than someone who is not (a "thinker").

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Originally Posted by disregard

I would expect that a feeler would be more inclined to acquire a defense such as cold-heartedness or emotional unavailability, as they are oriented to feelings, and thus need the defense more than someone who is not (a "thinker").

I am not talking so much about self-protection as I am corruption and disconnectedness from other people.

It seems a healthy feeler would develop a filter to keep others at a distance until they proved trustworthiness but what about when even those who prove trust cannot be allowed in? Then that seems to be when a pathology of sorts begins. Also their value systems might become corrupted by the self justification of "it's every man for himself out there! I better get mine too!"

I am talking about damage/corruption not normal wisdom.

[Jack Flak]

You're independently re-discovering the concepts behind personality disorders and learning disabilities here, heart. May take it under advisement not to get too riled up...

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Originally Posted by Jack Flak

May take it under advisement not to get too riled up...

I'm not "riled up" I am merely interested in a concept. I get so tired of being accused of being when I am merely interested in an idea. (Yeah, now I am sort of riled up about being labeled as being riled up. )

[Jack Flak]

I was just speaking with style. By riled up I meant "ahead of yourself" or "thinking that you just discovered the meaning of life." lol