INFJ 6

[entropie]

When is love love ?

I guess that is one of the fundamental questions in life to everyone..

Do you think the same, I do ? An Enneagram 6 that is INFJ is jackpot ?!

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INFJ are the bomb. :D

My power, my pleasure, my pain

[entropie]

my heart, my inspiration, my pain :D

damn right

[entropie]

It says, apocalypse now, the type 6 is reigned by fear. By fear to accomplish anything. The more I dig into this, the more things became clear. It's just a totally new experience to dig into someones life that is actually not yours :D
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Apocalypse Now Typ SECHS

Das Zentrum des Kopf-Raumes ist Typ SECHS. Es ist wichtig zu erkennen, daß die Basis der Furcht im Kopf liegt. Die meisten denken wahrscheinlich, daß Furcht etwas Emotionales ist. Aber Angst-Typen werden von endlosen apokalyptischen Denkmustern regiert, was alles schiefgehen könnte.



Autoritäten Ihre Sünde läßt sich am besten als Ängstlichkeit beschreiben. In ihrem Kopf befindet sich ein endloser Strom von Ängstlichkeit. Jemand hat ihnen früh in ihrem Leben gesagt, sie dürften sich nicht selbst vertrauen. Deshalb sind sie im Blick auf gesundes Selbstvertrauen sehr unsicher. Sie haben das Gefühl: Ich sollte jemandem vertrauen, der gescheiter ist als ich. Und deshalb suchen sie nach einer Autorität, der sie vertrauen können. Sie sind Denktypen, die lieber denken, lassen als selbst zu denken. Aber man muß ihnen immer wieder sagen, daß sie sich selbst vertrauen dürfen und müssen. Man muß das einer SECHS jeden Tag sagen.


Fürchte dich nicht! Leider haben die Kirchen bis heute auf die Energie der SECHS gesetzt und gebaut, ebenso wie Politiker und das Militär. Man schätzt, daß in der westlichen Welt die Hälfte der Bevölkerung SECHSer sind. Dieser Typ nimmt viele Formen und Gestalten an. Und es ist kein Zufall, daß ein Satz häufiger in der Bibel steht als alle anderen: Fürchte dich nicht! Fürchtet euch nicht!" Trotzdem hat die Kirche den Menschen Angst gemacht und ihnen gesagt: Fürchtet euch!" In der katholischen Kirche hieß das: "Trau dir nicht selbst, trau dem Papst!" Die Protestanten haben gesagt: "Trau dir nicht selbst, lies die Bibel!"


Sicherheit Auf diese Weise haben beide Fundamentalismus produziert, der ganz und gar im Kopf angesiedelt ist und reine unerlöste SECHSer-Energie spiegelt. Dazu gehört eine Ansammlung von kleinen stehenden Redewendungen, die die Wirklichkeit erklären, um der Wirklichkeit nicht begegnen zu müssen. Die SECHS hat ein übertriebenes Sicherheitsbedürfnis.


Stille Diener Gleichzeitig sind SECHSer der "Klebstoff" der Welt. Sie sind die arbeitenden Massen. Sie haben keinen Ehrgeiz, und es reicht ihnen, Handlanger zu sein. Das, woran sie glauben - was immer es ist - werden sie unter allen Umständen schützen und stützen. Sie sind loyale Dienerinnen und Diener der Sache, an die sie glauben. Sie fordern auch keine besondere Anerkennung. Sie haben keine Ambitionen. SECHSer halten alle Institutionen dieser Welt zusammen. Sie sind die stillen und beflissenen Diener, die tun, was man ihnen sagt.


Ko-Abhängigkeit Und genauso, wie alle anderendie ZWEIer ausnützen, nützen sie ebenso die SECHSer aus. Andere bauen auf ihre Angst, weil sie wissen, daß SECHSer das Bedürfnis haben zu gehorchen. Deshalb müssen auch andere sich aus der Ko-Abhängigkeit von den SECHSern lösen, obwohl sich gerade Politiker, die Kirche und das Militär gerne dieser Energie bedienen.


Falsche Loyalität Oliver North, der Mann, der das Geld der amerikanischen Regierung umgeleitet hat, um die Contras in Nicaragua zu finanzieren, sagte bei seinem Prozeß: "Wenn mein Vorgesetzter sagt ich soll einen Kopfstand machen, dann mache ich einen Kopfstand." Es handelt sich um falsche Loyalität um falschen Mut.


Mut und Zuversicht In der erlösten SECHS hingegen begegnet uns ein Mensch, der im besten Sinne des Wortes mutig und zuverlässig ist. Deswegen ist es wichtig, daß die SECHS etwas findet, was Treue und Loyalität verdient.


Der gute Deutsche Enneagramm-Kenner beschreiben Deutschland als SECHSer-Land. Das bedeutet natürlich nicht, daß alle Deutschen SECHSer sind. Aber es bedeutet, daß die SECHSer-Energie in diesem Land und in seiner Geschichte wertgeschätzt und unterstützt worden ist. Und vielleicht wird man in Deutschland noch immer belohnt und als gute Deutsche oder guter Deutscher angesehen, wenn man eine SECHS ist. Deshalb ist es wahrscheinlich für alle Deutschen sehr wichtig, sich die Energie der SECHS ganz gründlich anzusehen.


Klebstoff der Welt Es ist sehr wichtig, die Züge der erlösten SECHS zu entdecken. Andere müssen Menschen sehen, die die erlöste Seite der SECHS leben, damit sie erkennen können, was mit dem unerlösten Teil nicht stimmt. Eine erlöste SECHS ist der zuverlässigste und vertrauenswürdigste Freund. Und solche Menschen kann die Welt brauchen! Vielleicht ist das sogar der Grund, weshalb Gott so viele SECHSer geschaffen hat. Die anderen würden alle immer nur die eigenen Interessen verfolgen. SECHSer sind der Klebstoff, weil sie das Ganze zusammenhalten.

[entropie]

I guess I have a lot to learn about this special being. I am for the first time in my life at the point, when I think about caring about someone else besides me. That IS confusing and new, therefore confusing, but it is new.

And that's why I like it

[entropie]

I am going to go to mock her politely, when I can again, to post on the MBTI. She is french and she speaks english only under pressure. I will give my best, maybe someday, you will get her to now aswell. At least she already signed up with "Yvette" and holds an arcade championship :D

[sciski]

:) Nice work!

But INFJ 6 sounds extremely rare... could she be ISFJ?

[entropie]

no way, my mum is ISFJ, they dislike each other but everytime they meet, they learn something new. That is intresting too

[entropie]

She is jackpot, definitly rare. Concerning her history, I am glad she is still alive

[sciski]

no way, my mum is ISFJ, they dislike each other but everytime they meet, they learn something new. That is intresting too

Well that is good (the learning something new each time they meet). I'm sure in time they will like each other a lot. :-) ISFJs and INFJs have similar goals, so that will help them.

[entropie]

:) would be great

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no way, my mum is ISFJ, they dislike each other but everytime they meet, ...

She must be the one then! :D

[sciski]

As for your question, when is love, love?

I guess I have a lot to learn about this special being. I am for the first time in my life at the point, when I think about caring about someone else besides me.

That would be one of the indicators. :)

[entropie]

Brilliant conclusion :D

[sciski]

She must be the one then! :D

Haha, yes!

Mums can detect when someone is a serious threat... :D

[entropie]

wait, you are not portraying me as a serious threat here are you ? I would be flattered in a way :D

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^ lol, I think she means serious threat to Mama losing precious baby boy!

[entropie]

But I am going to go to going to go to bed no, 10:26 am here and I havent slept for 36 hours. At east not slept straight in one piece. I felt the last time I slept a disturbance in the force. Now I am going to worship the force on its full in bed :).

Thanks for your comments on a senseless OP. Comments like these make me feel, I am not alone, when it comes to commenting on senselessness :D.

gn8 sciski
gn8 heart, I heart you :)

[sciski]

^ lol, I think she means serious threat to Mama losing precious baby boy!

:yes:

As a small aside, my ESFJ sister was super-nice to my brother's girlfriend... until they got engaged. Then suddenly, :eek:


Hehe, good night. I like posts where people are being all sweet on someone. :)

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:yes:

As a small aside, my ESFJ sister was super-nice to my brother's girlfriend... until they got engaged. Then suddenly, :eek:

I've seen the same thing happen twice! Once with a ESFJ and once with a ESxP.


Hehe, good night. I like posts where people are being all sweet on someone. :)


Good nite to you both. :)

[Dwigie]

INFJ 6-5 tied(well last time I checked) reporting: not sure about us being a jackpot.. sometimes it's better not to have the paranoid rain on people's parades:
- Have you ever considered the consequences?
- And what makes you think that is going to work?
- Be careful(we use that phrase so often!)You're going to fall over there!Get back here!(we often sound like people's moms for some reason)

I'm sure most 6 can relate to this: "I very much think...almost like an animal, anyone can turn against me anytime and anywhere so I must do everything I can to protect myself(and people I care about).Any "potential" threats must be eliminated,neutralized or isolated.(hm I sound like I'm on a manhunt but yeah seriously o.O that is what a 6 mindset is like...I think")

[Little Linguist]

I guess I have a lot to learn about this special being. I am for the first time in my life at the point, when I think about caring about someone else besides me. That IS confusing and new, therefore confusing, but it is new.

And that's why I like it

:D That's a good sign that you might just be beginning to love her. :hug: Congratulations!!!!

[entropie]

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She was casted for a television spot and went through with it. Today she told me, someone asked her on the street, if she wasnt that girl from the TV spot. She replied: "That is the dumbest attempt to get sex from me, I have ever had".

Yeah BAM, in your face :D

[vince]

I'm an INFJ 6w & I'm a love guru :D (j/k)
not to mention psychic.
too weird to live, too rare to die.

[vince]

- Have you ever considered the consequences?
- And what makes you think that is going to work?
- Be careful(we use that phrase so often!)You're going to fall over there!Get back here!(we often sound like people's moms for some reason)


That sums it up quite nicely. People usually don't listen and fall anyway :doh:
I hate to be right all the time, but seriously I am. We'd all be living peacefully in golden palaces by now, so to speak, if we ruled the world.

[entropie]

That sums it up quite nicely. People usually don't listen and fall anyway :doh:
I hate to be right all the time, but seriously I am. We'd all be living peacefully in golden palaces by now, so to speak, if we ruled the world.

yeah, everyone in his own, with bars at the front door :D

[vince]

yeah, everyone in his own, with bars at the front door :D

haha yeah ! Touché.

I don't know if it's a INFJ 6w thing but I happen to be the biggest philantropist and misanthrope, all at the same time. I think my friends would concur.
Also unsure about it being an INFJ 6w thing, but I, for start, am very intense when I'm in love. I'm very intense about everything anyway. Which is why people generally seem to either love or hate me.
I've wondered about other INFJ 6w types myself. I do think we're rare. I can't think of anyone remotely like me, for better or worse.

So how is that love-thing going for you ? did it bite you in the ass already ? :D

[Dwigie]

Oh I get the same but mostly the majority of them don't know anything about me. Yeah I don't know a lot of people who are like me except my friend but she's probably ISFP or ISFJ like my mother.
People either think I'm really tough or think I'm "so cute". It disturbs me sometimes and I try to think about what could have made think of me this way.
I hesitated between this and 4 but I'm much more paranoid than I am sensitive (although they kind of go hand in hand). :P

[vince]

People either think I'm really tough or think I'm "so cute". It disturbs me sometimes and I try to think about what could have made think of me this way.


That's also very familiar! I don't wonder anymore about what I could have possibly said or done. Maybe people are biased and maybe that's all there is to it.
At first sight, to some people I come across as cute too, others think I'm scary or tough. Some people don't think anything at all. If I would place any importance on that, what would that make me ? The meanest teddybear out there ?


I hesitated between this and 4 but I'm much more paranoid than I am sensitive (although they kind of go hand in hand). :P


Absolutely. I'm convinced that sensitivity is a quality.
Even paranoia serves a purpose imho. The obvious being increased chances of survival.
There's a thin line indeed between sensitivity and paranoia, just as there is a thin line between paranoia and psychosis (or even brilliance and madness). I wouldn't want it any other way. You just have to be aware of that.

[entropie]

I don't know if it's a INFJ 6w thing but I happen to be the biggest philantropist and misanthrope, all at the same time. I think my friends would concur.


That is really an intresting and probably the thing that fascinates me most about my INFJ 6.

She is very intrested in something I would call "medical psychology" (Dont know the right term). She likes and actually is able to see psychic disturbances within the human brain and she can describe them by talking about the symptons. It's fascinating, even sometimes frightening. She is a empathetical listener and she has a knack for getting to know people that have slight malfunctions within the brain (that is why she has got to know me obviously :D).

That would make her, normally, one of the most favourable, nice and warm persons on the world. But then there is misanthropy. I myself am misanthropic about most people here, where I live and so two souls meet. She can be in no ways warm and nice, she can be attacking, unpredictable and she fights for her position. I think in the long run, it is a self-protection system against those things she sees within the human brain.

What is even more astounding, is the fact that she never unloaded her misanthrophy against me. It's like I am the backbone of the system, she trusts me, what gives me a godlike feeling of loyality in our relationship. I am actually someone she takes advice from and I guess there are only 2 or 3 people, who can actually give her advice and I am not one of them by the means of knowledge.

That godlike feeling I described is really the baseline in our relationship, which the drummer plays and the ship goes to war. It is something I have never experienced in a girl and it is the thing that made our relationship based on love, feelings and admirable discussions, to something I would consider to take further to marriage. :)

[Dwigie]

That is really an intresting and probably the thing that fascinates me most about my INFJ 6.

She is very intrested in something I would call "medical psychology" (Dont know the right term). She likes and actually is able to see psychic disturbances within the human brain and she can describe them by talking about the symptons. It's fascinating, even sometimes frightening. She is a empathetical listener and she has a knack for getting to know people that have slight malfunctions within the brain (that is why she has got to know me obviously :D).

That would make her, normally, one of the most favourable, nice and warm persons on the world. But then there is misanthropy. I myself am misanthropic about most people here, where I live and so two souls meet. She can be in no ways warm and nice, she can be attacking, unpredictable and she fights for her position. I think in the long run, it is a self-protection system against those things she sees within the human brain.

What is even more astounding, is the fact that she never unloaded her misanthrophy against me. It's like I am the backbone of the system, she trusts me, what gives me a godlike feeling of loyality in our relationship. I am actually someone she takes advice from and I guess there are only 2 or 3 people, who can actually give her advice and I am not one of them by the means of knowledge.

That godlike feeling I described is really the baseline in our relationship, which the drummer plays and the ship goes to war. It is something I have never experienced in a girl and it is the thing that made our relationship based on love, feelings and admirable discussions, to something I would consider to take further to marriage. :)

:heart::wubbie:!
Good luck my friend, good luck with that.
(Yeah we do that trust thing, I didn't know exactly what misanthrope meant so I didn't answer :ninja:, shame on me ,I know. I can completely relate to that philanthropist vs misanthropist thing although I wouldn't consider myself that "skilled".)

[Silently Honest]

I think Kiddo was a 6...

[vince]

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It is something I have never experienced in a girl and it is the thing that made our relationship based on love, feelings and admirable discussions, to something I would consider to take further to marriage. :)

:nice: good luck with that ! An ENTP and an INFJ sounds like a very, very good match imo.

Very interesting to read about that "medical psychology" you mentioned. I wonder if she would call it that -or if it's your T speaking ? The same goes for the words "abnormalities in the brain". These seem like oddly clinical terms for an INFJ. I think INFJs use a way more abstract approach. I definitely have a hunch what you mean, based on my own experience. I consider myself a natural psychologist, eventhough I'm employed in IT. I have a personal talent to spot behavioral motives in people. Something which can make people rather uncomfortable around me -or very comfortable as well since I'm also a good listener and advisor based on the same talent. I'm instantly aware of it, when people are bothered by something. And in many situations I've tought that I understood their problem better than they do themselves. I can also smell dishonesty or poseurs from miles away.
I think what I've just mentioned is an INFJ thing in general. Not particulary 6w.