NFs and positive energy

[Antisocial one]

This post is based on observation.


To me it look like that many NFs need alot of positive energy to be around them. This works more for ENFs then INFs but INFs are probably better in hidding of this need.

It looks to me that things that are negative can hurt them a lot from the outside or the inside and thery is always some need to be more positive in life and about life.

Can anyone relate to this or explain the need?

[Night]

If you're referring to increased susceptibility to transient emotional states, it would stand to reason than an F would be more open to positive/negative emotions.

Not good or bad, more a question of cognitive choice.

Most dislike negative emotion. Type is less a question here than universal desire for happiness/balance with one's world.

[evan]

This post is based on observation.


To me it look like that many NFs need alot of positive energy to be around them. This works more for ENFs then INFs but INFs are probably better in hidding of this need.

It looks to me that things that are negative can hurt them a lot from the outside or the inside and thery is always some need to be more positive in life and about life.

Can anyone relate to this or explain the need?

Everyone needs positive energy around them.

NFs tend to be more attuned to the fact, but it doesn't make the fact more true for them.

One of the worst cases of this is my dad (INTP). He needs everyone to be positive and happy, but he doesn't keep it in his consciousness, so he's always confused by his own discomfort. The result is that he withdraws from the world. It's really too bad.

Being attuned to this fact at least gives you ammunition for changing your surroundings.

[CaptainChick]

Oh man, I ABSOLUTELY HATE NEGATIVE ENERGY!!!

Or bad ju-ju, if you will.

I don't necessarily need positive energy, though I absolutely love when I am in an environment that fosters and pulsates it.

I need an environment to at least be neutral, bad vibes make me feel fearful and yucky inside, whenever I get bad vibes, bad things actually happen.

So yeah, major thumbs down on negative energy.

[Antisocial one]

If you're referring to increased susceptibility to transient emotional states, it would stand to reason than an F would be more open to positive/negative emotions.

Not good or bad, more a question of cognitive choice.

Most dislike negative emotion. Type is less a question here than universal desire for happiness/balance with one's world.

True but it looks to me that in SF types this is not so expressed.

[Apollanaut]

I am an INF and I need a lot of positive energy around me to feel good. I get really dragged down by other people's negative vibes.

I've learnt how to project my own positive energy outwards when it is lacking in the environment. It's like tapping into solar energy in the heart region and then shining it out in all directions. It really seems to make a difference to other's moods, but I do not always remember to use this trick when I need it most!

[Night]

Interesting, Antisocial One.

My experience suggests that SFs seem the most engaged with in-the-moment emotionality.

The active desire to experience life in a temporally-linear fashion is my basis for judgment here.

[Antisocial one]

Oh man, I ABSOLUTELY HATE NEGATIVE ENERGY!!!

Or bad ju-ju, if you will.

I don't necessarily need positive energy, though I absolutely love when I am in an environment that fosters and pulsates it.

I need an environment to at least be neutral, bad vibes make me feel fearful and yucky inside, whenever I get bad vibes, bad things actually happen.

So yeah, major thumbs down on negative energy.

This is the kind of attitude I am talking about.


Interesting, Antisocial One.

My experience suggests that SFs seem the most engaged with in-the-moment emotionality.

The active desire to experience life in a temporally-linear fashion is my basis for judgment here.

Maybe but to me as an outsider it look that SF feeling are more shallow so they can change their state more quickly. While NF can be hurt for a long time and that is the reason why they must have so much positive energy around them.

[Night]

Ah - I see your point now, Antisocial.

Thank you for clarifying.

[nolla]

I can somewhat agree. I wouldn't say I need positive energy, but what I need is absence of negative energy. It was harder before I realized that I can be ok without positive energy as long as there's no negative either.

[Antisocial one]

I can somewhat agree. I wouldn't say I need positive energy, but what I need is absence of negative energy. It was harder before I realized that I can be ok without positive energy as long as there's no negative either.

I guess this is one more way of telling it.

[Kyrielle]

If by positive energy you mean reassurance, then yes I need a bit of reassurance.

As far as negative environments go, I suppose I can explain it like this:

If people are upset in some way or have resorted to outwardly projecting how shitty they're feeling on to everyone in the room, then I am going to get tired, irritated, and a little down. Mostly because I want to do something to make them stop being so...in a word...bitchy, but know the situation wouldn't call for it or they'd turn on me and roast me with their "I'm upset so you should be upset too" laser beam of death. So I end up feeling tired of actively trying to maintain an inner calm, irritated with how they are acting, and downhearted because I want to avoid conflict bad enough that I don't think I should do anything about it.

I'm trying to grow a pair so I can ask, without being afraid of them getting angry with me, what's got them upset and hopefully diffuse the situation so that maybe they feel a little better

[ixquic_creation]

My ex and I shared an apartment. Our apartment turned into a party house.

Drugs and booze, constantly. Pharms, crack, coke, hard alcohol, ect. Alterations that I don't mess with.

Negativity, constantly.

There were several downtrodden, misplaced, angry individuals who were ALWAYS there. Alot of "fuck-the-world.-I-don't-need-anyone." type attitudes. Fights breaking out, arguements, drama.

I would always end up looking like the bitch of the year, because someone would get shitface and belligerent, so I'd kick them out. I don't tolerate that type of behavior, especially in my own home. My ex had NO spine, concerning his friends.

Granted, I love wine, bud, and hallucinogens as much as the next pseudo-hippie... but when you throw a whole bunch of metalheads and juggalos together, and your hippiefest turns into a bloodbath. I view drugs as vehicle for mind expansion, but they wanted to forget their minds.



I was very, very depressed. Suicidal, almost. Alot of, "Goddess, is this my life? I'll never, ever make it to my half-life. I'm twenty years old, and already hate existance. How the hell did I get on interstate 8!?"

The relationship fizzled out, and I started surrounding myself with more positive, intellectual people.

Depression went away. Go figure.

I feed off of positive energy. It gives me light and hope.

Misery loves company, and I'm too empathic for my own good.

[Jack Flak]

'Tis simply their idealism actin' up.

[Dwigie]

Yeah...positive energy is like a drug to me. I find that energy in my friends mostly.
they're my sanctuary...my family and school stress me out.
So I go outside, I work out, I do anything to feel better.(Yeah escapism is a flaw of mine, I do need a reality check from time to time to deal with bad emotions and bad energy)
I choose to "flee" bad energy, so people may see me randomly leave the room or go quiet for a while after they thought.Sometimes I'm still upset after everyone in the room is over it...it's actually embarrassing.

[nolla]

My ex and I shared an apartment. Our apartment turned into a party house.

Drugs and booze, constantly. Pharms, crack, coke, hard alcohol, ect. Alterations that I don't mess with.

Negativity, constantly.

There were several downtrodden, misplaced, angry individuals who were ALWAYS there. Alot of "fuck-the-world.-I-don't-need-anyone." type attitudes. Fights breaking out, arguements, drama.

Whew.. I probably would have snapped. That's crazy. Sure, people are nice and all, but if they never leave... uhh...

I guess this is one more way of telling it.

No, there is a difference. It's like, when I go to smoke on the back yard in the morning and I know there's nothing special I am going to do that day, I can either feel really bored, or I can watch the leaves coming down from the trees. Either way I am doing the same thing but if I concentrate on how I will not get any good vibes today, I will feel worse than if I am content with not having bad vibes.

[Rachelinpa]

I prefer positive energy, but I don't necessarily need it all the time. When I'm on my game, I exert the positive energy myself until it catches on with the people I am around. It usually does.

[EvanTheClown]

I'm a fountain of positive energy that whores out this resource in abundance, and is most comfortable when completely consumed and baptized in it, thus the people around me normally have smiles on their faces.

Though, I'm rather emotional if you can break through my shell to get to that part. I think high F has a lot to do with the absolute necessity for positive energy in NFs

Negative energy is awkward and uncomfortable, and almost always results in conflict. If I'm in a situation with too much conflict, I escape rather than put myself through the torture.

[CaptainChick]

I'm a fountain of positive energy that whores out this resource in abundance, and is most comfortable when completely consumed and baptized in it, thus the people around me normally have smiles on their faces.
Awwww, reading this literally put a HUGE smile on my face!!!

Thanks!

:D

[EvanTheClown]

You're welcome. What are idealists for, other than lots of smileys? :D

[Dwigie]

this is why I love extraverted nfs :D they make my day. But it's always easier to make someone smile than to make yourself get out of a negative phase in my opinion.

[Travo7]

Not wanting to change the subject, but it seems related in a way.

Does anyone ever get really "bad, angry, nasty vibes" from someone, to the point where you want to leave, but then your imagination "gives" you a possible reason(maybe an emotional insight or understanding, not that you know exactly what's happening) why that person is feeling/acting the way they are, and then their face changes suddenly and you can see their "inner pain/conflict" and then want to be their best friend?

I'm not crazy...even though I probably sound nuts. :D

[EvanTheClown]

I agreed with your post until "and then want to be their best friend"

Replace that with "and then want to shove a pepsi can down their throat" and I agree wholeheartedly. Just because I can empathize with somebody's conflict doesn't give them an excuse to be a douche and spawn negative energy.

[Hmm]

Maybe but to me as an outsider it looks that SF's feelings are more shallow so they can change their state more quickly.

Can't speak for any other SF's but personally I don't do well with negative energy at all. It's just that I'm not prone to whining about it and so I bottle it up. I don't quite know how to fix that yet.

[Apollanaut]

Not wanting to change the subject, but it seems related in a way.

Does anyone ever get really "bad, angry, nasty vibes" from someone, to the point where you want to leave, but then your imagination "gives" you a possible reason(maybe an emotional insight or understanding, not that you know exactly what's happening) why that person is feeling/acting the way they are, and then their face changes suddenly and you can see their "inner pain/conflict" and then want to be their best friend?

I'm not crazy...even though I probably sound nuts. :D

Yeah, I do get this sometimes.

[Travo7]

I agreed with your post until "and then want to be their best friend"

Replace that with "and then want to shove a pepsi can down their throat" and I agree wholeheartedly. Just because I can empathize with somebody's conflict doesn't give them an excuse to be a douche and spawn negative energy.

Well, I agree with you. Nobody should just be a dick for no reason, and maybe if this person was a dick to someone else and not me, I would want to shove a pepsi can down their throat. But, as the "dickiness" was directed towards me, I guess I was able to feel strong enough to take it and look past it.

But yeah, I guess "be their best friend" was a little too strong there. What I meant was the "imagined reason" was strong enough to change my initial reaction from that of repulse to more of an embracing sort of mercy, despite the person being a dick to me a few moments earlier.

[Antisocial one]

No, there is a difference. It's like, when I go to smoke on the back yard in the morning and I know there's nothing special I am going to do that day, I can either feel really bored, or I can watch the leaves coming down from the trees. Either way I am doing the same thing but if I concentrate on how I will not get any good vibes today, I will feel worse than if I am content with not having bad vibes.

Yes there is a differnce and I am trying to see why this difference is so importannt.

From want I see my observation was correct.

Now it is time for more abstract part.


Why you want to stay away from negative energy at "all cost"?

What is actally this negative energy for you?

[Kyrielle]

Why you want to stay away from negative energy at "all cost"?

What is actally this negative energy for you?

It depletes energy. It's like a black hole into which effort, time, and enthusiasm are sucked. It's not cost-effective. It's inefficient. It spreads like a virus. Generally, negative energy leads to poor productiveness.

You can imagine it like a pair of machines. One machine runs on a very clean, efficient fuel that also is able to oil the gears and keep the machine going indefinitely with very few repairs. The other runs on a fuel that burns, smells horribly, makes the machine groan and squeak, it needs to constantly be refilled, the waste needs dumping somewhere safe but ends up leaking everywhere no matter what you do, and the machine ends up falling apart in a few years so why bother to maintain it. That would be positive and negative energy respectively.

So, you could consider those energies like those two different types of fuel and the behaviour of the machines as the behaviour of myself when interacting with either one.

[CaptainChick]

Negative energy is indicative of negative, (at times even tangible), things.

Don't get me wrong, there have been plenty of times where I have walked into an "empty" space, and by empty I mean vacant of people, and have felt a distinct sense or vibe of negative energy, I cannot explain why this happens, or what triggers it, but the feeling is strong enough for me to leave that place and never come back.

However, usually when I feel negative energy it is in a social environment, where something is just off, where I am either surrounded by insidiously angry/hateful people or by a disjointed group where some type of fight will emerge.

Being in a positive environment is, as I stated earlier, just awesome.

It resonates with good vibes and general feelings of love, and due to this, is conducive to good times.

:D

[nolla]

Why you want to stay away from negative energy at "all cost"?

What is actally this negative energy for you?

I don't know would I say "at all cost", but staying in good mental health is one of my main concerns. And I know what happens when I have no choice but to live in a negative atmosphere. It drains me, I will have no energy for anything but maybe routine. And I can't help but to think that it effects me differently than the other types of people. Every time there is an argument that has turned away from the issue and started to be about hurting the other person, I can feel the anxiety in my chest, even if I wasn't part of the argument in any way. So, I usually leave those situations. But, if I think they are going to get physical, I can't leave because I worry about them. So, not at any cost...

For me negative energy is mainly about other people. Certain individuals or certain behavior. I can also feel down if I don't have enough variety in my life, but that is more like a long-term negative energy... and variety for me doesn't mean that I do something dramatic all the time. Like skipping countries or something.

[Apollanaut]

Why you want to stay away from negative energy at "all cost"?

What is actally this negative energy for you?

I have a good example of the sort of negative energy that affects me most.

Last night I went with my partner to visit his elderly mother in her rest home. We took along her toy poodle, Sammy, who we now look after. She was in such a crabby, negative, critical mood that by the time we left we both felt utterly drained to the core. I felt it starting to happen during the visit and did my "energy projection" thing, but she just vacuumed that up in a trice.

After we left I noticed that Sammy the dog was also hanging his head down. I said to my partner: "Look! She's even managed to suck all of the joy out of Sammy!".

To be fair, she isn't always like this and she has had a terrible year healthwise, culiminating in her moving to the rest home. But when she's in a bad mood, her energy-sucking powers rival that of Count Dracula himself!

I think she is an ISFJ, by the way.

[Neo Genesis]

I'd have to agree with CaptainChick. I just feel so uncomfortable when other people project out their negative vibes, and as a result I mostly tend to withdraw within myself more. Warm, happy vibes definitely allow me more freedom to be myself, which can be a great boost on a rather poor day.

[Antisocial one]

Very interesting all of you are talking about people.

No one talks about negtive events/facts.

[Little Linguist]

Very intereting all of you are talking about people.

No one talks about negtive events/facts.

No need to talk about facts. Facts are facts.

[nolla]

No one talks about negtive events/facts.

Negative events...? I don't remember any negative events that didn't include other people. Do you mean like... I walk down the street, fall down and break my leg? I would feel a bit angry to myself to be so clumsy, but I would accept the fact that I have a cast now for a month and get on with it.

[Antisocial one]

I mean things like vulcanic eruptions , tsunamies , earthquakes ..... and stuff like that.

There is no human cause but there is a lot of dead people.

[Apollanaut]

I mean things like vulcanic eruptions , tsunamies , earthquakes ..... and stuff like that.

There is no human cause but there is a lot of dead people.

Those things do create massive amounts of so-called "negative energy", but deliberately created disasters are worse. When I visited Ground Zero in New York a few years ago the air palpably shimmered with the power of what had occurred there. I could only stand it for a brief period before I had to escape.

[nolla]

Oh, that kind of stuff. Hmm... I still dont remember anything.

[EvanTheClown]

Negative events really have no impact on me unless its directly related to me (as in a family member dying).

I remember acting entirely normal during the entire 9/11 frenzy.

But you put me near someone who antagonizes against a good group laugh and tries to steal the conversation for purposes of subjects nobody's interested in just for their own self-benefit of things THEY want to talk about with little regard of others, and I'm deeply furious.

[Antisocial one]

So, it is all about people. (more or less)

[Anja]

For me it's mostly about people. But there are also places which I don't feel comfortable. Specific, rather than general. There are a couple of shops which I don't patronize anymore because the vibes are uncomfortble to me. Nothing overt. Just the general atmosphere.

There are also sites in RL which seem to vibrate with negative energy to me.

I do need a lot of positive behaviors around me to stay at optimum performance and if I don't have enough of that I create it. If I can't succeed in turning negative situations to my comfort I tend to move on.

It's a matter of staying healthy.

[Lizzy1813]

Yesterday was an all-negative-energy-feeling day for me.

:boohoo:

I was NOT a happy camper. My whole personality shriveled up like a raisin, and I just felt depressed. On days like those, I just try to get to bed as quickly as possible and start over again!

[Antisocial one]

Can someone explain why neative energy is dangerous for NFs ?

[Viv]

I don't mind negativity/cynicism- sometimes there are issues that are just *reality,* something that we as humans need to face.

My motto: Ignorance is NOT bliss.

If the people around me are pessismistic/are valid in their reasoning, I don't mind.

However, if people are negative- like overbearingly obnoxious (know-it-alls), yah.. I tend to back away. People like that 'try' to come off rational, when in fact, they're really irrational/always have to try to prove they're smart or always right in some way.. to me, it's just a cover-up. Truly confident/smart people don't always have to try to *prove* themselves to others. They're more humble than that.

[Anja]

Can someone explain why neative energy is dangerous for NFs ?


I don't know if I can, Antisocial one, but I can state a belief.

I think negative energy is harmful to all living things. INFPs are one type which is more aware of its existence and sensitive to it.

[EvanTheClown]

Can someone explain why neative energy is dangerous for NFs ?

This is as best as I can explain it.
NF = intuitive feeling = in tune with feelings of ourselves and others
negative energy = bad mojo for ourselves and others
we feel that shit.

[Into It]

This post is based on observation.


To me it look like that many NFs need alot of positive energy to be around them. This works more for ENFs then INFs but INFs are probably better in hidding of this need.

It looks to me that things that are negative can hurt them a lot from the outside or the inside and thery is always some need to be more positive in life and about life.

Can anyone relate to this or explain the need?

NF's are naturally accommodating because they absorb the emotions of others. In order to be perfectly content, therefore, there needs to be no negativity in the immediate environment. As far as positivity about life in general, I do not know about this, I would rather hang out with realistics, rationals, skeptics, in a search for truth of life rather than the glossy version of life.

[CaptainChick]

This is as best as I can explain it.
NF = intuitive feeling = in tune with feelings of ourselves and others
negative energy = bad mojo for ourselves and others
we feel that shit.
Lol, I so couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Agreed!!!

:D

[ixquic_creation]

Not wanting to change the subject, but it seems related in a way.

Does anyone ever get really "bad, angry, nasty vibes" from someone, to the point where you want to leave, but then your imagination "gives" you a possible reason(maybe an emotional insight or understanding, not that you know exactly what's happening) why that person is feeling/acting the way they are, and then their face changes suddenly and you can see their "inner pain/conflict" and then want to be their best friend?

I'm not crazy...even though I probably sound nuts. :D



Hahahaha! :D

Yes.

If you're nuts, then I'm nuts.

[Viv]

I guess it would really depend on the person.. Sometimes, when I have really negative co-workers, I tend to turn the situation around, and they become eerily positive, which is OK knowing that I had some effect on them.

I just accept people for the way they are. If I don't like the vibes I get from them/they're constantly negative, I still keep a friendly face, but keep my distance.

[animenagai]

travo7, i imagine reasons for everything, more than just social situations. i can imagine the good parts about being in a job. about a chick i hardly know, heck i've done it with a chick that rejected me multiple times. it's just the negatives that come with being an ENFP.

[Antisocial one]

I have one more question.
NFs say that they feel about things and that is their default state.
Form this thread it looks that you need positive atmosphere to function properly.


So here is the question:

What is the efect of this music on you?
Listening to first 30 second is enough to get the point.


Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepUQTjEEg4&feature=related)

[Into It]

I have one more question.
NFs say that they feel about things and that is their default state.
Form this thread it looks that you need positive atmosphere to function properly.


So here is the question:

What is the efect of this music on you?
Listening to first 30 second is enough to get the point.


Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepUQTjEEg4&feature=related)

I had to turn it off after 20 seconds because I was too terrified.
I just couldn't handle the vibe. Ha-ha!


This question is very funny (but interesting and legitimate.) As far as "positive atmosphere" goes, I think what an ENF really desires is harmonic emotions with the actual people involved. The music is just music. Most of the music I've written has some sort of morose undertone, but I enjoy playing it for people because it strikes chords in everyone at the same time. So I don't think music like this would cause any problems for ENF's, at least it doesn't seem that way to me. This question may apply to INFP's a little more, but I thought it was a real hoot. What does this music do for you?

[Kyrielle]

So here is the question:

What is the efect of this music on you?
Listening to first 30 second is enough to get the point.


Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepUQTjEEg4&feature=related)

Probably couldn't just sit and listen to it while doing nothing (then again I can't really do that with any music). Not because I feel different. It's just boring to listen to. However, I can see how it would work well while I'm working on something or am otherwise distracted. I suppose I would listen to it while drawing something dark and spooky, not while I'm drawing sunshine and flowers (unless something dark and spooky would be going on a moment later).

It probably doesn't help that I immediately know it's for Doom 3, so I end up imagining being a bad ass and blowing up evil nasty things.

But for me, music helps set the mood for whatever activity I'm doing. Inevitably, I move to the beat and infuse some of the mood of the song into the activity.

[hugin]

I have one more question.
NFs say that they feel about things and that is their default state.
Form this thread it looks that you need positive atmosphere to function properly.


So here is the question:

What is the efect of this music on you?
Listening to first 30 second is enough to get the point.


Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepUQTjEEg4&feature=related)

That brought back a lot of good memories.
I like e1m6 and e1m7 better.

[Antisocial one]

I had to turn it off after 20 seconds because I was too terrified.
I just couldn't handle the vibe. Ha-ha!


This question is very funny (but interesting and legitimate.) As far as "positive atmosphere" goes, I think what an ENF really desires is harmonic emotions with the actual people involved. The music is just music. Most of the music I've written has some sort of morose undertone, but I enjoy playing it for people because it strikes chords in everyone at the same time. So I don't think music like this would cause any problems for ENF's, at least it doesn't seem that way to me. This question may apply to INFP's a little more, but I thought it was a real hoot. What does this music do for you?

Nothing really, probably becuse my T(which is very strong) is blocking this vibe you speak of.
I have choosen this music becuse I was thinking that here the difference between us is more obvious.


This is the music from one video game I used to play a lot when I was a kid.
(actually I still do).

It probably doesn't help that I immediately know it's for Doom 3, so I end up imagining being a bad ass and blowing up evil nasty things.

No it is not for DOOM3 it is improved DOOM I music.

[PinkIceTD]

This is as best as I can explain it.
NF = intuitive feeling = in tune with feelings of ourselves and others
negative energy = bad mojo for ourselves and others
we feel that shit.

Yeah we do feel it. I can take it one step further to say that beyond feeling it, we (or maybe just me) start trying to figure out why its there, what can we (or I) do to make it go away or better. Or if i have to just get out of the environment there is a feeling of "What could I have done to make it better'

[PinkIceTD]

I mean things like vulcanic eruptions , tsunamies , earthquakes ..... and stuff like that.

There is no human cause but there is a lot of dead people.

Yeah but those things aren't negative in themselves, its nature. What makes them negative are the emotions of people surrounding them. For example, if someone has died as a result of a volcano, then people are sad because of the loss therefore people begin think volcano= death. And the thought of a volcano eruption immediately evokes fear, thus the negative energy.

[sanveane]

I have one more question.
NFs say that they feel about things and that is their default state.
Form this thread it looks that you need positive atmosphere to function properly.


So here is the question:

What is the efect of this music on you?
Listening to first 30 second is enough to get the point.


Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uepUQTjEEg4&feature=related)

I was fine with it, though I didn't find it particularly dark? I quite like intensity though. So I don't really turn away from things sometimes just because I get a bad vibe. Long-term conflict when I can't remove myself from it is about the only "bad vibe" situation I find very difficult to handle.

[Kyrielle]

No it is not for DOOM3 it is improved DOOM I music.

Ah.

[epsilon72]

What can one do for an INFP that seems intent on avoiding a good deal of 'positive energy', and ends up focusing on the negative, more often than not?

[EvanTheClown]

enroll him/her into therapy, thats just not normal.