Obama/Biden Is Teh Awesome!!!1!

[Edahn]

I'm stilling voting for Obama, but I think he's too intellectual and a bit of a pussy. He needs to get angry. Luckily Biden will be there to be tough on the international front. I wanted Biden over Obama. You can't hate on Biden. The guy's fucking awesome. You know want that shit.

[scantilyclad]

Biden is seriously so crunk. i love him. Obama/Biden for lyfe.

[Edahn]

Biden is seriously so crunk. i love him. Obama/Biden for lyfe.

Wurd. If I was gay I would have sex with Joe Biden. You can quote me on that, by the way.

[Modern Nomad]

Wurd. If I was gay I would have sex with Joe Biden. You can quote me on that, by the way.

nastyyyyyyy lol

[cafe]

Thread split from http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/politics-history-current-events/9170-anti-obama-biden-thread.html

[Magic Poriferan]

It too, wanted Biden to be president from the get-go. I was quite surprised when Obama made him the VP, and I worried about what political impact it would have, but I was very happy with the implications if Obama won.

That being said, I have to address something you said Edahn. How does someone get too intellectual? I've never understood how this is a bad thing, outside of making someone less popular in a world of idiots that love idiots.
Popularity contests aside, isn't it generally a good thing?

[disregard]

That they is.

[Lateralus]

I can't imagine that anyone actually thinks they're awesome. I didn't think Ron Paul was awesome, despite the fact that we agree on many issues and would have definitely voted for him (still might write him in). Mob mentality is interesting.

[Edahn]

That being said, I have to address something you said Edahn. How does someone get too intellectual? I've never understood how this is a bad thing, outside of making someone less popular in a world of idiots that love idiots.
Popularity contests aside, isn't it generally a good thing?

Let me try and clarify. During the debates (which I take as symbolic of how Obama will interact with foreign leaders) I think Obama came off as very intellectual and considerate. He was making sense. The fact that he was making concessions, I think, showed that he was actually processing information and was more concerned about understanding the issue than playing any posturing game. The problem is, politics is a game of posturing. I think his thoughtful approach would be great when it comes to making good decisions and knowing how to get out of things, but in the international arena, I'm more worried. He probably would have made a great VP for Biden, ironically.

[ajblaise]

A lot of people, especially young people, do think Obama is awesome. He obviously has some appealing characteristics.

I haven't seen anyone get this hyped up over a politician...ever maybe. The Ron Paul phenomenon was interesting and novel in it's own way.

[Lateralus]

A lot of people, especially young people, do think Obama is awesome. He obviously has some appealing characteristics.

I haven't seen anyone get this hyped up over a politician...ever maybe. The Ron Paul phenomenon was interesting and novel in it's own way.
One of my brothers was involved with Ron Paul's campaign. He got really turned off by how idiotic most of the supporters were. Most really had no grasp of the issues, they were just caught up in the hysteria.

[ajblaise]

One of my brothers was involved with Ron Paul's campaign. He got really turned off by how idiotic most of the supporters were. Most really had no grasp of the issues, they were just caught up in the hysteria.

Yeah, most of the people I know that were/are into Ron Paul... aren't really into politics or know much about it, they don't want to be associated with liberals or conservatives... and they see Ron Paul as some kind of sexy alternative.

[Lateralus]

Yeah, most of the people I know that were/are into Ron Paul... aren't really into politics or know much about it, they don't want to be associated with liberals or conservatives... and they see Ron Paul as some kind of sexy alternative.
Are you're implying this phenomenon only occurred with Ron Paul's campaign?

[ajblaise]

Are you're implying this phenomenon only occurred with Ron Paul's campaign?

Concerning the Obama campaign, I don't see him getting the same kind of love from the apathetic and cynical internet crowd.

Most Obama fans would be for anyone the Dems put up, they just wouldn't be as into it.

Both have plenty of hype/hysteria following them however.

[meanlittlechimp]

I'm stilling voting for Obama, but I think he's too intellectual and a bit of a pussy. He needs to get angry.

I agree, but doing the angry thing will scare dumb hicks in the midwest and the south. Something like 20% of the people voting in PA admitted to a pollster's face they aren't voting for Obama, because he's black.

An overtly angry Obama would be catastrophe for the democrats. A portion of the redneck population of the US, get frightened by uppity, pissed off negroes (and it could make all the difference in the swing states).

He does seem a bit too bright to be in politics, considering the dumbasses the public prefers to vote in. Hopefully, it won't hold him back too much...

[Edahn]

I agree, but doing the angry thing will scare dumb hicks in the midwest and the south. Something like 20% of the people voting in PA admitted to a pollster's face they aren't voting for Obama, because he's black.

An overtly angry Obama would be catastrophe for the democrats. A portion of the redneck population of the US, get frightened by uppity angry negroes.

I'm not sure you're right or wrong. I don't know what flows the redneck mind aside from ethanol, but I think charisma and dominance have an ability to cut across tenuous racial barriers. But who knows. At this point, we're mainly talking about swing votes anyway, right?

[toonia]

Let me try and clarify. During the debates (which I take as symbolic of how Obama will interact with foreign leaders) I think Obama came off as very intellectual and considerate. He was making sense. The fact that he was making concessions, I think, showed that he was actually processing information and was more concerned about understanding the issue than playing any posturing game. The problem is, politics is a game of posturing. I think his thoughtful approach would be great when it comes to making good decisions and knowing how to get out of things, but in the international arena, I'm more worried. He probably would have made a great VP for Biden, ironically.I like that Obama understands the diplomatic process in communication and is a natural at it. I think that can be an asset on the international front. It is a reasoned and effective approach to start with what is agreed upon to gain a sense of common ground and then to explore differences. I see Obama's communication as based on making connections while other politicians define boundaries. With the unpopularity of the U.S. in the world right now, that kind of connection building is especially important.

Politicians who express much anger disturb me if it seems like they are taking things personally. Ego-centricity is the worst possible trait I can think of in a leader. What impresses me the most in a leader is that ability to remain objective in the face of crisis. It is also a relief to see a politician who is highly intelligent. I don't know much about Biden, but like him so far, but I am sold on Obama from the information I have. He is the first presidential candidate I have ever actually been able to support without much reservation.

[phoenix13]

I agree, but doing the angry thing will scare dumb hicks in the midwest and the south. Something like 20% of the people voting in PA admitted to a pollster's face they aren't voting for Obama, because he's black.

An overtly angry Obama would be catastrophe for the democrats. A portion of the redneck population of the US, get frightened by uppity, pissed off negroes (and it could make all the difference in the swing states).

He does seem a bit too bright to be in politics, but I wouldn't hold it against him.

Well, those people wouldn't vote for him anyway, so who cares? McCain getting angry would be the true catastrophe because of his hot-head reputation.

[Udog]

I agree, but doing the angry thing will scare dumb hicks in the midwest and the south. Something like 20% of the people voting in PA admitted to a pollster's face they aren't voting for Obama, because he's black.

An overtly angry Obama would be catastrophe for the democrats. A portion of the redneck population of the US, get frightened by uppity, pissed off negroes (and it could make all the difference in the swing states).

Yes. My mother visited a rural town in PA during the primary vote, and she overheard people claiming he was Muslim or flat out admitting they wouldn't vote for a black person. Except, they didn't use the words 'black person'.

For all the reasons to dislike Obama, I'm tired of hearing arguments that essentially boil down to 'he is going to bring whitey down when he becomes president.'

If Obama lost his temper like McCain sort of did yesterday, expect to see that footage EVERYWHERE in the media.

[proteanmix]

I agree, but doing the angry thing will scare dumb hicks in the midwest and the south. Something like 20% of the people voting in PA admitted to a pollster's face they aren't voting for Obama, because he's black.

An overtly angry Obama would be catastrophe for the democrats. A portion of the redneck population of the US, get frightened by uppity, pissed off negroes (and it could make all the difference in the swing states).

He does seem a bit too bright to be in politics, considering the dumbasses the public prefers to vote in. Hopefully, it won't hold him back too much...

hehe, you said negroes. A lot of people are afraid to vote for him cause he's black. Some black people are afraid to vote for him because he's black. I was talking to my parents about this. They never even believed they'd see a black president possibly elected to office. I didn't even think I'd see one until I was old, but I do/did believe I'd see one.

Yes, many people are afraid of a negro smarter than they are. I even see it at work.

[meanlittlechimp]

Yes. My mother visited a rural town in PA during the primary vote, and she overheard people claiming he was Muslim or flat out admitting they wouldn't vote for a black person. Except, they didn't use the words 'black person'.

For all the reasons to dislike Obama, I'm tired of hearing arguments that essentially boil down to 'he is going to bring whitey down when he becomes president.'

If Obama lost his temper like McCain sort of did yesterday, expect to see that footage EVERYWHERE in the media.

Lucky for the democrats, most racists are already die hard republicans. But there is a smaller faction of racists in the democratic party, (mostly rural) whom he lost. But it looks like he compensated by getting more apathetic democrats to go out and vote because of his charisma, so it's probably a wash.

If it wasn't for the fact the current administration has one of the lowest approval ratings ever, and completely fucked this country up by de-regulating lending laws (after Bush came into office) and rampant war spending putting us in 10 trillion in debt - a black person would never have had a chance.

The stars really aligned for this one, and he still has a good chance of losing even without the right, rigging voting boxes in Ohio or stopping tens of thousands of blacks getting the vote in Florida.

I do think if they ran Biden/Hillary or had Obama as a VP, it would have been a landslide for the Democrats. I've never seen so many republicans be embarrassed to admit what they are in public, it's amazing that it's even close - considering how much of a nightmare Bush was.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

That being said, I have to address something you said Edahn. How does someone get too intellectual? I've never understood how this is a bad thing, outside of making someone less popular in a world of idiots that love idiots.
Popularity contests aside, isn't it generally a good thing?

It helps to understand this if you draw a distinction between being smart and being intellectual. Part of being a leader is being decisive and inspiring confidence. Someone who is overly intellectual will likely be lukewarm even about the decisions he's fairly confident in, because he sees all sides and is constantly weighing things in his mind. That might make for an effective analyst or an effective consigliere, but I'm not sure it always makes for an effective leader. I'd prefer that my leader surround himself with intellectuals, and to himself have raw smarts and be decisive - to have the ability to absorb the varying advice he receives; effectively chose a course of action; and inspire confidence with his commitment.

Short version: Intellectuals should always have seats at the table, but I want my leader to have a little more gravitas; a little more swagger.