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prplchknz
09-24-2008, 04:07 AM
So I noticed alot of people get upset when their name is mispronounced. Why? I mean what makes people so upset if they're called by the wrong thing? I've never been bothered if someone calls me not my name, as long as I know they're talking to me. Afterall too me it's just a name, one semester I had a professor that kept forgetting my name, I almost went "What name do I look like? I'll go by that" because to me I'm not attached to the name I've been given. So why do people put so much stress in names, it's just a title you were given at birth.
I'm really curious. It just seems like a stupid thing to get upset over.
file cabinet
09-24-2008, 04:13 AM
my sister had a name when she was younger that (as far as I know) was the only one of its kind. No one knew how to pronounce her name. being a young kid and constantly traumatized by people butchering her name became extremely unpleasant for her. she changed her name to her middle name. then after like 15 years she changed it back to her first again.
to me, a name is a part of someone's identity. and in the case of my sister during her growing up period, it was hard to deal with. my mom also had a last name that no one could correctly pronounce so she was extremely happy to marry a man with the last name Smith.
Chris_in_Orbit
09-24-2008, 04:31 AM
Whats in a name? Thats such a great phrase. I use it as my excuse for many situations because I hardly -ever- remember anyone's name, and yes people hate that about me.
Have you ever heard that a person's name is the sweetest word their ears can hear? I guess it really is true. Your name really is a part of you, its taken me a while to realize that.
EffEmDoubleyou
09-24-2008, 05:32 AM
My name is never mispronounced, but it's misspelled ALL THE TIME. And it's not even an unusual name. It just makes me think that people are stupid and/or careless. It doesn't upset me, but it definitely gives me a poor impression of the person in question.
Bella
09-24-2008, 06:00 AM
In real life I have a deliciously different name. I can never find it on name-meaning sites or in books. It used to bother me but now I like it.
Edahn
09-24-2008, 06:05 AM
I don't get too pissed when people mispronounce my name, but I can never feel close to a person who can't say it. I'm not 100% sure why. I can speculate, but I'm just not sure.
Actually, I've been somewhat contemplating which name I should choose for becoming a citizen here in the United States. I've been tinkering around with the name Nol (it's my gaming alias). My father has told me that if he could of changed my name back then, he would of spelled it Nole. I have until tomorrow before the inauguration ceremony but I'll probably just stick with the spelling of my original name. Oh the possibilities!
I spell my name Noel and My name is pronounced like a grassy knoll / Nole rather than No*el / Noël. At this juncture in my life, I've grown accustomed to both. It's the [pseudo]derivatives that bother me the most: like Joel, Noah, Nolan, etc. I recognize they're trying, but just ask if you forget - I've already forgotten your name the second you told me.
Edahn
09-24-2008, 06:18 AM
Spell it "Nole."
ajblaise
09-24-2008, 06:23 AM
So why do people put so much stress in names, it's just a title you were given at birth.
Names are given so much importance because they are the universally accepted symbols that represent individuals.
My name is impossible to mispronounce, so I don't understand why some people get up in arms about people getting their name wrong. Maybe it's akin to a Japanese person getting offended by someone calling them Chinese.
01011010
09-24-2008, 06:40 AM
Names are given so much importance because they are the universally accepted symbols that represent individuals.
Yes. I think your right.
substitute
09-24-2008, 11:54 AM
I was never attached to my name before, because for reasons you can imagine, I didn't feel that that name described who I was. I actually hated it and always wanted to change it but couldn't think of anything I could change it *to*, except male names which weren't allowed for me then lol
I went through a period of my transition where I was obliged by health system rules (:rolleyes:) to live full time in the male gender role, but yet I didn't look convincingly male yet, the hormones hadn't had time to kick in properly. So I went under a gender neutral name, intending to 'upgrade' it later, to avoid being arrested for fraud every time I used my credit card :laugh:
When I reached a point where I could upgrade the name, I did hate being called the shortened, gender neutral version of it for a long time. It kinda felt like y'know, I'd sweated blood and tears for the right to have this MALE name, don't you fucking gender neutral me now!!! :steam:
But now I'm more laid back about it and don't really care what people call me. Even if it's disrespectful, I'm confident I can reciprocate more wittily :D
Trinity
09-24-2008, 12:08 PM
Same as OP, I could care less what people call me, it holds no value, in fact I tend to give out random names whenever strangers speak to me if I'm in a group just for the fun of seeing the next person decide if they are gonna follow in suit or stutter. I rarely correct people if they get my name wrong.
ajblaise
09-24-2008, 12:14 PM
One way I think names separate us from different cultures is that they all give out radically different sounding audible symbols for names. I remember a really small kid from South Korea came to my high school, he had a messed up name that no one could pronounce which alienated him even more. I renamed him "G Fresh" and by having a cool name, he almost became cool. Everyone would say hi to him, teachers even called him G Fresh.
I think we should easily be able to change our legal names, even encouraged.
substitute
09-24-2008, 12:24 PM
In the UK it is easy to change your name officially, it can be done for the equivalent of $10 in one day. In fact, there's a law here that says you're allowed to use any name you please as long as it's not for fraudulent purposes.
For some people, I guess they relate strongly to their name, it means something to them, so it'd irritate them or upset them to have it incorrectly used or whatever. I suppose like you're calling them something they're not. But for others who feel their name doesn't accurately represent who they are (such as those with gender identity issues or who were say, given crazy names by hippie parents whose way of life the kid disagrees with etc), I guess being called by your 'real' name is worse than being called Butthead ...lol I know I used to say to people quite sincerely that I didn't care if they called me shit-head or whatever they liked as long as it wasn't THAT name my parents gave me.
Since a person's name is so closely identified with the person themselves, I agree that people should have the right to choose for themselves how they're labelled. It always irritates me when I hear my friend saying of another friend "You know, JAMES" with audible quote marks around the name, as if to say he sees it as not valid because it wasn't the name registered on his birth certificate. I find that mentality very bizarre... I don't know how it can really stand up logically, the idea that something having been merely written on a piece of paper when a person was too young to have a say in the matter becomes the only official or valid label for them for the rest of their lives... like the individual's personal authority over who they are is completely irrelevant :huh:
Jack Flak
09-24-2008, 12:31 PM
If you find yourself at the library or bookstore, find a book with Asimov's short story "Spell my name with an 's'."
INTJMom
09-24-2008, 01:55 PM
So I noticed alot of people get upset when their name is mispronounced. Why? I mean what makes people so upset if they're called by the wrong thing? I've never been bothered if someone calls me not my name, as long as I know they're talking to me. Afterall too me it's just a name, one semester I had a professor that kept forgetting my name, I almost went "What name do I look like? I'll go by that" because to me I'm not attached to the name I've been given. So why do people put so much stress in names, it's just a title you were given at birth.
I'm really curious. It just seems like a stupid thing to get upset over.
According to Dale Carnegie, in How To Win Friends and Influence People,
an excellent book, by the way, for learning to get along better with people,
"...a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language."
The highlight points of the book are here:
How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie (http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html)
substitute
09-24-2008, 02:06 PM
According to Dale Carnegie, in How To Win Friends and Influence People,
an excellent book, by the way, for learning to get along better with people,
"...a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language."
The highlight points of the book are here:
How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie (http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html)
Not having read the book, I'm guessing this is behind the general schmoozing advice of using people's names when you're talking to them. Like "Look, Bob, the thing is, Bob, you know this thing here..." and "I don't really wanna do that, Bob" and that sort of thing?
Seems to work on people of average/low intelligence, who seem to buy it as a sign of sincerity. I've found that with smarter people though it tends to just be annoying. I know I find it irritating and my estimation of the person's sincerity goes down with each use of my name in that way.
Jack Flak
09-24-2008, 02:10 PM
I've read that, and it is advice for exactly "Influencing People," and somewhat effective if done properly (not overdone).
The book is sociologically significant, and should be read by everyone if only to know how a lot of P.R. ideas were spread.
Becuase I have an unusual first name it is often mispronounce or mispelled. It happens so much I have kind of gotten used to it. It doesn't really bother me.
What I find really annoy it that there is a person where I work whose name is a little bit like mine, and people keep calling me her name. Her name is Ida, which is like Ilah, but not a mispronounciating because there is no d in my name.
Ilah
Jack Flak
09-24-2008, 02:12 PM
Ida know, they are kinha similar.
prplchknz
09-25-2008, 12:04 AM
personally I'd find it annoying if someone kept repeating my name every few sentences. I'm glad you know my name, and I know my own name. since I'm the only person you're talking to can we not say it every other word?
so I guess the two extreme types are the people who don't give a flying fuck about their name, and you can call them whatever you feel like that day as long as it isn't too offensive and those who are attached to their name, and those people you should probably try to get their name correct.
Technically your name could be pronouced many different ways depending on the language being spoken. I found this out about my name, which is hard to to mispronounce in English, a couple of years ago when someone sent me a Happy Birthday message in 5 different languages. It doesn't bother me.
whatever
09-25-2008, 12:15 AM
:laugh: nobody could pronounce my name in Brazil because Hs aren't pronounced, there was no TH combo and Rs were pronounced as Hs :doh: I got called either "rather" by english students or "foreigner" by non-english students. It really didn't bother me much, as long as I knew when I was the one being refered to!
I don't like it when people repeat my name frequently in conversation though- it makes me feel like they're trying to make me like them or sell me something :doh: I didn't even know that it was a tip in how to win friends and influence people!
prplchknz
09-25-2008, 12:17 AM
:laugh: nobody could pronounce my name in Brazil because Hs aren't pronounced, there was no TH combo and Rs were pronounced as Hs :doh: I got called either "rather" by english students or "foreigner" by non-english students. It really didn't bother me much, as long as I knew when I was the one being refered to!
I don't like it when people repeat my name frequently in conversation though- it makes me feel like they're trying to make me like them or sell me something :doh: I didn't even know that it was a tip in how to win friends and influence people!
yes when people repeat my name, I'm always like what are you selling?
Also I find it more annoying when someone has been calling me the wrong thing and begins apologizing....dude....if I cared I would have corrected you.
whatever
09-25-2008, 12:19 AM
yes when people repeat my name, I'm always like what are you selling?
Also I find it more annoying when someone has been calling me the wrong thing and begins apologizing....dude....if I cared I would have corrected you.
I tend NOT to correct people when they call me the wrong thing- deception is sometimes a joy :devil:
(people VERY frequently beleive my name is Hannah... *shrugs* whatever :rolli:)
prplchknz
09-25-2008, 12:22 AM
I tend NOT to correct people when they call me the wrong thing- deception is sometimes a joy :devil:
(people VERY frequently beleive my name is Hannah... *shrugs* whatever :rolli:)
for me it's debbie, but mostly cuz I don't ennuciate, and it was more of a problem when I was younger. My grandpa, the last time I was visting, for some reason kept introducing me as his grand daughter debbie, so now at his country club, I'm know as debbie :laugh: I pretty much told someone who had been calling me the wrong name (well it wasn't wrong just not what I go by) that I'll respond to anything.
I'm like a dog in that aspect, especially if you're holding out food.
Aimahn
09-25-2008, 12:27 AM
lol people usually get lazy pronouncing my name. To many syllables for them. Most of my friends shorten it to manuel or Eman, some call me manny, my soccer friends and coaches call me Aimahn and some people get a kick out of it and really enunciate each syllable. My last name people consistently butcher and its only 5 letters and one of those racecar deals(can't and too lazy to figure out the word to describe that)
Tallulah
09-25-2008, 05:15 AM
It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when someone has seen my name in writing a trillion times, and they still can't spell it right. I make a point of spelling people's names correctly, probably because mine has a different spelling. If I'm emailing you on a regular basis, signing my name, and you NEVER take the time to notice how it's spelled, it just seems thoughtless to me. I'm always more impressed by people who take the time to spell it right.
Firelie
09-25-2008, 05:29 AM
I get upset when people mispronounce my name because it involves two of the most common names in the English language, and frankly I think they should be easy to pronounce after like...a thousand years or more of existence.
No, but seriously, what bothers me more is when people read the name "Elizabeth" and instantly decide to call me "Liz" without asking whether I go by it or not.
EffEmDoubleyou
09-25-2008, 06:23 AM
That's effed up, Lizzie.
I have a co-workers who spells my name wrong in e-mails she sends me. But our e-mail addresses at work are all first name.last name@company, so she has my name spelled correctly right there in the "to" portion of the e-mail.
Ilah
It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when someone has seen my name in writing a trillion times, and they still can't spell it right. I make a point of spelling people's names correctly, probably because mine has a different spelling. If I'm emailing you on a regular basis, signing my name, and you NEVER take the time to notice how it's spelled, it just seems thoughtless to me. I'm always more impressed by people who take the time to spell it right.
prplchknz
09-25-2008, 05:33 PM
my cousin's daughter is named Isla (pronounced Ilah) and she's less then one and people always pronounce it Is-la she's going to have a fun time when she's older.
Tallulah
09-25-2008, 09:58 PM
I have a co-workers who spells my name wrong in e-mails she sends me. But our e-mail addresses at work are all first name.last name@company, so she has my name spelled correctly right there in the "to" portion of the e-mail.
Ilah
Yeah, that's what kills me. It's RIGHT THERE, and surely, they've noticed that it's an unusual name. So you'd think they'd take the time to look up there in the To: line and get it right. It just seems lazy.
I've never tried it before, but it might be amusing to spell that person's name wrong back to them. Especially if they have a common name. Just start spelling "Lisa" "Leizza" or something.
Firelie
09-25-2008, 10:18 PM
That's effed up, Lizzie.
When you least expect it, I will kill you.
kyuuei
09-25-2008, 10:25 PM
In real life I have a deliciously different name. I can never find it on name-meaning sites or in books. It used to bother me but now I like it.
<pouts> I want a delicious name..
If I ever have children though, I am giving them unique names. My name is so common you can swing a dead cat and hit someone with it, albeit I spell it different than the common way. But my children will have nice edible names.
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