IQ and patience.

[Terian]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

[Colors]

:rolli: I'm glad you're so ashamed of your "problem" that you've completely rationalized it.

[bluemonday]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

1 point more than yours. That's high enough for me to lose patience with this thread.

[Terian]

1 point more than yours. That's high enough for me to lose patience with this thread.Marry me.

[Terian]

:rolli: I'm glad you're so ashamed of your "problem" that you've completely rationalized it.Wait. I should feel ashamed? Who ever said that?

[Thursday]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

first off - iq does not make you a smart person
it measures the capacity for a specific intelligence
but true genius is inscrutable - at least baffling in its undefined and yet indelible prescence

but to skin a cat, i have the same problem - its not their problem
and my iq is in the 140 to 150 range , although this random guy said 174
wtf ?
but yeah

[Terian]

first off - iq does not make you a smart person
it measures the capacity for a specific intelligence
but true genius is inscrutable - at least baffling in its undefined and yet indelible prescence

but to skin a cat, i have the same problem - its not their problem
and my iq is in the 140 to 150 range , although this random guy said 174
wtf ?
but yeahTrue, IQ does not equate with actual intelligence. However, it's an excellent indicator. It does equate with a higher capacity for understanding (italicized to reflect the concept of "understanding", rather than the definition).
I never mentioned true genius. However, I disagree with you that it is inscrutable. Everything is reducible. All that is required to scrutinize genius are boundaries for its application.

[Thursday]

I never mentioned true genius.
Good observation

However, I disagree with you that it is inscrutable. Everything is reducible. All that is required to scrutinize genius are boundaries for its application.

I concede to this and how i.q. is a fair indicator
but do you really think that it can be reduced to numbers ?
I would think so - everything is a number, everything is everything - blah blah blah

but my cynicism is based on the inadequacy of the tests
the inconsistent fluctuations of range qualifications and history questions on i.q. tests ? eww

[Terian]

I concede to this and how i.q. is a fair indicator
but do you really think that it can be reduced to numbers ?
I would think so - everything is a number, everything is everything - blah blah blah

but my cynicism is based on the inadequacy of the tests
the inconsistent fluctuations of range qualifications and history questions on i.q. tests ? ewwI did not say that genius could be reduced to a single number. Since there are many types of genius, there would have to be subcategories and classifications, but yes, in the end (if you took it that far) you could reduce someone's measure of genius to the point of comparative significance (say, 14a5b=Mozart's musical genius).

I'm not saying that current IQ tests are the perfect formula, and I agree with you that a lot of the questions are dependent upon circumstantial upbringing factors (has Kid A ever even heard Word B?), hence imperfect. However, debating the validity of Intelligence Quotients is straying from the topic.

[Orangey]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

My IQ has tested in the 145-150 range. I don't really have a problem with needing to 'dumb down' my speech for anyone, nor do I feel the need to talk down to individuals whom I deem are less intelligent than I. Guess it's a problem particular to you.

[ed111]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

I don't have much of a problem with people with average IQ - they can still have plenty more interesting life experiences than myself. I do have a problem with people who are rude and arrogant: it's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.

My IQ was measured at 156 by MENSA a few years ago (I had a very low self esteem and wanted to know if my perceived academic failure up to that point was down to stupidity). I thought I'd join the society for something to do (I have a limited social life). I went out for a few meals and met some nice people. However, I had to consider what the point of the society was, other than to say 'I'm in MENSA', so I decided to leave. May be if all the smart people banded together to make the world a better place it would be worthwhile, but it just seems to be more for socialising.

[Night]

Intelligence is often described as quickness; a rapid extrapolation of base ideas into cohesive intellectual towers of knowledge.

With this quickness, its likely one will eventually uncover anxiety - an urgency to move these so-called towers into an exact sequence, if to build even more magnificent structures. More towers mean more knowledge. Higher intelligence is the expression of this arrangement.

Yet, this impatience can create oversight. Oversight can fold into stress. Stress into mistakes. The desire to move can often lead an impatient mind to stumble...

Wisdom helps to correct this. It disavows us from the desire to uplift ourselves into our intellectual monuments. It protects us from ourselves, as existence aloft is often a very lonely place. Makes some reconsider their intellect.

Experience is this realization.

Helping others find their intellectual identities, the manifestation.

[Victor]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141), and very impatient to boot. I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me. This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

Giftedness starts at about 130. However IQ is not a measure of giftedness. Giftedness is global and encompasses the whole person, particularly their emotions.

However for those who are gifted, it is important for their emotional and social growth to mix with other gifted people.

So it is well worthwhile to join a gifted group.

[mlittrell]

this seems to be an attribute (WARNING: EXTREME GENERALIZATION) of NPs in general. my best friend (ENTP) has literally no patience whatsoever.

[nonsequitur]

I have more patience with other people (who don't have the benefit of my personal context) than I do myself. That's because I take the time to explain things, qualities, notable bits of information that might be relevant to understanding.

Intelligence has nothing to do with quickness of understanding. Relatable context does. Your judgment of people being "less smart" (in the context of misunderstanding you) because of an IQ test result is just your ego speaking.

edited to add: For the record, my IQ is higher than yours, but it means absolutely nothing, beyond the fact that it convinced me when I was 14/15 that what my teachers were telling me about my apparent stupidity was wrong.

[Haphazard]

I'm very impatient when I know that somebody can do something about the thing at hand right this second, but choose not to for some stupid reason. However, if that's not possible, I'm pretty chill -- I can also be pretty patient with explaining things if I'm not on a time limit/have better things to do myself.

It's unbelievable how antsy I get, though.

[Nocapszy]

Bunch of shit. Everyone thinks they're above average IQ.

Patience wasn't very specifically defined. For example, in traffic, I find myself very impatient. But when I'm waiting for something in the mail, I don't have a choice so I'm patient.

[FDG]

I have an IQ of 800, and right now 10 women with an IQ of 801 (so, more intelligent, so, I'm not threatened by them) are giving me a blowjob.

[Victor]

Everyone thinks they're above average IQ.


At Lake Wobegon, all the children are above average.

[ed111]

Giftedness starts at about 130. However IQ is not a measure of giftedness. Giftedness is global and encompasses the whole person, particularly their emotions.

However for those who are gifted, it is important for their emotional and social growth to mix with other gifted people.

So it is well worthwhile to join a gifted group.

You are quite right that a person's emotions plays a vital role in their ability to apply their giftedness. The highest grades (or general attainment in life) are achieved mostly by hard work rather than by being naturally gifted. Being smart is not enough in itself.

[ed111]

Bunch of shit. Everyone thinks they're above average IQ.

Patience wasn't very specifically defined. For example, in traffic, I find myself very impatient. But when I'm waiting for something in the mail, I don't have a choice so I'm patient.


Everyone thinks their child is a genius - how annoying.

[Victor]

You are quite right that a person's emotions plays a vital role in their ability to apply their giftedness. The highest grades (or general attainment in life) are achieved mostly by hard work rather than by being naturally gifted. Being smart is not enough in itself.

Yes, you are quite right. Attainment is achieved by hard work and practice, practice, practice.

However those at either end of the Bell Curve are different.

It's not true that we are all gifted. In fact only a very tiny number are gifted at one end of the Bell curve; and an equal number of non compos mentis are at the other end.

And the tiny number of gifted are different emotionally in that they are over excitable (OE).

And OE and a very high IQ are signs of giftedness.

So there are two things to keep in mind with giftedness and that is the gifted are extremely rare and that they are emotionally different.

[Ilah]

My IQ has tested in the 145-150 range. I don't really have a problem with needing to 'dumb down' my speech for anyone, nor do I feel the need to talk down to individuals whom I deem are less intelligent than I. Guess it's a problem particular to you.

I have had that problem as well. I once had my best friend tell me that people didn't like to talk to me because the couldn't understand my vocabulary.

So I got into the habit of adjusting my speach depending on who I was talking to. I don't use big words or obscure words to impress people, but it is refreshing to be around people where I feel I don't have to adjust my words.

Communication is so challanging for me sometimes. My thoughts are too abstract and have to be "translated" into something more concrete. My thought are too intellectual/complex and difficult concepts have to be simplified, over explained or avoided. My vocab is too big and I have to "translate" into simpler words. I could use a word then define it, but it often comes out as partonizing, so I try to avoid it. And people think I am slow because it sometimes takes me a minute or two to form my answer.:doh: Okay, once in a while I do try to purposely impress someone with my intellect, but only if they are hinting that I am not very smart.

Ilah

[bluemonday]

Amazing how patient people can be when they're talking about their gifts, innit?

[whatever]

Bunch of shit. Everyone thinks they're above average IQ.

Patience wasn't very specifically defined. For example, in traffic, I find myself very impatient. But when I'm waiting for something in the mail, I don't have a choice so I'm patient.

:yes:

yeah... actually this thread and everyone bragging about being all so bright is making me ill :sick:

I also think that there's something to type about patience- I know one really smart person who is as patient as can be, and I know some pretty impatient dumb people.

[CaptainChick]

meh, IQ.

meh, people.

Though sometimes I wish I were less smert!

:)

[Uberfuhrer]

My official IQ is around 140. With online IQ tests, I have scored anywhere from the 100 to 160 range, depending on the kind I take. I'm generally good with visual patterns and word twisters, but I'm terrible with mathematical story problems.

I consider myself highly impatient, as well. When I want things done, I want them done right now. Unfortunately, that's not the way the world works, and with whatever I want done, I usually forget about it the next minute because my attention shifted elsewhere. But it's this kind of dance that sort of makes up my life. I am also impatient with explaining things to others. And I try to resist doing it whenever possible.

I do not think this has much to do with IQ, though. I do not think IQ tests are good measures of intelligence, and they are certainly not good at measuring anything useful for life. That said, I don't know that IQ has much to do with patience or a lack thereof other than, of course, people who rush through the test to get it over with.

[entropie]

Mine is around 70, god seemed to have invested in other parts of this body :D

[Kora]

ITT: We post our IQs.
Hey mine is 141.

[Grayscale]

a defining characteristic of intelligence is being able to solve problems...

:dry:

[bluemonday]

a defining characteristic of intelligence is being able to solve problems...

:dry:

too dry, Gray guy...
?

[Terian]

Yay, look what I've done! You all get to brag and sneer at me at the same time, while seemingly contributing to a discussion!

I admit, it was foolish of me to base the idea of intelligence entirely on IQ from the word "go". However, had I simply said, "Intelligence and patience," I would have had unreliable results. Everyone can say that they are intelligent, but not everyone can say they have a high IQ- not that it matters, ultimately. IQ /= Intelligence. IQ might equal probability of intelligence.

That said, this thread is not a place for bragging. It's an honest discussion regarding the correlation between intelligence and interpersonal patience. Really, all that is required in a reply, in its most basic form, is "Yes, I'm smart. No, I don't have that problem." Granted, a more detailed response would be preferable, but not if it's given to the detriment of anyone else, or this thread. Come on people, saying, "I'm so much smarter than you and I don't have this problem. You're just a jerk," is not helpful. It's at once boastful and belittling.

[Terian]

a defining characteristic of intelligence is being able to solve problems...

:dry:That is a perfect example of a helpful reply.

[entropie]

It's like they say, "It's not about what you say, it's about what you do"

[Terian]

It's like they say, "It's not about what you say, it's about what you do"Well, that's what they said, but what did they do?

[Uberfuhrer]

a defining characteristic of intelligence is being able to solve problems...

:dry:

But an IQ test is just too specific. There are plenty more situations in life where problem solving is infinitely more complex than an IQ question -- I'd say mechanics utilize more problem solving skills than an IQ test taker, but since a mechanic's forte is not included on the IQ questionnaire, he's perceived as stupid.

Same thing with more abstract forms of problem solving. For example, I can easily understand the logic behind psychological and philosophical theories, but I have a very hard time understanding certain mathematical problems, which exist on IQ tests. So because I'm not mathematically inclined, I will be perceived as stupid, despite the fact that I can use the same kind of thinking in different contexts.

[Nocapszy]

boastful and belittling.

Dibs for new usertitle.

Thanks, jerk.

[Uberfuhrer]

Yay, look what I've done! You all get to brag and sneer at me at the same time, while seemingly contributing to a discussion!

I admit, it was foolish of me to base the idea of intelligence entirely on IQ from the word "go". However, had I simply said, "Intelligence and patience," I would have had unreliable results. Everyone can say that they are intelligent, but not everyone can say they have a high IQ- not that it matters, ultimately. IQ /= Intelligence. IQ might equal probability of intelligence.

That said, this thread is not a place for bragging. It's an honest discussion regarding the correlation between intelligence and interpersonal patience. Really, all that is required in a reply, in its most basic form, is "Yes, I'm smart. No, I don't have that problem." Granted, a more detailed response would be preferable, but not if it's given to the detriment of anyone else, or this thread. Come on people, saying, "I'm so much smarter than you and I don't have this problem. You're just a jerk," is not helpful. It's at once boastful and belittling.

If it makes you feel better, I did answer to the thread title.

[CaptainChick]

Yay, look what I've done! You all get to brag and sneer at me at the same time, while seemingly contributing to a discussion!

I admit, it was foolish of me to base the idea of intelligence entirely on IQ from the word "go". However, had I simply said, "Intelligence and patience," I would have had unreliable results. Everyone can say that they are intelligent, but not everyone can say they have a high IQ- not that it matters, ultimately. IQ /= Intelligence. IQ might equal probability of intelligence.

That said, this thread is not a place for bragging. It's an honest discussion regarding the correlation between intelligence and interpersonal patience. Really, all that is required in a reply, in its most basic form, is "Yes, I'm smart. No, I don't have that problem." Granted, a more detailed response would be preferable, but not if it's given to the detriment of anyone else, or this thread. Come on people, saying, "I'm so much smarter than you and I don't have this problem. You're just a jerk," is not helpful. It's at once boastful and belittling.
Thanks for the clarification!!!

:)

Yes, I am smart, and yes, much to my dismay, I have difficulties finding like-minded peers.

[Terian]

If it makes you feel better, I did answer to the thread title.You were among the few that actually did respond in a helpful manner. That does make me feel better.

[Colors]

That said, this thread is not a place for bragging. It's an honest discussion regarding the correlation between intelligence and interpersonal patience. Really, all that is required in a reply, in its most basic form, is "Yes, I'm smart. No, I don't have that problem." Granted, a more detailed response would be preferable, but not if it's given to the detriment of anyone else, or this thread. Come on people, saying, "I'm so much smarter than you and I don't have this problem. You're just a jerk," is not helpful. It's at once boastful and belittling.

But it gives you the data you're looking for, right? It's not really an honest discussion when you're asking people to just limit their replies to their answers to your two survey questions.

You sort of set yourself up as an easy target. And I've sure encountered lots of people who claimed they were "argumentative", "a little difficult", etc- but that they couldn't help it just because they were "Type A", "visionary", "idealistic", etc. If it looks like a donkey, smells like a donkey, brays like a donkey... :

It's like they say, "It's not about what you say, it's about what you do"

[CaptainChick]

You were among the few that actually did respond in a helpful manner. That does make me feel better.
What about those of us who don't feel comfortable disclosing our IQs?

Should we have not participated in this thread?

[Terian]

What about those of us who don't feel comfortable disclosing our IQs?

Should we have not participated in this thread?Your response was excellent.

[evan]

I'm smart.

I get incredibly bored with some people.

I still have the patience to talk to everyone, and to stay polite. But it's hard.

I don't have patience in a classroom setting, though. My thoughts are always going so much faster than the lecture that I want to scream! I always end up coming up with interpretations and theories in the first 10 minutes of class, and then at the end of class, the teacher will say my theory and say some person who thought of it. Blah. I need discussion to learn.

I'm also always that asshole who raises his hand all the time, even in my 400 person lectures. I figure I might as well get my questions answered.

I have ADD, though. So...yeah. Not that it means much. Maybe I was just diagnosed because I think faster than most people? Or maybe that's what ADD is? Meh, who knows.

[Terian]

But it gives you the data you're looking for, right? It's not really an honest discussion when you're asking people to just limit their replies to their answers to your two survey questions.

You sort of set yourself up as an easy target. And I've sure encountered lots of people who claimed they were "argumentative", "a little difficult", etc- but that they couldn't help it just because they were "Type A", "visionary", "idealistic", etc. If it looks like a donkey, smells like a donkey, brays like a donkey... :I'm not asking for simple input-output dialogue. I am asking, however, that the discussion be based on my two "survey questions". When I am the target of the response (because I'm perceived as foolish, incompetent, or as an asshole), I don't get nearly as much useful information as I would if we had stayed on-topic.

[CaptainChick]

I don't have patience in a classroom setting, though. My thoughts are always going so much faster than the lecture that I want to scream! I always end up coming up with interpretations and theories in the first 10 minutes of class, and then at the end of class, the teacher will say my theory and say some person who thought of it. Blah. I need discussion to learn.
Don't even get me started on this!!!

I SOOOOOO FEEL YOU, MAN!!!!

:steam:

I'm also always that asshole who raises his hand all the time, even in my 400 person lectures. I figure I might as well get my questions answered.
Lol, this is me too, and what's really awesome is when the prof can't even answer my question for he/she, the supposed "expert", doesn't even know the answer him or herself!

:)

[Terian]

I'm smart.

I get incredibly bored with some people.

I still have the patience to talk to everyone, and to stay polite. But it's hard.

I don't have patience in a classroom setting, though. My thoughts are always going so much faster than the lecture that I want to scream! I always end up coming up with interpretations and theories in the first 10 minutes of class, and then at the end of class, the teacher will say my theory and say some person who thought of it. Blah. I need discussion to learn.

I'm also always that asshole who raises his hand all the time, even in my 400 person lectures. I figure I might as well get my questions answered.

I have ADD, though. So...yeah. Not that it means much. Maybe I was just diagnosed because I think faster than most people? Or maybe that's what ADD is? Meh, who knows.You've just described my story, practically word-for-word. The biggest difference being that I haven't been diagnosed with ADD, but I know I have it. I think that at the very least, thinking quickly has some part in causing ADD, if not entirely the determining factor.

[Grayscale]

That is a perfect example of a helpful reply.

i guess what i am saying is that i tend to be skeptical of the so called very intelligent people who cant figure out how to solve day-to-day problems. ive found that far rarer than intelligence is the provocation to actually think.

and to answer your question more directly--i think it's unimportant whether i am intelligent or unintelligent, i can be patient if i need to be because it seems obvious to me that patience is the best way to cope with situations that require it (forgive my oversimplification) although that is less often than you'd think.

[evan]

Don't even get me started on this!!!

I SOOOOOO FEEL YOU, MAN!!!!

:steam:

Yeah. It sucks.


Lol, this is me too, and what's really awesome is when the prof can't even answer my question for he/she, the supposed "expert", doesn't even know the answer him or herself!

:)

Luckily, I don't tend to have that problem here, as I take classes from some of the top names in my field in the world. :)

But the teachers also look bored, like they're annoyed they have to teach some stupid shit to mostly idiots. They just want to get to their research or grad student seminar. Some of them get pretty excited when I talk to them after class. It's honestly the only thing that keeps me going...

[Terian]

i guess what i am saying is that i tend to be skeptical of the so called very intelligent people who cant figure out how to solve day-to-day problems. ive found that far rarer than intelligence is the provocation to actually think.

and to answer your question more directly--i think it's unimportant whether i am intelligent or unintelligent, i can be patient if i need to be because it seems obvious to me that patience is the best way to cope with situations that require it (forgive my oversimplification)Such as the most efficient way to brush your teeth, manage money, or discover a way to convert mp3s to m4b format for free. Impatience is an entirely different problem, independent of intelligence. For me, exercising patience puts me in a state of mild claustrophobia. It would be foolish to say, "Come on boy, fix it, if you're so smart!" At this point it's deeply rooted into my psyche and if I was unintelligent, it would arise in a different form, in different environments.

[Grayscale]

i consider learning different ways to interpret your perceptions and controlling your psyche a daily challenge :alttongue:

i think what you want is these people to stimulate you, which isnt necessarily their responsibility. you should probably find your own entertainment in what they say and do.

[Nocapszy]

Here's a cool question:
Are determination and impatience compatible? That is, will you find both traits in the same person?


How's that for cooperation Terian?

[Lucifer]

There is a difference in knowledge and intelligence.

Intelligence denotes the ability to learn and contemplate situations to come up with your own ideas.

Whilst knowledge is merely the ability to remember information.

Someone can appear to be inteligent, when they are merely reciting information.

As is common, I have found in this thread.

Also dissonance, I share you situation with regard to classroom settings. Just the other day me and my friend discussed the topic during the first 15 mins of the lecture, and bounced ideas off each other. And at the end of the class the prof finally made it too that after prompting from me that he had missed a basic principle.

School is merely a piece of paper to let employers know how much you know. I find it to be a waste o time, but it is a neccessary waste of time.

[Aimahn]

That's sort of like saying I have so much potential that It would be detrimental to realize it. I guess it creates sort of a continual loop of striving for something unreachable, so in that sense it could be a factor in high intelligence. Rage to learn, insatiable curiosity...etc

[Terian]

i consider learning different ways to interpret your perceptions and controlling your psyche a daily challenge :alttongue:

i think what you want is these people to stimulate you, which isnt necessarily their responsibility. you should probably find your own entertainment in what they say and do.It may be a challenge, but it is solved independently of intelligence.

Remember that you're talking to an ENTP here.

[Aimahn]

The school thing also resonates with me and I think it was at the root of Terians question in the OP. In conversation it is definitely refreshing and liberating when you are talking to someone who is obviously very smart, for me personally it seems like ideas and connections just seem to build up without pause or need for constant clarification and definition.

The knowledge v Intelligence is also a key distinction. That is one thing I absolutely hate and is actually one of my determining factors in assesing someones "intelligence", basically more of a fluid v crystalized interpretation of the issue. It is probably one of the most noticeable things in a conversation, basically how particular and tailored your comments and explanations have to be to that individual for them to understand.

[Hirsch63]

So, I'm a smart person (I've tested everywhere from 130-141),

At least you perform well on a standardized test developed seemingly for people living in a western society and assuming those values...

...and very impatient to boot.

I have found over the course of years that experiencing a personal cost at the indulgence of my own impatience will tend to provide me with more patience. Opportunities to practice this have always seemed to be in abundant supply for myself, and you too it seems. Good Luck.

I find myself speaking down to most people, and when I don't dumb down my speech, they often misunderstand me.

When I experience difficulty communicating with another person I'll try additional methods adding gesticulation, drawing or best of all I have found, listening to them to discover what they need and how sharing information may serve both of us.

This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below (they become boring too quickly and I just want to move on).

Although I have a rather modest IQ score for this forum, I am almost certain that you are describing intolerance? Tolerance of others is something I've grown to accept as not only being a decent human, but additionally, beneficial! Often people I find seemingly a few coals short of a good BBQ, are savants in some esoteric area like computer repair, facilities management, politics, dishwashing etc., and they prove to be useful and productive members of society. Although I can claim no competence in any of these areas, they seem able to tolerate me despite this.

So, I was wondering, how many of you have this same problem? What's your IQ?

Yes being human I share these problems. But having a somewhat lower IQ score perhaps I am able to exert more patience...perhaps this is an evolutionary tool developed over the eons to help the less gifted survive? Thanks for taking the time to read this reply.

[Babylon Candle]

Yeah. It sucks.




Luckily, I don't tend to have that problem here, as I take classes from some of the top names in my field in the world. :)

But the teachers also look bored, like they're annoyed they have to teach some stupid shit to mostly idiots. They just want to get to their research or grad student seminar. Some of them get pretty excited when I talk to them after class. It's honestly the only thing that keeps me going...

what are you studying? I too sense that most of the profs are pissed they have teach at all....

...sometimes i get a good question, "hmm ill go ask him at office hours n get brownie points :devil:", but then i just find the answer myself and never bother going. If the class is really boring and not in my major (some random general ed requirenment class) then ill be "that guy" who has questions. If its a class I need to do well in and its not necessarily easy, then I just have to focus on the material and not be "that guy" who has a question/argument for everything

[Thursday]

Everyone thinks their child is a genius - how annoying.

yeah....my dad was the random guy who thought i have a 174 iq
argh
damn ENTPs
and he brags to his friends about his " genius son "
argh

[Thursday]

oh yes, i never addressed the patience issue.
i have a lot of patience.....even when i am impatient
its hardest with stupid people - high I.Q.s and all

[Lucifer]

My IQ was rated at about 160, with my highest area being mathematics at 192 and my lowest being 96 in memory.

[Thursday]

My IQ was rated at about 160, with my highest area being mathematics at 192 and my lowest being 96 in memory.

cool

[ptgatsby]

Hmmm, I always feel sorry for those that have high IQs and lack patience. Such a waste of talent.

I'd be curious to know which tests (Mensa aside, I know those) were taken to generate such IQs.

[Jack Flak]

Hey OP: That's an ENTP thing.

[Jack Flak]

cool
I agree, Lucifer is awesome now. Before I wasn't so sure.

[Thursday]

Hey OP: That's an ENTP thing.

LOL
yeah....more of a maturity thing

[Lucifer]

Hmmm, I always feel sorry for those that have high IQs and lack patience. Such a waste of talent.

I do hope this is not aimed at me, as it is close to my post.

I do have a considerable amount of patience, the only thing I do not have patience for is downright ignorance, such as religion.

[ptgatsby]

I do have a considerable amount of patience, the only thing I do not have patience for is downright ignorance, such as religion.

It wasn't directed at you, but at the OP. However, thank you for the example!

[Night]

I'd be curious to know which tests (Mensa aside, I know those) were taken to generate such IQs.

I'm interested too.

Especially for the ultra-high scorers, as the traditional Weschler (most commonly used test) ceilings at around 160 (with vast degradation over 130...).

It's statistically...impressive...that our little nook has attracted such brilliance.

[Jack Flak]

My IQ is whatever Lucifer's is plus five, and I'm super patient to boot. Not saying I'm smart.

[Lucifer]

It wasn't directed at you, but at the OP. However, thank you for the example!

No problem, and thanks for clarifying.

[Night]

My IQ is whatever Lucifer's is plus five, and I'm super patient to boot. Not saying I'm smart.

I'm just impressed that the testing center had enough historical scores within the 190 IQ range (in mathematics, no less) to make a specific numerical determination of 192 and not, say...195 or 190.

That's impressive.

[ptgatsby]

I'm interested too.

Especially for the ultra-high scorers, as the traditional Weschler (most commonly used test) ceilings at around 160 (with vast degradation over 130...).

It's statistically...impressive...that our little nook has attracted such brilliance.

Not that unusual... doesn't really matter where you go, you always end up with a lot of high IQ people. They are just that common :newwink:

I have yet to meet anyone (in a social situation) who has taken a formal WAIS or KAIT test, especially as an adult. It's typically quite expensive and not really requested for any reason other than mensa or similar.

[proteanmix]

Not that unusual... doesn't really matter where you go, you always end up with a lot of high IQ people. They are just that common :newwink:

I have yet to meet anyone (in a social situation) who has taken a formal WAIS or KAIT test, especially as an adult. It's typically quite expensive and not really requested for any reason other than mensa or similar.

I don't know 'bout none of that. All I know is OKCupid told me I had an IQ of 140. Nothing else really matters!

[Lucifer]

^^

[ptgatsby]

I'm just impressed that the testing center had enough historical scores within the 190 IQ range (in mathematics, no less) to make a specific numerical determination of 192 and not, say...195 or 190.

That's impressive.

Well, surely it's clear that all.. uhh... 5? people in the world that would have 190ish live in the same area, yeesh :D

(FWIW, some of the less validated tests will skew up age scores, so it's possible that 160/similar would be skewed up that high. Kind of defeats the whole meaning of the score, eh?)

I don't know 'bout none of that. All I know is OKCupid told me I had an IQ of 140. Nothing else really matters!

Damn straight!

But the big question is, do you look down on those that aren't high-cupid scorers? :)

[Orangey]

I'm interested too.

Especially for the ultra-high scorers, as the traditional Weschler (most commonly used test) ceilings at around 160 (with vast degradation over 130...).

It's statistically...impressive...that our little nook has attracted such brilliance.

Yeah, it seems like BS (and kind of is, in my case). The IQ I posted was from some test given to me by some school when I was little. I don't remember the name or what it was because I was like five years old (convenient, right?), so take my results with a HUGE grain of salt (although I looked at SAT and GRE to IQ conversion tables a while ago, and my scores put me in the range of 147, though I know Mensa doesn't accept those anymore since 2001). When I was ten or so, I did take one of the Stanford-Binet tests (stanford-binet 5, I think? I don't know) for another private school, and I got a 137. So to be more honest, that's my most recent score on one of the standard scales from an accepted test.

[Night]

Oh - Orangey, I wasn't referring to you.

There was an outlandish score mentioned earlier; several sigmas above Mensa level.

FWIW, you seem highly intelligent. Whether that means you have a high IQ is somewhat incidental. ;)

[Aimahn]

Haha yeah. I'm assuming most people are basing their scores on earlier IQ tests that allowed for differentiated curriculums( gifted classes, grade skipping..etc).

In terms of my IQ I don't know that I could produce a number, but I know I always did well on the group tests that could correlate with IQs. Percentiles in the 90's in comprehension and math and also a couple of Chronological grades above average, I was always especially good at the comprehension part but I assume that was somewhat biased since I read far more than I should have when I was a little kid.

Regardless past a certain point I don't think it really matters except for E-bragging rights. I think some posters generally had good intentions though in their posts and the thread shouldn't devolve into another IQ raising, S bashing NT bragging battle. I think personally that being in the backseat of a conversation and just being able to flow and discuss with out frequent intermissions to back up and explain multiple times from multiple perspective is what Terian meant by patience. I think we can all agree that some people will generally not listen or reason unless you just so happen to tailor whatever your saying to there SPECIFIC unadaptable opinions and understanding.

[Negative_]

i'd say i have an average amount of patience...but it depends on the situation.

iq, dont know.
i dont trust online tests (seems like everyone scores way above average on those), and they wouldn't tell me the results of the one i got pulled outta class in 1st grade to take. i'm assuming it wasn't low, for the sake of my ego.

[entropie]

Well, that's what they said, but what did they do?

I guess they did not compare who had the longest IQ :D

[bluemonday]

I guess they did not compare who had the longest IQ :D

it was headed that way, tbf

[Lucifer]

Regardless past a certain point I don't think it really matters except for E-bragging rights. I think some posters generally had good intentions though in their posts and the thread shouldn't devolve into another IQ raising, S bashing NT bragging battle.

I merely posted what my I.Q. was, which was done by a physcologist and I believe it costed $100.oo. Other people seemed to respond exactly how they wanted to, instead of on topic, which would have regarded something to do with patience and IQ.

Also noted, they do seem to be extremely impatient

[Jon]

IQ and patience are not correlated. That's obvious in virtue of their respective definitions.

Moreover, intelligent people don't spend their time surfing online communities. If they did then they'd be less intelligent than they really are and, thus, not as intelligent as the people we're talking about (therefore not the people we're talking about).

The people we're talking about spend 1.5 hrs. per day exercising and the rest of the time either eating or exercising their mind (via intellectual problems). Their overall value is no higher than that of a person with enormous biceps. Really? It's true. No one body part is objectively more important than another. Body parts are only important if they do something (and their virtue would then lie in being able to do what they can do). Given that all body parts can do something, my ankle is just as important as my brain.

[Hexis]

Personally I.Q. means almost nothing to me, there are just too many ways of testing it and no "official" way for it to hold much value to me. Ive personally never had mine tested and never intend to, I do feel I have a fairly high vocabulary and personally feel im quite intelligent compared to most of my peers. Concerning impatience, I have no patience in general so for me thats not a good way for me to personally determine if its associated with intelligence. Now ignorance is my biggest pet peeve though and can piss me off quite easily, but even genius' can be ignorant.

But your I.Q. does not impress me, and even if you are a genius I could care less. Actions speak louder than words.

[YourLocalJesus]

Impatience is my biggest flaw next to eating and drinking too much. 147.

[Hexis]

Impatience is my biggest flaw next to eating and drinking too much. 147.

We will have to have an impatient drinking contest one day. :happy:

[Babylon Candle]

IQ = 140 (averaged from many respectable interwebz such as yourfreebullshit.info and boostmyego.org)

and while we're at it, ill throw in my SAT:
710 verbal

oh and how could I forget my SAT II:
740 some history shit

Oh shit!, I need to go dig up my standardized tests from 7th grade too, can you guys all wait for me to go tear through my parents attic?

oh and I got a smiley face + a "good job" on my 3rd grade spelling test for days of the week, months and seasons. (i remember it being on the fridge along with other cliche ego boosters that go on the avg-suburban-kitchen-fridge under a hello kitty magnet...

[Jack Flak]

I got lots of "checks" and "pluses" in school. *pride*

[YourLocalJesus]

We will have to have an impatient drinking contest one day. :happy:

I can drink beer really, really fast. :smile:

[Babylon Candle]

I can drink beer really, really fast. :smile:

i was hoping we could have a milk drinking contest...

...because...i drink milk....



really
really...

fast.

[Jack Flak]

Perhaps alternate between beer and milk. (Bad idea if you don't know)

[Babylon Candle]

Perhaps alternate between beer and milk. (Bad idea if you don't know)

bad idea doesnt mean bad in practice.

im up for the experiment
....of course, i wont be the subject. we have rats for that sort of thing.

[Orangey]

Perhaps alternate between beer and milk. (Bad idea if you don't know)

Ewww.

[Jack Flak]

bad idea doesnt mean bad in practice.

im up for the experiment
....of course, i wont be the subject. we have rats for that sort of thing.
But it's a horrible practice! In my reckless youth (Well, I was like 22...), a friend and I followed some drinking with bowls of ice cream. Not good.

[entropie]

I can drink beer really, really fast. :smile:

Hit me :D

[Babylon Candle]

But it's a horrible practice! In my reckless youth (Well, I was like 22...), a friend and I followed some drinking with bowls of ice cream. Not good.

aw, so the experiment has already been done. and how cost conscious of you...you were the experiment. For your sake I hope you dont end up running a pharmaceutical company haha

[Thursday]

IQ = 140 (averaged from many respectable interwebz such as yourfreebullshit.info and boostmyego.org)

and while we're at it, ill throw in my SAT:
710 verbal

oh and how could I forget my SAT II:
740 some history shit

Oh shit!, I need to go dig up my standardized tests from 7th grade too, can you guys all wait for me to go tear through my parents attic?

oh and I got a smiley face + a "good job" on my 3rd grade spelling test for days of the week, months and seasons. (i remember it being on the fridge along with other cliche ego boosters that go on the avg-suburban-kitchen-fridge under a hello kitty magnet...

i love you in the face and the butt
:hug:

[FDG]

Hmmm, I always feel sorry for those that have high IQs and lack patience. Such a waste of talent.

More often than not, it's a matter of age, from my experience (especially for extraverted males). Even if I am still very young, I notice that I am a lot more patient than when I was 15-16. It has probably to do with testosterone levels slightly tapering off once one hits 18.

Cycling uphill for long routes has helped my concentration ability very much, too.

[LucrativeSid]

I think I'm pretty intelligent and I'm naturally impatient to the point of being called an asshole on a few occasions.

The first half of that sentence was me trying to be modest and the second half was me downgrading the truth. It's been more than on a few occasions.

In all honestly, though, I don't think losing my cool because I'm too impatient is very intelligent at all... I've consistently gotten better with this problem for the last two years or so. It's hard work, so I guess I'm not as smart as I wish I was.

[ygolo]

Gifted Adults (http://giftedservices.com.au/adults.html)


Gifted adults can misinterpret their complex and deep way of thinking as craziness. They can mistake their emotional intensity for emotional immaturity or see it as a character flaw. Because they have never been given information to explain what is "normal for gifted" they frequently experience frustration in the world, alienation, anger, self blame and emptiness. Without an adequate explanation of their gifted difference, they develop a façade with which they cover their authentic self; a face that they show to the world in order to fit in and so avoid disapproval or sanction.

Many gifted people consult a professional because they have difficulty deciding what to do with and in their lives. The traditional approach is to do what you are good at. But what if you are good at many things and don't want to miss out on exploring as many of them as possible? What if you don't think you are good enough at anything? What if you feel immobilised by the thought of not picking the "right" career? What if you feel that your life should have meaning and want a vocation and not simply a job? What if you are scared by the thought that no job will provide the stimulation, challenge and new learning that you crave? What if……..?

Because of their unique characteristics, gifted people need a different approach to counselling and career guidance; one based on the individual gifted self. When gifted adults are given information about what is "normal for gifted", they realise that, while they are statistically in the minority, they are not alone in the world. When gifted people have knowledge about themselves and what they need in order to lead a satisfying life, then they can use their intellectual abilities on ensuring that life provides these needs.

When gifted adults work with a professional on their career, the number one priority should be to construct a theoretical framework within which it is OK to be themselves. Gifted adults have a complex intellect and a burning desire for information. They have high levels of energy, intensity and sensitivity, set exceptionally high standards for themselves and others and are extremely hard on themselves. They are very independent and perceptive, like to be in control, are frequently driven, full of self doubt and often feel they must be self sufficient.

Despite the enormous diversity within the gifted population, the goal of professional work should always be the same: for the gifted adults to re-encounter, explore and value the gifted self and allow it to grow in its own unique way. It is the professional's job to provide whatever each gifted individual needs in order for this to happen. Working with gifted adults ideally requires specialised theoretical knowledge, intellectual flexibility, emotional strength, spiritual development, high levels of sensitivity and empathy, a love of spirited discussion and above all, a great sense of humour. Professionals working with gifted adults strive for this ideal even though they will never attain it and so they continue to learn.


I like to think the gifted style is what leads to the type of accomlishments more so than raw intelligence. I see it as beeing true of both Richard Feynman and John Bardeen, though distinctly different eccentreties were involved in both.

[Terian]

Gifted Adults (http://giftedservices.com.au/adults.html)

That describes me rather accurately, especially towards the end. I think it's difficult to describe oneself as "Gifted", however, because the implication is pretentious. I will definitely look into this more.

[ed111]

There is a difference in knowledge and intelligence.

Intelligence denotes the ability to learn and contemplate situations to come up with your own ideas.

Whilst knowledge is merely the ability to remember information.

Someone can appear to be inteligent, when they are merely reciting information.

School is merely a piece of paper to let employers know how much you know. I find it to be a waste o time, but it is a neccessary waste of time.

I fully agree with this post. I realised from an early age that school was just an arbitrary system moulding individuals to what society needs rather than really being centres of learning and development (more so now that subjects are taught to specific tests). I undertook a deliberate policy of non-participation, much to the annoyance of certain staff. The irony is that I now work as a lecturer and encourage my students to achieve the highest grades in order that they might have a better opportunity to escape the deprived area they live in and to live more comfortable lifestyles.

As you can imagine, I need to be very patient with students: to try to explain topics repeatedly in order that they gain an understanding. It is very challenging for me to explain abstract concepts such as variables or objects in programming and I find it really tests my understanding of a topic (e.g. what do I really understand it as, how did I come to understand it). However I am driven to do it because I want the students to learn and improve (especially if they show interest), I believe I am doing something positive, and I am driven to be competent and successful in whatever I do.

[Victor]

I think it is well worth emphasizing that the gifted are very, very tiny in number. And that almost everyone else is normal.

Also, for the gifted person, the most important thing is to realise they are gifted. So that they can then set about developing their very unique self.

So it is important to pay to have yourself measured by a professional psychometrician.

And it is important to join a group of gifted people - and this probably excludes Mensa.

And it is important to find a counsellor who speciallses in gifted people.

And MBTI Central is just a chat group for normal people.

[Victor]

That describes me rather accurately, especially towards the end. I think it's difficult to describe oneself as "Gifted", however, because the implication is pretentious. I will definitely look into this more.

Just as a writer is someone who can't help but write, a gifted person is someone who can't help being gifted.

It is not a question of describing oneself as gifted, or worrying about being pretentious.

It is a question of being.

So if you are sincere in wanting to know whether you are gifted, pay a professional psychometrician to test you.

Self testing on MBTI will only mislead you. This doesn't matter for normal people because it is a party game like astrology. But if you are gifted, you are wasting your time testing yourself with MBTI.

[Night]

And MBTI Central is just a chat group for normal people.

This is precisely correct, and is worth saving for later.

[Eldanen]

Why all the need for competition? If you hoard what you know, it doesn't matter how smart or dumb you are, you'll always be able to make a profit off of it ;).

[Little Linguist]

I'm a dumbass and impatient. So there goes that theory----:cool:

[Uberfuhrer]

Gifted Adults (http://giftedservices.com.au/adults.html)



I like to think the gifted style is what leads to the type of accomplishments more so than raw intelligence. I see it as being true of both Richard Feynman and John Bardeen, though distinctly different eccentricities were involved in both.

That article knows me. Seriously.

A lot of my teachers told me or at least implied I was gifted, but I still got put into special ed classes, which ended up making me more self-conscious than anything and stunning my academic growth.

[ygolo]

That article knows me. Seriously.

A lot of my teachers told me or at least implied I was gifted, but I still got put into special ed classes, which ended up making me more self-conscious than anything and stunning my academic growth.

I could have been in remedial instead of gifted classes too. Luckily, I actually found the types of puzzle that were on IQ tests interesting as a kid. I had friends who weren't so lucky.

[sophiedoph]

Yay, look what I've done! You all get to brag and sneer at me at the same time, while seemingly contributing to a discussion!

I admit, it was foolish of me to base the idea of intelligence entirely on IQ from the word "go". However, had I simply said, "Intelligence and patience," I would have had unreliable results. Everyone can say that they are intelligent, but not everyone can say they have a high IQ- not that it matters, ultimately. IQ /= Intelligence. IQ might equal probability of intelligence.

That said, this thread is not a place for bragging. It's an honest discussion regarding the correlation between intelligence and interpersonal patience. Really, all that is required in a reply, in its most basic form, is "Yes, I'm smart. No, I don't have that problem." Granted, a more detailed response would be preferable, but not if it's given to the detriment of anyone else, or this thread. Come on people, saying, "I'm so much smarter than you and I don't have this problem. You're just a jerk," is not helpful. It's at once boastful and belittling.

On impatience:
I think this has as much to do with personality type as anything else. I'm INFJ and my IQ is higher than yours. I rarely grow impatient with discussing difficult topics with others, indeed, I enjoy helping others grasp hard concepts (such as the law) so they feel more empowered and in control of what is going on in their situation.

I do not have patience for narrow-mindedness, however. I bow out of such discussions because I do not believe it is productive... people don't often change their opinions based on a discussion. (They usually don't understand enough of the topic to be moved by new or different information.)

On the validity/purpose of IQ scores:
I do not believe that high-IQ is necessarily an indication of potential success, either. IQ is a gift or talent, just as artistic ability, musical talent, or ability to understand others is.

I don't like studying for fun. School has always been a struggle for me, in part because I was anxious and avoidant. The law itself is almost lost on me; it takes great effort for me to understand legal concepts. I consider myself a law idiot. :) Others grasp these things as naturally as they breathe. It makes sense to them, they deduce and conceptualize the principles as easily as I negotiate and work with people.

Thus, IQ and behavior is, to me, inextricably linked to personality. I'm a typical INFJ with a high-IQ. My husband is a typical INTP (impatient!) with a high-IQ. (He doesn't understand why law is so difficult to me; I don't understand why it's so hard for him to use euphemisms and be nice!)

[Edahn]

Moved from Bonfire. :azdaja:

[Misty_Mountain_Rose]

Intelligence is often described as quickness; a rapid extrapolation of base ideas into cohesive intellectual towers of knowledge.

With this quickness, its likely one will eventually uncover anxiety - an urgency to move these so-called towers into an exact sequence, if to build even more magnificent structures. More towers mean more knowledge. Higher intelligence is the expression of this arrangement.

Yet, this impatience can create oversight. Oversight can fold into stress. Stress into mistakes. The desire to move can often lead an impatient mind to stumble...

Wisdom helps to correct this. It disavows us from the desire to uplift ourselves into our intellectual monuments. It protects us from ourselves, as existence aloft is often a very lonely place. Makes some reconsider their intellect.

Experience is this realization.

Helping others find their intellectual identities, the manifestation.


This is beautiful, almost poetic. Very philosophical. :wubbie:

[kyuuei]

The OP itself, when read just like it is, makes me want to say that I'm sure there are plenty of people that have to translate what they say, or end up talking to people who are uninterested in grasping a deeper sense of the english language, cannot follow some concepts being talked about, or don't bother to spend the time thinking on whatever subject matter was at hand thus creating impatience with those who do these things because you're the one having to adjust.

.. But what I feel when I read this is someone whining and complaining that the world isn't the way they want it to be. So you have to translate your thoughts sometimes.. I don't see why your patience would be so outstandingly thin that you get upset about it. The truth of the matter is not everyone is going to think, or talk the same way you do.. though I'm not sure this has anything to do with intelligence, playing into the game and saying it might I think being the more intelligent one of the conversation gives you the responsibility to not only understand what's being said, but so in return have everyone understand you.

A Harvard graduate and a GED 18 year old both ask how the weather is the same way. Just my thoughts on this, but you sound kind of childish complaining about such a simple task. You don't like it? Don't talk to those people, and just associate with people you deem "on your level" of intellect. Either you'll find no one else and be alone and free of the 'burden' of socializing, or you'll have a select group of friends with equal haughty intellectual thoughts with no one of 'lesser' intelligence allowed.. OR.. you can just accept things the way they are and continue to talk with whomever you please.. instead of thinking those you socialize with are a burden on you because you have to 'dumb yourself down' just to have a simple chat.

[Little Linguist]

The OP itself, when read just like it is, makes me want to say that I'm sure there are plenty of people that have to translate what they say, or end up talking to people who are uninterested in grasping a deeper sense of the english language, cannot follow some concepts being talked about, or don't bother to spend the time thinking on whatever subject matter was at hand thus creating impatience with those who do these things because you're the one having to adjust.

.. But what I feel when I read this is someone whining and complaining that the world isn't the way they want it to be. So you have to translate your thoughts sometimes.. I don't see why your patience would be so outstandingly thin that you get upset about it. The truth of the matter is not everyone is going to think, or talk the same way you do.. though I'm not sure this has anything to do with intelligence, playing into the game and saying it might I think being the more intelligent one of the conversation gives you the responsibility to not only understand what's being said, but so in return have everyone understand you.

A Harvard graduate and a GED 18 year old both ask how the weather is the same way. Just my thoughts on this, but you sound kind of childish complaining about such a simple task. You don't like it? Don't talk to those people, and just associate with people you deem "on your level" of intellect. Either you'll find no one else and be alone and free of the 'burden' of socializing, or you'll have a select group of friends with equal haughty intellectual thoughts with no one of 'lesser' intelligence allowed.. OR.. you can just accept things the way they are and continue to talk with whomever you please.. instead of thinking those you socialize with are a burden on you because you have to 'dumb yourself down' just to have a simple chat.

EXACTLY. Really good point. It is all a case of your thinking: Do you have a positive tape or a negative tape running in your head? A positive person realizes everyone has something to offer. A negative person judges others. You can choose.

[chattegris]

138, extremely impatient with people, not really arrogant but I tend to hurry others too much and finish their sentences.

[Aimahn]

To continue that point I find it terrible when people take the negative route and just look for ways to assert their brilliance. That is NOT constructive, when you are intelligent and positively interested in sharing some of your thought that is absolutely phenomenal and I will gladly be a sponge and try and get as much knowledge and insight as possible.

[Terian]

The OP itself, when read just like it is, makes me want to say that I'm sure there are plenty of people that have to translate what they say, or end up talking to people who are uninterested in grasping a deeper sense of the english language, cannot follow some concepts being talked about, or don't bother to spend the time thinking on whatever subject matter was at hand thus creating impatience with those who do these things because you're the one having to adjust.

.. But what I feel when I read this is someone whining and complaining that the world isn't the way they want it to be. So you have to translate your thoughts sometimes.. I don't see why your patience would be so outstandingly thin that you get upset about it. The truth of the matter is not everyone is going to think, or talk the same way you do.. though I'm not sure this has anything to do with intelligence, playing into the game and saying it might I think being the more intelligent one of the conversation gives you the responsibility to not only understand what's being said, but so in return have everyone understand you.

A Harvard graduate and a GED 18 year old both ask how the weather is the same way. Just my thoughts on this, but you sound kind of childish complaining about such a simple task. You don't like it? Don't talk to those people, and just associate with people you deem "on your level" of intellect. Either you'll find no one else and be alone and free of the 'burden' of socializing, or you'll have a select group of friends with equal haughty intellectual thoughts with no one of 'lesser' intelligence allowed.. OR.. you can just accept things the way they are and continue to talk with whomever you please.. instead of thinking those you socialize with are a burden on you because you have to 'dumb yourself down' just to have a simple chat.You see, you're becoming part of the problem. My problem is not that I have to adjust what I say to make sense to people. My problem is that most people's minds are too small to fully grasp what I'm saying (yourself included, as it seems). You're giving advice to an irrational person. You're giving advice to a person who is not me. For you to give advice to me, you'd have to understand me.

I think circles around people. I'm not a genius, but I am quick and bright. I figure people out so quickly that over the course of a single conversation, I often start feeling drained of energy. I can anticipate their actions five steps in advance, and nothing remains a mystery to me, nothing remains for me to explore. Maybe another ENTP could elaborate.

And to clarify: I am not inherently a negative person. While I don't necessarily think that everyone has something to offer, I give them the benefit of the doubt. It's only after I've exhausted their potential offerings that I become bored. I become frustrated when I try offering them something in return and they don't understand. I'm not out to assert my intellectual dominance on anyone. I was initially questioning whether there were others who experience the same phenomena as me, and it seems that it's predominantly a type trait.

[Jack Flak]

Yeah I agree with kyuuei, and I'm smart as fuck.

[entropie]

Characteristics of Gifted Adults

- has an unusual sense of humour

we are so in with the gifted traits @ Mein Überführer :D

[ptgatsby]

and it seems that it's predominantly a type trait.

You know, after everything you said, it sounds like you now think it is a personality "defect"...?

Kind of puts the IQ thing up for debate, doesn't it?

[Terian]

You know, after everything you said, it sounds like you now think it is a personality "defect"...?

Kind of puts the IQ thing up for debate, doesn't it?
Did I say it was a defect? I said it was a trait. Blue eyes are not a defect- they are a genetic trait.

You know what they say about people that assume.

[ptgatsby]

Did I say it was a defect? I said it was a trait. Blue eyes are not a defect- they are a genetic trait.

Hence "defect" with quotations rather than directly stating it. Since impatience would be viewed negatively, I decided to add the connotation to convey my impression of using your IQ as an attack, and yet remain self-contradictory and assign it as a personality "trait".

As far as addressing what I did ask about;

I note you didn't address the "not an IQ thing". Do you still feel it is related to IQ?

[Lalaru]

I am rather patient with people... Depends on the situation of course. I mean most everyone annoys me in some way or another, but I believe that's my problem, not theirs. I do snap on occasion, but I am pretty good at keeping my irritation hidden. I don't know my IQ, though, so I guess my post doesn't really count for much. *swims away*

[Victor]

This is beautiful, almost poetic. Very philosophical. :wubbie:

It's true - Night is poetic and philosophical.

[kyuuei]

You see, you're becoming part of the problem. My problem is not that I have to adjust what I say to make sense to people. My problem is that most people's minds are too small to fully grasp what I'm saying (yourself included, as it seems). You're giving advice to an irrational person. You're giving advice to a person who is not me. For you to give advice to me, you'd have to understand me.

I think circles around people. I'm not a genius, but I am quick and bright. I figure people out so quickly that over the course of a single conversation, I often start feeling drained of energy. I can anticipate their actions five steps in advance, and nothing remains a mystery to me, nothing remains for me to explore. Maybe another ENTP could elaborate.

And to clarify: I am not inherently a negative person. While I don't necessarily think that everyone has something to offer, I give them the benefit of the doubt. It's only after I've exhausted their potential offerings that I become bored. I become frustrated when I try offering them something in return and they don't understand. I'm not out to assert my intellectual dominance on anyone. I was initially questioning whether there were others who experience the same phenomena as me, and it seems that it's predominantly a type trait.

1. Attacks at me for my personal views on a situation you made public just because you don't like what I wrote isn't very nice. ;) It would make everyone that disagrees with you not bother posting, leaving you with only the people that agree and only one side to your further threads.

That aside, wouldn't "My problem is not that I have to adjust what I say to make sense to people." and "My problem is that most people's minds are too small to fully grasp what I'm saying" be the same thing? The problem you're stating is that when you talk.. people don't understand the depth of your words.. forcing you to either translate (what I wrote about) or be stuck with a one-sided conversation. So it would be the same thing, because your problem, leads to the problem you just mentioned you don't have.. so I'll guess that you mean you never alter your words to help those who don't grasp the concept understand.

I'll say this, I don't know my IQ exact, and I don't think I would publish it if I did.. but I do know that I do have a problem expressing myself to others and having them understand what it is that I've said. I get a sense of relief when people are able to pick up on what I'm TRYING to say and run with it. In that sort of way, I appreciate those who are "smarter" than me in that sort of way and are capable of understanding the depth I meant to have that I can't put to words.

What you're saying is you feel you're always the person doing this? Picking people apart, reading everyone's actions, etc? It's a talent to have that, and a lot of people wish they would be able to do things like this.. so I think it's childish to complain about it. In the sense of saying that you're "dumbing down" yourself to everyone.. it just comes off as haughty to talk the way you did in the OP. Translating yourself is never that big of a deal.. I'm sorry it's just so stressful on you though.

If you wanted to inquire on simply if anyone else feels that when they talk they are not fully understood because their intelligence delves deeper than the average conversation people are used to.. Why include things like IQs, dumbing yourself down, I'm so brightandhawtandintelligentyayme text? A simple inquiry could have been much better written. Which is where my only complaint with this thread is, I simply stated you sounded a bit uppity about yourself when you made your question..

[placebo]

I can be impatient, though I don't like to think that I am. Actually one of my best friends always said I was somewhat "intolerant" especially when people acted 'ignorant', and that she learnt to be like that from me. I don't know my IQ ( I think 130s ) as I was deemed 'gifted' at a young age. You wouldn't know the difference though if you met me. You'd think I was typical enough and you wouldn't generally notice I was impatient I think. But I can be very irritable once you get to know me and eventually you might notice my 'intelligence quotient' shining through.

I don't feel like I'm better than others, but that they should be better. And I am impatient because I don't understand sometimes why others don't see the obvious, when... IT IS SO OBVIOUS.

[Terian]

1. Attacks at me for my personal views on a situation you made public just because you don't like what I wrote isn't very nice. ;) It would make everyone that disagrees with you not bother posting, leaving you with only the people that agree and only one side to your further threads.

That aside, wouldn't "My problem is not that I have to adjust what I say to make sense to people." and "My problem is that most people's minds are too small to fully grasp what I'm saying" be the same thing? The problem you're stating is that when you talk.. people don't understand the depth of your words.. forcing you to either translate (what I wrote about) or be stuck with a one-sided conversation. So it would be the same thing, because your problem, leads to the problem you just mentioned you don't have.. so I'll guess that you mean you never alter your words to help those who don't grasp the concept understand.

I'll say this, I don't know my IQ exact, and I don't think I would publish it if I did.. but I do know that I do have a problem expressing myself to others and having them understand what it is that I've said. I get a sense of relief when people are able to pick up on what I'm TRYING to say and run with it. In that sort of way, I appreciate those who are "smarter" than me in that sort of way and are capable of understanding the depth I meant to have that I can't put to words.

What you're saying is you feel you're always the person doing this? Picking people apart, reading everyone's actions, etc? It's a talent to have that, and a lot of people wish they would be able to do things like this.. so I think it's childish to complain about it. In the sense of saying that you're "dumbing down" yourself to everyone.. it just comes off as haughty to talk the way you did in the OP. Translating yourself is never that big of a deal.. I'm sorry it's just so stressful on you though.

If you wanted to inquire on simply if anyone else feels that when they talk they are not fully understood because their intelligence delves deeper than the average conversation people are used to.. Why include things like IQs, dumbing yourself down, I'm so brightandhawtandintelligentyayme text? A simple inquiry could have been much better written. Which is where my only complaint with this thread is, I simply stated you sounded a bit uppity about yourself when you made your question..I was not attacking you- I was retaliating against you. My original post was to be read objectively- I have no need or desire to submit a thread with the intent of self-aggrandizement. You had read it without objectivity, and instead tried to analyze me (incorrectly, as it were). You made negative assumptions about me, and I responded in like kind.

"That aside, wouldn't "My problem is not that I have to adjust what I say to make sense to people." and "My problem is that most people's minds are too small to fully grasp what I'm saying" be the same thing?"
Yes.

"so I'll guess that you mean you never alter your words to help those who don't grasp the concept understand."
No. It's that no matter how much I alter my words, my meaning is not understood entirely.

"What you're saying is you feel you're always the person doing this? Picking people apart, reading everyone's actions, etc? It's a talent to have that, and a lot of people wish they would be able to do things like this.. so I think it's childish to complain about it. In the sense of saying that you're "dumbing down" yourself to everyone.. it just comes off as haughty to talk the way you did in the OP. Translating yourself is never that big of a deal.. I'm sorry it's just so stressful on you though. "
Yes, 70-90% of the time, I will be the person doing this. I did mention in the OP that "... This leads to me being rather bigoted against people of average intelligence or below." Yes, there is a sense of bitterness here, and yes there is a mild sense of intellectual superiority. However, I'm not looking to solve the problem- I'm looking to see if others share in my problem.

"Translating yourself is never that big of a deal.. I'm sorry it's just so stressful on you though."
It is not a big deal, but then again, neither is a cup of water being poured onto the ground. Pour enough cups of water on the ground and then you've got a problem. Imagine having to restrict yourself from communicating on the level that you desire hundreds- thousands- of times each day, week, month. After a while it claws at you with numb and bitter frustration.

"If you wanted to inquire on simply if anyone else feels that when they talk they are not fully understood because their intelligence delves deeper than the average conversation people are used to.. Why include things like IQs, dumbing yourself down, I'm so brightandhawtandintelligentyayme text?"
To find a reason. To find a correlation of import somewhere within the chaos. I say I'm bright, and that's not to brag. That's to increase the amount of potentially useful data on the subject.

[Terian]

I note you didn't address the "not an IQ thing". Do you still feel it is related to IQ?I feel that it is intelligence in correlation with, at the very least, iNtuitive Perceiving types.

[kyuuei]

Well, to save the re-quoting of everything over and over again... I'm unable to grasp what you're trying to do here.

There is no solution for your problem. To ask that people just start understanding, and form a higher intellect, and start to do some of what you've been blessed with for you, it is impossible. The only thing you CAN do is have an escape. Take a step back so you don't burn out. I'm sure there are plenty of people, as evident from the posts, that share your problem.

Since this seems quite evident to me from the start.. I can't help but read the OP in a manner that would come off as arrogant. If you didn't mean this, I apologize for taking it wrong.. but you're asking for something that doesn't exist.

[Terian]

Well, to save the re-quoting of everything over and over again... I'm unable to grasp what you're trying to do here.

There is no solution for your problem.
Sigh. I've already said that I'm not trying to solve a problem.

To ask that people just start understanding, and form a higher intellect, and start to do some of what you've been blessed with for you, it is impossible. The only thing you CAN do is have an escape. Take a step back so you don't burn out. I'm sure there are plenty of people, as evident from the posts, that share your problem.
And that was the underlining purpose of the thread.

[INTJMom]

...Imagine having to restrict yourself from communicating on the level that you desire hundreds- thousands- of times each day, week, month. After a while it claws at you with numb and bitter frustration.
....
Join the club, toots.

I don't have that ability to predict what people are going to do 5 steps from now, nor would I even want to. Too much thinking going on. I don't even CARE what people are going to do. What does it matter?

I experience a similar frustration but in a different vein. I can almost never find someone who is willing to communicate to the depth of soul that I would like to. Not only that, but my own children and husband roll their eyes at me, or yell at me and tell me to stop when I start getting frustrated about how nobody cares about things I think are important, so I have to endure the rejection in my own home!

btw: I'm not sure what my IQ is but I thought it was around 125-130.

[Eldanen]

Does IQ connect with speed in solving problems? If so, it might have a correlation with impatience. But IQ => Intelligence is incorrect in my opinion. Some really intelligent processes are very slow. I personally like everything NOW, lol. But I don't know my IQ.

[INTJMom]

Terian. Here. I stole this from Metamorphosis' signature:
The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. - Henry David Thoreau
You're not alone.

[Travo7]

*Scroll down for short answer to post*

IQ: Of course I wonder about the validity of most of these tests found online (and at your local psychologist), but could it be that, in general, the type of people on the internet are more likely to score higher than average?
Again, not saying that these tests should be considered valid or even reasonably accurate (even with professional IQ tests, can they be?), but for example, I know of people who have had lower scores on online tests than the ones they received on the professional ones they had done.


*Short Answer*

That said, my scores are in the 130-145 range. I am usually not impatient.


Additional Comments:

Lack of impatience is probably because I have a hard time expressing myself with my anxiety (going blank when trying to answer a simple question is a crushing experience for me). Because of that, "smart" people can easily dismiss me as an idiot, or "dumb down" to me with a sort of condescending pseudo-compassion. Dealing with situations like this has made me so much more aware of other people's individuality.

I really think there is so much more to a person than what you immediately perceive them to be (whether they are smart or not). The real challenge is looking past your own assumptions and impressions.

[Victor]

I'm not sure what my IQ is but I thought it was around 125-130.

The average intelligence quotient is 100. This means that half of all people are above 100 and half below.

Also the intelligence quotient is distributed along a bell curve which means almost everybody is in the middle and almost no one is at either end.

This means that virtually everyone here is between 90 and 110.

[Eldanen]

The average intelligence quotient is 100. This means that half of all people are above 100 and half below.

Also the intelligence quotient is distributed along a bell curve which means almost everybody is in the middle and almost no one is at either end.

This means that virtually everyone here is between 90 and 110.

Not necessarily. People of the same disposition tend to concentrate in one area. People like to congregate with their own kind, capiche?

[Victor]

Not necessarily. People of the same disposition tend to concentrate in one area. People like to congregate with their own kind, capiche?

Sure, MBTIc is self selecting. And pehaps it selects for IQ.

However MBTI is a world wide cult so it is more likely to select for gullibility.

But, I can hear you saying that gullibility does not preclude a high IQ.

And this is true - as the best and brightest are often attracted to cults.

So perhaps you are right. Maybe MBTIc does select for gullibility and intelligence.

But I think it is more likely that we have a normal intelligence profile on MBTIc, that is, 90 to 110.

But who knows?

[Travo7]

It has been said somewhere (can't remember source) that most mensans are NTs, so it could very well be...at least partially.

[INTJMom]

...
But I think it is more likely that we have a normal intelligence profile on MBTIc, that is, 90 to 110.
...
I don't think so.
Most of the people here are abnormal, in my opinion. :newwink:

[INTJMom]

...
... virtually everyone here is between 90 and 110.
How can you say that when several people in this thread said their IQ was at 130 or higher?

[Victor]

Most of the people here are abnormal, in my opinion.

Maybe you are right. But where there are abnormal people, there are subnormal people. And usually they are 50:50.

In fact half of us are abnormal and half are subnormal.

But we all cluster in the middle round 90:110.

But of course we are playing musical chairs and no one wants to be subnormal, so we all rush for the abnormal chairs.

And the irony is that, almost every last one of us, is normal.

[Victor]

How can you say that when several people in this thread said their IQ was at 130 or higher?

I know they say their IQs are 130+ but not one of them has paid to be tested by a qualified, professional psychometrician.

But an IQ is an average so if I put my money on the average, I am more likely to back a winner.

Let's face it, in a free market economy, your first job is to sell yourself. Your first job is to turn yourself into an object - a desirable object.

So what is more desirable, the subnormal or the gifted?

So far the bids are 130+, but no non compos mentis.

So remember the rule of the free market - caveat emptor.

[ptgatsby]

This means that virtually everyone here is between 90 and 110.

IQ has a SD of 15 - 90-100 does not include virutally everyone even in the general population.

Sure, MBTIc is self selecting. And pehaps it selects for IQ.

It does. It is likely that the range of IQs on MBTIc is between 100 and 140, with a few outliers above that.

[Victor]

IQ has a SD of 15 - 90-100 does not include virutally everyone even in the general population.

It does. It is likely that the range of IQs on MBTIc is between 100 and 140, with a few outliers above that.

There is no way to know unless a psychometric survey of members is taken.

But there is reason to be skeptical as it is more flattering to be between 100:140 than to be between 60:100.

Look, we have members not so shyly admitting to 140 but not one member even shyly admitting to 60.

So would you be prepared to put your money on flattery or back 75:115 ?

[ptgatsby]

But there is reason to be skeptical as it is more flattering to be between 100:140 than to be between 60:100.

No, that is not a reason to be skeptical. The degree of flattering-ness is meaningless.


Look, we have members not so shyly admitting to 140 but not one member even shyly admitting to 60.

So would you be prepared to put your money on flattery or back 75:115 ?

No. There are three major factors on why I state that range.

1) The ability to use a computer/post/etc sets a floor
2) The dominance of Ns sets a smaller range for IQs
3) The topics of interest are not those normally used by below-average IQs.


The range I stated is likely correct (120, SD ~7-9, skewed right).

[Victor]

No, that is not a reason to be skeptical. The degree of flattering-ness is meaningless.



No. There are three major factors on why I state that range.

1) The ability to use a computer/post/etc sets a floor
2) The dominance of Ns sets a smaller range for IQs
3) The topics of interest are not those normally used by below-average IQs.


The range I stated is likely correct (120, SD ~7-9, skewed right).

Perhaps you are right.

But I confess a certain affection for the non compos but here I am surrounded by the bright and the gifted.

Will heaven be like this, do you think? Will we be surrounded by the bright and the gifted while the non compos are hidden away, tucked away, down below - just like the mad women in the attic.

Is MBTIc a taste of heaven? Sometimes I think it is.

[INTJMom]

...
Will heaven be like this, do you think? Will we be surrounded by the bright and the gifted while the non compos are hidden away, tucked away, down below - just like the mad women in the attic.

Is MBTIc a taste of heaven? Sometimes I think it is.
Surely you jest.

[Babylon Candle]

The average intelligence quotient is 100. This means that half of all people are above 100 and half below.

Also the intelligence quotient is distributed along a bell curve which means almost everybody is in the middle and almost no one is at either end.

This means that virtually everyone here is between 90 and 110.

Sure, MBTIc is self selecting. And pehaps it selects for IQ.

However MBTI is a world wide cult so it is more likely to select for gullibility.

But, I can hear you saying that gullibility does not preclude a high IQ.

And this is true - as the best and brightest are often attracted to cults.

So perhaps you are right. Maybe MBTIc does select for gullibility and intelligence.

But I think it is more likely that we have a normal intelligence profile on MBTIc, that is, 90 to 110.

But who knows?

There is no way to know unless a psychometric survey of members is taken.

But there is reason to be skeptical as it is more flattering to be between 100:140 than to be between 60:100.

Look, we have members not so shyly admitting to 140 but not one member even shyly admitting to 60.

So would you be prepared to put your money on flattery or back 75:115 ?


the very fact people here are on a computer kind of leans towards everyone here being at least of HS graduate level. (most people here will be above 100 regardless of your statistical analysis *check*).

i would say a majority of people here are capable of graduating college (that moves up most people here to having a floor of 115 *check*)

all of the above would be true even if this was just some random other topic on a message board with college grad type people...so now throw in that it is full of intuits and its not the least bit ridiculous to think the avg could be 130 + or - a deviation of 10.

something tells me you forgot about hidden variables that affect the population. life is not a completely random sample.

[booya moon]

My IQ was rated at about 160, with my highest area being mathematics at 192 and my lowest being 96 in memory.

AvereX, you were right after all! Here is a proof!

[Jack Flak]

Victor, I think there is a point to the intelligence quotient demographics. If I were to walk out the door and talk to ten people, I would be less impressed by their obvious intellect than spending some time on the average message board, and especially one built around a mental construct such as MBTI.

I would estimate that very few here inhabit the far side of the curve.

[Santtu]

I don't fancy this topic a lot, perhaps because I've seen a decline in both IQ and my interest in it. Anyways, about 142 IQ with standard deviation of 15, or about 161 with stdev of 24.

I've been extremely impatient, and learned not to expect much from people. I'm still often impatient for having to wait people, having to wait their responses.. and overall, having to talk to relatively uneducated people about a academic subject. Folk logic makes me sick; it's an eternal trap for those who can't maintain a valid system theory.

Lately, my impatience have surfaced mostly because of difference in I-E spectrum; I've given people some slack, and I don't expect them to understand much of anything, or to be very educated on mostly anything outside their profession. I haven't totally closed out strong Is from my life, though - my girlfriend is one relatively strong I - so I'm getting impatient more because of high E now.

[Victor]

Victor, I think there is a point to the intelligence quotient demographics. If I were to walk out the door and talk to ten people, I would be less impressed by their obvious intellect than spending some time on the average message board, and especially one built around a mental construct such as MBTI.

I would estimate that very few here inhabit the far side of the curve.

Well, I've done my best. I've thrown doubt around like bags of feathers. I've called on heaven and hell. But I have fooled no one.

You have seen right through me. You devils! You know, "The Far Side", is nothing but a comic strip.

I tried to fool you with a last throw of the dice - no, I didn't consult Ms Palin - I put on my last attempt at a comic turn - but no one laughed.

Not even a giggle.

That's why we need Affirmative Action for the subies, for the non compos - for simple balance and common decency.

We need, we definitely need, people who will laugh at my jokes and never think of proving me wrong.

Trust no one over thirty? No, trust no one over 85.

[Jack Flak]

LOL

[Orangey]

Well, I've done my best. I've thrown doubt around like bags of feathers. I've called on heaven and hell. But I have fooled no one.

You have seen right through me. You devils! You know, "The Far Side", is nothing but a comic strip.

I tried to fool you with a last throw of the dice - no, I didn't consult Ms Palin - I put on my last attempt at a comic turn - but no one laughed.

Not even a giggle.

That's why we need Affirmative Action for the subies, for the non compos - for simple balance and common decency.

We need, we definitely need, people who will laugh at my jokes and never think of proving me wrong.

Trust no one over thirty? No, trust no one over 85.

Verrueckt

[gloomy-optimist]

Well, my IQ is about ±145, but I don't really trust it. IQ is based mostly on mathematical reasoning and other concrete areas of intelligence, which only makes up part of what real, complete intelligence actually is.

For instance, I know many very analytical people who have absolutely no sense nor ability to apply what they learn to a broader scope beyond their field of study.

So basically, I'd say that anyone can know any amount of technical reasoning skills, but there is always more to gain by being patient enough to see from a different perspective. The inability to do so may be a sign that, while they may be very intelligent, they still have a lot to learn in an area they may have not yet considered.

[kyuuei]

Well, my IQ is about ±145, but I don't really trust it. IQ is based mostly on mathematical reasoning and other concrete areas of intelligence, which only makes up part of what real, complete intelligence actually is.

For instance, I know many very analytical people who have absolutely no sense nor ability to apply what they learn to a broader scope beyond their field of study.

So basically, I'd say that anyone can know any amount of technical reasoning skills, but there is always more to gain by being patient enough to see from a different perspective. The inability to do so may be a sign that, while they may be very intelligent, they still have a lot to learn in an area they may have not yet considered.

Very well said. I definitely feel the same, that impatience is a lack of wisdom and experience, even though it is not necessarily a lack of intelligence. It's a childish way of being, and many adults have this quality. Rather than accepting it for the way it is, or attempting to change themselves (I am a firm believer that you can only truly force changes and actions through yourself.).. they simply look over those that require patience and seek the escape and sympathies of like-minded people. Much the way children do.

[Terian]

Very well said. I definitely feel the same, that impatience is a lack of wisdom and experience, even though it is not necessarily a lack of intelligence. It's a childish way of being, and many adults have this quality. Rather than accepting it for the way it is, or attempting to change themselves (I am a firm believer that you can only truly force changes and actions through yourself.).. they simply look over those that require patience and seek the escape and sympathies of like-minded people. Much the way children do.And that is insulting. It's similar to telling a woman that it's her fault for being raped.

[Jack Flak]

And that is insulting. It's similar to telling a woman that it's her fault for being raped.
What? You cannot be remotely serious.

[Terian]

What? You cannot be remotely serious.

Sorry- it's more like telling a woman that she's immature for being upset about being raped. She has every right to be frustrated.

[ptgatsby]

Sorry- it's more like telling a woman that she's immature for being upset about being raped. She has every right to be frustrated.

Actually, it's more like a hyperactive woman blaming being hyperactice on being a woman.

See, just replace the words;

Actually, it's more like a high IQer blaming being impatient on being a high IQer.

Tada!

[kyuuei]

And that is insulting. It's similar to telling a woman that it's her fault for being raped.

Impatience, a problem within yourself that (much like ADD or ADHD, I know from personal experience) can be managed. There's no cure for impatience, but it can be managed. That comes from looking within yourself for ways to cope with your need to make things go faster. Children want things now and immediately, which is impatience. Most people gain a lot of it as they age and grasp experience and wisdom.. but some never grow out of their impatience naturally, in which case you need to look into yourself for relief. No one can cure your impatience, only pity you for having it.

Rape, an physical act forced upon another victim.. I cannot believe you claim yourself intelligent and made that connection somehow. To compare your minor problem with a terrible life-altering attack like rape.. it's narcissistic of you. Not to mention disgusting.

[Aimahn]

What? You cannot be remotely serious.

you read him all wrong I think he meant similar to being a DRAMA queen. THAT I can agree with.

[Jack Flak]

Sorry- it's more like telling a woman that she's immature