Analyze the Jeffster

[Jeffster]

Since Edahn thinks I don't talk about myself enough, I decided to start another topic all about me! :static:

This one isn't just my random yammerings, though. In fact, I'm mostly turning it over to you, those analysis wonders of MBTIc to examine me based on the window of my personality I have provided being a member on this site. So, tell us about me - you can use MBTI, Keirsey, Enneagram, Big Five, Small Five, High Five, Tarot cards...well, maybe scratch that last one. But don't just post a type with no explanation. Have some concrete evidence to back up your statement that everyone can see.

I'll even help you out by allowing you to ask me any questions you want. Be as specific as you can with them though, I don't like abstract hypothetical questions that have no applicability to real life. Or even internet life. If you want me to paste in any posts I have made on other forums or blogs or other stuff I have written like my poetry or anything like that, feel free to ask, I will do my best to oblige.

Edahn has already voted ISTJ in another thread, but of course he gave no reasons, so I invite him as well to back up his assertion here.

Have fun! :cool:

[dynamiteninja]

I'm inclined to say ISFP, and I'm basing this on the margin titled Jeffster, with the subtitle of "Type" being followed by ISFP n all... :blush:

[Silently Honest]

LOL Edahn's a jerk he threatened to blow up my house and frame me for beating up a cabbie.

[Jack Flak]

I would say ESFP but there are none on the internet.

[Mitzy]

full name and social security number??

i'll tell you all about you :)

[Jeffster]

I'm inclined to say ISFP, and I'm basing this on the margin titled Jeffster, with the subtitle of "Type" being followed by ISFP n all... :blush:

Now that's the way a lazy ISFP would do it. I'm trying to get you to think here, and give a little more effort than that.

[heart]

ISFP

[Jeffster]

full name and social security number??

i'll tell you all about you :)

My first name is Jeffrey and I was born in New Jersey. That's the closest you'll get to an answer to that question.

[Jeffster]

ISFP

Once again, posts like this are useless. My profile already says this. Elaborate or don't bother. :yes:

[Edahn]

Well, unlike most of the people who'll be posting in this thread, I've talked to you in person over Ventrillo. Based on that, I'm going to go with SP or SJ. Definitely not N. That leaves us to E and I, for which I will definitely go with E, based on that fact that you joined 3 months ago and have amassed an impressive ~2000 posts. I have no idea why anyone would think you're an introvert. Between T and F is a tough call for me.

That leaves us with ESFJ, ESTJ, ESFP, and ESTP. I can't rule out any of these with confidence because I have probably only read about 8 of your posts past the part that says "Jeffster." However, your constantly calling attention to yourself (which is not an insult but a fact, or rather, an admission) suggests you're ESFJ, and your post a while back criticizing the mods and admins for not being model citizens and expressing controversial opinions would bolster that suggestion. The ESFJs I know can't tolerate any ingroup deprecation and need lots of validation. I suppose you're not as strong as some other ESFJs on here, so maybe ESfJ

So, my final assessment is ESfJ. Congratulations.

[LadyJaye]

LOL Edahn's a jerk he threatened to blow up my house and frame me for beating up a cabbie.

Typical. He's just jealous of your dashing good looks, and your roommate Cookie.


Jeff, you remind me so much of an ISFP, that every time I watch the Young and The Restless and I see Joshua Marrow, I think, " I'll bet Jeffster is a hotty just like Josh!" Playful, good natured, slightly edgy, relaxed, likes to have sex with his tv wife. lol

[Edahn]

Typical. He's just jealous of your dashing good looks, and your roommate Cookie.

He lives with a prostitute?

[heart]

Once again, posts like this are useless. My profile already says this. Elaborate or don't bother. :yes:

Sorry I ordered a pizza and didn't have the time to elaborate. Anyone who reads your blog can see you are Fi dom so you seem IFP.

[LadyJaye]

He lives with a prostitute?

LOL. Well, she is quite the love monger, and would go home with anyone who picked her up and left with her under their arm.

[heart]

That leaves us to E and I, for which I will definitely go with E, based on that fact that you joined 3 months ago and have amassed an impressive ~2000 posts. I have no idea why anyone would think you're an introvert.

Posting a lot on the internet doesn't seem like a good judge of who is introverted and who is not. It is not the same as offline communication, not as draining. I am way more expressive and communicative online than I am offline.

I see no signs of Fe in Jeffster.

[Silently Honest]

He lives with a prostitute?
Several actually, Cookie, Moonbeam, Starlet, Dazzla, and Edahn.

Speaking of which, where's my money?

[Jeffster]

So, my final assessment is ESfJ. Congratulations.

Thank you, Edahn. You're the first one to actually reply with some substance! :)

You didn't provide any actual quotes or anything, but at least you provided some examples. And hey, I understand not reading my posts, you're a busy man, doing all that evil lawyer stuff you do. I wouldn't want to pull you away from that! :yes:

One thing, though, and I'm not contradicting you here, just asking for the sake of furthering discussion...wouldn't a lot of posts on an internet forum actually be MORE likely from an introvert? It would seem to me that an extrovert would desire more actual in-person contact rather than words on a computer screen.


Jeff, you remind me so much of an ISFP, that every time I watch the Young and The Restless and I see Joshua Marrow, I think, " I'll bet Jeffster is a hotty just like Josh!" Playful, good natured, slightly edgy, relaxed, likes to have sex with his tv wife. lol

I think most of those things apply to me. The last one is just pure speculation, but if I had to guess I would say that I would probably like to have sex with my tv wife.

Sorry I ordered a pizza and didn't have the time to elaborate. Anyone who reads your blog can see you are Fi dom so you seem IFP.

Hey, no problem. I understand that pizza waits for no one! :D

Can you elaborate on the "Fi dom" part, though? Before, you commented that it applied to personal details. But I have actually read details as being a "sensing" trait, and not necessarily a feeling one. So what is the connection to you?

[Trinity]

I will definitely go with E, based on that fact that you joined 3 months ago and have amassed an impressive ~2000 posts.

Why do people equate high post counts with extraversion... it's the internet people, an introvert can go postwhore crazy without leaving their comfort zone :doh:

[Edahn]

Posting a lot on the internet doesn't seem like a good judge of who is introverted and who is not. It is not the same as offline communication, not as draining. I am way more expressive and communicative online than I am offline.

First off, I'm not sure I agree. We could be confusing social anxiety with introversion, which are different things, presumably. The internet's anonymity has a way of evoking people's true selves. To that extent, I think it's a good measure of personality. Second, we don't know what Jeffster is like in real life and have nothing else to really go by except self-reports (which I haven't read). Even a self-report can be misleading and inaccurate, though. Third, I am typing him based on his personality on the forum, rather than his personality in real life, which I again have no access to. Any information we have about how he acts in real life, I'd argue, is not as reliable because it's susceptible to distortion, conscious or unconscious. On the other hand, examining his actual behavior on the forums is not susceptible to that distortion, because it accounts for it. You can make an analogy to hearsay evidence which is problematic for the same reasons.

I see no signs of Fe in Jeffster.

Really? I do.

[bluemonday]

Jeffster is a FOX!

no explanation necessary.

[Jack Flak]

First off, I'm not sure I agree. We could be confusing social anxiety with introversion, which are different things, presumably. The internet's anonymity has a way of evoking people's true selves.
Eh, if you look at actual cases, that doesn't hold true. Introverts are just as active online if not moreso as/than extroverts. It reveals our true thoughts, potentially, but the interface is what distorts personality. Just as heart said, this isn't draining, unlike real life social activity.

[heart]

Third, I am typing him based on his personality on the forum, rather than his personality in real life, which I again have no access to.

That's the same for everyone here. Many people here claiming to be introverts have way higher post counts than extroverts. Social anxiety didn't even come into my equation. I was relating it to how draining a social activity feels based introversion not anxiety.

[sciski]

My first name is Jeffrey and I was born in New Jersey. That's the closest you'll get to an answer to that question.

Irrelevent questions, but:
i) Have you ever been annoyed at other ways to spell Jeffrey, thinking that there Can Only Be One way to spell it?

ii) Do old Jersey cattle in from New Jersey feel an urge to moove? :D

[Edahn]

Thank you, Edahn. You're the first one to actually reply with some substance! :)

You're welcome.

One thing, though, and I'm not contradicting you here, just asking for the sake of furthering discussion...wouldn't a lot of posts on an internet forum actually be MORE likely from an introvert? It would seem to me that an extrovert would desire more actual in-person contact rather than words on a computer screen.


Why do people equate high post counts with extraversion... it's the internet people, an introvert can go postwhore crazy without leaving their comfort zone :doh:

It doesn't EQUATE with high post count (and I didn't say it did) but it's an indication. I'm not saying I have proof that Jeffster is extraverted (and assigning me that burden is illogical), but a high post count would be something you'd expect from an extravert. It's all the reliable evidence I have to go on. There are introverts on this site who post less, and author more concentrated posts. Those are the people I think of when I think classic introvert, not Jeffster. Not to mention, folks, I talked to him online and he wouldn't stop talking. :)

[Jeffster]

Hmm..good points, Edahn.

There are two members of this forum who have actually met me in person, scantilyclad and Tallulah. It would be interesting to get their input. But of course, we only met once for lunch, so I don't how much information that meeting actually provided, especially for scanty who was focused on her young son most of the time, and rightfully so. :)

I've encouraged a co-worker of mine to join up here (she's an INFJ and many of the topics here are right up her alley of discussion) but so far she hasn't. She would obviously be the most qualified to analyze me as she sees me (and talks quite often to me) every weekday and the occasional weekend.

[heart]

Most of the extroverts I know say they don't "get" why I like to chat online so much.

[Jeffster]

Really? I do.

What are some "signs of Fe"? Just the posts about how to moderate or is there anything else you can point to?

When I took that "cognitive processes" test, Fe actually showed up as my 4th highest function. I'm just throwing that out there as more data.

Jeffster is a FOX!

no explanation necessary.

:D

Irrelevent questions, but:
i) Have you ever been annoyed at other ways to spell Jeffrey, thinking that there Can Only Be One way to spell it?

Yes. In fact, the number of times people wrote it as "Jeffery" was part of the reason I started going by Jeff. One of my best friends growing up used to tease me by calling me "Jeff-ER-ey" just to annoy me. And it worked.

ii) Do old Jersey cattle in from New Jersey feel an urge to moove? :D

Probably. It gets pretty boring just standing in one place all the time.

[Edahn]

Eh, if you look at actual cases, that doesn't hold true. Introverts are just as active online if not moreso as/than extroverts. It reveals our true thoughts, potentially, but the interface is what distorts personality. Just as heart said, this isn't draining, unlike real life social activity.

:huh:

Do you have a study to back up what you've said (or anything reliable at all) or is it just something you pulled out of your ass?

That's the same for everyone here. Many people here claiming to be introverts have way higher post counts than extroverts. Social anxiety didn't even come into my equation. I was relating it to how draining a social activity feels based introversion not anxiety.

Again, it's one indication, and it lends itself more to an extraverted personality than an introverted one. Maybe "many people" do claim to be introverts, but that doesn't mean that on average, a person with a high post count:time ratio is more likely to be an introvert than an extravert.

[Jeffster]

Most of the extroverts I know say they don't "get" why I like to chat online so much.

Can you explain more about the "Fi dom" part or are you still too busy with the pizza? ;)

[heart]

Again, it's one indication, and it lends itself more to an extraverted personality than an introverted one. Maybe "many people" do claim to be introverts, but that doesn't mean that on average, a person with a high post count:time ratio is more likely to be an introvert than an extravert.

I didn't claim it did. You were claiming that he wasn't an introvert based on his high post count. I was merely pointing out that an introvert may very well have a high post count.

I don't think a high post count indicates anything but a high level of interests in the topics or people on this board. That's all it indicates. Someone here might have a very low post count and have a very high post count on another board somewhere, we still won't know if they are introvert or extravert.

Can you explain more about the "Fi dom" part or are you still too busy with the pizza? ;)

It's too deep for me to get into today. (My ideas and impression, I am not claiming to know that much really!) I had a headache all day yesturday and feel drained mentally today. I'll PM you sometime over the weekend.

[Trinity]

It doesn't EQUATE with high post count (and I didn't say it did) but it's an indication. I'm not saying I have proof that Jeffster is extraverted (and assigning me that burden is illogical), but a high post count would be something you'd expect from an extravert. It's all the reliable evidence I have to go on. There are introverts on this site who post less, and author more concentrated posts. Those are the people I think of when I think classic introvert, not Jeffster. Not to mention, folks, I talked to him online and he wouldn't stop talking. :)

Yeah, I responded to your post specifically but I've seen other suggestions about the place particularly in relation to Jack, hence my wording.

As someone who's been told on many occasions that I 'must' be an extravert on another forum because I had a rather high post rate I disagree that it is an indication of extraversion.

Eh, if you look at actual cases, that doesn't hold true. Introverts are just as active online if not moreso as/than extroverts. It reveals our true thoughts, potentially, but the interface is what distorts personality. Just as heart said, this isn't draining, unlike real life social activity.

That's the same for everyone here. Many people here claiming to be introverts have way higher post counts than extroverts. Social anxiety didn't even come into my equation. I was relating it to how draining a social activity feels based introversion not anxiety.

Exactly, so surely in this kind of environment we have to assume a person’s claim of being E or I is accurate unless they have doubt themselves.

[Edahn]

What are some "signs of Fe"? Just the posts about how to moderate or is there anything else you can point to?

When I took that "cognitive processes" test, Fe actually showed up as my 4th highest function. I'm just throwing that out there as more data.

I'm not surprised. You've managed to form a lot of connection and make your name pretty ubiquitous on this forum. The way you quote people talking about you in your signature, to me, is a gimmick that increases your perceived popularity on this site. (Not trying to insult you at all, fyi, and I don't even think it's insulting, but just in case.) Your post about the moderators also supports Fe, and lastly, I get the feeling that you are uncomfortable when other people are excluded from the group or made to feel uncomfortable about something. I think that's a classic F/Fe trait.

[heart]

Your post about the moderators also supports Fe, and lastly, I get the feeling that you are uncomfortable when other people are excluded from the group or made to feel uncomfortable about something. I think that's a classic F/Fe trait.

An Fi dom can get just as upset on case by case basis, based on their own values. Fi's can go on crusades. In fact isn't it more a Fi trait to go against the popular opinion of leaders and crusade for their own values?

[Jeffster]

It's too deep for me to get into today. (My ideas and impression, I am not claiming to know that much really!) I had a headache all day yesturday and feel drained mentally today. I'll PM you sometime over the weekend.

Okie doke, heart. Sounds good! :) Sorry about your headache. I am drained physically at the moment, but mentally I'm popping all over the place. ;)

Oh, but it'd be better if you posted in here instead of PM though. That way it adds to the discussion for everyone. :cheese:

[Edahn]

I didn't claim it did. You were claiming that he wasn't an introvert based on his high post count. I was merely pointing out that an introvert may very well have a high post count.

Okay. Then I guess we're not disagreeing. I actually never said he CAN'T be an introvert. I just said that I was choosing extravert and I saw no reason to choose anything else.

I don't think a high post count indicates anything but a high level of interests in the topics or people on this board. That's all it indicates. Someone here might have a very low post count and have a very high post count on another board somewhere, we still won't know if they are introvert or extravert.

It reflects a willingness and enthusiasm to communicate one's ideas and interact with other people, qualities identified with extraversion.

[Edahn]

An Fi dom can get just as upset on case by case basis, based on their own values. Fi's can go on crusades. In fact isn't it more a Fi trait to go against the popular opinion of leaders and crusade for their own values?

I don't think this has anything to do with any crusade.

Second of all, maybe it can be looked at as an Fi trait -- so what? I haven't set out to prove he's Fe dominant. He just asked for some indications that I saw.

[wolfy]

I and E
I was thinking you may be E you seem to enjoy posting in order to get a reaction more often than expressing an opinion although you do that too. You can't tell really online. Only you could really know where you get your energy.

S You are S for sure. You don't seem to have started a thread on an abstract MBTI theory."Was Zangief any good" etc

F I would say F and maybe Fe. The way you talk about your son and the fact you've got 69 friends on MBTIc. Also the way you seem to want to build the relationships.

J or P I don't know. Your job sounds like a stereotypical J job. I lean towards J because you give off a motherly vibe. And that would make you ESFJ building on what I already said.

Random thoughts though. You typed Chris Farley as ISFP and I imagine you as a Chris Farley type of guy.

Friendly as hell and a bit off his rocker. :D

[Jack Flak]

Do you have a study to back up what you've said (or anything reliable at all) or is it just something you pulled out of your ass?
Just 15 years of observation. If you pass me your beaker and slide rule, I'll make it more scientific, since obviously you and everyone else are going all Oppenheimer about it.

[Edahn]

Just 15 years of observation. If you pass me your beaker and slide rule, I'll make it more scientific, since obviously you and everyone else are going all Oppenheimer about it.

Oh, okay, so in other words, you pulled it out of your ass. Just checkin. Thanks.

[heart]

It reflects a willingness and enthusiasm to communicate one's ideas and interact with other people, qualities identified with extraversion.

I think it's a myth that introverts don't have this feeling as well, it is just that too much extraverting drains them and they must budget it, but online is very liberating for many introverts, allows communication at the time when they feel most up to it and they can pick and choose who and what they reply to and for how long, to what degree etc. Real life does not give these options.

[wolfy]

I think it's a myth that introverts don't have this feeling as well, it is just that too much extraverting drains them and they must budget it, but online is very liberating for many introverts, allows communication at the time when they feel most up to it and they can pick and choose who and what they reply to and for how long, to what degree etc. Real life does not give these options.

That's true. The most prolific posters are Introverted. The king of quick spontaneous posting is Jack Flak an INTP. You'd have to see them IRL to decide E or I.

[Jack Flak]

That's true. The most prolific posters are Introverted. The king of quick spontaneous posting is Jack Flak an INTP. You'd have to see them IRL to decide E or I.
And it wouldn't take you thirty seconds under normal circumstances in my case.

[Jeffster]

Jeff, you remind me so much of an ISFP, that every time I watch the Young and The Restless and I see Joshua Marrow, I think, " I'll bet Jeffster is a hotty just like Josh!" Playful, good natured, slightly edgy, relaxed, likes to have sex with his tv wife. lol

I just re-read this, and I have to ask...were you exaggerating or do you really think of me EVERY time you watch Young and the Restless? Because if so, YOU NEED TO CALL ME SOMETIME. :D

[Jeffster]

I and E
I was thinking you may be E you seem to enjoy posting in order to get a reaction more often than expressing an opinion although you do that too. You can't tell really online. Only you could really know where you get your energy.

Is posting to get a reaction really a sign of E though? I haven't heard of anyone else making that contention so it's interesting to me. I have been reading and re-reading "Please Understand Me II" and the place I see "Yearning for Impact" is in the Artisan/SP temperament description, rather than anything specifically about extroverts. But I'm of course willing to listen to explanations of how it could be.

S You are S for sure. You don't seem to have started a thread on an abstract MBTI theory."Was Zangief any good" etc

I didn't actually start a topic about Zangief, that was a split created by a bored moderator (which there are TONS of around here) but I see your point. I don't start the theoretical or hypothetical question topics, in fact I feel an instant hostility to most of them. They're not just uninteresting to me, I actually find myself wanting to blow them up with something. ;)

I would be interested to hear from anyone who disagrees that I'm S though. I believe there were a couple people that hinted that they thought that, but they didn't elaborate and I don't remember who they were, so I dunno if anyone will step to the plate and try to make that assertion.

F I would say F and maybe Fe. The way you talk about your son and the fact you've got 69 friends on MBTIc. Also the way you seem to want to build the relationships.

Huh huh huh huh...you said "69." :D

J or P I don't know. Your job sounds like a stereotypical J job. I lean towards J because you give off a motherly vibe. And that would make you ESFJ building on what I already said.

What constitutes a "J job"? What would be an example of a "P job" for that matter?

Motherly vibe? Well, I guess that might be the single parent thing, I often have to act as mother and father just by the nature of my circumstances.

Heh. I think if I posted pictures of my apartment, no one would call me a "J" anymore. Or heck, my work area at the office for that matter, which is more organized than my apartment is by far, but still a huge mess. :blush:

Random thoughts though. You typed Chris Farley as ISFP and I imagine you as a Chris Farley type of guy.

Friendly as hell and a bit off his rocker. :D

:yes: That describes me well, and if I had ever gotten into drinking and drugs like Farley did, I would also very likely have died from the excesses.

[PinkPiranha]

That Jeffster. What a wacky guy! You are so ISFP.

Edahn is the ancient Apache-German word that means "totally wrong a lot, but good at Skeeball", which means he has to have a nemesis and a sidekick, both with less "cool" names than his. Like Egbert.

[Jeffster]

That Jeffster. What a wacky guy! You are so ISFP.

You're s'posed to explain how you came to this conclusion, though. ;)

Edahn is the ancient Apache-German word that means "totally wrong a lot, but good at Skeeball", which means he has to have a nemesis and a sidekick, both with less "cool" names than his. Like Egbert.

:D You always crack me up, Pink. So....what is your sister wearing right now? :cool:

[wolfy]

Is posting to get a reaction really a sign of E though? I haven't heard of anyone else making that contention so it's interesting to me. I have been reading and re-reading "Please Understand Me II" and the place I see "Yearning for Impact" is in the Artisan/SP temperament description, rather than anything specifically about extroverts. But I'm of course willing to listen to explanations of how it could be.


Huh huh huh huh...you said "69." :D



What constitutes a "J job"? What would be an example of a "P job" for that matter?

Motherly vibe? Well, I guess that might be the single parent thing, I often have to act as mother and father just by the nature of my circumstances.

Heh. I think if I posted pictures of my apartment, no one would call me a "J" anymore. Or heck, my work area at the office for that matter, which is more organized than my apartment is by far, but still a huge mess. :blush:



:yes: That describes me well, and if I had ever gotten into drinking and drugs like Farley did, I would also very likely have died from the excesses.

OK Good points. ISFP. 69:nice:

[PinkPiranha]

You're s'posed to explain how you came to this conclusion, though. ;)

You "feel" ISFP to me. *feels the Jeffster* Yep. ISFP!

I don't know. Playful, optimistic, sentimental, curious, and Fi.



:D You always crack me up, Pink. So....what is your sister wearing right now? :cool:

Her "I heart Jeffster" t-shirt and ruffly panties, of course. What else?

[Silently Honest]

Seriously as someone who probably speaks to you more then anyone else in the thread, I honestly believe you with 99% of my heart to be ISFP.

And I can say that, and you can know it holds weight cause I don't declare a type unless I'm pretty fricken sure, no lol wuts, ifs, or buts about it.

[Lateralus]

Jeffster is a Red Raider fan (or was it the Aggies?), so I figure he's a masochist.

[Jeffster]

OK Good points. ISFP. 69:nice:

So, you gonna explain the difference in P and J jobs to me or what? :)

[Jeffster]

You "feel" ISFP to me. *feels the Jeffster* Yep. ISFP!

I don't know. Playful, optimistic, sentimental, curious, and Fi.

FEEL free to FEEL me anytime, baby! :devil:


Her "I heart Jeffster" t-shirt and ruffly panties, of course. What else?

When is she gonna send me some pics? :D

Seriously as someone who probably speaks to you more then anyone else in the thread, I honestly believe you with 99% of my heart to be ISFP.

And I can say that, and you can know it holds weight cause I don't declare a type unless I'm pretty fricken sure, no lol wuts, ifs, or buts about it.

I don't doubt your belief, your weight, or your lol wuts, I just want you to actually back up your assessment with REASONS or SUPPORT of some kind. :yes:

Jeffster is a Red Raider fan (or was it the Aggies?), so I figure he's a masochist.

Red Raiders GOOOD. aggies BAAAD.

And you're right, each year I hope but always wait for that devastating loss that crushes the season. ;)

[Silently Honest]

I'm lazy, I'll do it in the morning how bout that?

[Jeffster]

I'm lazy, I'll do it in the morning how bout that?

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2007/02/10/muppets-animal170x200.jpg

OKIE DOKIE.

[wolfy]

So, you gonna explain the difference in P and J jobs to me or what? :)

Any type can do any job but
J would lean towards jobs with a defined method to work within and a goal to work towards
P would lean towards jobs with a defined system to manipulate and a goal as a direction.

I'm a baker by trade and I thought about buying a franchise but I couldn't stand not being able to mess with the system.

I know you work out the back but if I was at Subway I'd have to mess with the meat and vege selection.

[Lookin4theBestNU]

How did you get a mod who follows you around the board lapping up all your posts? You rock dear Jeffster that is my analysis:newwink:.

[Jeffster]

How did you get a mod who follows you around the board lapping up all your posts?
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You rock dear Jeffster that is my analysis:newwink:.

OMG LIKE YOU TOTALLY JUST ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION!

[Edahn]

I think it's a myth that introverts don't have this feeling as well, it is just that too much extraverting drains them and they must budget it, but online is very liberating for many introverts, allows communication at the time when they feel most up to it and they can pick and choose who and what they reply to and for how long, to what degree etc. Real life does not give these options.

Oy. I didn't say introverts don't show enthusiasm. You keep inverting my statements. You keep saying post count isn't PROOF. I never said it was proof. It's just consistent with and likely.

[heart]

Oy. I didn't say introverts don't show enthusiasm. You keep inverting my statements. You keep saying post count isn't PROOF. I never said it was proof. It's just consistent with and likely.

It's neither consistent nor more likelyfor either I or E.

[Edahn]

It's neither consistent nor more likelyfor either I or E.

No, you're wrong. You're ignoring probabilities. Is it plausible to assume that an introvert would post less than an extrovert? Absolutely. Your objections are irrelevant because you haven't provided any evidence whatsoever to show that that hypothesis is IMPLAUSIBLE. You've just said that "it's not always the case" based on your own theory about posting style which was likewise unsupported and just mere conjecture, like Jack Flak's.

[heart]

You haven't produced any evidence either and it isn't plausible to assume that an introvert or extravert would post more or less because of the type of medium the communication is taking place on.

Based on what people report as their type, post count here seems to relate more to overall interest in the board and the people here more than anything else.

[Edahn]

You haven't produced any evidence either

It's not my job to produce evidence. I didn't argue that your hypothesis was wrong. I said, and have been saying all along, that they're both plausible. If you can show that it's implausible, go for it.

[Tallulah]

Okay. I've met Jeffster IRL, and in no way does he act like an extravert. ISFP "feels" right to me, too. On the boards, he seems like sort of a Homer Simpson type--the life of the party, clowning but throwing in wise statements now and then that catch you by surprise. IRL, he probably has that side to him, but introvert-style, I'm guessing you have to know him well to get to see it. I actually felt like Jeffster acted very much like scanty and I did--observing, processing, conversing more as he felt comfortable. I don't think any of us felt a need to play host, or to keep the conversation going nonstop to avoid awkward silence. And in case you're wondering, I don't remember him hitting on us, either. :huh:

I don't think high post count means anything. Introverts that feel comfortable can talk your ear off. This is an online forum of people that share a lot of interests, and Jeffster's found a great niche. People like him, and they think he's funny. I think he probably exaggerates the ESFP stereotype in print because it's a schtick that works. Why not?

I think if you watch him interact with his son and read his blog when he talks about his parenting style, he seems much more P than J. He provides guidance, but he gives his son the freedom to express himself, rather than providing a stricter, "the right way" to do it. No way is Jeffster an SJ.

[Jack Flak]

Jeffster has never once even come off as an online ESFJ. SP all the way.

[Jeffster]

And in case you're wondering, I don't remember him hitting on us, either. :huh:


:doh: I KNEW there was something I forgot to do! Crap!

[Tallulah]

Jeffster has never once even come off as an online ESFJ. SP all the way.

Sorry, that was a typo. Will edit.

:doh: I KNEW there was something I forgot to do! Crap!

Haha, Jeffster, you have a rep to live up to now!

[Jeffster]

Haha, Jeffster, you have a rep to live up to now!

Yeah. Truth is I'm really pretty much the same personality online or offline. The difference I think is in the speed of getting to know people. I have a natural reserve in person that kinda filters that "Homer Simpson" you were talking about some, but once I get to a comfort level with someone in person, then I feel more free to let myself "be me" more I guess? It doesn't mean I'm fake before then, it really is like a gate that has to be opened up or something. I mean, the way I act with my co-workers and my friends that I've known awhile, I have the same kinda quick reactions to things that I do online, it's just better in person because I don't have to type it, I can just say stuff which comes much more natural to me.

And the circumstances factor in too. When Morgan is with me, a lot of me is focused on him, so at a restaurant, it's hard for me to completely relax because I'm still in Dad mode, haha.

I hope any of this is making sense because I am dead tired, the only reason I'm still up is Morgan is sick and throwing up, so I'm staying up for his sake.

I think he probably exaggerates the ESFP stereotype in print because it's a schtick that works.

Oh, I was gonna say, it really isn't a "shtick" or a stereotype though, I mean, people tend to have their perceptions of me regardless of whether they're accurate or not, but I'm not trying to do any kind of act, I really am just being myself.

[scantilyclad]

I have also met the Jeffster in real life, and he is definitely NOT an extrovert. He is VERY laid back and doesn't bounce off the walls nearly as much in person as he does online. :)
Jeffster is an ISFP.

[Hmm]

Jeffster's type = AWesoME.

Does anything else matter?

[Tallulah]

Yeah. Truth is I'm really pretty much the same personality online or offline. The difference I think is in the speed of getting to know people. I have a natural reserve in person that kinda filters that "Homer Simpson" you were talking about some, but once I get to a comfort level with someone in person, then I feel more free to let myself "be me" more I guess? It doesn't mean I'm fake before then, it really is like a gate that has to be opened up or something. I mean, the way I act with my co-workers and my friends that I've known awhile, I have the same kinda quick reactions to things that I do online, it's just better in person because I don't have to type it, I can just say stuff which comes much more natural to me.

And the circumstances factor in too. When Morgan is with me, a lot of me is focused on him, so at a restaurant, it's hard for me to completely relax because I'm still in Dad mode, haha.

I hope any of this is making sense because I am dead tired, the only reason I'm still up is Morgan is sick and throwing up, so I'm staying up for his sake.



Oh, I was gonna say, it really isn't a "shtick" or a stereotype though, I mean, people tend to have their perceptions of me regardless of whether they're accurate or not, but I'm not trying to do any kind of act, I really am just being myself.

Gotcha. I can see that. I didn't mean anything negative by the "schtick" comment, either, just couldn't think of a better way to say it. :newwink: (<< been wanting to try out that new smilie)

Hope Morgan's feeling better!

[Quinlan]

Yeah. Truth is I'm really pretty much the same personality online or offline. The difference I think is in the speed of getting to know people. I have a natural reserve in person that kinda filters that "Homer Simpson" you were talking about some, but once I get to a comfort level with someone in person, then I feel more free to let myself "be me" more I guess? It doesn't mean I'm fake before then, it really is like a gate that has to be opened up or something. I mean, the way I act with my co-workers and my friends that I've known awhile, I have the same kinda quick reactions to things that I do online, it's just better in person because I don't have to type it, I can just say stuff which comes much more natural to me.

I have that same gate! and I can completely relate to where you are coming from there. If you ask people who I feel comfortable with what my personality is like, it will be poles apart from what people who I don't know well or don't trust so much think I'm like.

[sarah]

Yeah. Truth is I'm really pretty much the same personality online or offline. The difference I think is in the speed of getting to know people. I have a natural reserve in person that kinda filters that "Homer Simpson" you were talking about some, but once I get to a comfort level with someone in person, then I feel more free to let myself "be me" more I guess? It doesn't mean I'm fake before then, it really is like a gate that has to be opened up or something. I mean, the way I act with my co-workers and my friends that I've known awhile, I have the same kinda quick reactions to things that I do online, it's just better in person because I don't have to type it, I can just say stuff which comes much more natural to me.

Yes! I get exactly what you're saying, and I think that's pretty true for myself and a lot of other introverted people I know.

Re Jeffster's post count and so-on: the guy knows how to make an impact on others, and extraverts are not the only people who have impact on others. ISFPs can and do find a way of making themselves known in any environment that interests them, just as often and as well as the extraverts. There is a HUGE difference between typing long detailed blog entries and comments on a computer, at home, by yourself, and being comfortable initiating conversations in person with strangers and keeping a conversation not only going, but also focused on drawing out the other person (which is what dominant Fe people tend to enjoy doing).

Auxilliary Se is pretty visible in ISFPs because it's our preferred function for expressing ourselves in the world. We like to have an immediate impact on others just as much as the extraverts do, and online forums are great for that -- you don't have to pay attention to anything but the impact you're having on anybody who chooses to read your posts. Still, I think I've gotten pretty good at recognizing dominant introverted feeling when I meet it. Although we don't seem to have the same lifestyle at all, Jeffster's dom Fi, and it's pretty obvious if you read what he says in his more serious posts, instead of just counting how often he posts stuff.

Sarah
ISFP

[sarah]

I have that same gate! and I can completely relate to where you are coming from there. If you ask people who I feel comfortable with what my personality is like, it will be poles apart from what people who I don't know well or don't trust so much think I'm like.


I totally relate to that. And it's rather awkward when people think I've been "hiding" parts of myself from them, when in fact I never really wanted to be sneaky. I'm sensitive to criticism, and I feel I have to watch for clues with people first before I can be sure they'll accept me for all that I really am. If I get the sense that certain people won't be able to accept a certain side of me without trying to change me to be more like their idea of a cool person, I tell myself that they don't deserve to see that side of me, then. And I spend less time around those people too.

Sarah
ISFP

[Quinlan]

I totally relate to that. And it's rather awkward when people think I've been "hiding" parts of myself from them, when in fact I never really wanted to be sneaky.

Yeah, it's not hiding to me, I'm just showing them the parts of myself I think they might like best and this depends on each person.

I'm sensitive to criticism, and I feel I have to watch for clues with people first before I can be sure they'll accept me for all that I really am.

Yes, me too.

If I get the sense that certain people won't be able to accept a certain side of me without trying to change me to be more like their idea of a cool person, I tell myself that they don't deserve to see that side of me, then. And I spend less time around those people too.

With those kinds of people I give very little of myself, I go through the motions and only reveal as much as I need to so as not to be rude (although I will occasionaly give them nothing which is really quite rude when I think about it. :blush: If they try and change me I don't mind being a spoil sport and just moving on.

[Jeffster]

I have also met the Jeffster in real life, and he is definitely NOT an extrovert. He is VERY laid back and doesn't bounce off the walls nearly as much in person as he does online. :)
Jeffster is an ISFP.

Oh, I DO bounce off the walls in the right circumstances. ;)


Jeffster's type = AWesoME.

Does anything else matter?

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Re Jeffster's post count and so-on: the guy knows how to make an impact on others, and extraverts are not the only people who have impact on others. ISFPs can and do find a way of making themselves known in any environment that interests them, just as often and as well as the extraverts. There is a HUGE difference between typing long detailed blog entries and comments on a computer, at home, by yourself, and being comfortable initiating conversations in person with strangers and keeping a conversation not only going, but also focused on drawing out the other person (which is what dominant Fe people tend to enjoy doing).

Auxilliary Se is pretty visible in ISFPs because it's our preferred function for expressing ourselves in the world. We like to have an immediate impact on others just as much as the extraverts do, and online forums are great for that -- you don't have to pay attention to anything but the impact you're having on anybody who chooses to read your posts. Still, I think I've gotten pretty good at recognizing dominant introverted feeling when I meet it. Although we don't seem to have the same lifestyle at all, Jeffster's dom Fi, and it's pretty obvious if you read what he says in his more serious posts, instead of just counting how often he posts stuff.


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