You know you're an INFJ when...

[Mo_(operalover)]

1. You use the term 'cosmic bond' to describe a close friendship.

[kyuuei]

You use the word "poetic" to describe the response to a potential brawl at a rock concert.

[helen]

You frequently comment on the difficulty of writing "authentically about spiritual experience."

[SuperFob]

You have the next seven decades of your life planned out perfectly and they end with you dying a happy man/woman.

[edcoaching]

You're convinced you can make positive change for humanity happen if you just keep working on your vision...

[Athenian200]

1. You've figured out that you don't fit any other type well.

2. Everyone you trust thinks so, and it was your own first guess.

[Thursday]

you feel like a spy
the stranger everyone knows so well
you have to check your persona at the door, just to make sure its still you

[evan]

meh

[LadyJaye]

You eat an entire pack of Rolaids, and claim it was "sorta tasty", even though the snack machine was 20 feet away from you.

[Jack Flak]

You inherited 3.5 million, but became a long-haul truck driver for philosophical reasons

[Silently Honest]

When people tell you every litte creepy secret they have, from the time they stole hash from a teacher to the story of how he had to get his left nad removed because of a gulfing accident.

Good God.

[Thursday]

your type is as disputed as an INFP's is changed

[ThePenIsMightier]

When people tell you every litte creepy secret they have, from the time they stole hash from a teacher to the story of how he had to get his left nad removed because of a gulfing accident.

Good God.

:yes:

I'm starting to really think I'm a shoe in for the INFJ. Anyway, I'm with you on that 100%. Had a co-worker this summer tell me about her cheating on her husband. You know, after knowing her for all of a week. It seems like everyone wants to share any dark/weird stories with me.

[Silently Honest]

Amen to that, I guess it's cause we make them comfortable?

I had some lady tell me just the other day she sensed I had a good spirit.

I don't know what exactly she meant as I hadn't even seen her for five minutes, but it was certainly flattering.

[ByMySword]

you can't act on something you know logically is the right course of action until its ethically justified for you.

[Jack Flak]

When you go to sleep, you wake up.

[cafe]

You're pretty sure something is a lost cause, but you have to try anyway for conscience sake.

(And the confidences . . . it's true and weird. :unsure:)

[evan]

You think like an NT but can't say 90% of it to spare other people's feelings.

[ByMySword]

You think like an NT but can't say 90% of it to spare other people's feelings.

Hear, hear!!!!!!! :nice:

[kyuuei]

You like guns..

[evan]

You like guns..

?

[Thursday]

You like guns ENTPs..

still as dangerous and irrational a preference as the former

[cafe]

You like guns..
I don't like guns. Knives, though . . . :yes:

[Silently Honest]

You like guns..

Wha...?

I only really care for guns in video games and T.V. :/

[IamDisplaced]

You like guns..

I understood her reference :yes:


You know you're an INFJ when you find yourself excessively communicating by using figurative language. Hmm.. I wonder how much this annoys others.

[Kyrielle]

I don't like guns. Knives, though . . . :yes:

Or swords...maybe even poorly made medieval knockoffs :)

[kyuuei]

^_^b

:heart: IamD.

On a side note, it was also a jab at a particular INFJ on this forum.

[Thursday]

You know you're an INFJ when you find yourself excessively communicating by using figurative language. Hmm.. I wonder how much this annoys others.

A lot
but only if they understood
no wonder they call us dolphins

[milti girl]

At 50, you still hold a grudge from some random unfortunate incident that happened to you when you were 3.

(No? Then i have to retype my mother... :D)

[ByMySword]

your mental workings are the internal equivalent of the Civil War.

[Jack Flak]

For everything you choose to do, you can think of better reasons not to do it.

[ByMySword]

I understood her reference :yes:

Glad somebody did. :nice:

[evan]

For everything you choose to do, you can think of better reasons not to do it.

Good one.

[01011010]

My gf (INFJ) makes crazy justifications based on subjective feeling. Holy cow. It's frustrating.

[runvardh]

My gf (INFJ) makes crazy justifications based on subjective feeling. Holy cow. It's frustrating.

Imagine being held back from moving forward on something because some irrational value is holding a knife to your chest, and you know it's irrational.

[Thursday]

To those who are loved and close - you give them tough love as if it were flowers
on special occasions or when you just feel like it

[Apollanaut]

You think like an NT but can't say 90% of it to spare other people's feelings.

Oh Yes!

[ByMySword]

you take the mbti test and it says you're an INFJ.

[Apollanaut]

You see conspiracies everywhere.....

[CaptainChick]

your mental workings are the internal equivalent of the Civil War.
Hmm, this explains a whole lot.

:yes:

[ByMySword]

you believe everyone (even sometimes your closest friends) is out to get you.

[evan]

you believe everyone (even sometimes your closest friends) is out to get you.

Not necessarily out to get you, but they're definitely gonna choose themselves first if it comes down to it. (Even in not choosing themselves first, they're choosing themselves first :))

[Apollanaut]

You don't need drugs to hallucinate.

[Apollanaut]

Bad things happen to your enemies......

[Thursday]

You don't need drugs to hallucinate.

LMAO

I black out when walking
and when I cross the street, I wake up on the other side

[heart]

You see conspiracies everywhere.....

Conspriacy, thy name is human!:D

[Dwigie]

At 50, you still hold a grudge from some random unfortunate incident that happened to you when you were 3.

(No? Then i have to retype my mother... :D)

LOL!....:shock:...I need to stop though.

[Thursday]

You're the most conservative bohemian anyone knows
and your sexual humor is dark and uncomfortable for others

yes ?

[IamDisplaced]

You're the most conservative bohemian anyone knows
and your sexual humor is dark and uncomfortable for others

yes ?

LOL! Yes :yes:

[ByMySword]

LOL! Yes :yes:

Same.

[Kyrielle]

You're the most conservative bohemian anyone knows
and your sexual humor is dark and uncomfortable for others

yes ?

Certainly.

[Apollanaut]

You see dead people.

[ByMySword]

You see dead people.

You too? :shock:

[Apollanaut]

You too? :shock:

Sometimes in dreams, sometimes as a sort of hazy "ghost" :shock:

[ByMySword]

you have deja vu at least 10 times a week if not a day.

[Apollanaut]

Your life is ruled by strange coincidences (I'll shut up for a while now - I don't want to hog this thread!)

[ByMySword]

Your life is ruled by strange coincidences (I'll shut up for a while now - I don't want to hog this thread!)

You know you're an INFJ when you wouldn't mind hogging this thread so all the attention's on you, but you're just trying to be nice.

or is that just me? :huh:

[evan]

Whoa this got way beyond me.

[sade]

You know you're an INFJ when you wouldn't mind hogging this thread so all the attention's on you, but you're just trying to be nice.

or is that just me? :huh:
I'll confirm it, I enjoy attention like that, but don't like let people to know that. And trying to be friendly, allways.

[sanveane]

You don't need drugs to hallucinate.

:D

You're the most conservative bohemian anyone knows
and your sexual humor is dark and uncomfortable for others

yes ?

Eeps I think we have some kind of consensus... (though, my 'sexual humor', or at least what comes out of my mouth might be a little lighter.)

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- You don't mind queuing for extended periods of time, this is when you have your most blistering insights... (usually into yourself).

- You kept switching off Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin. It was giving you major dumbchills.

- You are shy but wildly adventurous.

- You know which dreams you should pay attention to.... and you do.

- You're allergic to control, that is, others attempting to control you and you controlling others.

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You judge your date by how well they treat the wait-staff... this judgement is hard to unseat...

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

[Apollanaut]

:D

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- You are shy but wildly adventurous.

- You know which dreams you should pay attention to.... and you do.

- You're allergic to control, that is, others attempting to control you and you controlling others.

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

I really relate to these!

[animenagai]

how talkative are your standard INFJ's? do people think they're extroverts just because they like trying new things, join groups etc.?

[Dwigie]

I really relate to these!

ditto:D..I bet people consider you the "grinch" of the family because you hate unexpected visitors.

[Jack Flak]

sanveane, that's more like "you know you're cool when..."

[MrRandom]

you have deja vu at least 10 times a week if not a day.

Yeah! That's weird. It happens to me a lot. My deja vus are sometimes so strong that I call them double deja vus and triple deja vus. They literally happen again right after the realization of the deja vu. They're so strong experiences, that I must sit down or something. By then my brains are so riddled with the concept of time that I always start to doubt the existence of everything (the world, time, life, me). Then after a minute or two I come back to my senses and ponder whether I should even try to explain my experience to others :doh:

[Kyrielle]

how talkative are your standard INFJ's? do people think they're extroverts just because they like trying new things, join groups etc.?

It's because when relaxed and comfortable, we can be very enthusiastic about our interests and like discussing them as well as brainstorming. In the very least, I'm this way. (I kinda wonder if we have a laser beam kind of energy/focus, where when it's directed towards one activity our output is phenomenal but sometimes short-lived. It could be why we get worn out when socialising, but are still perceived as extroverts because of that intense energy.) I also have a quirky sense of humour that tends to make people at least grin, which only encourages me to be more talkative.

[evan]

I hope no one is gonna use these traits to try to identify INFJs, because most of them are far too specific.

[sanveane]

I really relate to these!

:D

ditto:D..I bet people consider you the "grinch" of the family because you hate unexpected visitors.

Hehe fortunately my entire family hates the 'pop in'! Even my ENTJ father...

sanveane, that's more like "you know you're cool when..."

:harhar:

It's because when relaxed and comfortable, we can be very enthusiastic about our interests and like discussing them as well as brainstorming. In the very least, I'm this way. (I kinda wonder if we have a laser beam kind of energy/focus, where when it's directed towards one activity our output is phenomenal but sometimes short-lived. It could be why we get worn out when socialising, but are still perceived as extroverts because of that intense energy.) I also have a quirky sense of humour that tends to make people at least grin, which only encourages me to be more talkative.

+1.

I (we?) like building bridges with people... also I am (we are?) very curious!

[sanveane]

I hope no one is gonna use these traits to try to identify INFJs, because most of them are far too specific.

Surely not? These are just lighthearted observations.

[evan]

Too bad. I feel like the outcast of INFJs. Most of these things sound completely random to me.

I relate more to the average INTP anyway.

[sanveane]

Too bad. I feel like the outcast of INFJs...

Hah that sounds more INFJ to me than anything else here :D

I relate to INTP too, I'm INFJ but sometimes I test as INTP on those online 'tests'...

[Jack Flak]

Too bad. I feel like the outcast of INFJs. Most of these things sound completely random to me.

I relate more to the average INTP anyway.
I often feel the same way about other types. It's hard to find something extremely impressive about someone with the similar strengths and flaws as yourself.

[evan]

They don't even have very similar strengths and flaws on average.

[Jack Flak]

They don't even have very similar strengths and flaws on average.
People of the same type, you mean? I beg to differ if we're talking about what actually makes someone their type.

[evan]

I'm talking about average INFJs vs. me.

I don't relate to most, except in specific ways having to do with understanding people.

[Jack Flak]

I'm talking about average INFJs vs. me.

I don't relate to most, except in specific ways having to do with understanding people.
I guess I meant I have less to talk about with other INTPs, since every response can be "Yeah, I know that. Duh."

[Thursday]

Too bad. I feel like the outcast of INFJs. Most of these things sound completely random to me.

I relate more to the average INTP anyway.

yeah !
calling me an ENFJ and shizz :dont:

[ByMySword]

:D



Eeps I think we have some kind of consensus... (though, my 'sexual humor', or at least what comes out of my mouth might be a little lighter.)

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- You don't mind queuing for extended periods of time, this is when you have your most blistering insights... (usually into yourself).

- You kept switching off Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin. It was giving you major dumbchills.

- You are shy but wildly adventurous.

- You know which dreams you should pay attention to.... and you do.

- You're allergic to control, that is, others attempting to control you and you controlling others.

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You judge your date by how well they treat the wait-staff... this judgement is hard to unseat...

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

All are correct except:

Katie Couric - I don't watch at all

Control - I love controlling people, but I'm very hesitant to do it. lol

[ByMySword]

how talkative are your standard INFJ's? do people think they're extroverts just because they like trying new things, join groups etc.?

I think its because we're Introverted F's who want to be noticed and are logical enough to know that we have to get through that uncomfortability to do so. So we go into this faux extrovert mode.

Plus people are just naturally drawn to us when they have problems and for some reason we have this imaginary vest like the people at Wal-mart that says "Tell Me Your Problems!!!". lol

[ByMySword]

Yeah! That's weird. It happens to me a lot. My deja vus are sometimes so strong that I call them double deja vus and triple deja vus. They literally happen again right after the realization of the deja vu. They're so strong experiences, that I must sit down or something. By then my brains are so riddled with the concept of time that I always start to doubt the existence of everything (the world, time, life, me). Then after a minute or two I come back to my senses and ponder whether I should even try to explain my experience to others :doh:

Same on the double/triple deja vu's.

I've been known to stop in mid sentence.

Me: "So thats why E=MC.......whoa.....deja vu."

[Dwigie]

I think its because we're Introverted F's who want to be noticed and are logical enough to know that we have to get through that uncomfortability to do so. So we go into this faux extrovert mode.

Plus people are just naturally drawn to us when they have problems and for some reason we have this imaginary vest like the people at Wal-mart that says "Tell Me Your Problems!!!". lol


:laugh:, yeah they love to confide...actually...it's "too much information" in my opinion at times, but I really enjoy that.

[ByMySword]

+1.

+2 on the deal about our enthusiasm about our interests and how people grinning only encourages us.

I (we?) like building bridges with people... also I am (we are?) very curious!

I'm even better at burning them.

Better make it a statement.

You know you're an INFJ when you burn bridges faster than you build them. ;)

[ByMySword]

:laugh:, yeah they love to confide...actually...it's "too much information" in my opinion at times, but I really enjoy that.

I do and I don't.

Sometimes, I'm not in the mood. But you'd never know it if I don't want to. Sometimes I don't care and have no problem in letting somebody know I'm not interested. lol

When I'm ready for it, though, I do like it. I feel it puts me in a position of power/authority.

Get me one on one with a person and thats when I'm at the top of my game. Thats when I really feel I connect with people.

[sanveane]

All are correct except:

Katie Couric - I don't watch at all

Control - I love controlling people, but I'm very hesitant to do it. lol

Haha, yeah I was flipping around and landed on it, eww uncomfortable!

...Plus people are just naturally drawn to us when they have problems and for some reason we have this imaginary vest like the people at Wal-mart that says "Tell Me Your Problems!!!". lol

I forgot to remark upon this before... but yes... it's quite unbelievable. I used to really like it. But now I feel it puts me at a bit of a disadvantage sometimes. The last few people who opened up to me unexpectedly seemed to then get all freaked out... it made things weird. (I am like a vault with other people's info though. I hate feeling betrayed so wouldn't do that to someone else.)

[Apollanaut]

I can also be very outgoing (some would say loud) when I'm talking passionately about a favourite topic (MBTI for example). This is not true Extraversion, however, as it is limited to the subjects which interest me and can have little relationship to whatever else is going on around me!

[ByMySword]

I can also be very outgoing (some would say loud) when I'm talking passionately about a favourite topic (MBTI for example). This is not true Extraversion, however, as it is limited to the subjects which interest me and can have little relationship to whatever else is going on around me!

Well extroversion is only how one gains their energy. Being an introvert doesn't necessarily mean that one is shy. There are shy extroverts, even.

I myself would be considered an outgoing introvert, which from what it sounds like, many other INFJs would be as well. But we're still introverts because we need that time to ourselves to recharge and we're very self sufficient when alone and don't HAVE to be doing something all the time.

Extroverts tend to get restless at home easier than introverts. Of course, an extrovert can like their alone time as well. My ENFP sister does.

Everyone has these traits. Extroversion/introversion, sensing/intuitive, feeling/thinking, judging/perceiving.

But its where the strongest traits lie that allow people to be typed and how each trait reacts with the others.

[Apollanaut]

Well extroversion is only how one gains their energy. Being an introvert doesn't necessarily mean that one is shy. There are shy extroverts, even.

I myself would be considered an outgoing introvert, which from what it sounds like, many other INFJs would be as well. But we're still introverts because we need that time to ourselves to recharge and we're very self sufficient when alone and don't HAVE to be doing something all the time.

Extroverts tend to get restless at home easier than introverts. Of course, an extrovert can like their alone time as well. My ENFP sister does.

Everyone has these traits. Extroversion/introversion, sensing/intuitive, feeling/thinking, judging/perceiving.

But its where the strongest traits lie that allow people to be typed and how each trait reacts with the others.

Agreed. I conquered my shyness years ago and now have no fears about speaking up in public or approaching new people. I am only a moderate Introvert, but I do need to withdraw frequently to recharge my batteries. My problem is almost the opposite - I lead an active life and sometimes neglect to claim the space I need for renewing my energies. If I do this for too long I can flip into my inferior mode and become a sorry parody of an Extraverted Sensing type for a while!

[ByMySword]

Agreed. I conquered my shyness years ago and now have no fears about speaking up in public or approaching new people. I am only a moderate Introvert, but I do need to withdraw frequently to recharge my batteries. My problem is almost the opposite - I lead an active life and sometimes neglect to claim the space I need for renewing my energies. If I do this for too long I can flip into my inferior mode and become a sorry parody of an Extraverted Sensing type for a while!

Sounds about like me, actually. But I think I'm still a bit more introverted than you, especially when I don't have my Brothers around for support.

But yeah, I've conquered a lot of the shyness. I speak up all the time in class and everything. In fact, more than a lot of people.

And I've definitely had the problem of flipping into my inferior mode. The worst feeling is when you recognize that that's what has happened and you're still in a social environment. Its a total mind fuck.

[Apollanaut]

Sounds about like me, actually. But I think I'm still a bit more introverted than you, especially when I don't have my Brothers around for support.

But yeah, I've conquered a lot of the shyness. I speak up all the time in class and everything. In fact, more than a lot of people.

And I've definitely had the problem of flipping into my inferior mode. The worst feeling is when you recognize that that's what has happened and you're still in a social environment. Its a total mind fuck.

What happens to you in these situations?

[ByMySword]

What happens to you in these situations?

Usually, I retreat into instant Introvert mode. I get really quiet and people start to ask me what's wrong to which I always respond, "nothing" and hope they'll either leave it alone or do something that would actually help me get out of it. Of course, I have no idea what they could do. But I since I can't explain it to them, them just asking is annoying to me.

Its like I'm a car thats just running on fumes. So the only thing to do is turn the engine off, put it in neutral, and push it to the nearest station.

[Lightyear]

You are an INFJ when people at first think you are a cold fish... until they see you start crying at the most random moments, because you watched the news or something like this.

[Dwigie]

Ha..no I don't cry. Been raised "tough", I do feel bad for very long and for very random people that I may not know.
Yes people think I'm a cold fish at first, or they may not...depends.

[edcoaching]

:laugh:, yeah they love to confide...actually...it's "too much information" in my opinion at times, but I really enjoy that.

That is so true. I often interview all the employees of small businesses for teambuilding and so many times I've had to cut off stories or remind them, "Your boss did hire me..." People tell me everything...

[ByMySword]

Ha..no I don't cry. Been raised "tough", I do feel bad for very long and for very random people that I may not know.
Yes people think I'm a cold fish at first, or they may not...depends.

Yeah, I can't remember the last time I cried.

People have told me that I'm very cold. I think its because when analyzing other people's problems, we're very NT about it. Its only around those closest to us that our NF really shows through.

[Jack Flak]

You know you're an INFJ when....

You take LSD to stop hallucinating.

[Kyrielle]

You know you're an INFJ when....

You take LSD to stop hallucinating.

:laugh: How would that actually work?

[Jack Flak]

:laugh: How would that actually work?
Is that a serious question? lol.

[anii]

You're frequently told to stop staring into space.

[Kyrielle]

Is that a serious question? lol.

Not really.

[Jack Flak]

You know you're an INFJ when...

Your silly questions are taken seriously.

[sanveane]

^Hah, bang on...

[ByMySword]

you say the most outlandish things so nonchalantly.

[sanveane]

^haha, your sx variant is definitely coming out to play on this thread...

[MrRandom]

You know you're an INFJ when you'd like to post to this thread, but you can't due to being overly perfectionistic and in fear that your imperfect contribution will be rejected...

[ByMySword]

^haha, your sx variant is definitely coming out to play on this thread...

How do you figure? :huh:

I'm not as keen on the enneagrams.

[Jack Flak]

You know you're not an INFJ when...

You're not as keen on teh enneagrams.

[ByMySword]

You know you're not an INFJ when...

You're not as keen on teh enneagrams.

lol, I've just never read on them that much. I determined mine, but other than that, I really haven't delved into them yet as I've liked to.

[sanveane]

How do you figure? :huh:

I'm not as keen on the enneagrams.

ohh I thought you were into it from your sig. I was just thinking you have intensity like an sx first has if that's what you are. I'm rather into it myself... especially alongside MBTI. There can be some interesting differences between INFJ 9s and INFJ 4s for example.

I liked learning about the enneagram because the tips for growth and health are very specific. It proved useful to me...

[locke]

You wear Ni plated armor and wield an Fe pipe.

[ByMySword]

ohh I thought you were into it from your sig. I was just thinking you have intensity like an sx first has if that's what you are. I'm rather into it myself... especially alongside MBTI. There can be some interesting differences between INFJ 9s and INFJ 4s for example.

I took the test and read over it once and it fit me, but its been awhile since I've looked into it.

Instinct to me is the hardest to type, but me and a couple of friends had concluded that I was sx.

People don't talk about it as much on here, so I've never gotten as into it as I'd like to.

[ByMySword]

You wear Ni plated armor and wield an Fe pipe.

Hell yeah. :2ar15:

[LadyJaye]

...you suddenly find yourself as the leader of the newest LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA frat house....

[Apollanaut]

You are spiritually wise but materially stupid.

[ByMySword]

you ALWAYS have to have the last word.

yes? :huh:

[locke]

you ALWAYS have to have the last word.

yes? :huh:

Not yet, try again.

[ByMySword]

Not yet, try again.

What? You're an INFP!!!!!!!! lol

YOU try again!!!!!!!!!!

[littledarling]

Every Psychic you've been to tells you that you're psychic.

[littledarling]

...And you stay at a job you HATE, where everyone is rude and unfair and downright horrible to you every single day, simply because you signed a one-year contract with them and you have it stuck in your head that you can actually help change these people.

[sanveane]

Every Psychic you've been to tells you that you're psychic.

Hehe, let's all concentrate really hard and bend that spoon in your avatar...

[Dwigie]

you ALWAYS have to have the last word.

yes? :huh:

:laugh:, hell yeah.

[Jack Flak]

You know you're an INFJ when...

You feel guilty for "spamming" the Super Hawt Female Thread.

[Thursday]

you'll organize your groceries by weight, food group, and edibility ; get rang up.....
then forget to bring them with you to the car

[ByMySword]

when saying/writing something, you instinctively go overboard in expressing yourself, and then once you're finished, you realize that there's totally a much simpler way of saying it that gets the point across better than you did with your long explanation.

[iwakar]

:D



Eeps I think we have some kind of consensus... (though, my 'sexual humor', or at least what comes out of my mouth might be a little lighter.)

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- You don't mind queuing for extended periods of time, this is when you have your most blistering insights... (usually into yourself).

- You kept switching off Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin. It was giving you major dumbchills.

- You are shy but wildly adventurous.

- You know which dreams you should pay attention to.... and you do.

- You're allergic to control, that is, others attempting to control you and you controlling others.

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You judge your date by how well they treat the wait-staff... this judgement is hard to unseat...

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

Get outta my head! *tears hair out*

But seriously, I laughed so hard at the first and third points I scared my dog.

[iwakar]

Too bad. I feel like the outcast of INFJs. Most of these things sound completely random to me.

I relate more to the average INTP anyway.

Realization? or aspiration?

[sanveane]

when saying/writing something, you instinctively go overboard in expressing yourself, and then once you're finished, you realize that there's totally a much simpler way of saying it that gets the point across better than you did with your long explanation.


That's what the edit button is for! And you know that, but being INFJ you are caught between wanting to keep things private/simple and feeling like you're betraying yourself if you censor yourself too much.

Get outta my head! *tears hair out*

But seriously, I laughed so hard at the first and third points I scared my dog.

:D

[ByMySword]

That's what the edit button is for! And you know that, but being INFJ you are caught between wanting to keep things private/simple and feeling like you're betraying yourself if you censor yourself too much.

Yeah the edit button is my friend.

And so true on the censoring! :doh:

[edcoaching]

...And you stay at a job you HATE, where everyone is rude and unfair and downright horrible to you every single day, simply because you signed a one-year contract with them and you have it stuck in your head that you can actually help change these people.

lol

[edcoaching]

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- You don't mind queuing for extended periods of time, this is when you have your most blistering insights... (usually into yourself).

- You kept switching off Katie Couric's interview with Sarah Palin. It was giving you major dumbchills.

- You are shy but wildly adventurous.

- You know which dreams you should pay attention to.... and you do.

- You're allergic to control, that is, others attempting to control you and you controlling others.

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You judge your date by how well they treat the wait-staff... this judgement is hard to unseat...

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

These were all right on. Legos...that's why you have children, so you get another crack at them. But no one took me seriously when I asked for the deluxe Millenium Falcon kit so it could fly above my desk...

[Lauren Ashley]

People have told me that I'm very cold. I think its because when analyzing other people's problems, we're very NT about it. Its only around those closest to us that our NF really shows through.


I agree 100 percent. My INTJ friend is more helpful with "others' " issues than I am.

[Dwigie]

When people ask you for advice yet fear simultaneously asking for advice because they know you can be painfully honest. Basically people would rather not ask your opinion on certain things :D like those terrible jeans they were wearing.

[Peguy]

your mental workings are the internal equivalent of the Civil War.

Well that explains my fascination with that time era. In fact come to think of it, the most interesting time periods of ANY country's history is their civil wars.

Oh yeah....I like guns too.

[sade]

When you're happy that this thread exists because others seem to experience the same things as you, but still creeped out because people seem to be inside your head. Or maybe it's just me.
when saying/writing something, you instinctively go overboard in expressing yourself, and then once you're finished, you realize that there's totally a much simpler way of saying it that gets the point across better than you did with your long explanation.
That's what the edit button is for! And you know that, but being INFJ you are caught between wanting to keep things private/simple and feeling like you're betraying yourself if you censor yourself too much.
:doh: yes..

[Peguy]

Yeah which brings up another point: You know you're INFJ if you constantly fall victim to the old saying "Great minds think alike". Your own thoughts and conclusions seem to match up perfectly well with those other people(especially other INFJs); and as a result you're often accused of lacking originality.

[ByMySword]

Well that explains my fascination with that time era. In fact come to think of it, the most interesting time periods of ANY country's history is their civil wars.

Oh yeah....I like guns too.

FINALLY, ANOTHER WHO UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!

:nice:

[IDK123]

when you second guess yourself because you overanalyze and then get mad after you realize you were right in the first place.

[ByMySword]

when you second guess yourself because you overanalyze and then get mad after you realize you were right in the first place.

:doh:........:nice:

100% on target

[ByMySword]

when texting or on instant messaging, you still write everything out grammatically correct.

[sanveane]

Well that explains my fascination with that time era. In fact come to think of it, the most interesting time periods of ANY country's history is their civil wars...

Ever since I was quite small I have been fascinated with something similar - the ending of an order/beginning of a new order, transitions of power... fin de siecle, decline of empires... it's very interesting to be living in NYC with all that is going on atm.

[wolfmaiden14]

when you second guess yourself because you overanalyze and then get mad after you realize you were right in the first place.

Thirded!

[Dwigie]

when texting or on instant messaging, you still write everything out grammatically correct.

haha!:laugh: so true

[ByMySword]

Ever since I was quite small I have been fascinated with something similar - the ending of an order/beginning of a new order, transitions of power... fin de siecle, decline of empires... it's very interesting to be living in NYC with all that is going on atm.

+2

[sade]

Ever since I was quite small I have been fascinated with something similar - the ending of an order/beginning of a new order, transitions of power... fin de siecle, decline of empires... it's very interesting to be living in NYC with all that is going on atm.
+3
Highly fascinating and somewhat sad every now and then.

[ByMySword]

you don't anger easily, but when you do, people better watch out.

[Dwigie]

You can't stand people who are overly polite or who do too much "small"talk..You like being extremely close to people but you hold back because you think they can't handle it.:D

[Peguy]

You can't stand people who are overly polite or who do too much "small"talk..You like being extremely close to people but you hold back because you think they can't handle it.:D(actually..maybe that's just me )

You know you're INFJ when you have to be constantly reminded that your eccentricities are not unique to you, but shared by all other INFJs as well. :tongue:

[Dwigie]

hehe, :blush:...let me edit that. I take that as a "I agree" by the way.

[sanveane]

..You like being extremely close to people but you hold back because you think they can't handle it.:D

^I hate that part :( I think that's why some INFJs come across as cold when we are (I am?) not.

[edcoaching]

Ever since I was quite small I have been fascinated with something similar - the ending of an order/beginning of a new order, transitions of power... fin de siecle, decline of empires... it's very interesting to be living in NYC with all that is going on atm.

So I'm not the only INFJ who read Andersonville when I was 15...

[Thursday]

everyone is convinced of your genius
you, on the left hand, are sold on your mediocrity-yet secretly smug about your brilliance

[edcoaching]

everyone is convinced of your genius
you, on the left hand, are sold on your mediocrity-yet secretly smug about your brilliance

Now that is brilliant :thumbup:

[sanveane]

So I'm not the only INFJ who read Andersonville when I was 15...

^I haven't read it. I started reading Asterix and Obelix comic books when I was about 7 and the interest developed from that. :blush: (They're not popular in the US, but it's a series about a lone Gaulish village that is able to resist Roman occupation... <--- er, yeah they're a lot more entertaining than that sounds).

[sade]

^I haven't read it. I started reading Asterix and Obelix comic books when I was about 7 and the interest developed from that. :blush: (They're not popular in the US, but it's a series about a lone Gaulish village that is able to resist Roman occupation... <--- er, yeah they're a lot more entertaining than that sounds).

The lone Gaul village fighting off the Roman empire. You're not alone, those were great. Then again I read huge amounts of comic books when younger. :blush:

To the previous conversation, you know you're an INFJ when people come telling you they knew that you knew someone because you were standing *that* close to them. Or more likely wondering why you were standing that close in the first place. If only I could hug people in public or at least in private. You never know when they are okay with it..

[Bella]

Do you seriously have a desire to hug strangers?
This is a sincere question.

[sade]

^ Me?
Ah no. I meant people I know and am close to. Friends, family etc.
I seem to unconsciously even keep the space between myself and family members & 2 best friends rather small. So I've sometimes been questioned as to why I was standing so close to that man? Aka my little brother.
I don't have a desire to hug strangers, but if there was a reason I'd need to hug a stranger (to comfort, a social situation, a play etc.) I wouldn't mind doing it.

[Bella]

oh

[edcoaching]

^I haven't read it. I started reading Asterix and Obelix comic books when I was about 7 and the interest developed from that. :blush: (They're not popular in the US, but it's a series about a lone Gaulish village that is able to resist Roman occupation... <--- er, yeah they're a lot more entertaining than that sounds).

Actually my son and I read them after we'd plowed through all the available Tintins. Think they're still upstairs!

[sanveane]

Haha, how cool! :)

[Apollanaut]

You feel your emotions much more strongly when you are alone.

[evan]

You feel your emotions much more strongly when you are alone.

True.

Or when you're talking to a confidant about them.

It seems like INFJs always have a few confidants that they've deemed "strong enough" to hear their shit.

There are two modes: behind the scenes social facilitator, and feeling-processing. They can't really happen at the same time.

[Apollanaut]

True.

Or when you're talking to a confidant about them.

It seems like INFJs always have a few confidants that they've deemed "strong enough" to hear their shit.

There are two modes: behind the scenes social facilitator, and feeling-processing. They can't really happen at the same time.

Absolutely spot-on!

[SuperFob]

Your best friend doesn't make eye contact with you when you pass him/her in the hallway and you expect the next five hours wondering if it means that he/she doesn't want to talk to you anymore.

[sade]

"I cannot cry 'cause the shoulder cries more."
Nightwish - The Poet and the Pendulum
Anyone?

[sanveane]

^:) I have a Nightwish album, haven't heard that song though. Oooh just checked it out quickly, sounds nice and intense... must listen further.

[ByMySword]

"I cannot cry 'cause the shoulder cries more."
Nightwish - The Poet and the Pedulum
Anyone?



Howl! Seven days to the Wolves! Where will we be when they come?

Nightwish- Seven Days to the Wolves

I got your back. :cool:

[Dwigie]

You think you know what's good for people and you make huge efforts to resist the urge to come and tell them what they should do. (Oh god it's like choking! xD..."Maybe you could erase that part...maybe you should do this and the unforgettable: I told you so, why didn't you listen to me?!)
Although you value people's opinion you pretty much always want to have the last word that you believe is yours even if you have been influenced by outside sources.

[MrRandom]

You know you're an INFJ when your words can make an INTJ cry.

[Antisocial one]

You know you're an INFJ when your words can make an INTJ cry.


Give me your best shot.


(I am curious)

[DigitalMethod]

Give me your best shot.


(I am curious)

Don't tempt it, it's true. :puppy_dog_eyes:

[sanveane]

^INFJ door slam? I know anyone can do this but it's a primary defense mechanism for INFJ. (I don't do it anymore, cos I stand up for myself all along the way.)

[evan]

You know you're an INFJ when your words can make an INTJ cry.

LOL!

Give me your best shot.


(I am curious)

I can make anyone cry IRL. Just not online; not enough information. IRL I can see all of your fears and weaknesses. I hold on to the knowledge and almost never use it, but in two cases in my life, I've let go, and wow....yeah....NTs crying...

When I meet a new person, the first thing I do is try to figure them out. I need to know what they're capable of and what they aren't. It's my way of staying "safe" -- I know exactly what they could do to hurt me, so I navigate around those potential situations. A side effect is that I have this "power" over them -- I can pull their strings and they don't even know...

[sanveane]

....When I meet a new person, the first thing I do is try to figure them out. I need to know what they're capable of and what they aren't. It's my way of staying "safe" -- I know exactly what they could do to hurt me, so I navigate around those potential situations. A side effect is that I have this "power" over them -- I can pull their strings and they don't even know...

This is so true. I think it's almost an involuntary process.

In fairness INTJs do cry of course, but I think they really have to care about you for it to happen.

[sade]

dissonance just wrote what I was planning to answer, but decided to deleted it because it sounded too cold hearted, despite true. I don't think I can stop the evaluation from happening.. One of the side effects is that I spot their soft spots pretty easy.

You know you're an INFJ if you can silence the whole classroom after finally getting fed up and voicing your actual opinion. And you were only planning on having a good (albeit slightly aggressive) discussion.

[toonia]

I can make anyone cry IRL. Just not online; not enough information. IRL I can see all of your fears and weaknesses. I hold on to the knowledge and almost never use it, but in two cases in my life, I've let go, and wow....yeah....NTs crying...I don't think it takes that much insight to especially hurt people because our underlying fears tends to be shared. In the same way that public shaming works in most every case to elicit a response of humiliation, the same is true of other underlying fears. You can hurt anyone with a club, but it takes more nuanced tools to repair the damage from the clubbing. Hurting people is much easier than helping them.

I think any type is capable of hurting others if they want to badly enough. Empathy means understanding another person from their point of view. This information I suppose could make it easier to strike a central nerve, but it could also result in sharing the hurt of doing it.

I'm pretty sure I couldn't make anyone cry irl any more than anyone else could. I even have trouble disciplining when leading a group. I can't forcefully affect others without their consent. There is a wall between me and others I think, although I can make more of an impact one on one.

When I meet a new person, the first thing I do is try to figure them out. I need to know what they're capable of and what they aren't. It's my way of staying "safe" -- I know exactly what they could do to hurt me, so I navigate around those potential situations. A side effect is that I have this "power" over them -- I can pull their strings and they don't even know...I do tend to be too self protective and withhold trust until I understand how another person operates. I never entirely conclude anything about others. Although I put effort into understanding the inner "logic" of how anyone thinks that I encounter. When they don't add up, I can obsess about it until I come up with a hypothesis that accounts for the conflicting information. But there is not anyone, including my family and intimate friends, for whom I hold any absolute conclusions about who they are. There are two reasons for this: first, at any snapshot in time an individual is deeply complex to the extent that it might not be possible for us to even know ourselves absolutely, and secondly, people are dynamic changing systems, so there is not a single conclusive definition that will stay in tact over time.

For me being an NF and analytical about the inner subjective worlds of others is the very quality that reasonably results in the need to withhold judgment on at least some level.

[Antisocial one]

dissonance just wrote what I was planning to answer, but decided to deleted it because it sounded too cold hearted, despite true. I don't think I can stop the evaluation from happening.. One of the side effects is that I spot their soft spots pretty easy.

Why do you say that something like this is cold?

[DigitalMethod]

^INFJ door slam? I know anyone can do this but it's a primary defense mechanism for INFJ. (I don't do it anymore, cos I stand up for myself all along the way.)

Well no, I would guess INTJs can deal with door slams. I mean of course it would affect them, but apathy is a good friend.

I was talking more about, feelings.

INTJs tend to, with-hold their feelings and inner self and only allow that to be seen by a select few who they know will accept and understand them.

INFJs usually fit the bill in that regards, if they are close to the INTJ.

I was thinking more-so about a positive cry, not, a negative door-slam-cry.

Although I guess, once the INTJ reveals their inner-teddy, the INFJ would then know the INTJs weak spots and be able to exploit them with just a few words, which in turn could make the INTJ cry. Cry because they were hurt, but more-so because the person they were close to hurt them.

[sade]

Why do you say that something like this is cold?
It feels somewhat cold to me.
My initial response was actually worded rawer than that of dissonances.
Also I could say that because emotional reaction is natural for me and a sort of guide
abandoning it or it snapping off of use (me going on keeping an eye on and analycing mode) does feel somewhat cold.
Mainly because my empathy isn't working propherly and I do come off somewhat cold, cruel and analytical were you to ask me a question
when it had disconnected. Atleast so I've been told by others who've heard what I'd gathered.

The choises in making an INTJ cry seemed to be a huge emotional reaction through something good or something bad. A deep personal insult would be easiest. But to create one is cold. Door slam? That's self defence despite the fact that I tell peole off before that. Not likely to make anyone cry imho, you need to bring out the bigger guns for that. I could make an INTJ cry by being extremely nice to them, something really heartfelt, personal, and out of the corner. I've made an INTP cry that way. It's pretty hard to get a person to give out a positive cry..

[evan]

I don't think it takes that much insight to especially hurt people because our underlying fears tends to be shared. In the same way that public shaming works in most every case to elicit a response of humiliation, the same is true of other underlying fears. You can hurt anyone with a club, but it takes more nuanced tools to repair the damage from the clubbing. Hurting people is much easier than helping them.

Agreed. I was more talking about fears that most people don't see, though :)

I think any type is capable of hurting others if they want to badly enough. Empathy means understanding another person from their point of view. This information I suppose could make it easier to strike a central nerve, but it could also result in sharing the hurt of doing it.

I don't agree. For some, there are people that can be written off, and anything coming out of their mouths is dismissed. Haven't you seen that happen with two people?

One keeps trying to be heard, but everything they say makes it less likely.

I do tend to be too self protective and withhold trust until I understand how another person operates. I never entirely conclude anything about others. Although I put effort into understanding the inner "logic" of how anyone thinks that I encounter. When they don't add up, I can obsess about it until I come up with a hypothesis that accounts for the conflicting information. But there is not anyone, including my family and intimate friends, for whom I hold any absolute conclusions about who they are. There are two reasons for this: first, at any snapshot in time an individual is deeply complex to the extent that it might not be possible for us to even know ourselves absolutely, and secondly, people are dynamic changing systems, so there is not a single conclusive definition that will stay in tact over time.

For me being an NF and analytical about the inner subjective worlds of others is the very quality that reasonably results in the need to withhold judgment on at least some level.

Meh. I'm not saying I figure out exactly who they are. I just start with really wide boundaries and narrow them down over time. If the boundaries are too small then I can get hurt, because I won't predict something. But the boundaries being too large isn't much of a problem.

Anyway, it's that narrowing down process that gives me information about a person that most other people don't bother to look for.

[ByMySword]

^INFJ door slam? I know anyone can do this but it's a primary defense mechanism for INFJ. (I don't do it anymore, cos I stand up for myself all along the way.)

I call it the INFJ bridge burn.

And I don't think using it means that you can't stand up for yourself at all. Before I burn a bridge, I always make sure I've had the last word (which is another way you know you're an INFJ, lol).

I won't just cut off all contact till I have some type of closure, and to me that is making my points heard and having the last word.

After that, its pointless to continue keeping yourself in a position that only brings out negative emotions.

At the same time, I don't just leave because I can't take something anymore. That would be cowardice. I can fight it out with the best of them when I have to, but there are times where one needs to disassociate themselves from a situation. The trick is being mature enough to know when to do that and when not to.

[ByMySword]

Well no, I would guess INTJs can deal with door slams. I mean of course it would affect them, but apathy is a good friend.

I was talking more about, feelings.

INTJs tend to, with-hold their feelings and inner self and only allow that to be seen by a select few who they know will accept and understand them.

INFJs usually fit the bill in that regards, if they are close to the INTJ.

I was thinking more-so about a positive cry, not, a negative door-slam-cry.

Although I guess, once the INTJ reveals their inner-teddy, the INFJ would then know the INTJs weak spots and be able to exploit them with just a few words, which in turn could make the INTJ cry. Cry because they were hurt, but more-so because the person they were close to hurt them.


Yeah, my best friend is an INTJ, Metamorphosis.

I'd like to think that he feels he could talk to me about anything.

And I would never even consider betraying that trust.

[sanveane]

Well no, I would guess INTJs can deal with door slams. I mean of course it would affect them, but apathy is a good friend.

I was talking more about, feelings.

INTJs tend to, with-hold their feelings and inner self and only allow that to be seen by a select few who they know will accept and understand them.

INFJs usually fit the bill in that regards, if they are close to the INTJ.

I was thinking more-so about a positive cry, not, a negative door-slam-cry.

Although I guess, once the INTJ reveals their inner-teddy, the INFJ would then know the INTJs weak spots and be able to exploit them with just a few words, which in turn could make the INTJ cry. Cry because they were hurt, but more-so because the person they were close to hurt them.

Oh ok, I thought you were talking about the bad kind of crying... hehe I like that expression: the INTJs' inner teddy! :D

EDIT: I wouldn't make someone cry on purpose, it just happened over the course of having a relationship with someone who was INTJ.

[Antisocial one]

I find this thread quite interesting.

Why do you guys or girls think that you could make an INTJ(me) to cry in the case that we are friends?

[evan]

I find this thread quite interesting.

Why do you guys or girls think that you could make an INTJ(me) to cry in the case that we are friends?

Because I can see the things that people repress. Everyone does it...

Pull those things to the surface, uncontrollable emotions ensue. If you could control those emotions, why would you repress anything?

[DigitalMethod]

Because I can see the things that people repress. Everyone does it...

Pull those things to the surface, uncontrollable emotions ensue. If you could control those emotions, why would you repress anything?

Dissonance hit it right on the head.

My friends can't make me cry.

It's a type of connection where you allow your feelings to roam and be vulnerable. It's a type of connection where the rewards are always greater. I don't have that with my friends, I only have that my mom and my closest friend.

[Lucifer]

I do not repress emotions, please don't use "everyone" dissonance.

[sanveane]

I call it the INFJ bridge burn.

And I don't think using it means that you can't stand up for yourself at all. Before I burn a bridge, I always make sure I've had the last word (which is another way you know you're an INFJ, lol).

I won't just cut off all contact till I have some type of closure, and to me that is making my points heard and having the last word.

After that, its pointless to continue keeping yourself in a position that only brings out negative emotions.

At the same time, I don't just leave because I can't take something anymore. That would be cowardice. I can fight it out with the best of them when I have to, but there are times where one needs to disassociate themselves from a situation. The trick is being mature enough to know when to do that and when not to.


I meant that I'm more aware of patrolling my borders in real time so I don't have to resort to it. Possibly a poor choice of words on my part. I can always stand up for myself if I don't minimize someone's actions. That's been the problem in the past. I tend to see a number of reasons for why someone is behaving poorly, it negates the emotional impact for me and I tend to cut them a lot of slack. I find complicated people to be interesting and I'm friends with a few people that everyone else pretty much hates. But in reality those people are hated because they can be a pain the arse sometimes. I don't give them as much rope as I used to. I've learned that if I do they will invariably push the button which leads to the door slam thing. Also, I haate drama. So boring.

I've only done the door slam when a person has a pattern of taking a lot of advantage... I lose all respect and interest in that person... It just doesn't seem to get to that point anymore for me. But I like knowing that I have that inside!

[Antisocial one]

Because I can see the things that people repress. Everyone does it...

Pull those things to the surface, uncontrollable emotions ensue. If you could control those emotions, why would you repress anything?

That is true.

I think that I don't repress anything. I simply have huge emotional deficit.


In the case you want to make someone cry, in what areas would you aim?

[sanveane]

Leading question, but do other INFJs find that your imaginings are always very focused? That your 'daydreaming' is with a purpose? I don't think I ever engage in imaginings with out a purpose for any length of time, I very much enjoy thinking about different ways to optimize my own life, i.e. realizing my dreams. I really relate to the sentiment that INFJs are rarely at peace with themselves, always feel that there is something else I should be doing. Anyone else?

[ByMySword]

^^^^^Absolutely. I love going into my Ni mode. But sometimes it can cause me problems, i.e. when I'm at school and really need to be paying attention to what the professor is talking about.

[ByMySword]

You know you're an INFJ when you constantly become tongue tied during conversations because the thoughts in your head are trying to come out faster than your mouth can process them into words.

[sanveane]

^I've often wished I could 'download' thoughts instead of having to translate them exactly into words.

[Thursday]

you think you're an ENFJ, INTJ, INFP , ISFP , ESTP,
and you are.......

[Dwigie]

you thing you're an ENFJ, INTJ, INFP , ISFP , ESTP,
and you are.......
goodness I mistyped as infp and isfp and all of those except for estp it was esfj instead and intp (no way...but it was extremely hard for me to come to a conclusion, I could relate to all of them usually.)

[sanveane]

hmm, I've never thought I was another type.

[sade]

^ I still think I'm another type. It has helped that I know that I'm an I & NF.

[Kyrielle]

You know you're an INFJ when you constantly become tongue tied during conversations because the thoughts in your head are trying to come out faster than your mouth can process them into words.

That's why I speak slowly. I'm trying to, in my head, stand like superman and stop the freight train that is my thoughts long enough to figure out what they even are.

[hideki]

1.) You can read others writing/typing and TELL they're an INFJ.
2.) Japanese groups/people stop their conversation just to observe you, or pay special attention to you.
3.) You'll feel overwhelmingly different from a huge group of people once in a huge while.

[ByMySword]

That's why I speak slowly. I'm trying to, in my head, stand like superman and stop the freight train that is my thoughts long enough to figure out what they even are.

Great analogy. Thats exactly how I feel.

And in response to the above, I've only gotten INFJ as my results like 3 times. All the rest of the time I've been every other type in the book, lol.

[Thursday]

Great analogy. Thats exactly how I feel.

And in response to the above, I've only gotten INFJ as my results like 3 times. All the rest of the time I've been every other type in the book, lol.

oh thank heaven
i thought it was just me

[batumi]

:D



- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!

- Haha, if you haven't made yourself get used to it yet, being looked at by someone directly for any extended period of time feels like being lasered through to the core.

- You judge your date by how well they treat the wait-staff... this judgement is hard to unseat...

- You really miss playing with lego (ok, maybe that's all adults).

Excellent and all so true.

[batumi]

^I've often wished I could 'download' thoughts instead of having to translate them exactly into words.

Bravo, how perfectly and well said.
This is my life, in fact.

[Thunderlight]

you know youre an INFJ if:

Someone sees you and asks whats wrong, and this makes you feel even more sad because you have to tell them you dont know whats wrong...

You never want to go to sleep because you dont want to miss anything...

You want to read your favorite book from the different perspectives of all the characters involved...

everyone's personality has a different "flavor"....

people ask you if youre on drugs...

you wish people would engage in more physical contact...(not that way gutterminds)

You try to imagine people's entire lives while you watch them walk across campus...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write...

In your mind you can make the happiest song bring you to tears...

(true/ not?)

[sanveane]

you know youre an INFJ if:

You never want to go to sleep because you dont want to miss anything...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write...


:laugh: +1

[Dwigie]

Writing is like speaking to you, you write "as you speak", it comes naturally but speaking is actually like writing it takes more work. :P

[sanveane]

^Er, yes.

You're trading jokes close to the line of personal insult with one of your friends (who you know can take it, not in front of anyone else and they're giving as good as they're getting!) You're ok with it until later on when you are reliving the conversation and you start to wonder if you could have hurt them. (Ah nooo!) The minute chance that you may have hurt them will drive you to a distraction only settled by many text messages in the style of er, you knew I was kidding, right?. *sigh*

[sade]

^ That(!) and..
You're trading jokes close to the line of personal insult with one of your friends (who you know can take it, not in front of anyone else and they're giving as good as they're getting!) You're ok with it until.. your friend suddenly sobers up and tells you that had s/he not known you, that would have sounded so bad. If someone who didn't know you was listening..

I wish I'd seen this when I was a child, would've saved me from so much trouble: How to get along with people. (http://www.infj.com/WOW17.htm)

[sade]

you know youre an INFJ if:
You never want to go to sleep because you dont want to miss anything...

You want to read your favorite book from the different perspectives of all the characters involved...

you wish people would engage in more physical contact...(not that way gutterminds) (I like that but I'm not certain if other INFJs agree..)

You try to imagine people's entire lives while you watch them walk across campus...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write... (siiiiigh)
:yes:

[sanveane]

^ That(!) and..
You're trading jokes close to the line of personal insult with one of your friends (who you know can take it, not in front of anyone else and they're giving as good as they're getting!) You're ok with it until.. your friend suddenly sobers up and tells you that had s/he not known you, that would have sounded so bad. If someone who didn't know you was listening..

I wish I'd seen this when I was a child, would've saved me from so much trouble: How to get along with people. (http://www.infj.com/WOW17.htm)


^:) I am so careful not to do this in front of anyone else, it would be disrespectful then. It never turns to one-upmanship or put-downs, it's all about the jokes!

[gloomy-optimist]

you know youre an INFJ if:

You want to read your favorite book from the different perspectives of all the characters involved...

everyone's personality has a different "flavor"....

people ask you if youre on drugs...

You try to imagine people's entire lives while you watch them walk across campus...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write...


Definitely yes :)

[gloomy-optimist]

You can't stand the idea of insulting anyone you don't know, but you're perfectly fine with threatening your best friend

[ByMySword]

you know youre an INFJ if:

Someone sees you and asks whats wrong, and this makes you feel even more sad because you have to tell them you dont know whats wrong...

You never want to go to sleep because you dont want to miss anything...

You want to read your favorite book from the different perspectives of all the characters involved...

everyone's personality has a different "flavor"....

people ask you if youre on drugs...

you wish people would engage in more physical contact...(not that way gutterminds)

You try to imagine people's entire lives while you watch them walk across campus...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write...

In your mind you can make the happiest song bring you to tears...

(true/ not?)

Pretty much all true. Especially the ones in bold.

[Dwigie]

You could convince anyone to have faith in you yet you always second guess secretly.Actually, you're a damn good liar :) and people believe you for some odd reason:
"You would never do this", "You're such a good person"
pffft! xD

[ByMySword]

You could convince anyone to have faith in you yet you always second guess secretly.Actually, you're a damn good liar :) and people believe you for some odd reason:
"You would never do this", "You're such a good person"
pffft! xD

SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ByMySword]

people think you are soooo self-less, and to a point thats correct, but what they don't realize is that all of your self-less acts contain an advantage for you as well.

So while you really do care for the people you help, you're not going away empty-handed. Its kind of like killing two birds with one stone.

[sanveane]

^Aww I just like helping people sometimes. I cannot walk away from someone in need, I hate that sometimes. Maybe there is some kind of charge to that, though I don't seem to knowingly feel it.

You could convince anyone to have faith in you yet you always second guess secretly.Actually, you're a damn good liar :) and people believe you for some odd reason:
"You would never do this", "You're such a good person"
pffft! xD

I was wondering who would affirm this, lol. I think an INFJ could be one of the most manipulative people ever. (Actually though I know he's been typed as INTJ, I've often wondered if Hannibal Lecter coulda been INFJ gone really bad). I would never, y'know, manipulate...

Which brings me to my next point:

You know that you're an INFJ when you could talk about your own childhood/stream of consciousness/plans for the future all day long! Gawd we must bore people sometimes. (EDIT: oh, but you don't do that a lot irl.)

[Dwigie]

^Aww I just like helping people sometimes. I cannot walk away from someone in need, I hate that sometimes. Maybe there is some kind of charge to that, though I don't seem to knowingly feel it.



I was wondering who would affirm this, lol. I think an INFJ could be one of the most manipulative people ever. (Actually though I know he's been typed as INTJ, I've often wondered if Hannibal Lecter coulda been INFJ gone really bad). I would never, y'know, manipulate... but when I was little I really could see other people so clearly for who they were. I remember my Aunt telling my mom re: me that you always have to watch the 'dark horse', eeps I was so shocked that she saw something like that in me. It made me determined not to ever be that kind of person.

Which brings me to my next point:

You know that you're an INFJ when you could talk about your own childhood/stream of consciousness/plans for the future all day long! Gawd we must bore people sometimes.
Oh yeah, no doubt psychologists would make millions off our pockets.:)

[sanveane]

^Yeah, except that we are our own best therapists!

[Thursday]

wherever you go, people think you work there
and or you're mistaken for things you're not officially

ex.
i was in borders(typical Introvert territory)
and this guy walked up to me while i was reading*asshole*
and asked " could you order this book for me by [random author here] ?"

I returned a quizzical look, and replied " follow me "
i went over to the nearest computer and picked up the phone
" customer service up stairs *hangs up phone* ; someone will be with you, i'm on break "

i've been mistaken for a cop, a black belt karate guy, a football player, and a borders employee - all while standing in a day dream that someone had to harrison ford -argh !

[Dwigie]

wherever you go, people think you work there
and or you're mistaken for things you're not officially

ex.
i was in borders(typical Introvert territory)
and this guy walked up to me while i was reading*asshole*
and asked " could you order this book for me by [random author here] ?"

I returned a quizzical look, and replied " follow me "
i went over to the nearest computer and picked up the phone
" customer service up stairs *hangs up phone* ; someone will be with you, i'm on break "

i've been mistaken for a cop, a black belt karate guy, a football player, and a borders employee - all while standing in a day dream that someone had to harrison ford -argh !

Yea people think I always work in places, but I assume it has to do with my outward appearance and stereotypes. Young girl, bored looking(boy, I really wish I didn't work here), black(let's be real here, everyone has little biases -_-) and people tend to think I know directions to places too.:D

[faith]

you know youre an INFJ if:

Someone sees you and asks whats wrong, and this makes you feel even more sad because you have to tell them you dont know whats wrong...

You never want to go to sleep because you dont want to miss anything...

You want to read your favorite book from the different perspectives of all the characters involved...

everyone's personality has a different "flavor"....

people ask you if youre on drugs...

you wish people would engage in more physical contact...(not that way gutterminds)

You try to imagine people's entire lives while you watch them walk across campus...

picking a name for a character in your story takes days while the story only took two hours to write...

In your mind you can make the happiest song bring you to tears...

(true/ not?)

true. all of them.

[Thursday]

bravo thunderlight

[sade]

You could convince anyone to have faith in you yet you always second guess secretly.Actually, you're a damn good liar :) and people believe you for some odd reason:
"You would never do this", "You're such a good person"
pffft! xD

:whistling:
I don't understand why people get convinced. It's strange.
And for the second part, the only person aware of that tendency of mine is mom. Sometimes she laughs at people (naturally when we're alone) for thinking me to be a better person than I am or thinking those things of me. I simply wonder inside my head; how people don't notice it. It's really clear in my eyes. Actually my granny laughs at this too. The same when I give them detailed describtions of people and my thoughts of them. I do sometimes feel offended when mom asks that "What did you get out of it?" "What did that help with?" I'm not that bad. She does know though that I like to help people out. I just happen to get a bigger pay check also if they give their shifts etc to me.. And no, I didn't make them give them to me. I would never manipulate someone.

I do sometimes help people on the street. Or if some granny comes asking where the cereals are in the store. siiigh.. Then again I do sometimes receive unused parking tickets etc. Karma?

[gloomy-optimist]

In summary: people you've never met or met recently ask you for favors/help/advice. Randomly. And they sometimes begin with "I've never told anyone else this, but...."

[Dwigie]

In summary: people you've never met or met recently ask you for favors/help/advice. Randomly. And they sometimes begin with "I've never told anyone else this, but...."
Jackpot! got that about 3 weeks ago!I actually like the feeling,it makes me feel useful, I like being "useful" in that sense.
Even if at times people overdo in that "trust".I'm a human being, of course I'll slip sometimes.

[MrRandom]

You know you're an INFJ when others take you seriously when you are only joking and think you are joking when you are actually serious. This happens to me a lot.

You know you're an INFJ when all your childhood you've heard how you're somehow more mature than others.

You know you're an INFJ when you don't pay attention to your body's signals. You'd rather eat later, go to sleep later, go to the toilet later, go see a doctor later...

I think an INFJ could be one of the most manipulative people ever.
I was extremely manipulative already as a four-year-old kid. I got other kids to do anything, for example completely destroying their own favorite toy (which was followed by them realizing what happened and crying nonstop). I was never intentionally evil; I was merely experimenting with the power of words, the non-physical power I can have over others. I know that doesn't justify it in any way, but please remember that I was just a toddler. It took few more years to develop a greater sense of empathy.

[gloomy-optimist]

Jackpot! got that about 3 weeks ago!I actually like the feeling,it makes me feel useful, I like being "useful" in that sense.
Even if at times people overdo in that "trust".I'm a human being, of course I'll slip sometimes.

Yeah; sometimes it gets really awkward...one girl I just met told me basically how she was suicidal when she was younger, though she said she didn't tell anyone...and it gets hard trying to make sure you're not betraying anyone's secrets sometimes

[Dwigie]

Yeah; sometimes it gets really awkward...one girl I just met told me basically how she was suicidal when she was younger, though she said she didn't tell anyone...and it gets hard trying to make sure you're not betraying anyone's secrets sometimes
Similar experience but now that I think about it, I think I simply "attracted" this kind of behavior from others to me in a way?
This girl I knew before had family problems, her mother passed away and her father was having financial problems. So I felt really bad for her because she came into my class and nobody was paying any attention to her whatsoever:(.Poor girl!She wasn't new but people would just ignore her. Having dealt with something similar very recently I decided to "take care?"of her in a way. I'm pretty resilient emotionally so I cope rather well. I told her she seemed completely lost and lonely in class randomly one day while she was in the bathroom xD(I was speaking to her when she was on the trone :P). So then I told her pretty implicit things and comments as a way to get closer to her and I was really "natural" about it so it made her comfortable I guess. Then she kept pouring her heart onto me regularly, I appreciate her a lot.
I read in the infp and infj "closer look" that infj tend to be more self-disclosing, true for me.:yes: It's funny because I don't consider her a close friend of mine at all:D.I think if she were a stranger...I'd do the same. I'm pretty "open" in that sense...Are you guys like that too?

[gloomy-optimist]

Similar experience but now that I think about it, I think I simply "attracted" this kind of behavior from others to me in a way?
This girl I knew before had family problems, her mother passed away and her father was having financial problems. So I felt really bad for her because she came into my class and nobody was paying any attention to her whatsoever:(.Poor girl!She wasn't new but people would just ignore her. Having dealt with something similar very recently I decided to "take care?"of her in a way. I'm pretty resilient emotionally so I cope rather well. I told her she seemed completely lost and lonely in class randomly one day while she was in the bathroom xD(I was speaking to her when she was on the trone :P). So then I told her pretty implicit things and comments as a way to get closer to her and I was really "natural" about it so it made her comfortable I guess. Then she kept pouring her heart onto me regularly, I appreciate her a lot.
I read in the infp and infj "closer look" that infj tend to be more self-disclosing, true for me.:yes: It's funny because I don't consider her a close friend of mine at all:D.I think if she were a stranger...I'd do the same. I'm pretty "open" in that sense...Are you guys like that too?

Definitely, to a degree; I've said before that I'm an "open book" if the situation, person, and mood calls for it. There's basically nothing that I won't tell someone else, if I feel they won't judge me on it. The only problem is, I waaaay too often feel judged. And even if someone means well, if they overreact to it in any way, it becomes uncomfortable for me; there's a very exact mood that needs to be portrayed, but when that condition exists, I'm a very open person.

[Thunderlight]

wherever you go, people think you work there
and or you're mistaken for things you're not officially

yes! this has definitely happened to me a lot! In clothing stores, book stores, and sports clothes stores.

Has anyone else notices that we talk about people spilling their brains out to us, but here we are doing the same. I think its because people usually don't give us the same time? I feel this way anyways...

[Thursday]

yes! this has definitely happened to me a lot! In clothing stores, book stores, and sports clothes stores.

Has anyone else notices that we talk about people spilling their brains out to us, but here we are doing the same. I think its because people usually don't give us the same time? I feel this way anyways...

perhaps INFJs only vent to other INFJs ?
nah
i spilled the black beans to an ISTJ and INFP

[Apollanaut]

^Aww I just like helping people sometimes. I cannot walk away from someone in need, I hate that sometimes. Maybe there is some kind of charge to that, though I don't seem to knowingly feel it.

I'm like that as well, except that sometimes I do get a big charge if I've been particularly selfless when helping others.

[Apollanaut]

You know you're an INFJ when you even confuse yourself!

[Thursday]

You know you're an INFJ when you even confuse yourself!

do you know how many times i've doubted and or changed my type ?
more than i've posted a thread about it
so its about 100 times in a year.

[batumi]

You say something abstract and interesting that you don't remember thinking about first and others are impressed by it.
Example. I once said that someone who spoke very persuasively could "talk a piece of moldy bread into a wedding cake".

[Thursday]

You say something abstract and interesting that you don't remember thinking about first and others are impressed by it.
Example. I once said that someone who spoke very persuasively could "talk a piece of moldy bread into a wedding cake".

*anticipates with fork and coffee :coffee:

P.S. I don't drink coffee

[Dwigie]

do you know how many times i've doubted and or changed my type ?
more than i've posted a thread about it
so its about 100 times in a year.

Oh boy, I can relate.The funny thing is, I'm starting to think that either I was extremely biased in my answers at first and got ESFJ (What I'm supposed to "strive to be"?).After reading a while, it sounded great to me...nobody agreed.And yeah I'll admit I did picture for that "such a good person" archetype=> outgoing, fun, responsible, down to earth etc..
Then I got INTP, I spoke to some of them...it quickly became clear that was not me.xD, ISFP:Now that was a really close one but I'm just too much into "the clouds"...and not that open-ended anyways.I don't mind letting people make decisions but one has to be made, quick.:D Then I accidentally fell onto the INFJ portrait and personal growth page especially: ;).
Fitted me more than INFP I had settled for a while back.

[toonia]

I think any type is capable of hurting others if they want to badly enough. Empathy means understanding another person from their point of view. This information I suppose could make it easier to strike a central nerve, but it could also result in sharing the hurt of doing it.


I don't agree. For some, there are people that can be written off, and anything coming out of their mouths is dismissed. Haven't you seen that happen with two people?

One keeps trying to be heard, but everything they say makes it less likely.
I agree that people write each other off - maybe even most of the time. Empathy is a rather underused skill from what I've seen. What I meant is that the more naturally empathetic the person is, the greater the cost in hurting others because they share in the repercussions. If it is the type of empathy that experiences alongside another person and not the type that analyzes from a distance to view a system. I suppose I focus on both approaches, but the analysis tends to result in the experiencing to at least some degree.

I knew someone who was hurting someone I cared a great deal about. My first response was anger and I could see a particular fracture in that person's mind. They had a pathological fear of something that represented traits that they also possessed. My true understanding of that individual did not come until I spent time thinking from her vantage point. I then saw that the initial observation was not as important as a deeper, more holistic picture. I think that this person could have been deeply hurt by exploiting the specific fracture, but equally so by the tried and true generalized way people club one another with shame, fear, pain, etc.

In one way it is not possible to hurt someone else without damaging some part of self as well because if we had lived the other person's life, we might behave exactly as they do. Intolerance towards others ultimately results in intolerance for our self. We place a condition on the type of circumstances that produce certain behaviors that we find acceptable and thank god we happen to fall into the right category. That's a hard way to live.

Apologies for going a little off topic. It is an issue of central importance to me though, so hard to leave alone. Maybe you know you are an infj when you start over analyzing on a tangent. :newwink:

[sade]

You know you're an INFJ when others take you seriously when you are only joking and think you are joking when you are actually serious. This happens to me a lot.

You know you're an INFJ when all your childhood you've heard how you're somehow more mature than others.

You know you're an INFJ when you don't pay attention to your body's signals. You'd rather eat later, go to sleep later, go to the toilet later, go see a doctor later...

I relate, too much infact.

About spilling the beans in this thread, I think it's partly because expression through writing is easy to us and the fact that we've got so many people here who relate and understand...?

[ByMySword]

You say something abstract and interesting that you don't remember thinking about first and others are impressed by it.
Example. I once said that someone who spoke very persuasively could "talk a piece of moldy bread into a wedding cake".

Yep.

[ByMySword]

Apologies for going a little off topic. It is an issue of central importance to me though, so hard to leave alone. Maybe you know you are an infj when you start over analyzing on a tangent. :newwink:

Most definitely. Especi