Linux?

[nolla]

I like my Ubuntu :smile: Has anyone else dumped Micro$oft?

[YourLocalJesus]

Ubuntu sucks... Gentoo! But Linux is to complicated and outdated in my opinion. Probably easier for someone who is a real geek, but I don't have the patience for it.

[nolla]

Im no geek. But that's why I like ubuntu, since it keeps update. Much better than the illegal windows i never dared to update in case they are spying.

[YourLocalJesus]

Dude... There are probably a hundred million illegal copies of windows out there. I'm like the only one I know who don't have a bloody bootleg.

[nolla]

But I am paranoid, since I'm not geeky enough to know what they can and cant do... :ninja:

[EvanTheClown]

I have a copy of damnsmalllinux and i've been thinking of dual-partitioning with it, or downloading ubuntu, which has been my favorite variety of linux.

As long as I dont have to mess with the vi editor, I like linux.
lowercase b for "back one word"
capital W for "forward one word"
0 for "beginning of current line"
$ for "end of current line"
x for "delete the next character"

God damn, just use simple things like backspace.
I'll stick to programming in Visual Studio or Notepad. :P. Go windows?

[Lucifer]

Dude, you have a legal copy too ? Wow, we are probably single handedly keeping microsoft afloat, because I don't know anyone else with a legal copy of windows.

[nolla]

Oh, siht, I should have made the poll about legal windows copies.

[Jeffster]

Nope, I've got Mac OSX 10.4.

[6sticks]

Why use linux?

[millerm277]

But I am paranoid, since I'm not geeky enough to know what they can and cant do... :ninja:

Answer...Nothing! Two things, and you'll be set...Turn automatic updates to "Notify but don't download or install". Download whatever updates you want, except "WGA Notifications." There's your updates with a cracked copy of windows. (There are ways to use normal "Windows Update", but it requires more effort.)

If you try to access the windows update site and your windows isn't "genuine", all that happens is that it says "Windows is not genuine." There is no penalty, or other problem.

I use Windows for my main machines. Linux is on my router and server, along with my netbook. (Small, cheap laptop)

[kelric]

Not recently. I've tried it on two or three occasions over the years, and although it wasn't bad, and there were a ton of options, it got to be just too much work to get the "simple" things to work correctly, if I could get them to work at all. Now it has been a few years since I last tried it, and I know that there have been improvements, but I decided to get a Mac this spring, and I've been pretty happy with it, so I doubt I'll be looking at Linux again, at least for a few years.

[Bella]

Ubuntu!
It's a Zulu word!

[Uberfuhrer]

Exactly what do people do with Linux? There is considerably less software that supports the operating system.

[nolla]

Exactly what do people do with Linux? There is considerably less software that supports the operating system.

I do the normal stuff. Browse the net, and so on.. Plus graphics. Vectors, digipainting with wacom. Lately I have been trying to learn use a 3d software. All works for me. The things I cant get on ubuntu are:

1) Good video edit software. (the ones I found have some very essential stuff missing)

2) Compositing software (to replace after effects)

The absence of compositing software is real problem for me so I have to keep windows installed even if I dont use it for anything else.

The main reason "why" I use it is because it is free and because I like the "philosophy" that people all around the world collaborate in making it better all the time.

Not recently. I've tried it on two or three occasions over the years, and although it wasn't bad, and there were a ton of options, it got to be just too much work to get the "simple" things to work correctly, if I could get them to work at all. Now it has been a few years since I last tried it, and I know that there have been improvements, but I decided to get a Mac this spring, and I've been pretty happy with it, so I doubt I'll be looking at Linux again, at least for a few years.

I also tried red hat something like five years ago. I was so frustrated I quit. But when I tried Ubuntu two years ago, it worked. After that I have slowly moved in more and more and at the moment I have no actual need for windows (other than the after effects). And during just these two years, Ubuntu has improved A LOT.

[Athenian200]

I've used it on some of my computers for a long time now. Although I still use Windows on one of them.

[whatever]

I had linux at one point- I hated it (all except for Super Tux- who can't love a rip off of Super Mario Bros. w/ a penguin?).

I kicked it's ass to the curb and went right back to the loving embrace of windows.

[animenagai]

yep, i jumped on board not long ago. i just get sick with windows. they are dirty, dirty businessmen trying to rip you off with a product that does not look out for your best interest. windows works wonders when you first get it, but sooner or later it gets destroyed by viruses, spyware and whatnot. those updates piss me off too. more often than not they just slow things down and fuck things up.

linux on the other hand is free from the chains of capitalism. it is open source and it's free. software will become bigger than businesses trying to make a quick buck, it should be a sharing, mutual gain concept. go e-marxism! :D

[nolla]

go e-marxism! :D

yay! :happy:

[spirilis]

<3 linux, been using it since... 1997? All my computers at home run it (Ubuntu), although I dual boot windows XP on my workstation in my room (and have XP running on a virtual machine on the downstairs linux router/server). It helps that I deal primarily with Linux at my workplace... (thus my work laptop also runs linux :D)

I personally hate Windows and everything Microsoft stands for with a passion. Microsoft could die and I would only cheer. Any software I've ever written has been released under the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html).

[JAVO]

<3 linux, been using it since... 1997? All my computers at home run it (Ubuntu), although I dual boot windows XP on my workstation in my room (and have XP running on a virtual machine on the downstairs linux router/server). It helps that I deal primarily with Linux at my workplace... (thus my work laptop also runs linux :D)

I personally hate Windows and everything Microsoft stands for with a passion. Microsoft could die and I would only cheer. Any software I've ever written has been released under the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html).

:worthy:


Although I use mostly Windows and Microsoft products at work (software development for huge non-profit place), I like Linux and the free software and open source idea, especially as for-profit software companies move toward time-limited licensing. I played with Red Hat 4 and 5 (when it was free) many years ago as a dual boot with Windows 98.

Recently I decided to give a few distros a try on an old Pentium II 400 MHz with 96 MB RAM and an 8 GB hard drive. Damn Small Linux (DSL) and Puppy Linux seemed like good options given this hardware, but I decided to see if I could get a full-weight distro working. The latest openSUSE (11) wouldn't run from a LiveCD, and an installation was more work since this machine was netless and openSUSE dropped install CD's in favor of a DVD's only. (The old DVD drive didn't support any of the DVD's I burned myself. I know I could've swapped a new one in temporarily, but meh.)

Next, I tried Ubuntu (with GNOME). GNOME was slow, and couldn't open some things due to low memory. I then downloaded the Xubuntu CD image and replaced GNOME with Xfce (without reinstalling the OS). (Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with Xfce installed by default.) This works much better, although it's still annoyingly slow on this ancient hardware. I also grabbed the Edubuntu iso for the kids, although we've yet to play with it. :)

[spirilis]

:worthy:


Although I use mostly Windows and Microsoft products at work (software development for huge non-profit place), I like Linux and the free software and open source idea, especially as for-profit software companies move toward time-limited licensing. I played with Red Hat 4 and 5 (when it was free) many years ago as a dual boot with Windows 98.

Recently I decided to give a few distros a try on an old Pentium II 400 MHz with 96 MB RAM and an 8 GB hard drive. Damn Small Linux (DSL) and Puppy Linux seemed like good options given this hardware, but I decided to see if I could get a full-weight distro working. The latest openSUSE (11) wouldn't run from a LiveCD, and an installation was more work since this machine was netless and openSUSE dropped install CD's in favor of a DVD's only. (The old DVD drive didn't support any of the DVD's I burned myself. I know I could've swapped a new one in temporarily, but meh.)

Next, I tried Ubuntu (with GNOME). GNOME was slow, and couldn't open some things due to low memory. I then downloaded the Xubuntu CD image and replaced GNOME with Xfce (without reinstalling the OS). (Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with Xfce installed by default.) This works much better, although it's still annoyingly slow on this ancient hardware. I also grabbed the Edubuntu iso for the kids, although we've yet to play with it. :)

Yeah the distros and apps have definitely grown/bloated with the HW, at least in the gui sense. Damn Small Linux worked well on an old Thinkpad I have (although recently it's goofed, but I believe it's HW-related... haven't bothered to check it in a while)

You might get a kick out of this: Look Ma, No ‘X’ | LinuxHaxor.net (http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/10/07/look-ma-no-x/)
Includes some kind of "console windowing manager" :D (I'm tempted to try it out!)

[nolla]

Next, I tried Ubuntu (with GNOME). GNOME was slow, and couldn't open some things due to low memory. I then downloaded the Xubuntu CD image and replaced GNOME with Xfce (without reinstalling the OS). (Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with Xfce installed by default.) This works much better, although it's still annoyingly slow on this ancient hardware. I also grabbed the Edubuntu iso for the kids, although we've yet to play with it. :)

I was on xubuntu too, but then I got a better machine from a friend. Anyways, one of the distros I tried with my poor old machine was Fluxbuntu (ubuntu with fluxbox) and it was very nice, but due to some minor problems that I had, I ditched it (I dont want to get a system that doesnt work perfectly to begin with). Maybe that might work for you?

Now I am on Ubuntu Studio.

You might get a kick out of this: Look Ma, No ‘X’ | LinuxHaxor.net (http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/10/07/look-ma-no-x/)
Includes some kind of "console windowing manager" :D (I'm tempted to try it out!)

:D that's a funny looking distro...

[Falcarius]

Falcarius has a dual boot of Ubuntu and XP. That said, he has not used Ubuntu much lately as he accidentally annihilated it some how. He is sort of procrastinating about putting it back on as he is lazy.

[mlittrell]

all OSs have their place. that being said...GO UBUNTU! i run hardy on my laptop and my one desktop, the other desktop just runs Reason 3...and thats it lol. btw, if you wanna run basically any windows app (except Reason of course) try a program called CrossOver...it's phenominal...eats WINE alive.

[Gish]

Several flavors of Linux, Solaris, Windows, and currently OSX 10.5 on my new Macbook, So far Windows and OSX are the most usable, OSX is more elegant though.

[JAVO]

You might get a kick out of this: Look Ma, No ‘X’ | LinuxHaxor.net (http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/10/07/look-ma-no-x/)
Includes some kind of "console windowing manager" :D (I'm tempted to try it out!)
That's both interesting and somewhat amusing. It looks a little too much like IBM mainframe CICS :cry: for me to actually try it though. :ninja:

I was on xubuntu too, but then I got a better machine from a friend. Anyways, one of the distros I tried with my poor old machine was Fluxbuntu (ubuntu with fluxbox) and it was very nice, but due to some minor problems that I had, I ditched it (I dont want to get a system that doesnt work perfectly to begin with). Maybe that might work for you?

Now I am on Ubuntu Studio.

Fluxbox is next on my list to try. :D

I hadn't heard of Ubuntu Studio. I definitely need that on my main home workstation! Thanks!

Next, I'm going to play with replacing the shell in XP. :unsure:

[sleeptowin]

I use my ubuntu for pretty much anything I used my windows for, except gaming. I record music, I browse the internet, etc... Though, the best part of linux is that if/when there's a problem, there's a way to solve it without just rebooting your computer and then waiting for that problem to happen again.

The only thing I can really complain on is that Linux doesn't have any support for those higher end sound cards.

[nolla]

I hadn't heard of Ubuntu Studio. I definitely need that on my main home workstation! Thanks!

The Studio is best for me of all the distros I tried. And, get this, it is OFFICIAL... That means good support.

[nolla]

BTW, notice how the NF people all have linux according to the poll. I would have thought that NTs are the more nerdy people.

[BryNTP]

I tried it on a very, very old laptop (think desktop size that folds). I couldn't get the drivers for the wi-fi to work and then lost interest. Mostly because the laptop was so old that the battery was shot and you had to always have it plugged in. I have a Sun station at work that I use occasionally, laptop on Windows XP and my wife has a Mac. I was really hoping to get that old laptop working so that I could have the quadfecta (?).

[JAVO]

I tried it on a very, very old laptop (think desktop size that folds).

Which distro were you trying?

This sounds like a job for DSL: DSL information (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/)

[bluemonday]

linux on the other hand is free from the chains of capitalism. it is open source and it's free. software will become bigger than businesses trying to make a quick buck, it should be a sharing, mutual gain concept. go e-marxism! :D

+1
Linux kicks ass.
Much faster/more stable than Windows for serious apps + customisable + easier to secure.

[Oleander]

It is annoying that various bits and pieces won't work or install on all Linux installations unless you know all the details to compile from source, but that's the roundabout that pays for the swings of versatility. What doesn't work on Windows or works badly, you don't hear about or have no idea it could be better. I admit to having some Linux installation sitting in my downloads folder because I don't know where it all wants to find its libraries and I don't want to put it all in its own folder, Windows fashion. Others (like Realplayer) say libraries are missing no matter how many links and copies I make to them. I know that is all Windows-induced laziness encouraging me to rely on the System to know it all and be afraid to investigate and work it out for myself - what an allegory of normal corporate control!

A couple of months ago, my regular Iceweasel (Firefox with licensing changes) browser handled Flash substitute. Now that crashes it. Upgrade change? Something I damaged? Don't know. Still, Epiphany works but does not do other things that Iceweasel does. That is always the Linux story, 90% when you know 100% should be possible, but with Windows, you do not know 100% possible so don't miss it.

With Windows too, what has happened to MuckySoft's upgrade site? I had to re-install my XP a couple of months ago and the upgrade pages are regular 404 ever since. Every time I run Media Player 9 it tells me upgrade is available but following the link up always tells me there is no page. I had WMP 11 on the old system. Why have they blocked updates? I've seen other complaints and added my own but of course no response.

[nolla]

It is annoying that various bits and pieces won't work or install on all Linux installations unless you know all the details to compile from source, but that's the roundabout that pays for the swings of versatility. What doesn't work on Windows or works badly, you don't hear about or have no idea it could be better. I admit to having some Linux installation sitting in my downloads folder because I don't know where it all wants to find its libraries and I don't want to put it all in its own folder, Windows fashion. Others (like Realplayer) say libraries are missing no matter how many links and copies I make to them. I know that is all Windows-induced laziness encouraging me to rely on the System to know it all and be afraid to investigate and work it out for myself - what an allegory of normal corporate control!


Yeah, this is why I very rarely install anything other than stuff with repositories. Synaptic is handy. I have no idea where that stuff goes.

[JAVO]

I upgraded hard drive space and decided to install a triple boot of Windows XP, Ubuntu 8.01 (Hardy Heron), and openSUSE 11.0.

Results so far:

Windows XP
works great, this install was cloned from the previous hard drive (a RAID 0 array... decided not to live on the edge anymore ;)).

Ubuntu
works great. I've installed both KDE 3.5 (Kubuntu) and the default GNOME. KDE has tons of options, but that actually started to annoy me, so I'm back to GNOME (a very easy switch). Numerous autoupdates and installs were done without any problems. I'm writing this post using Firefox/GNOME/Ubuntu. :yes:

openSUSE
I was using KDE 4. After the install, the autoupdater updated the boot of this OS into oblivion. :shocking: Now I get "File not found" when I try to boot into this. It may be an issue with the boot-related files, since I changed the boot configuration after the SUSE install when I installed Ubuntu. I haven't had the desire to investigate the issue yet.

[bluemonday]

^ you have a RAID 0 array for your home PC?
Poseur!
*jealous*

Multi-boots are more trouble than they're worth, IME.

Have you tried virtualization? Makes life easier if you can trash it all and start again, as long as you have the resources to make it feasible.

[spirilis]

haha raid0...

*has 4-disk RAID5 on his fileserver downstairs worth about 1TB, running ubuntu 7.10, and a 2-disk raid1 (500GB SATA) plus lone WD Raptor 10K-rpm SATA in his other server, the AMD Opteron with 4GB RAM which acts as a router & VMware server, running ubuntu 7.04*
Used to rock raid1 with my main workstation in my room, but I opted instead to buy an external SATA dock and just install separate O/S's on separate SATA disks and swap them when switching O/S. All my important data goes on the servers downstairs.
Think I need to do a nice O/S refresh on those servers though.

*quits showing off*

[bluemonday]

haha raid0...

*has 4-disk RAID5 on his fileserver downstairs worth about 1TB, running ubuntu 7.10, and a 2-disk raid1 (500GB SATA) plus lone WD Raptor 10K-rpm SATA in his other server, the AMD Opteron with 4GB RAM which acts as a router & VMware server, running ubuntu 7.04*
Used to rock raid1 with my main workstation in my room, but I opted instead to buy an external SATA dock and just install separate O/S's on separate SATA disks and swap them when switching O/S. All my important data goes on the servers downstairs.
Think I need to do a nice O/S refresh on those servers though.

*quits showing off*

Yeah, actually I was thinking of RAID 0+1. RAID 5 sucks.

I don't have anything I can't afford to lose. I like it that way.

[spirilis]

Yeah, actually I was thinking of RAID 0+1. RAID 5 sucks.

I don't have anything I can't afford to lose. I like it that way.
I have plenty of data I simply don't *want* to lose. Like umpteen gigs of mp3s, movies/TV shows, digital picture archives... etc. (Digital packrat, yeah, I know)

RAID5 doesn't suck, you just have to use it for the right reasons. It's more economical on space than RAID10 and still gives great read performance (just its write perf. sucks ass compared to raid10). At least, on any consumer-level RAID device. (Buy an EMC Symmetrix, for instance, and they claim RAID5's performance difference is negligible versus RAID10) I don't trust RAID10 any more than RAID5 to handle double-disk failures since RAID10 can fault on a double-disk failure in the right scenario; I'd use RAID6 if super-high-availability was my goal.

But for data protection, backups are the only solution :)

[bluemonday]

I have plenty of data I simply don't *want* to lose. Like umpteen gigs of mp3s, movies/TV shows, digital picture archives... etc. (Digital packrat, yeah, I know)

RAID5 doesn't suck, you just have to use it for the right reasons. It's more economical on space than RAID10 and still gives great read performance (just its write perf. sucks ass compared to raid10). At least, on any consumer-level RAID device. (Buy an EMC Symmetrix, for instance, and they claim RAID5's performance difference is negligible versus RAID10) I don't trust RAID10 any more than RAID5 to handle double-disk failures since RAID10 can fault on a double-disk failure in the right scenario; I'd use RAID6 if super-high-availability was my goal.

But for data protection, backups are the only solution :)
Yeah, I know, and I never back anything up.

Disks are so cheap nowadays, I wouldn't consider RAID5 for anything commercial and for personal use, most people's storage requirements aren't going to make RAID 0+1 much more expensive than 5 anyway.

Who is gonna buy an EMC Symmetrix for home use? You might as well buy a John Deere to do your lawn.

[spirilis]

Who is gonna buy an EMC Symmetrix for home use? You might as well buy a John Deere to do your lawn.

I dunno, but I'd like to see someone who has... that would be funny. I do know someone who has an EMC Clariion in their basement. Supposedly got it "second hand" from an old job :laugh:

[bluemonday]

I dunno, but I'd like to see someone who has... that would be funny. I do know someone who has an EMC Clariion in their basement. Supposedly got it "second hand" from an old job :laugh:

Yeah. Geeks have all sorts of strange stuff in their basements. ;)

[Sytpg]

I have Ubuntu on my desktop PC. I mainly use my Macbook Pro, but it's my secondary OS. Windows sucks.


If the point of type-voting was to say something about Open-source VS Closed-source software my vote counts for nothing really. I only started using Linux because I found it better, not because it's cheaper or more "communist".

[JivinJeffJones]

Why I won't try Linux:

xkcd - A Webcomic - Cautionary (http://xkcd.com/456/)

[JAVO]

^ you have a RAID 0 array for your home PC?
Poseur!
*jealous*

Multi-boots are more trouble than they're worth, IME.

Have you tried virtualization? Makes life easier if you can trash it all and start again, as long as you have the resources to make it feasible.
I used to have RAID 0, but changed to just 2 SATA drives instead. I haven't done any video processing yet to see what the real world performance difference will be.

I tried some LiveCD's of different distros, but wanted to do a real install to get the full experience of the two most popular distros. I might do a virtual install just to try it though.

haha raid0...

*has 4-disk RAID5 on his fileserver downstairs worth about 1TB, running ubuntu 7.10, and a 2-disk raid1 (500GB SATA) plus lone WD Raptor 10K-rpm SATA in his other server, the AMD Opteron with 4GB RAM which acts as a router & VMware server, running ubuntu 7.04*
Used to rock raid1 with my main workstation in my room, but I opted instead to buy an external SATA dock and just install separate O/S's on separate SATA disks and swap them when switching O/S. All my important data goes on the servers downstairs.
Think I need to do a nice O/S refresh on those servers though.

*quits showing off*
:rofl1:

[JAVO]

I used to have RAID 0, but changed to just 2 SATA drives instead. I haven't done any video processing yet to see what the real world performance difference will be.

I tried some LiveCD's of different distros, but wanted to do a real install to get the full experience of the two most popular distros. I might do a virtual install just to try it though.


:rofl1:

Why I won't try Linux:
:doh: This is giving me flashbacks from my experience with Red Hat 4.1.

[animenagai]

I have Ubuntu on my desktop PC. I mainly use my Macbook Pro, but it's my secondary OS. Windows sucks.


If the point of type-voting was to say something about Open-source VS Closed-source software my vote counts for nothing really. I only started using Linux because I found it better, not because it's cheaper or more "communist".

personally, i believe that those are closely linked. it is a better environment when everyone can chip in and improve a product. closed source means that you never really know what the fuck is in your OS.

[locke]

Linux obsidian 2.6.25-gentoo-r7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 21 15:29:52 PDT 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Free Software attracts NFs and freeloaders alike. XP Service Pack 3 includes WGA so it's a bit trickier to avoid it now.

[millerm277]

XP Service Pack 3 includes WGA so it's a bit trickier to avoid it now.

Requires a bit more effort, but nothing too difficult. :D

[Nillerz]

ENFP and love Xubuntu. I got Flash working through wine and programming is so much more error free!

[noigmn]

haha, awesome!! We NFs are the leading linux users so far.

I want multitouch for my macbook!! Cos I like linux better than OSX but have to hit the touchpad to right or middle click. It always makes me cringe. Problem solved if at desk and plugged into external mouse. But in a way that defeats the idea of having a notebook.

[Chukamok]

I used to use Suse and before that RedHat. Now I use Ubuntu. I started with Hardy Heron and now I'm using Intrepid Ibex.

[Nillerz]

How is Intrepid?

[Chukamok]

How is Intrepid?
Honestly I haven't noticed a big difference between Hardy and Intrepid.

[spirilis]

Still lovin' Intrepid. That 3D desktop on my old work laptop (an impressive feat in itself, since it's an Intel 3D chipset) is popular eye candy among my coworkers :D

[Nillerz]

I won't switch if there's not a major difference between it and 8.04... I don't need the baggage.

[Chukamok]

I won't switch if there's not a major difference between it and 8.04... I don't need the baggage.
I'd wait until the early adopters flush out all the bugs. I'm installing updates everyday.

[Cameigons]

<3 linux, been using it since... 1997? All my computers at home run it (Ubuntu), although I dual boot windows XP on my workstation in my room (and have XP running on a virtual machine on the downstairs linux router/server). It helps that I deal primarily with Linux at my workplace... (thus my work laptop also runs linux :D)

I personally hate Windows and everything Microsoft stands for with a passion. Microsoft could die and I would only cheer. Any software I've ever written has been released under the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html).

My feelings are the same :worthy:


BTW, notice how the NF people all have linux according to the poll. I would have thought that NTs are the more nerdy people.

I believe we're attracted to the cause involved. Plus linux is more secure, customizable, stable. etc.

Currently I've got multiboot Ubuntu 8.04 / windows xp / FreeBSD 7.0
I do everything on Ubuntu, unfortunately except for media edition and gaming(rarely).

[Xander]

Have tried -
Kubuntu
Ubuntu
Fedora
SUSE
PCBSD
FreeBSD

Now using with pride -
Vista Prem 64
XP 64

Looking forward to-
Windows 7

Tried them, junked them, moved on. I was NOT happy with my linux smile... to say the least.