MBTI and drug use.

[ajblaise]

I'd be interested in seeing if there are any correlations between type and drug use. Not alcohol/caffeine/tobacco, they don't count. I wanted to make each MBTI type in the poll, but there is a limit, so I am doing the functions individually.

I was going to make the poll public, but, I guess it will get more votes if it's anonymous.

[Antisocial one]

I am INTJ and I have never used any illegal drugs.

I don't even use legal ones.

[V Profane]

I'd be interested in seeing if there are any correlations between type and drug use.

Predictions?

[Bella]

used to

[mlittrell]

generalization (type tend to gravitate towards):

SJ -> alcohol
SP -> weed, lsd maybe
NF -> lsd, weed maybe, i see a lot of INFJs that like to drink...a lot
NT -> caffeine, nicotine

these are of course not defined in anyway and quite vague

[LucrativeSid]

I used to do a lot different drugs as a teenager. I think it had more to do with my environment and upbringing than it did my type, though. Where I was from, it was quite the standard thing to do. My older brother smoked weed with me for the first time when I was 11. Just about all of my friends, my brothers friends, and all of the people I randomly met or hung out with did drugs, too. I'm not blaming my environment or upbringing, I'd just say it played a significant part in my drug usage. I'm drug free now, but I don't regret the fun I had back then. Two of my friends died from overdoses a few years after I left the drugs behind, and many more of them still have addiction problems.


This may be too much information, but I feel compelled to share. It's something I know a lot about.

If I was to hypothesize which types are more inclined to use drugs, the four E--P types would be at the top of my list.

[Aimahn]

I've experimented a little bit. Smoked my fair share of weed, vicodin a couple of times, xanex but basically just weed. Pain killers were interesting at first but not really something to fuck around with with any consistency, probably the only reason I did them was because I don't have a consistent source if I did it would be a whole other story. It's actually kind of funny as soon as I started taking my ADD medication I didn't feel the urge to just get high or seek fun in the form of drugs really at all. I basically stopped smoking weed and drank a lot less, I still smoke occasionally now( a couple of times a month), but not on the stoner smoke everyday path I was on for a while.

[OneWithSoul]

Even though I'm young, I can't say I have ever used a drug, or even drank..and I don't plan on using drugs ever.

[Magic Poriferan]

I am INTJ and I have never used any illegal drugs.

I don't even use legal ones.

Way to go, soul brotha.

[Beat]

I like alcohol but I don't drink that often. Maybe once a week at most. Other than that I've never been involved in regular drug use.

[EvanTheClown]

I've most definitely been involved in all sorts of drug use, unfortunately.

Question: do we get to vote 4 times or something to hit all of our personality letters, or what? I'm not understanding how I should cast my vote other than Yes

[disregard]

You check E, N, F, P for "yes"

[substitute]

I'd be pretty surprised to find an ExxP who hadn't...

[Little Linguist]

Ehhhh, nahhhh no illegal drugs. No legal ones either, except caffeine. Ehhh, that's a problem. Coffee. Tea. DOH! :shock:

Eh, Substitute, sorry to rain on your parade, hon, but I'm telling the truth. Should I hide my head in shame? ;)

But when I drink too much caffeine, I act like I'm on drugs, so maybe that counts!!!!!!!!!! :D

[EvanTheClown]

Caffeine's a horribly addicting drug *sips dr. pepper*

[Little Linguist]

Caffeine's a horribly addicting drug *sips dr. pepper*

Dude. Seriously. Good thing it's not regulated. :coffee: :D

[EvanTheClown]

I have to remember that caffeine is a drug, because its so normal for me to be heavily caffeinated. Its most absolutely my drug of choice

[AwesomeCakes]

*hugs ajblaise* You made a poll after all ^^

[AwesomeCakes]

I smoked pot for 2 years. Then was forced to stop because of probation. I tried it again afterwards and it just wasn't the same. I haven't smoked since.

I've experimented with psilocybin mushrooms before, and had some really awesome trips. Got me back to nature and what was important to me :P That was just my experience though. You really need to be in the right state of mind if for those.

I've known people that have really bad trips and ended up hurting themselves and others. It affected them in a such a way that when they came down all of the negative feelings that they had during the trip stayed with them, and they fell into a deep depression. :S

That's it as far as my experimentation goes.

[Modern Nomad]

wow. intp is the most likely to do drugs?

i mean, what about caffeine? thats a legal drug...

[Beat]

Caffeine's a horribly addicting drug *sips dr. pepper*

Can you seriously feel the effects of caffeine from a Dr. Pepper (or any general soda for that matter)?

[Modern Nomad]

I've experimented with psilocybin mushrooms before, and had some really awesome trips. Got me back to nature and what was important to me :P That was just my experience though. You really need to be in the right state of mind if for those.


trees are cool. lol

[Kanamori]

INTJ, pretty epic use... all of the ones you'd think of and then a bunch.

[AwesomeCakes]

trees are cool. lol

:laugh: *sigh* Memmmmories!

edit: *ahem* I drink about 2 energy drinks per day, and get serious withdraw headaches when I go without one. :/

[EvanTheClown]

Can you seriously feel the effects of caffeine from a Dr. Pepper (or any general soda for that matter)?

I used to drink 7 two-liters a day.

Things I've learned from this:
Mountain Dew has the most caffeine in it out of any regular brand soda
Barqs is the only caffeinated root beer.

[Magic Poriferan]

wow. intp is the most likely to do drugs?

i mean, what about caffeine? thats a legal drug...

You have to consider the severe distortion of these poll results. INTPs are also the most likely to not take drugs, apparently. The reason is because there are way more INTPs here than any other type. They will presumably get a higher score.

A more accurate approach would be to make an individual poll for each type, so you could get the average of that specific type's response. It would be really tedious, though, and hurt by the fact that some types would provide very small sample sizes.

[Edahn]

I think NTs would be drawn to psychedelics because they're intellectual drugs and they can calm people down. I've tried a bunch of stuff, but I really only enjoyed pot and shrooms.

[Edahn]

You have to consider the severe distortion of these poll results. INTPs are also the most likely to not take drugs, apparently. The reason is because there are way more INTPs here than any other type. They will presumably get a higher score.

A more accurate approach would be to make an individual poll for each type, so you could get the average of that specific type's response. It would be really tedious, though, and hurt by the fact that some types would provide very small sample sizes.

Or just compare within functions, e.g., how many Is said yes and how many said no? But yeah, you're right about the interpretation.

[Kora]

Nah. Just alcohol.

[substitute]

Hm... polls of this nature on this site aren't too helpful, because there are some types greatly overrepresented and others underrepresented. This obviously produces misleading results that don't really mean much in RL...

[neofrizz]

Relatively clean INFP. I understand far too well where I might end up.

[neofrizz]

I used to drink 7 two-liters a day.

Things I've learned from this:
Mountain Dew has the most caffeine in it out of any regular brand soda
Barqs is the only caffeinated root beer.


:huh:
That's highly unlikely. Unless of course, you were making bathroom stops every 10 minutes... the human body is only supposed to hold a half a liter or so at a time. If we break down from your proposed 14 liters a day, 24 hours leaves you with 583 ml per hour. I don't have any stats on how fast that sort of thing moves through your body, but I imagine you would be spending the majority of your time flushing the superbowl.

[EvanTheClown]

I felt bloated constantly during that time period, and backed off to about 2-4 two-liters a day for the most part, sometimes more, sometimes less.

I don't really care about the science behind it, I just know how much was going into my body. Feel free to disbelieve as much as you want.

[scantilyclad]

i have never done an illegal drug and have never felt the urge to. I have never smoked and i drink alcohol maybe once every month, sometimes even less than that.

[millerm277]

Not interested in the illegal drugs. I have zero desire to alter my mind, so to speak. Caffeine is useless for me, does nothing for keeping me awake. I've had multiple family members die from lung cancer caused by tobacco, so it's an automatic no. Alcohol is fine, although getting drunk isn't something I'm interested in doing often...

[entropie]

I guess, when you live life for the journey and not journey to live life, you will inevitably come to the point, discussed here.

When you by then choose to explore this path, it needs a strong mind to restore yourself from drugs and even if you succeed, you will be changed afterwards.

I explored this path and it brought me into a blind alley, where I would have been unable to continue my journey from.

So I ended it.

I still carry around a lot of experience from that time and I havent lost my fear of loosing my mind within the journey, so I never did something more than marijuana.

Today I bear an even greater fear of loosing my mind, so my ambitions towards drug abuse have grown quite slim. Gonna see, where the journey will lead.

[Trinity]

generalization (type tend to gravitate towards):

SJ -> alcohol
SP -> weed, lsd maybe
NF -> lsd, weed maybe, i see a lot of INFJs that like to drink...a lot
NT -> caffeine, nicotine

these are of course not defined in anyway and quite vague

*weighs up options, becomes SJ*

Nah, I'm an INT that never got into drugs.

[ZiL]

No illegal drugs yet. Just haven't gotten around to it. The only time I've been around people with weed, it was out in the open in a park and I was too paranoid - wouldn't have enjoyed it.

Now, if we want to talk about caffeine, I am pretty much off the scale. At least two large cups of coffee per day (guess that'd translate to like 4 or 5 coffee cups worth) or at least two cups of diet Sunkist. I'm trying to wean myself off the diet drinks and on to coffee though. If I don't get caffeine by like 12pm, I can guarantee you it will be an AWFUL day. Headaches...it's like some kind of hangover.

[V Profane]

No illegal drugs yet. Just haven't gotten around to it. The only time I've been around people with weed, it was out in the open in a park and I was too paranoid - wouldn't have enjoyed it.

You were right to save it for a more appropriate moment. Never do a drug in an uncomfortable situation.

[whatever]

I have tried a variety of drugs out of curiosity- they tended to succeed in making me sleepy or nauseus, so I stick with the caffeine/nicotine/alcohol set ;)

[Didums]

I used to drink 7 two-liters a day.

Things I've learned from this:
Mountain Dew has the most caffeine in it out of any regular brand soda
Barqs is the only caffeinated root beer.

I was basically a Mountain Dew addict at one point, 2 liters a day every day. Its still the best drink ever, though I drink it a lot less :(

Supernova, Voltage, or Revolution? (testing you)

[Jack Flak]

Few things, nothin' regular, and never even considered shit like crack or heroin. Bad news.

[Dwigie]

Tried just yesterday:
why?=> I was curious to understand what the hype was all about, I did not feel pressured. I just wanted to..."discover?/understand"?I must say I really enjoyed it actually.o.O But...Not going to do it again any time soon because I only smoked two puffs and that got me high..for ...30 minutes..or less..or more, I was at a birthday party? I drank too but I am not an abuser=> I'm a "taster?" I don't see myself abusing substances simply because I can easily "throw things" away, I drank one sip of something and something else and that's all. I did resist peer pressure during my entire high school life but my virulent resistance turned into curiosity=>what in the world was that hype all about? Now it's done, case closed.
People love to dramatize things though, they think people turn into addicts after the first "puff,sip?".

[GZA]

I havn't done any drugs.

The only thing I would predict is that people with strong "Ni" like mushrooms and holucinogens, only because some of my friends who vaguely fit the Ni description like them a lot, while my friends that don't fit the Ni description don't like them.

[EvanTheClown]

Dwigie, experimenting with drugs isn't bad, everybody is curious... Its once the experiment is over are you a user or non-user, and thats where the social stigma comes in.

Not doing it again is a good decision.

[Beat]

I used to drink 7 two-liters a day.


wtf.

[Nighthawk]

The only drug I abuse somewhat regularly is alcohol. I do have a fair number of prescriptions drugs that I use regularly, for various chronic ailments. I have experimented with other drugs, mostly after my time in the military and frequent drug tests. None of them really appealed to me, so I did not stick with them. I might have stuck with marijuana, but I don't like smoking anything except hookah. Too lazy to try baking it. So ... I'm sticking to alcohol.

[ZiL]

I used to drink 7 two-liters a day.

Things I've learned from this:
Mountain Dew has the most caffeine in it out of any regular brand soda
Barqs is the only caffeinated root beer.

Wa-hey! That is serious business right there. Excuse me for mentioning the obvious, but you must have had to pee. Like all the time.

[Dwigie]

I think I should mention something about...drinking and such and cultures because I think there can be wildly different approaches to it.
Ex:
In my country..we drink all the time, I won't lie, it's really a social thing. nobody drinks because they're "depressed"(on second thought, here too no?Probably just a stereotype), it's the opposite actually.
drinking has a very different connotation.
To be honest I was surprised when I saw that drinking was supposed to be cool for teenagers my age..I guess they like the fact it's "forbidden" to them. It's not forbidden for us where I come from, heck we brew beer with whatever with got, even bananas. Yes they make banana wine where I come from and everyone drinks it, we just don't get really "wasted" as often as people here.

[evan]

Gonna be hard to make sense of the poll results, since the sample is hugely biased.

Anyways, yes, I've done drugs regularly before.

[Mitzy]

yay for psychedelics haha

i drink and ive tried a lot of drugs..its fun and all but i dont really care for them
it annoys me when people become attached

[iwakar]

I am INTJ and I have never used any illegal drugs.

I don't even use legal ones.

Ditto.

It's hip to be square.


Doon-doon-duh-doo-doo-doon.

[Uberfuhrer]

I don't do drugs and I don't smoke. In fact, I rarely remember to take my prescription meds.

Although I'm sure if I was recreational drug using situation, I would try it once, twice if I like it.

[ThePenIsMightier]

I smoke pretty regularly. Definatly enjoy the feeling but it's more it'll turn my inner muse on to an increadable level. I always end up making something new in the kitchen or writing a poem or short story. I can do those things normally, but it just kicks my creative side into overdrive. I've also done shrooms and I'm really curious about LSD. Outside of those three, I'm not gonna touch it.

I do drink as well, but almost always just on weekends.

[Uberfuhrer]

Wait, shouldn't video games qualify as a drug? I think so.

[Didums]

Wait, shouldn't video games qualify as a drug? I think so.

They can produce results as if they are drugs (dependence, escape mechanism, etc), but in this case I think we are talking about Substances.

[Metamorphosis]

I'd be interested in seeing if there are any correlations between type and drug use. Not alcohol/caffeine/tobacco, they don't count. I wanted to make each MBTI type in the poll, but there is a limit, so I am doing the functions individually.

I was going to make the poll public, but, I guess it will get more votes if it's anonymous.

Are you trying to see what types try drugs or what types are willing to break the law to do it? Just curious because of your dismissial of alcohol, caffeine, and tobacco.

I've tried marijuana (not regularly) but I haven't tried anything else mostly because I haven't decided on a career yet and some require polygraph tests. ;)

But I probably wouldn't try uppers just because of my experience with caffeine.

[EvanTheClown]

I think this thread should be split up into 2 threads, like how the "one night stand content" threads have male only and female only... this one should be "yes i've used only" and "no i've not used" only that way the polls can declare all 16 individual personality types rather than misleading individual letter references

[Argus2968]

the real question is, which drug is most APPEALING to which type. not which type is most likely to do which drug.


*NTP - DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) would probably be at the top of the list for "most appealing". DMT is by far the most dissociative hallucinogen. It's the only drug that can completely take you out of reality.

ESFJ - Ecstasy. It's a touchy feely drug. ESF's would love it. NT's have higher things on their priority list.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

Here is a format that sheds a little more light on the current poll results.

I: 27/62 = 43.55% Yes
E: 13/19 = 68.42% Yes
N: 31/67 = 46.27% Yes
S: 5/10 = 50% Yes
T: 22/41 = 53.66% Yes
F: 13/37 = 35.14% Yes
P: 25/52 = 48.08% Yes
J: 9/23 = 39.13% Yes

According to the results so far the trait most correlated with drug use is extraversion, while the trait least correlated with drug use is feeling. The type most likely to experiment with drugs is ESTP, while the type least likely is INFJ.

[kyuuei]

ENFP
Never have or will use illegal drugs. Interesting responses though!! A mere 7 E's said no?? These statistics are very awesome to look at, great thread.

[naymornings]

INTP likes the drug use ehhh?

I would be interested to know more on what kind of drugs as most often used by personality type.
I would guess NTP's would like hallucinogens - either shrooms, dmt like mentioned, peyote, ayahuasca, etc.
Maybe that is just me though... I would think willingness to experiment would play a huge role in this, as the question said, "have you at one time."
i would definitely guess F types liking pills more - ecstasy especially.
hmm.

[evan]

the real question is, which drug is most APPEALING to which type. not which type is most likely to do which drug.


*NTP - DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) would probably be at the top of the list for "most appealing". DMT is by far the most dissociative hallucinogen. It's the only drug that can completely take you out of reality.

ESFJ - Ecstasy. It's a touchy feely drug. ESF's would love it. NT's have higher things on their priority list.

It is true that all the NTPs I know have been kinda into hallucinogens, but none of them as much as I. The only other person I know that's tried DMT (besides myself) is an ENTJ. I've had a few conversations with random hallucinogen junkies around berkeley (duh) and they actually seem much more NF than NT. The people that take it compulsively are searching for MEANING.


According to the results so far the trait most correlated with drug use is extraversion, while the trait least correlated with drug use is feeling. The type most likely to experiment with drugs is ESTP, while the type least likely is INFJ.

Least likely? Funny (I know these results don't really say much anyway...)

I'm the biggest druggie I know (most of it took place in my first two years of college); the only big name drugs I haven't tried are crack and mescaline (although, I would definitely do mescaline if it was around...)

[The_Liquid_Laser]

Least likely? Funny (I know these results don't really say much anyway...)

I'm the biggest druggie I know (most of it took place in my first two years of college); the only big name drugs I haven't tried are crack and mescaline (although, I would definitely do mescaline if it was around...)

When hearing statistics one must always keep in mind that what is true for a group is not necessarily true for a given individual in that group.

Of course you are right that we need some more E types and (especially) S types to answer before we can draw any broad conclusion. I personally am comfortable concluding for now that F types are the least likely to experiment with drugs, since a fairly good amount of F's have responded, although I recognize this poll is not conducted scientifically.

[Victor]

Alcohol is the poor man's mysticism.

And illegal drugs, we were told, were the key to the inner life, and even to spirituality.

But there is a sucker born every minute. And no end to the gullible.

Even the Ancient Romans said, "The vulgar love to be deceived - deceived let them be".

And it is true twenty-three hundred years ago as it is today.

Drugs are dirt cheap - for the cheap and the vulgar and the gullible - just as MBTI is for the gullible.

So it is no surprise to find the correlation between drugs and MBTI, as they serve the same purpose.

[Jack Flak]

LOL

[Bella]

Alcohol is the poor man's mysticism.

And illegal drugs, we were told, were the key to the inner life, and even to spirituality.

But there is a sucker born every minute. And no end to the gullible.

Even the Ancient Romans said, "The vulgar love to be deceived - deceived let them be".

And it is true twenty-three hundred years ago as it is today.

Drugs are dirt cheap - for the cheap and the vulgar and the gullible - just as MBTI is for the gullible.

So it is no surprise to find the correlation between drugs and MBTI, as they serve the same purpose.






I agree, mostly. (MBTI does significantly less harm)

[01011010]

I drink occasionally. Never smoked a cigarette or tried any drugs.

[Victor]

I agree, mostly. (MBTI does significantly less harm)

So I am curious.

If you see drugs and MBTI as qualitatively the same, why do you follow MBTI?

[Bella]

So I am curious.

If you see drugs and MBTI as qualitatively the same, why do you follow MBTI?

Because I'm as pathetic as the next needy person. ;)


( I see them as being the same in the sense that both might be pursued to fill a void, but like I said, MBTI doesn't do the damage drugs do, and therefore is at least a step up. IMHO.)

[entropie]

Because I'm as pathetic as the next needy person. ;)


( I see them as being the same in the sense that both might be pursued to fill a void, but like I said, MBTI doesn't do the damage drugs do, and therefore is at least a step up. IMHO.)

Wow, I just read this. You are really an outstanding SJ.

I hope you will thrive for security in your life, as I hope for everyone, because it is needed. And I hope you will never forget about the void

[Yazoo]

Hello there!:hi:

I'm not really much of a drug user, but I have experimented with recreational drugs, namely Ecstasy and Marijuana. Ecstasy mainly because I had always been fascinated with how it effects mood and perspective, and curiosity regarding euphoria and its supposed positive psychological effects - and each time I have had it, I've loved it (but wouldn't do it regularly). Marijuana because pretty much everyone does it. I enjoy it very occasionally, but the fact that it is demotivating and doesn't really do all that much kinda makes me rather blah about it.

The whole subject of recreational substances and how they effect the human brain fascinates me, and this would probably be behind any personal experimentation rather than to simply get trashed.

I wonder if one MBTI type is more likely to experiment with drugs than others, and for what reasons? Or is an N more likely than an S? Or is it an extrovert thing rather than introvert?

Opinions?

[MacGuffin]

Moved from NT Rationale.

SPs are the usual answer.

Oh and I forgot:

INTPs: "Most frequent among college students referred for drug and alcohol violations. Source: MBTI Manual, 1998"

[EvanTheClown]

I think everyone is just as susceptible to get into drugs as the person next to them, but being exposed to drugs as a child or watching your parents go through the struggle would add to the likelihood of you getting into the habit.

Introverts like drugs, it lets them separate themselves from the world
Extroverts like drugs, they can be used in social situations to have all achieve the same likeness of mind (hence why people drink at parties)
Intuitives like drugs, because their likelihood to try new things gets them to make the first step, and you never know if they'll ever step back
Sensors like drugs, because they affect your senses
Thinkers like drugs, I think moreso uppers than downers because they speed you up, letting you think twice as fast
Feelers like drugs, because they feel good.
Perceivers like drugs, because they change your view on the world. its different and its new to those who have never tried it.
Judgers like drugs, because self-perceived "responsible" drugging allows you to feel like a kid and be an adult at the same time

[EvanTheClown]

Oh and I forgot:

INTPs: "Most frequent among college students referred for drug and alcohol violations. Source: MBTI Manual, 1998"

Most frequent to get caught for drug and alcohol violations. I dont think it accurately represents the types using them.

[MacGuffin]

Most frequent to get caught for drug and alcohol violations. I dont think it accurately represents the types using them.

I read it as "most likely to let use get out of control in college".

[ajblaise]

Most frequent to get caught for drug and alcohol violations. I dont think it accurately represents the types using them.

Yeah, I got three of those drug/alcohol referral things. I just wasn't cautious enough. I'm not sure if INTPs are anymore careless then other types when it comes to this, but I was.

My first violation was when I was smoking weed with people in a dorm right above an RA, with the windows open. My ENTJ friend got spooked and left 5 minutes before campus police came in.

[FDG]

I don't really do drugs much. I've gotten drunk once or twice, but that's all.

[Yazoo]

Moved from NT Rationale.

SPs are the usual answer.

Oh and I forgot:

INTPs: "Most frequent among college students referred for drug and alcohol violations. Source: MBTI Manual, 1998"

An INTP friend of mine (well, friend may be too strong a term for this guy...), who is a phenomenally talented mathematician got himself into llot of trouble at uni for being an abusive drunk most of the time. He even hit a policeman and ended up spending the night in the cells. I think he wants to actually feel something so much so turns to drink and aggression to vent his frustration. I should mention that he's probably borderline Asperger's, though.



My first violation was when I was smoking weed with people in a dorm right above an RA, with the windows open. My ENTJ friend got spooked and left 5 minutes before campus police came in.

Hehehehe - you can always count on us ENTJS :doh:

[Noel]

Let me preface my response with like you, aj, I too wish an Emporium existed over here like at INTPc. I enjoy reading intp's reactions to other substances as well as reading about other people's experiences on erowid.


I usually have a beer a day and avoid drinking if I'm not in a pleasant mood. A fine beer is like a fine wine.

I smoke weed probably every three to four months. I do not enjoy smoking around others except if they're my core friends (Best friend & my girlfriend). Then for the most part, we go to our prospective computers to listen to music. On the occassion, it's certainly made me feel randy. I don't like to smoke it often nor become psychological dependent on it. Same goes for alcohol regarding the psychological dependency. Also, I feel as if I were to consistently smoke it, its esoteric inducing effect upon me would fade. Naturally, I do not want to lose that. Of course, your mileage may vary.

I tried mushrooms two years ago and had a life altering experience. For the first time in my life, I stared at the abyss for so long that it stared back at me. I triumphed over it by affirming my life as a creator of value. I would like to try them again in the near future.

Other drugs that hold an interest for me are mainly Peyote under the right circumstances and saliva. I'm not a fan of synthetic drugs.

[Yazoo]

I tried mushrooms two years ago and had a life altering experience. For the first time in my life, I stared at the abyss for so long that it stared back at me. I triumphed over it by affirming my life as a creator of value. I would like to try them again in the near future.


This is what I'm driving at when I talk of experimentation (not regular use or dependency) with drugs - I see it as possibly expanding the boundaries of what I see as existence. I would probably try mushrooms and LSD if the opportunity arose.

When you stated that you had a life altering experience, but 'triumphed over it', was that a negative or positive experience?

[Noel]

This is what I'm driving at when I talk of experimentation (not regular use or dependency) with drugs - I see it as possibly expanding the boundaries of what I see as existence. I would probably try mushrooms and LSD if the opportunity arose.

When you stated that you had a life altering experience, but 'triumphed over it', was that a negative or positive experience?

Very positive experience. People, I feel, can understand the notion of 'when you stare into the abyss long enough, it stares back' in a theoretical sense, like I have, but when physically confronted by it's mentally overwhelming. Initially it was terrifying to say the least; I felt sorrow as well as defeat. Yet I recalled values that I held as virtuous and worthy of creation upon the physical world - I strove for excellence and happiness; creating new values; sharpen my will to power. The abyss became not a necessary obstacle but ultimately a choice upon the individual: engage in fatalism or become an active nihilist. I strove for the latter and the abyss dissipated. Tying all that in with the most intellectually stimulating semester I've ever had in college (19th American literature/20th century American literature (The Beats)/Studies in Fiction: Gothic), it was a very insightful experience. I remember closing my eyes and sinking into the ground where I saw Walt Whitman for only a moment, smiling at me. Because of those two in conjunction, Nature's colours radiate a way I've never seen before in my life prior to that experience. So much beauty.

[dyspraxion]

Leftover cough syrup for a couple months. The kind with codeine.

[Amargith]

Chocolate. I didn't like the taste of alcohol, coffee or sigarettes. Didn't dare to do drugs as I know I'm easily addicted to stuff. It's all or nothing, I don't do moderate, so I stay away.

[Yazoo]

Very positive experience. People, I feel, can understand the notion of 'when you stare into the abyss long enough, it stares back' in a theoretical sense, like I have, but when physically confronted by it's mentally overwhelming. Initially it was terrifying to say the least; I felt sorrow as well as defeat. Yet I recalled values that I held as virtuous and worthy of creation upon the physical world - I strove for excellence and happiness; creating new values; sharpen my will to power. The abyss became not a necessary obstacle but ultimately a choice upon the individual: engage in fatalism or become an active nihilist. I strove for the latter and the abyss dissipated. Tying all that in with the most intellectually stimulating semester I've ever had in college (19th American literature/20th century American literature (The Beats)/Studies in Fiction: Gothic), it was a very insightful experience. I remember closing my eyes and sinking into the ground where I saw Walt Whitman for only a moment, smiling at me. Because of those two in conjunction, Nature's colours radiate a way I've never seen before in my life prior to that experience. So much beauty.

Wow. That is a great evocation, Noel. Thanks for sharing.

The influence of substances in great literature and music is profound and so it is unsurprising that it kind of occurs in reverse: substance experience can evoke art and heightens the sensory understanding of it. Of course, there are negative connotations to such experiences, but I do think that this process has been under-explored (in the realms of science and psychology) somewhat, due to the sensationalism in the media attached to any discussion of the subject.

[erinavery]

Very positive experience. People, I feel, can understand the notion of 'when you stare into the abyss long enough, it stares back' in a theoretical sense, like I have, but when physically confronted by it's mentally overwhelming. Initially it was terrifying to say the least; I felt sorrow as well as defeat. Yet I recalled values that I held as virtuous and worthy of creation upon the physical world - I strove for excellence and happiness; creating new values; sharpen my will to power. The abyss became not a necessary obstacle but ultimately a choice upon the individual: engage in fatalism or become an active nihilist. I strove for the latter and the abyss dissipated. Tying all that in with the most intellectually stimulating semester I've ever had in college (19th American literature/20th century American literature (The Beats)/Studies in Fiction: Gothic), it was a very insightful experience. I remember closing my eyes and sinking into the ground where I saw Walt Whitman for only a moment, smiling at me. Because of those two in conjunction, Nature's colours radiate a way I've never seen before in my life prior to that experience. So much beauty.

i can relate to this experience entirely...and although i would never advocate drug use for anybody ever...you have to really know what it is and where it's coming from...and rather or not you could handle it...whatever it is.

but...a long time ago...i've had my share of this sort of life altering experience...that feeling that you have at sunrise when in this state of mind is like no other...and it stays with you always.

[brazil]

is it scary that i checked six different boxes as 'yes' when i responded to that?

[brazil]

i just looked at all the responses... and so far at least, the i/n/p people have overwhelmed everyone else on both the 'yes' and 'no' responses.

but maybe that just says more about those who visit this site more than anything else...

...not that there's anything bad about that.

[Harlow_Jem]

shrooms and lsd are by far my favorites.

[nhx]

I drink, off and on.

I used to be heavily addicted to ephedra; breaking my addiction was in a lot of ways worse than breaking my nicotine addiction.

I smoked a bit of weed and did LSD infrequently throughout high school; I wouldn't be opposed to doing either again (though I'd prefer shrooms over LSD) if the opportunity presented itself. I'd like to see how the experience would differ from my teenage "party" mindset to my current... more self-exploratory mindset.

*NTP - DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) would probably be at the top of the list for "most appealing". DMT is by far the most dissociative hallucinogen. It's the only drug that can completely take you out of reality.

I'd try that. :D

saliva

I'd like to get some of that before they baninate it...