I vs E and emotion

[animenagai]

I and E shows us how much we like being with a lot of people, that goes without saying. however, i think there's more to that, or at least this like/dislike of being with a lot of people has secondary effects. look at the MBTI types, and the types with only I vs E differences could have big emotional differences.

the one that sticks out to me is INTJ vs ENTJ. ENTJ's often have anger issues. i'm not making this up, go read up on the literature. having traveled with one before, i can safely say that guy ranks up there amongst one of the angriest people i know. he'll calm it down after his explosion, but o what an explosion. the INTJ on the other hand seems to rarely get angry. heck there's a thread about INTJ's and anger and most of them say they've never been angry at all.

INFP vs ENFP is one that i'm more familiar with and i can definitely see emotional differences. INFP's are attracted to sad things. they call tragedies and such 'beautiful'. ENFP's stay away from it like the plague. i can respect it, but i can't say i want to see something sad for the sake of it. we both dwell on the sadness being NF's, but somehow, the I likes it (as long as it's not something that's happened to themselves or whatever) whereas the other one can't stand it. why is that?

go ahead and list some of your own observations and theories. how does I vs E affect emotions?

[heart]

I wouldn't say I like sad things because they are sad, but rather because they are true. I cannot stand any kind of fakery or running from true feelings, so I'd rather be truly sad than fake happy. The beauty is in the truth of it, not the sadness. Hope that made some sense.

One thing that is hard for me is when other people are running from truth in their feelings or what they say, I want to pierce their fake projection and get into the reality of what is going on, but I have to stop and question myself as if I've really got the right to do that.

[kyuuei]

I appreciate the truth in sadness as well.. just from a distance. Being very expressive about myself, I couldn't help but empathize and become saddened myself.. I'm not very good at standing on the sidelines with emotion. If I see something, I become involved in it.. and who wants to feel sad when it's not necessary? So I think you're onto something there.

I know sometimes people get all uppity about awkward silences.. I don't think silence is always awkward, and even if around my friends sometimes it's good for us all to just sit there with each other in silence.. but I know some people cannot STAND it. Something has to be noisy or talking constantly.

[Jack Flak]

Someone told me ENTPs have emotions. I lol'd, those silly guys.

[Tallulah]

I don't know if I know any real-life ENTPs. I'd be interested to hear someone's take on the I/E difference with INTPs and ENTPs.

[Jack Flak]

I don't know if I know any real-life ENTPs. I'd be interested to hear someone's take on the I/E difference with INTPs and ENTPs.
Just emotionally?

ENTPs wear their heart 10x more on their sleeves than INTPs. You can generally decipher mood. If it's not obvious, they'll say something like "I love you/I hate you."

I don't think it's just the obviousness, either. Their emotions seem to be affected more instantaneously by stimuli.

[gloomy-optimist]

Yeah, there are some difference between ENFJs and INFJs, but I don't think they're quite as big as maybe some differences are between other types. I'd just say that ENFJs are much more likely to be who they are without worry; I envy my ENFJ friends a little, because they are just so fun-loving and out there with people. But they always seem a little more sensitive than they let on, under the surface.
INFJs are more into reflection, I think, and we need more time to do so. We're also a lot less prone to trust people right out...or at least, that's the impression I get; I could be wrong.

[Aimahn]

And ENTPs LOVE to play games with people. There the ones you always notice making little snide remarks all the time and their usually clever bastards, great at thinking quick on there feet and getting out of things. Like a drunk INTP on speed.

*thats why people think mr Flak is one

[Neo Genesis]

INFP vs ENFP is one that i'm more familiar with and i can definitely see emotional differences. INFP's are attracted to sad things. they call tragedies and such 'beautiful'.

??? If you could, please give me some examples. I'm really at a loss for thoughts on this.

On the anger topic, I believe that Es are much more reactive to anger because of their nature, that being an "in the moment" reaction, whereas the Is will reflect on their feelings in solitude. This creates an illusion where Is are seen as being calmer than their extraverted counterparts, when in reality they are just better at containing their emotions until they escape from other people and vent.

[animenagai]

??? If you could, please give me some examples. I'm really at a loss for thoughts on this.

On the anger topic, I believe that Es are much more reactive to anger because of their nature, that being an "in the moment" reaction, whereas the Is will reflect on their feelings in solitude. This creates an illusion where Is are seen as being calmer than their extraverted counterparts, when in reality they are just better at containing their emotions until they escape from other people and vent.

take the example of music. if an INFP and an ENFP both listens to a sad song, the INFP is more prone to liking it. same for say a tragedy (play). it's in the literature, though you may be an exception.

[mlittrell]

I and E shows us how much we like being with a lot of people, that goes without saying. however, i think there's more to that, or at least this like/dislike of being with a lot of people has secondary effects. look at the MBTI types, and the types with only I vs E differences could have big emotional differences.

the one that sticks out to me is INTJ vs ENTJ. ENTJ's often have anger issues. i'm not making this up, go read up on the literature. having traveled with one before, i can safely say that guy ranks up there amongst one of the angriest people i know. he'll calm it down after his explosion, but o what an explosion. the INTJ on the other hand seems to rarely get angry. heck there's a thread about INTJ's and anger and most of them say they've never been angry at all.

INFP vs ENFP is one that i'm more familiar with and i can definitely see emotional differences. INFP's are attracted to sad things. they call tragedies and such 'beautiful'. ENFP's stay away from it like the plague. i can respect it, but i can't say i want to see something sad for the sake of it. we both dwell on the sadness being NF's, but somehow, the I likes it (as long as it's not something that's happened to themselves or whatever) whereas the other one can't stand it. why is that?

go ahead and list some of your own observations and theories. how does I vs E affect emotions?

as far as ENTJs/INTJs go, i dont think it tends to be an emotional anger as much as a im-fed-up-with-all-the-retards-around-me kind of anger. i have noticed that ENTJs dont have as much control over their anger (in general) as INTJs do (maybe due to a shift in the functions?) also, have you ever met an angery ISTJ, its frightening. so i dont think I or E really has too much to do with emotions generally but as far as indivual types, well ya it does.

take the INFP/ENFP comparison. with an INFP, Fi is their dominant function. now whenever i see Fi in any type (as a dominant function especially) it tends to show itself in an almost negative light. its almost dark. but that is just how it shows itself. is it really dark, of course not. that is why with the ENFP you don't see that "darkness" because it filters through the light of extroverted intuition (thats a vague explaination).

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I also notice that introverts might not show it as much because (a direct quote from a close friend) "it takes too much out of me (them), if it is something i (they) can handle then what is the point"

[FDG]

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT ENTJS DONT HAVE ANGER PROBLEMS OKAY? FUCK THIS SHIT!! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Neo Genesis]

take the example of music. if an INFP and an ENFP both listens to a sad song, the INFP is more prone to liking it. same for say a tragedy (play). it's in the literature, though you may be an exception.

You know, I hadn't really noticed this until I thought about. Its not that I do it by choice, but, for the most part, my daydreams become much more vivid, which sort of sparks a mini-debate in my head about different topics, such as right vs. evil.

["?"]

As usual a basic principle is being overlooked since type does not measure emotions in any of the cognitive functions. Whether someone is more prone to show or talk about their emotions may be an indication of whether they're E/I. As the saying goes, if you don't know what an extravert is thinking you haven't been listening. If you don't know what an introvert is thinking you have not asked. Key word thinking, not feeling (emotion). All dominant T types, regardelss of attitude, react in the same way as you describe the ENTJ (at least in theory).

[gloomy-optimist]

The difference between my ENTJ sister and my INTJ friends is that my sister likes studying with people. And she's more forceful when talking about politics. The INTJs I know just give you that look like "I'm not going to argue with you cuz I know I'm right, so I'm just going to pretend like I'm listening." But they are very similar in the fact that I don't like talking politics with either of them :B

[digesthisickness]

I and E shows us how much we like being with a lot of people, that goes without saying. however, i think there's more to that, or at least this like/dislike of being with a lot of people has secondary effects. look at the MBTI types, and the types with only I vs E differences could have big emotional differences.

introversion and extroversion mean completely different things when in the context of MBTI theory. it's not the same, nor nearly as simple, as the dictionary definitions of the two. no letter stands alone in MBTI. it's the four letters combined that define the E and I.

when it comes to ENTPs, it's not the desire to be around people that matters, it's the desire to be in, understand, and explore the world, that matters. people are a default interest as they just happen to make up a large part of it, and come with a handy dandy 'mystery' by their very nature of being human.

I don't know if I know any real-life ENTPs. I'd be interested to hear someone's take on the I/E difference with INTPs and ENTPs.

maybe this site will help.

Myers-Briggs eight functions carl jung, jungian cognitive functions, mental functions (http://www.famoustype.com/functions.htm)

if not, any search that involves type, functions, and mbti will help. maybe you'll find a better one as that site was a quick pick.

Just emotionally?

ENTPs wear their heart 10x more on their sleeves than INTPs. You can generally decipher mood. If it's not obvious, they'll say something like "I love you/I hate you."

I don't think it's just the obviousness, either. Their emotions seem to be affected more instantaneously by stimuli.

not directing this to just you, but to the comment itself, therefore, everyone:

if ENTPs couldn't hide their emotions/thoughts, then i (and most others, no doubt) would have been banned from many a forum long ago. we're just as capable of doing so. it's whether or not, after analyzing the situation (many times, even while analyzing it), we choose to do so that's the bigger difference.

being an ENTP, for me, compared to the INTPs i know, has shown me one major difference when it comes to showing (not feeling, but showing, as we ALL feel) emotions, and that's that IRL, i'm much more apt to come to the conclusion faster that the risk of saying what i'm thinking is worth (or balances out just fine) the consequences of speaking up.

i'm much more apt to choose to act on what i'm thinking/feeling also, after being faster to conclude the consequence is worth the risk.

it's not that we both aren't capable of thinking before we speak or act, it's that i'm more quick to both analyze the situation at hand and the consequences and follow through (or not) and more apt to find the risk of doing so worth it.

see, it's not that i don't think, it's that being more clued in to my surroundings, thus faster to analyze the situation -Ne- (people not being necessarily a favorite, just a default part of it), i'm sensitive to when i should keep my mouth shut and how they'll take what i'm thinking of saying/doing (not to mention whether it's worth it to even bother).

remember, a large part of keeping/making friends requires not only speaking up, but knowing when to not say what you're really thinking.

[Jack Flak]

I can understand that. I didn't think ENTPs were more emotionally volatile because they're stupid.

[substitute]

Someone told me ENTPs have emotions. I lol'd, those silly guys.

:steam:

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I hate it when the tests ask if you like going to parties or being around lots of people. Extraversion isn't about that, dammit! It's about being externally oriented towards the object; it's about needing to externalize your shit in order to sort through and deal with it. You can do that with just one person, you don't need a party. And there are a lot of E's who don't like parties - and I know an ISTP who never misses one. I'd say a fairer question would be "how often do you feel a need or desire to talk to someone face to face?" or "what percentage of your time would you ideally spend in company with others?" Cos the way they're usually phrased makes a lot of E's think they're I's and possibly vice versa. And it makes a lot of I's assume that just because I'm an E, I'm automatically totally at ease with all people, any people, in any numbers, anywhere. Gah!!

ANYWAY, i think it's pretty obvious that, given what I just said above, about E's needing to externalize, we're gonna seem more emotional than I's, since whatever they do feel they keep to themselves, whilst we externalize it - that of it which we acknowledge or entertain, that is.

An INTJ can tell me he never gets angry if he wants, but I won't believe him. I know they seethe and steam like all mortals - they just do it internally. Not losing your temper outwardly does not mean you're never angry.

You know, I spent most of my life really introverted (artificially), and pretty timid and scared. I never showed my anger, partly through fear that the response would be something I couldn't handle, and partly because I was so isolated and desperate for human company that I felt I couldn't jeopardize it by scaring off the people I did see by showing negative emotions. And because I NEVER lost my temper or shouted or yelled or even expressed disapproval of people outwardly, and didn't admit to myself that I did inwardly, I used to say confidently of myself "I am not an angry person".

Until a couple of years ago, when some sessions with a therapist revealed that I am, in fact, a FUCKING angry person. Hell yes. Choleric is my temperament, and anger is the founding emotion for much of what I do, think and choose, and this is the way I am and have always been. This does not necessarily mean that I always seem angry or feel it. It just means that, generally, it's anger about injustices, prejudices, hypocrisy, failures, inconsistencies, that sorta thing, that pretty much informs what I choose to do myself.

And though I repress it and try to keep it from my decision making processes in order to be as objective as I can, I am now aware that there has always been a note of anger, an undercurrent, you might say, in my personality, that in fact does manifest itself by impatience quite often, but more often, irritability, irascibilty that's masked by humour... I get what I want because I have a passion behind what I say and do that's driven by this deep-seated anger. But I'm not stupid enough to think that throwing my weight around and yelling at people will get me what I want. So, like I say, I repress it and convert it through self-discipline into something that comes out on the surface as something much more constructive and persuasive.

[substitute]

Oh and Jack, don't forget that ENTP's are very high on the self-monitoring scale... we've been known to fake/exaggerate/dissemble etc emotions according to what's most expedient at the time... for example, if someone I know shows me some work they've done and I think it's good, but I know they'll think I'm "just saying that" so's not to hurt their feelings, I figure I've got to not only show more of my emotional response than I otherwise would, but also exaggerate it somewhat to a level that they'll find difficult to dismiss.

[digesthisickness]

:steam:

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I hate it when the tests ask if you like going to parties or being around lots of people. Extraversion isn't about that, dammit! It's about being externally oriented towards the object; it's about needing to externalize your shit in order to sort through and deal with it. You can do that with just one person, you don't need a party. And there are a lot of E's who don't like parties - and I know an ISTP who never misses one. I'd say a fairer question would be "how often do you feel a need or desire to talk to someone face to face?" or "what percentage of your time would you ideally spend in company with others?" Cos the way they're usually phrased makes a lot of E's think they're I's and possibly vice versa. And it makes a lot of I's assume that just because I'm an E, I'm automatically totally at ease with all people, any people, in any numbers, anywhere. Gah!!

ANYWAY, i think it's pretty obvious that, given what I just said above, about E's needing to externalize, we're gonna seem more emotional than I's, since whatever they do feel they keep to themselves, whilst we externalize it - that of it which we acknowledge or entertain, that is.

An INTJ can tell me he never gets angry if he wants, but I won't believe him. I know they seethe and steam like all mortals - they just do it internally. Not losing your temper outwardly does not mean you're never angry.

You know, I spent most of my life really introverted (artificially), and pretty timid and scared. I never showed my anger, partly through fear that the response would be something I couldn't handle, and partly because I was so isolated and desperate for human company that I felt I couldn't jeopardize it by scaring off the people I did see by showing negative emotions. And because I NEVER lost my temper or shouted or yelled or even expressed disapproval of people outwardly, and didn't admit to myself that I did inwardly, I used to say confidently of myself "I am not an angry person".

Until a couple of years ago, when some sessions with a therapist revealed that I am, in fact, a FUCKING angry person. Hell yes. Choleric is my temperament, and anger is the founding emotion for much of what I do, think and choose, and this is the way I am and have always been. This does not necessarily mean that I always seem angry or feel it. It just means that, generally, it's anger about injustices, prejudices, hypocrisy, failures, inconsistencies, that sorta thing, that pretty much informs what I choose to do myself.

And though I repress it and try to keep it from my decision making processes in order to be as objective as I can, I am now aware that there has always been a note of anger, an undercurrent, you might say, in my personality, that in fact does manifest itself by impatience quite often, but more often, irritability, irascibilty that's masked by humour... I get what I want because I have a passion behind what I say and do that's driven by this deep-seated anger. But I'm not stupid enough to think that throwing my weight around and yelling at people will get me what I want. So, like I say, I repress it and convert it through self-discipline into something that comes out on the surface as something much more constructive and persuasive.

um. okaaaaaay then....

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i think mbti screwed up by using terms that were already established and widely used. they need to change that to extro-/intro- something else.

[substitute]

LOL well, yeah I get a bit carried away, I'm not one of the more Ti-anchored ENTP's like you and Jack :alttongue:

externalizer and internalizer?

[digesthisickness]

externalizer and internalizer?

eh. nah. they sound like robot villains. "Beware! For I am The ExternalizOR".

whatever would mean, "apt" or "lean towards" or "preference", etc.

[Tallulah]

It does bother me, sub, when someone doesn't believe me when I tell them what I do or do not feel. I am not an angry person. I'm a person that lets stuff roll. I don't have the energy to get mad at every injustice in the world. I realize for my sanity that I can't care about everything--in fact, my apathy trumps my anger every single time. Sure, I get frustrated, and feel anger at momentary things or a situation I feel like I have no control over. But sitting around feeling anger doesn't work for me. I have to reason with it and turn it into something I can deal with. I don't know, it just bothers me when people imply that because they feel a lot of anger, that everyone else must feel it just as intensely all the time, but they're just hiding it, and/or deceiving themselves.

[Aimahn]

^Yeah I can relate, I honestly don't have the energy to constantly make those little snap anger reactions when I'm in a situation thats upsetting. I think it is much better to clear that mental turmoil internally so I can proceed to do whatever it was I was doing. I think I have a much lower reserve of energy for those things than extroverts so I have to tactfully choose when to express it, even so it is much better for me in the long and short run if I settle it on a mental level before resorting to action.

[substitute]

Well no that's not what I meant Tallulah... I didn't mean to say "because I have a lot of anger therefore everyone must and I don't believe anyone who says they don't".

Also, I did specifically mention INTJ's because an earlier post in this thread talked about how many INTJ's in the INTJ's and anger thread claimed never to feel anger - yet the INTJ's I know both in RL and here seem to be pretty pretty irritable almost by definition and don't take an awful lot of pushing before they'll come out with "just fuck off!" or something like that. It's one of the things I find most endearing about them :wub:

I just meant to illustrate by my experience that there is a difference between what's felt and what's shown, both in intensity and in nature, in all people.

I don't know you well enough to say anything about you personally, Tallulah, but I have known quite a few INTP's to come across as grouchy and often give an impression of being angry/mad at people and yet they claim they're totally not. I can't help suspecting that with Fe being inferior function, this thing where it says in many of the INTP profiles "the INTP is seldom aware of what they're feeling even when the rest of the world can be in little doubt", is relevant somewhere here. Either they're showing more emotion than they feel, or they're feeling (and showing) more emotion than they're aware of. Or something else...

But anyway... I was by no means trying to assert that because I'm a big ol' ball of passion, therefore everyone else is whether they show it or not. Hell, I know enough ISTJ's to know there are folks out there with no feelings :alttongue:

[Haphazard]

I just can't hold onto anger that long -- or most emotions, for that matter. Even if I want to hold onto them, they just diffuse whether I want them to or not.

Although I really hate it when people ask me about 'being so upset' when the 'upset' is so long gone that I can't even remember what happened or what I was feeling or anything about what they're asking about at all.

[digesthisickness]

Well no that's not what I meant Tallulah... I didn't mean to say "because I have a lot of anger therefore everyone must and I don't believe anyone who says they don't".

Also, I did specifically mention INTJ's because an earlier post in this thread talked about how many INTJ's in the INTJ's and anger thread claimed never to feel anger - yet the INTJ's I know both in RL and here seem to be pretty pretty irritable almost by definition and don't take an awful lot of pushing before they'll come out with "just fuck off!" or something like that. It's one of the things I find most endearing about them :wub:

I just meant to illustrate by my experience that there is a difference between what's felt and what's shown, both in intensity and in nature, in all people.

I don't know you well enough to say anything about you personally, Tallulah, but I have known quite a few INTP's to come across as grouchy and often give an impression of being angry/mad at people and yet they claim they're totally not. I can't help suspecting that with Fe being inferior function, this thing where it says in many of the INTP profiles "the INTP is seldom aware of what they're feeling even when the rest of the world can be in little doubt", is relevant somewhere here. Either they're showing more emotion than they feel, or they're feeling (and showing) more emotion than they're aware of. Or something else...

But anyway... I was by no means trying to assert that because I'm a big ol' ball of passion, therefore everyone else is whether they show it or not. Hell, I know enough ISTJ's to know there are folks out there with no feelings :alttongue:

*hugs her Ti*

[Aimahn]

I think its more an issue if you want emotional closure or mental closure. Sympathy v empathy. I choose the latter a lot more often so I could understand why people who are more externally oriented and needing more of the former keying in on maybe some of the spillover and concluding that I'm angry.

In actuality though I'm probably a lot more mentally stable and what is observable might be a false impression of whats going on inside my head. Keying on some of the more biological reactions I have when Im more concerned with the more mental less tangible aspects of the issue. Those states aren't necessarily synergistic so making a conclusion based on that is misleading.

[substitute]

*hugs her Ti*

:rofl1:

Nah really, if only people could understand the concept of brainstorming, I wouldn't have to keep explaining opinions I don't have... LOL!

[Tallulah]

Well no that's not what I meant Tallulah... I didn't mean to say "because I have a lot of anger therefore everyone must and I don't believe anyone who says they don't".

Also, I did specifically mention INTJ's because an earlier post in this thread talked about how many INTJ's in the INTJ's and anger thread claimed never to feel anger - yet the INTJ's I know both in RL and here seem to be pretty pretty irritable almost by definition and don't take an awful lot of pushing before they'll come out with "just fuck off!" or something like that. It's one of the things I find most endearing about them :wub:

I just meant to illustrate by my experience that there is a difference between what's felt and what's shown, both in intensity and in nature, in all people.

I don't know you well enough to say anything about you personally, Tallulah, but I have known quite a few INTP's to come across as grouchy and often give an impression of being angry/mad at people and yet they claim they're totally not. I can't help suspecting that with Fe being inferior function, this thing where it says in many of the INTP profiles "the INTP is seldom aware of what they're feeling even when the rest of the world can be in little doubt", is relevant somewhere here. Either they're showing more emotion than they feel, or they're feeling (and showing) more emotion than they're aware of. Or something else...

But anyway... I was by no means trying to assert that because I'm a big ol' ball of passion, therefore everyone else is whether they show it or not. Hell, I know enough ISTJ's to know there are folks out there with no feelings :alttongue:

Well, we can definitely be irritable and grouchy--but a lot of the time, that's as far as it goes. People interrupting our inner worlds and asking us questions or making us adhere to stupid rules or whatever, just kind of makes us generally irritable. But I wouldn't call it anger.

I will say that it's true that we're not always aware of our emotions. A lot of the time, I'm not feeling much emotion at all, and other times, I feel a giant ball of tangled emotions that I can't identify. That's when I have to sort it all out and figure out what exactly is jamming up the machinery. :shock:

I just can't hold onto anger that long -- or most emotions, for that matter. Even if I want to hold onto them, they just diffuse whether I want them to or not.

Although I really hate it when people ask me about 'being so upset' when the 'upset' is so long gone that I can't even remember what happened or what I was feeling or anything about what they're asking about at all.

Me, too. My emotions are very fleeting, and even when something triggers a strong, identifiable emotion and I kind of get into the groove of it, I can't maintain it. I'm on to the next thing.

If someone betrayed me, I'd probably maintain the hurt/anger for a while, but not really realize it until it got brought up again. It wouldn't be in the forefront of my mind.

[substitute]

I will say that it's true that we're not always aware of our emotions. A lot of the time, I'm not feeling much emotion at all, and other times, I feel a giant ball of tangled emotions that I can't identify. That's when I have to sort it all out and figure out what exactly is jamming up the machinery. :shock:

Now, see - that's me as well to a very large extent. But what I mean is that when I actually DO get to the spanner in the works (usually requiring professional help), it turns out invariably to BE unacknowledged anger! So I've been getting better at acknowledging it...

But yeah, anyway my Ti ain't working today, so I'm gonna STFU in this thread, I think... Ne's taking me prisoner! :laugh:

[Anja]

I think most all types are capable of not outwardly expressing anger for one of several reasons.

1) They don't recognize it.
2) They don't know what to do with it.
3) They place a negative value judgement on it.

[substitute]

Can we cross reference this thread with the 'How E's think' one plz?
Cos like, see above for example of externalized thinking process...:doh:

[animenagai]

Can we cross reference this thread with the 'How E's think' one plz?
Cos like, see above for example of externalized thinking process...:doh:

i think they're 2 different topics. one is about emotions the other is about the thinking process itself.

[substitute]

i think they're 2 different topics. one is about emotions the other is about the thinking process itself.

well yeah but that's what cross-referencing is... when two different topics contain things that are pertinent to both :)

(did that get my advanced condescension diploma, sir?)

[animenagai]

well yeah but that's what cross-referencing is... when two different topics contain things that are pertinent to both :)

(did that get my advanced condescension diploma, sir?)

no you will never get that diploma. never! NEEEEVVVAAAAARRRRR!!!

[substitute]

no you will never get that diploma. never! NEEEEVVVAAAAARRRRR!!!

I think you'll find that sentences should begin with capital letters.

Shit, no, that's pedantry isn't it? :doh:

[animenagai]

I think you'll find that sentences should begin with capital letters.

Shit, no, that's pedantry isn't it? :doh:

grammarisforpussiesweareonaforum. :D

[bbites]

Hmm. I'm attracted to sad things definitely. I never thought it said much about my character though. I get pretty angry sometimes but if I try to express my anger I just end up a sputtering idiot so I usually fume over it alone.

[aguanile]

Oh yes, I was just telling someone yesterday how much I looove sad things.

I think it makes me feel more connected to life, more alive to experience sadness.

But I like it in the same way that I like rollercoasters. You feel that fear when you are riding, but in reality, you know that you are pretty much safe and you can walk away unscathed. But the rush that comes from that intense emotion is amazing.

That's why I listen to sad songs and my favorite movies tend to be drama/tragedy.

Thought I was the only one. Thanks forum for dispelling that thought.

[EJCC]

I hate it when the tests ask if you like going to parties or being around lots of people. Extraversion isn't about that, dammit! It's about being externally oriented towards the object; it's about needing to externalize your shit in order to sort through and deal with it. You can do that with just one person, you don't need a party. And there are a lot of E's who don't like parties - and I know an ISTP who never misses one. I'd say a fairer question would be "how often do you feel a need or desire to talk to someone face to face?" or "what percentage of your time would you ideally spend in company with others?" Cos the way they're usually phrased makes a lot of E's think they're I's and possibly vice versa. And it makes a lot of I's assume that just because I'm an E, I'm automatically totally at ease with all people, any people, in any numbers, anywhere. Gah!!

ANYWAY, i think it's pretty obvious that, given what I just said above, about E's needing to externalize, we're gonna seem more emotional than I's, since whatever they do feel they keep to themselves, whilst we externalize it - that of it which we acknowledge or entertain, that is.

Do you think E types are more prone to ranting? :) (Trust me, Sub, I do it just as much as you do. I mean that in a total non-teasing way.)

To continue, I totally agree. Not all E's are social butterflies. I, for instance, am a pretty antisocial person sometimes, and not as comfortable meeting new people (cough fear of change cough), which is why I scored pretty low on E every time I took the test. But if the test questions were like "Does meeting new people really boost your mood?" or "Does socializing energize you? Does it drain you?", then I'd be way more of an E.... and then there's always the mindless ranting, and foot-in-mouth moments, and "Oh jeez did I just say that out loud?"s... :)

Back to the OP, though: If being an E makes you more emotional, then I have an internal conflict of sorts: Whenever I have strong emotions, I'm very expressive about it physically, even when I don't mean to... but then I feel embarrassed about it. I tend to have emotion guilt (Te-related?). But, of course, this only happens with negative emotion. When I'm really excited, I'm not afraid to show it. I don't care who's around - I WILL do my happy dance!! :banana:

EDIT: One last thing - Sometimes I'll seem like I'm really mad even when I don't mean to, just because I tend to exaggerate my frustration about certain situations for the sake of good storytelling, and then act it out too realistically... and then I have to backpedal and say "It's really not a big deal!"