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BryNTP
10-09-2008, 04:07 PM
Rank your top 3 most important issues for the upcoming election and who you are planning on voting for based solely on those top issues. I might add a poll when I see enough of the same issues over and over again, but it would have to be just your top issue.

IlyaK1986
10-09-2008, 04:12 PM
1) Economy
2) Energy Independence
3) When we get out of the mideast.

proteanmix
10-09-2008, 04:52 PM
I have another question to add:

Why are people more concerned with national politics which have less appreciable consequences on their daily life than with their local politics?

I just looked at my ballot and found out who was running for my county council, state delegates, and district judges last week. I can barely find any information on any of them.

Jennifer
10-09-2008, 04:54 PM
1. Economy
2. Energy
3. Education

Why are people more concerned with national politics which have less appreciable consequences on their daily life than with their local politics?

QFT.

Udog
10-09-2008, 05:43 PM
1. Economy.
2. Education.
3. Foreign Affairs.

Why are people more concerned with national politics which have less appreciable consequences on their daily life than with their local politics

It takes actual effort to find that information out, and any information you find tends to be a bit more dry and less entertaining. The Rush Limbaughs and John Stewarts of the world don't discuss them.

ygolo
10-09-2008, 05:52 PM
1. Executive competence (the ability to chose the right people to posts that will make the government work effectively and efficiently).
2. Executive Focus (on the Economy, National Security, and Energy independence.)
3. A leader people will follow.

INTJMom
10-09-2008, 06:09 PM
1) Economy
2) Energy Independence
3) When we get out of the mideast.
Me, too.

Jack Flak
10-09-2008, 06:21 PM
1. Freedom, and most specifically
2. teh 2nd mendment
3. Economic Policy (Low Tax, Low Spending Ideally)

ajblaise
10-09-2008, 06:23 PM
From another thread..

1.) Economy.
2.) The progression of alternative energy and technology in general.
3.) Foreign relations.

millerm277
10-09-2008, 06:53 PM
1. Repeal of the Patriot Act and associated laws.
2. Renewable Energy.
3. Getting us out of the Middle East.

pure_mercury
10-09-2008, 07:00 PM
1. getting out of Iraq
2. lower taxes/lower spending/balanced budget
3. respecting civil liberties

lowtech redneck
10-09-2008, 08:30 PM
I have another question to add:

Why are people more concerned with national politics which have less appreciable consequences on their daily life than with their local politics?

I just looked at my ballot and found out who was running for my county council, state delegates, and district judges last week. I can barely find any information on any of them.

The broad interpretation of the commerce-clause and associated degredation of the 10th amendment plays a huge factor in that, I think. There is also the matter of "voter fatigue", which seems to affect the electorate of any country with large numbers of elections and elected offices. Finally, we have a highly mobile population (leading to less interests in local politics-you expect to move on at some point), and local media has limited resources, hurting its ability to compete against larger competitors that focus on Washington. A combination of all these factors, and probably a few I'm overlooking.

pure_mercury
10-09-2008, 08:34 PM
The broad interpretation of the commerce-clause and associated degredation of the 10th amendment plays a huge factor in that, I think. There is also the matter of "voter fatigue", which seems to affect the electorate of any country with large numbers of elections and elected offices. Finally, we have a highly mobile population (leading to less interests in local politics-you expect to move on at some point), and local media has limited resources, hurting its ability to compete against larger competitors that focus on Washington. A combination of all these factors, and probably a few I'm overlooking.

Also, my local government doesn't have an income tax, nor does it start wars nor does it have a Supreme Court interpreting the U.S. Constitution. The federal government is so large and activist nowadays that it makes the guy down the street who fixes parking tickets and schedules the trash pickup seem not so important. Also, local government is heinously corrupt in a lot of areas. That has to alienate people.

lowtech redneck
10-09-2008, 08:52 PM
The federal government is so large and activist nowadays that it makes the guy down the street who fixes parking tickets and schedules the trash pickup seem not so important.

Its the expansion of the commerce-clause and degredation of the 10th amendment that enables the national government to be so activist.

ThePenIsMightier
10-09-2008, 09:08 PM
1. Financial Situation
This isn't something that was unforseeable, I've been worried about this since early 2007 and I'm behind the curve for a good number of people. The next administration has to have a serious understanding of what is driving this and try to be pragmatic as possible to make it better. I know this isn't an easy fix and I don't expect either man's administration to be able to make it go away. Handle it the best way though, we'll get out of it sooner or at least with less crippling losses.

2. Balanced Budget
Any steps are good, but as a young person I want some focus on balancing the budget and paying off some of our debt. If this continues, my generation and my children's are going to be stuck paying off the bill. At least if we get to work on it now, hopefully it won't be as bad. I'm not expecting either one of them to, it's just a question of who will do a better job with it.

3. Energy
Energy independance is a pipe dream, but there is a great need to restructure the way we power the country. Wind farms, solar farms (and soon panels on roofs), nuclear, coal, and biodesiel should all be on the table and implimented as possible.

proteanmix
10-09-2008, 09:31 PM
Also, my local government doesn't have an income tax, nor does it start wars nor does it have a Supreme Court interpreting the U.S. Constitution. The federal government is so large and activist nowadays that it makes the guy down the street who fixes parking tickets and schedules the trash pickup seem not so important. Also, local government is heinously corrupt in a lot of areas. That has to alienate people.

But you have state tax, and if you live in a city then you may also have city tax. Those taxes affect the quality of local school districts. You have local roads that need to be maintained, local business (mom and pop vs. Walmart). The feds aren't going to get a grocery store in my neighborhood so I don't have to drive 20 miles to the nearest one. The feds aren't going to make sure my city or county has smoking bans or living wages, attend to local housing violations, nor do I call the FBI when my house is robbed. These things (and lots more) are all under the city, county, and state governments.

Corruption in local governments seems like even more reason them to be heavily scrutinize. Corruption at the national level doesn't deter people from anything so why should it at the local level?

By no means do I think local politics are more important that national, but people seem very ignorant of what's happening within a 50 mile radius of their home. And don't most of our national politicians start as local politicians? If they're corrupt when they're on the city council do you think they're going to suddenly have a change of heart when they're senator or vice president?

kelric
10-10-2008, 01:03 AM
Rank your top 3 most important issues for the upcoming election and who you are planning on voting for based solely on those top issues. I might add a poll when I see enough of the same issues over and over again, but it would have to be just your top issue.

Hmm - top three would have to be:

1. Reduction in corruption/cronyism/constitutional degradation
2. Energy Independence
3. Fiscal responsibility - I'm all in favor of government programs for health care, etc. - but they need to be paid for. Efficiency is the name of the game, and I'm NOT one of those who just assumes that private industry is more efficient. Yes, I'm very willing to admit I see a lot of good things in more social programs (call me a socialist, that's okay).

There are a lot of other things that grow from those - getting out of Iraq (or, at least, ditching the "we'll go it alone" plan), trying to earn some respect back in the world community, etc.

On a federal level, I'll be voting for Obama. I'm not sure he'll be one to address my issues, but I *am* sure that he'll do a better job than McCain of representing my interests. Emphasis on "better", not "good". Time will (hopefully) tell for that. Eight years ago, I'd have eagerly voted for McCain - but not now.

pure_mercury
10-10-2008, 01:08 AM
But you have state tax, and if you live in a city then you may also have city tax. Those taxes affect the quality of local school districts. You have local roads that need to be maintained, local business (mom and pop vs. Walmart). The feds aren't going to get a grocery store in my neighborhood so I don't have to drive 20 miles to the nearest one. The feds aren't going to make sure my city or county has smoking bans or living wages, attend to local housing violations, nor do I call the FBI when my house is robbed. These things (and lots more) are all under the city, county, and state governments.

Funny, I don't want the local government to do ANY of those things except for having a police force. No deciding where grocery stores should be, no smoking bans, no living/prevailing/minimum wage laws, no zoning laws. I don't want any level of government doing that stuff, frankly.


Corruption in local governments seems like even more reason them to be heavily scrutinize. Corruption at the national level doesn't deter people from anything so why should it at the local level?

Preaching to the choir here, but federal corruption is so removed from people's daily lives that they can ignore it. They don't ignore the war or the economy, though. And I think corruption and a lack of viable alternatives does deter some people at the federal level.


By no means do I think local politics are more important that national, but people seem very ignorant of what's happening within a 50 mile radius of their home. And don't most of our national politicians start as local politicians? If they're corrupt when they're on the city council do you think they're going to suddenly have a change of heart when they're senator or vice president?

No, not at all, and I never said that was true. It's just that local governments (especially in major Eastern cities or in small rural townships) get away with so much that it disgusts me. The best you can hope for is an enterprising TV investigative reporter, because major newspapers and cable news networks rarely go after small town corruption. Usually, they cover it when the mayor of Camden (for instance) finally gets arrested and gets on the affiliate's local news, not when the shady activity is actually happening.

Eileen
10-10-2008, 01:34 AM
1. Economy
2. Education
3. Energy

AllAboutSoul
10-10-2008, 03:45 AM
1. Economy
2. Energy Independence
3. Upholding the Constitution and The Bill of Rights

EJCC
10-10-2008, 06:01 AM
1. The environment/alternative energy/energy independence/ending our addiction to oil

2. The economy/national debt

3. Education/paying teachers better wages/helping kids pay for college

TenebrousReflection
10-11-2008, 03:48 AM
Rank your top 3 most important issues for the upcoming election and who you are planning on voting for based solely on those top issues. I might add a poll when I see enough of the same issues over and over again, but it would have to be just your top issue.

1) Civil Liberties
2) Health Care
3) Development of renewable energy

I don't trust McCain to act in my interests on any of those so that makes my choice fairly clear. If I thought Nader or Paul would actually have a shot, then maybe I'd vote for one of them, overall I do like Obama and Biden and their views on most things, but Obama's vote for the FISA bill makes me less comoftable than I'd like to be about how much he actualy values my primary issue, but at least I think he will be more motivated to pursue renewable energy as a priority and McCain's ideas on healthcare do not seem any better than what we have now.

The economy and education are also important to me, but would be ranked 4 and 5 repectivly and on both of those. I think the green new deal idea that Obama has hinted at could be a viable path toward economic recovery. I like that Obama seems concerened about Education, but his big push saying we need mroe focus on "math and science" concerns me, no no no!, we need more emphisis on helping kids discover what they are good at as individuals and encouraging their growth on a path thats right for them (and for some that will be math and science) not this same old force kids to learn what we think they should learn approach! If you foce kids to take classes they don't care about, they are not going to get much out of it, and putting them in those classes takes time away from them potentialy learnign things they could excell at and get motivated about.

kyuuei
10-11-2008, 06:19 AM
My three.. are what my local runners plan on doing, what our state runners plan on doing, and the war efforts for the national level.

563 740
10-11-2008, 11:23 PM
1. Not having PTSD
2. ...
3. ...

Eileen
10-16-2008, 02:58 PM
1. Economy
2. Education
3. Energy

Man--about education, since I labeled it my #2 concern. Why on earth would it be a good idea to have someone bypass certification just because they're war veterans? What. The. Fuck. Lateral entry teaching is already kind of a stupid idea... not always a disaster, but often enough that I think it's fucking retarded that someone would suggest that we just let the veterans go teach because they're veterans and not because they're HIGHLY QUALIFIED.

Oberon
10-16-2008, 03:41 PM
Lateral entry teaching is already kind of a stupid idea...

Yeah... other industries don't make them drink the Kool-Aid.

Eileen
10-16-2008, 08:54 PM
Yeah... other industries don't make them drink the Kool-Aid.

I don't think it's really about the kool aid. There is kool aid, to be sure, but the problem with LE is that teachers are thrown into classrooms (or throw themselves into classrooms) with no prior education in pedagogy. As such, students have crappy teachers who have never been taught what a good lesson plan looks like. Just because you can do math doesn't mean you can teach it.

Midget
10-17-2008, 08:45 AM
1 - Energy Independence
2 - The Economy
3 - Exiting the Middle East
4 - Health Care
5 - Joe The Plumber! :p