Trent Reznor

[Kora]

I always thought of him as an INTP, but I also read that he might be an INTJ.
Could anyone enlighten me? I'm not very good at typing real persons.

[Evan]

Either INFP or INTJ. Definitely N and definitely an Fi user.

Not a chance at INTP, though, as INTPs are extremely unlikely to be capable of expressing that amount of depth of feeling so clearly.

I'd lean toward INFP.

[ajblaise]

An INTJ would not have come up with the video for Closer. I might guess INFP.

[Evan]

^Good point.

Yeah, INFP is most likely.

[Thursday]

^Good point.

Yeah, INFP is most likely.

:headphne:

Fi vs Fe

there is no you, there is only me

and....

see capital G lyrics

[Evan]

"Don't you tell me how I feel
Don't you tell me how I feel
Don't you tell me how I feel
YOU DON'T KNOW JUST HOW I FEEEEEEEEEEL!!!!"

Sooooooooo Fi.

[Jack Flak]

I'm not saying he's INTP, I don't really think he is, but I've written (bad) lyrics like Reznor's. Depth of feeling indeed.

[Lateralus]

An INTJ would not have come up with the video for Closer. I might guess INFP.
No greater truth has ever been written.

[Kora]

"Don't you tell me how I feel
Don't you tell me how I feel
Don't you tell me how I feel
YOU DON'T KNOW JUST HOW I FEEEEEEEEEEL!!!!"

Sooooooooo Fi.

I agree with the whole he's a INFP, but those lyrics might sound like a T talking about reppressed emotions.

[Jack Flak]

I agree with Kora, and I say that he must be judged as a man, not as an artist. His art could have come from several different perspectives.

[Kora]

I agree with Kora, and I say that he must be judged as a man, not as an artist. His art could have come from several different perspectives.

Now that you say that... How would be Ti lyrics?

[Jack Flak]

First of all, to hell with functions. Now that that's settled...

INTPs can have overpowering emotions take control of their lives. When put into words, it can come out something like NIN lyrics. Do you disagree?

[Kora]

I agree because I'm INTP and I have overpowering emotions. And NIN lyrics are very meaningful to me.

[Jack Flak]

Good. *hug*

[Economica]

Based on my memory of the interviews I read in the 90s I would say ISFP. What makes you guys say N?

[Evan]

I'm not saying he's INTP, I don't really think he is, but I've written (bad) lyrics like Reznor's. Depth of feeling indeed.

His new lyrics are horrible, like anything after 2004.

But listen to The Downward Spiral -- amazing lyrics, totally Fi and N (probably Ne in the grips of Fi, but I'm still not 100% sure on that).

(I could easily see an INTP writing the new lyrics; anyone could write them.)

Based on my memory of the interviews I read in the 90s I would say ISFP. What makes you guys say N?

The Downward Spiral. NF to the max.

[CaptainChick]

He's an NF, either an INFP or an ENFP.

Those who think he is an NT seriously have NEVER payed any close attention to his lyrics.

He has some SERIOUS Fi coursing through his veins!

:wub:

[CaptainChick]

GOOD GOD!!!

His lyrics are screamingly Te (short and to the point)!!!

Put the crackpipe down prior to posting such gobbledygook!!!

TRENT REZNOR IS NOT AN INTP!!!!

[Evan]

He's an NF, either an INFP or an ENFP.

Those who think he is an NT seriously have NEVER payed any close attention to his lyrics.

He has some SERIOUS Fi coursing through his veins!

:wub:

Yeah, I think he's introverted, though, as he is more focused than an ENFP would be. His Fi holds the reigns on Ne.

[Jack Flak]

"Kinda like a cloud, I was up, way up in the sky..." Could be me or an INFP.

[Evan]

and i was feeling those feelings you wouldn't believe
sometimes i don't believe them myself
and i decided i was never coming down
just then a tiny little dot
caught my eye it was just about too small to see
but i watched it way too long
it was pulling me down.

sounds Fi to me.

[Jack Flak]

You're taking type too far.

[Kora]

Lyrics are supposed to express feelings, therefore, some kind of F must be present.

[proteanmix]

An INTJ would not have come up with the video for Closer. I might guess INFP.

Typing by video? I'm thinking the video director had a lot of input in the concept and presentation of the video.

Typing by lyrics? Is he the sole author of the lyrics or were there cowriters? You're getting some of their personality too.

Why is he an N?

[Thursday]

ISFP

[Evan]

Typing by lyrics? Is he the sole author of the lyrics or were there cowriters? You're getting some of their personality too.

Why is he an N?

Pretty Hate Machine was written in 87 or 88, and Trent did the whole album by himself. He had more control over NIN (for a while) than most frontmen do with their bands.

Again, the Downward Spiral looks like NFP poetry (potentially INTJ). Look up the lyrics if you want.

[Economica]

Again, the Downward Spiral looks like NFP poetry (potentially INTJ). Look up the lyrics if you want.

I totally agree with Fi, but which lyrics make you say N?

Here's an interview (http://www.9inchnails.com/articles/the-art-of-darkness.php) from when he was 30. My ISFP/INFP radar isn't pitch-perfect by any means, but I'm not seeing the N.

[Evan]

"I'm losing ground
you know how this world can beat you down
I'm made of clay
I fear I'm the only one who thinks this way
I'm always falling down the same hill
bamboo puncturing this skin
and nothing comes bleeding out of me just like a waterfall I'm drowning in
2 feet below the surface I can still make out your wavy face
and if I could just reach you maybe I could leave this place"

"I stay inside my bed
I have lived so many lives all in my head
don't tell me that you care
there really isn't anything, is there?
you would know, wouldn't you?
you extend your hand to those who suffer
to those who know what it really feels like
to those who've had a taste
like that means something
and oh so sick I am
and maybe I don't have a choice
and maybe that is all I have
and maybe this is a cry for help"

I dunno, seems N. ISFP with strong tertiary Ni makes sense too, though. Some of his lyrics are pretty concrete.

Edit: N also makes a lot of sense due to his thinking outside the box with songwriting. Very original.

[CaptainChick]

And this is not my face
And this is not my life
And there is not a single thing here
I can recognize
This is all a dream
And none of you are real
I'll give anything
I'll give anything

^ He has shut himself off. He cannot reconcile the ugliness of life and of human nature with his Fi, empathetic predilections, he saves himself from the horror through detachment, but there are regrets, he wishes in some other place this wouldn't have to be the case. Hope and despair, two things that are prevalent in many if not most of his lyrics.

Nice and high and far apart
Just like they said
I built this place with broken parts
Just like they said
You chip away the old version of you
You'd be surprised at what you can do
I'm safe in here
Irrelevant
Just like they said

My voice just echoes off these walls

You feel me breathe
I am watching you
I see it all
The many ways you can't get to me
I see it all
I see the hell you put yourself through
Oh, the things I could do (If I wanted to)

My voice just echoes off these walls
My voice just echoes off these walls
I don't need anything at all
My voice just echoes off these walls

And I just slowly fade away

You will never ever get to me in here
He has a keen sense into human beings and their natures, if he so desired he could pick people to shreds but he doesn't and he won't. He is ALONE, he knows that very few people if any understand where he is coming from, he is ALONE, and perhaps this is all that he will ever have. AKA. Fi to MAX!!!!





"Where Is Everybody?"

did you happen to catch
or did it happen so fast
what you thought would always last
has passed you by
is everything speeding up
or am I slowing down
just spinning around
and I don't know why
all the pieces don't fit
thought I really didn't give a shit
I never wanted to be like you
but for all I aspire
I am really a liar
and I'm running out of things I can do

I'd like to stay
but every day
everything pushes me further away
if you could show
help me to know
how it's supposed to be
where did it go?

pleading and
needing and
bleeding and
breeding and
feeding
exceeding
where is everybody?
trying and lying
defying denying
crying and dying
where is everybody?

well okay, enough,
you've had your fun
but come on there has to be someone
that hasn't yet become
so numb and succumb
and god damn I am so tired of pretending
of wishing I was ending
when all I'm really doing is trying to hide
and keep it inside
and fill it with lies
open my eyes?
maybe I wish I could try

pleading and needing
and bleeding and breeding
and feeding exceeding
where is everybody?
trying and lying
defying denying
crying and dying
where is everybody?
Yet again, disgusted by human beings and their nature and he is desperately wondering if he is the only one who sees this horror and he wonders where everybody IS, where are the human beings not the animals, not the zombies, not the monsters, the human beings.



she shines
in a world full of ugliness
she matters when everything is meaningless

fragile
she doesn't see her beauty
she tries to get away
sometimes
it's just that nothing seems worth saving
I can't watch her slip away

I won't let you fall apart

she reads the minds of all the people as they pass her by
hoping someone can see
if I could fix myseld I'd - but it's too late for me

I wont let you fall apart

we'll find the perfect place to go where we can run and hide
I'll build a wall and we can keep them on the other side
...but they keep waiting
...and picking...

it's something I have to do
I was there, too
before everyhting else
I was like you

Either an ENFP or an INFP describing either an ENFP or an INFP!!!

[CaptainChick]

"I'm losing ground
you know how this world can beat you down
I'm made of clay
I fear I'm the only one who thinks this way
I'm always falling down the same hill
bamboo puncturing this skin
and nothing comes bleeding out of me just like a waterfall I'm drowning in
2 feet below the surface I can still make out your wavy face
and if I could just reach you maybe I could leave this place"

"I stay inside my bed
I have lived so many lives all in my head
don't tell me that you care
there really isn't anything, is there?
you would know, wouldn't you?
you extend your hand to those who suffer
to those who know what it really feels like
to those who've had a taste
like that means something
and oh so sick I am
and maybe I don't have a choice
and maybe that is all I have
and maybe this is a cry for help"

I dunno, seems N. ISFP with strong tertiary Ni makes sense too, though. Some of his lyrics are pretty concrete.

Edit: N also makes a lot of sense due to his thinking outside the box with songwriting. Very original.
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY POST!!!!

I was going to add this song to my next set of analyses!!!

[Economica]

Would anyone care to post an interview where the N is visible (or point it out for me in the interview I posted)?

[CaptainChick]

Would anyone care to post an interview where the N is visible (or point it out for me in the interview I posted)?
Dude, what if he hates interviews, what if he is crap at 'em.

His lyrics are the most indicative of his N-ness, imo.

[Evan]

Would anyone care to post an interview where the N is visible (or point it out for me in the interview I posted)?

I think his introversion distorts his personality in interviews.

Also, as a musician myself, I can say for sure that his songwriting is completely out of the box. Weird time signatures, abstract layers. He definitely came up with stuff that hasn't been done before. That's Intuition by definition.

Although, I must say, anything he's written past 2005 seems devoid of real feeling or intuition to me; it just sounds like regurgitation.

Either an ENFP or an INFP describing either an ENFP or an INFP!!!

I happen to agree with your typing of Trent, but there's no reason "she reads the mind of all the people as they pass her by, hoping someone would see" would be an NFP thing. Could just as easily be NFJ; in fact NFJs are more often described as mind-readers than NFPs due to the focus of the intuition.

Sometimes you aggravate me.

His lyrics are the most indicative of his N-ness, imo.

I'd say his songwriting is even more indicative.

[ajblaise]

Although, I must say, anything he's written past 2005 seems devoid of real feeling or intuition to me; it just sounds like regurgitation.

I agree. I saw a new music video of his about a year ago, the video was awesome, it just featured an office desk with little office objects moving. But when I heard the music, I though "come on, he can do better than this."

But he does deserve credit, lots of artists crap out on their sophomore album, he's been going strong for decent amount of time.

[Evan]

Yeah he went from 88 to 05, better than almost anyone else.

[CaptainChick]

Sometimes you aggravate me.
Right back atcha!

:smooch:

[Jack Flak]

I'd put my money on AvereX's ISFP if I were a betting man, but only a buck or two. Even possibly ESFP.

He always seems to be very concerned with tactile things in his lyrics, what can be sensed.

Add: The more that I think about it, ESFP fits best. He wears his heart on his sleeve, he needs interaction, he doesn't ever seem to be not emotional, and he reminds me of ESFPs. Of course he's not the typical popular kid in class, but to say he had to be that being an ESFP would be "taking type too far," as I say.

[CaptainChick]

I'd put my money on AvereX's ISFP if I were a betting man, but only a buck or two. Even possibly ESFP.

He always seems to be very concerned with tactile things in his lyrics, what can be sensed.

Add: The more that I think about it, ESFP fits best. He wears his heart on his sleeve, he needs interaction, he doesn't ever seem to be not emotional, and he reminds me of ESFPs. Of course he's not the typical popular kid in class, but to say he had to be that being an ESFP would be "taking type too far," as I say.

GAH!!!!

:doh:

:steam:

:doh:


Watching all the insects march along
Seem to know just right where they belong
Smears a face reflecting in the chrome
Hiding in the crowd, I'm all alone
No one's heard a single word I've said
They don't sound as good outside my head
It looks as though the past is here to stay
I've become a million miles aw-
Why do you get all the love in the world?
Why do you get all the love in the world?

All the jagged edges disappear
Colors all are brighter when you're near
The stars are all afire in the sky
Sometimes I get so lonely, I could
Why do you get all the love in the world?
He observes the world, he is an observer not a participant!!!

He is the master of reflection and intraspection!!! Ns are ones to observe, reflect and intro- and intraspect!



I believe I can see the future
Cause I repeat the same routine
I think I used to have a purpose
But then again
That might have been a dream
I think I used to have a voice
Now I never make a sound
I just do what I've been told
I really don't want them to come around

Oh, no


Every day is exactly the same
Every day is exactly the same
There is no love here and there is no pain
Every day is exactly the same

I can feel their eyes are watching
In case I lose myself again
Sometimes I think I'm happy here
Sometimes, yet I still pretend
I can't remember how this got started
But I can tell you exactly how it will end

I'm writing on a little piece of paper
I'm hoping someday you might find
Well I'll hide it behind something
They won't look behind
I'm still inside here
A little bit comes bleeding through
I wish this could have been any other way
But I just don't know, I don't know what else I can do

THIS IS SOOOOO SCREAMINGLY NF!!!

*pulls out hair*

See the animal in it's cage that you built
Are you sure what side you're on?
Better not look him too closely in the eye
Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?
See the safety of the life you have built
Everything where it belongs
Feel the hollowness inside of your heart
And it's all
Right where it belongs

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is that all you wanted to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks?
Would you find yourself
Find yourself afraid to see


What if all the world's inside of your head
Just creations of your own?
Your devils and your gods
All the living and the dead
And you really are alone
You can live in this illusion
You can choose to believe
You keep looking but you can't find the woods
While you're hiding in the trees

What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you used to know
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection
Is that all you wanted to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks
Would you find yourself
Find yourself afraid to see?

YouTube - Nine Inch Nails - Right Where It Belongs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5j-riwI5Bs)

Yup, certainly the work of an ESFP!!!

X__O

[Jack Flak]

I swear people don't give S credit for anything on this board. It's silly. Here are some ISTJ lyrics for your consideration.

Walked out this morning I don't believe what I saw
A hundred billion bottles washed up on the shore
Seems I'm not alone in being alone
A hundred billion castaways looking for a home

[CaptainChick]

I swear people don't give S credit for anything on this board. It's silly. Here are some ISTJ lyrics for your consideration.

Walked out this morning I don't believe what I saw
A hundred billion bottles washed up on the shore
Seems I'm not alone in being alone
A hundred billion castaways looking for a home
If you cannot differentiate the difference between these lyrics and the lyrics that I presented you of Trent's, I really don't know what to say.

I do believe that this excerpt is beautiful in its own right, but if you could, I would appreciate the entire poem, for further analysis.

Oh, and how do you know that the author is an ISTJ?

[CaptainChick]

And, pfft!!!

I think both Ns and Ss are prone to be assholes and idiots as well as angels and sages, alike.

They are just fundamentally different in the way they view/process the world/information.

[Jack Flak]

People go soul searching to write lyrics. We're all capable of introspection.

[CaptainChick]

All true poets are Ns.

The end.

-CC

[Jack Flak]

If he's N, he's probably ENTP.

Add: someone else thinks he is: TypeCast | Personality and Temperament Resources (http://trinityint.com/typecast/entp.php)

reznor entp has over 2x the google results of the next closest type.

All circumstantial, but ENTP feels right to me, much more so than INFP and reasonably moreso than ENFP.

[CaptainChick]

OMG!!!!!

:17425:

:BangHead:

:17425:

:BangHead:

:17425:

[Jack Flak]

^ Exactly. It's quite useless.

[particularsolution]

I vs E: First of all, Trent is definitely NOT an E. Most certainly an I.

"In contrast to his on stage personality, Reznor is often credited to be shy, soft spoken and a bit of a recluse."
"Trent Reznor struggled with depression, social anxiety disorder, and the death of his grandmother (who raised him)."

Sounds like an introvert to me. An extrovert suffering from social anxiety? Sounds like an oxymoron.

N vs. S: Secondly, definitely N over S. His music has always been fairly innovative (at least it was in the 90s) and unique. He also claims David Bowie's "Low" is his favourite album. Anyone familiar with that album knows it's definitely one of Bowie's weirder albums. Seems like an N taste.

"Reznor is a fan of David Bowie, and has cited Bowie's 1977 album Low as one of his favorite albums. Reznor has stated that he played the album constantly during the recording of The Downward Spiral for inspiration."

T vs F: In my opinion T over F. I think writing ANY lyrics requires digging into your F side so I can't see how quoting lyrics that show emotions proves he is an F (Ts have feelings too). When I listen to NIN the feelings I hear are very raw, almost childlike, which to me sounds like the repressed, underdeveloped feelings of a T. I would think a natural F would be much more eloquent at expressing their emotions. The feelings would be much deeper. Just think of "Starf**kers, Inc.". It was basically directed at Marilyn Manson. It's a great song but in reality is quite petty... childish even----> underdeveloped F side -----> Trent=T

P vs J: On this one I am really not sure. Trent apparently has amazing work ethic and is quite the perfectionist. Seems like a J trait. Doesn't sound like the open-ended laziness characteristic of a P (no offence Ps). Then again, INTPs CAN become obsessive in certain areas. Not sure on this one.

INTJ? INTP?

*All the quotes are from the "Trent Reznor" wikipedia entry.

[Jack Flak]

I suggest browsing around for all the mention of reserved ENTPs out there. IMO he's much more likely ENTP than INTP.

[outmywindow]

An INTJ would not have come up with the video for Closer. I might guess INFP.
TR didn't come up with that video. David Fincher did.

Check out this video (especially the last few minutes). Dude is not an F.

YouTube - Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails - The New Music Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ysGYC69ns)

For the record, I've (admittedly) watched a lot of interviews with the man, and I'd say the above one is easily one of the most relaxed and 'honest' that I've seen. Personally, I go with INTJ, but since we'll never know and his type doesn't really matter in terms of my continued enjoyment of his music, I don't dwell on the answer too much.

[Kora]

I seriously doubt he's an F. I'd go more with the XNTP theory, after all.

[Orangey]

TR didn't come up with that video. David Fincher did.

Check out this video (especially the last few minutes). Dude is not an F.

YouTube - Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails - The New Music Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ysGYC69ns)

For the record, I've (admittedly) watched a lot of interviews with the man, and I'd say the above one is easily one of the most relaxed and 'honest' that I've seen. Personally, I go with INTJ, but since we'll never know and his type doesn't really matter in terms of my continued enjoyment of his music, I don't dwell on the answer too much.

Wow...he came off really confident in that video. None of the shy vulnerability that most artists that I see as NF seem to exude.

[Jack Flak]

I was good friends with an ENTP who showed a lot of the same tendencies of character. Very intelligent, intentionally acted in a controversial manner, abrasive, showed emotion easily, and quite importantly, had a strong need to modify the world in some way.

AvereX's ISFP typing caught me off guard, so I went with ESFP first, but the more I think about it the more he's very likely ENTP by the numbers.

[particularsolution]

I suggest browsing around for all the mention of reserved ENTPs out there. IMO he's much more likely ENTP than INTP.

there is a difference between being reserved and having social anxiety disorder. i would expect social anxiety to point to trent being I, not E.

[Jack Flak]

there is a difference between being reserved and having social anxiety disorder. i would expect social anxiety to point to trent being I, not E.
Theoretically, I'd say "quite to the contrary!" Because an E with an anxiety disorder could appear to be I to the layman.

[particularsolution]

Theoretically, I'd say "quite to the contrary!" Because an E with an anxiety disorder could appear to be I to the layman.

which do you think social anxiety is more prevalent among, I or E?

i can't provide any hard evidence but i would expect it to be much more prevalent in I. which gives me good reason to think trent could be an I. i don't think there is any overwhelming evidence pointing to him being an E so i don't see why it's not plausible.

[Jack Flak]

Well, I posted some evidence, however whelming you find it is up to you. In one interview, he said (I quote almost verbatim, regarding being in the studio for a long time) "I just needed to be around people again."

[particularsolution]

Well, I posted some evidence, however whelming you find it is up to you. In one interview, he said (I quote almost verbatim, regarding being in the studio for a long time) "I just needed to be around people again."

are you referring to the "reznor entp" google search? not sure if that convinces me. i wouldn't think needing to see people after being holed up in a studio for months at a time necessarily means you are an extrovert either. i'm definitely an introvert and sometimes i need to be around people, part of being human.

i also am not so convinced on the P. his work ethic and perfectionism seems like a J trait. a quote from someone he worked with in a studio prior to NIN:

"so focused in everything he [did]. When that guy waxed the floor, it looked great."

i can't imagine an NP being "focused". they are usually too busy daydreaming to be bothered to wax a floor to perfection. i realize this is only one quote and it's a bit naive to extrapolate so much but it seems to be the same way he works with NIN. tireless, focused... true perfectionist. endlessly layering samples. again, INTPs can definitely get into the uber-focused mode and work tirelessly at something they are interested in so you never know. it's hard to make guesses like these without really knowing the person, just the art... but that's what makes this so fun.

[Jack Flak]

I was more referring to the characteristics I discussed. He is a LOT like my good ENTP friend, who would game or computer program without leaving his room for days at a time.

Also, judging art can be a bad idea, because it can come from many "directions." I try to judge based on behavior, such as in interviews.

[particularsolution]

I was more referring to the characteristics I discussed. He is a LOT like my good ENTP friend, who would game or computer program without leaving his room for days at a time.

Also, judging art can be a bad idea, because it can come from many "directions." I try to judge based on behavior, such as in interviews.

right, but that trait could be associated with many different types, not just ENTP. it could fit with an INTP, INTJ, etc... it's a pretty vague characteristic. i prefer to break it down into each of the 4 preferences. as far as I vs E goes i think trent exhibits more I traits than E traits.

[Jack Flak]

right, but that trait could be associated with many different types, not just ENTP. it could fit with an INTP, INTJ, etc... it's a pretty vague characteristic. i prefer to break it down into each of the 4 preferences. as far as I vs E goes i think trent exhibits more I traits than E traits.
You were saying "HE DOES X BECAUSE OF INTROVERSION." And I'm saying "NOT NECSSARLY DUDE," and now you're saying "WELL ANYONE CAN DO THAT ACTUALLY."

Do you see my point? You've removed your argument that he's introverted. Well done.

[particularsolution]

You were saying "HE DOES X BECAUSE OF INTROVERSION." And I'm saying "NOT NECSSARLY DUDE," and now you're saying "WELL ANYONE CAN DO THAT ACTUALLY."

Do you see my point? You've removed your argument that he's introverted. Well done.

no need to get pissy.

when it comes to I vs E you gave a few characteristics that you claim trent displays and someone who you know is ENTP also displays. what i'm saying is that those traits could be related to the NTP side of the personality, not necessarily the E (or maybe just the NT, or the N, or the T, which is why they could be characteristic of INTP, INTJ, etc.. you get my point). you need to isolate each one on it's own to do a proper analysis.

isolating the I vs E it seems that trent displays a few notable traits of introverts (as i have already mentioned). namely that he suffered from social anxiety disorder which i assume is more prevalent in Is than Es.

[Evan]

All I know is that he's an Fi user, an Introvert, and an N. So INFP or INTJ.

INTJ might even make more sense than INFP, seeing as Ni would probably come up with more themed complexity.

[ajblaise]

INTJ might even make more sense than INFP, seeing as Ni would probably come up with more themed complexity.

An unhealthy INTJ with angst, perhaps. Or I guess he's calmed down in recent years.

[Evan]

Well he was certainly pretty unhealthy when he was writing the downward spiral and the fragile.

Drugs.

[ajblaise]

Well he was certainly pretty unhealthy when he was writing the downward spiral and the fragile.

Drugs.

Do you know what drugs he was on? I might get that junkie vibe from him.

[particularsolution]

INTJ is what i'm leaning towards more and more. the J seems to explain the thorough approach he has to his music and the work ethic. i would think an INTP musician would be much looser. i find it hard to articulate why this makes sense to me but it's just the hunch i have (Ne at work, haha).


Do you know what drugs he was on? I might get that junkie vibe from him.

he went to rehab for cocaine addiction and alcoholism. there were reports that he was also addicted to heroin but apparently they are not true.

[Jack Flak]

INTJ is a hilarious type for Reznor. Have you known an actual INTJ?

[particularsolution]

INTJ is a hilarious type for Reznor. Have you known an actual INTJ?

unpack that.

[Jack Flak]

YouTube - mtv fuck ups - trent reznor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz42TcHxWrk&feature=related)

YouTube - Trent Reznor Drunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbOwtkJvZAY&feature=related)

YouTube - Interview With Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor (1994) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8nXCgFLGo&feature=related)

YouTube - Trent Reznor Before Nine Inch Nails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYBx5NJULY&feature=related)

Such a damn INTJ can't even believe it /sarcasm

YouTube - nine inch nails - March Of The Pigs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjpyPqwXNA&feature=related)

[particularsolution]

YouTube - mtv fuck ups - trent reznor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz42TcHxWrk&feature=related)

YouTube - Trent Reznor Drunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbOwtkJvZAY&feature=related)

YouTube - Interview With Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor (1994) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8nXCgFLGo&feature=related)

YouTube - Trent Reznor Before Nine Inch Nails (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYBx5NJULY&feature=related)

Such a damn INTJ can't even believe it /sarcasm

YouTube - nine inch nails - March Of The Pigs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjpyPqwXNA&feature=related)

quit taking this so personally and drop the smart ass remarks.

thanks for the videos, i have seen some of them already though. very interesting. it would be more productive if you broke your opinion down and made it clearer why you think this is such a silly suggestion rather than just laughing at suggestions. so far i've seen you argue for INTP, INFP, ISFP, ESFP and now ENTP. only 11 more to go!

but anyways, whatever happened to the I vs E discussion? forget the J/P. let's settle the I/E. make your case for E.

[CaptainChick]

I can accept INTJ as a possible type for Trent, though he strongly rubs me like a fellow _NFP but... Trent an INTP, an INTP?!?!?!?!?

Simply preposterous!!!

[Jack Flak]

Uh, because he's a huge E, I guess. He's not reserved in the least around people.

He's also a gigantic ENTP. I don't even know how to describe it, I just know what an ENTP is, because two of my best friends have been ENTP, including the guy who basically has the same personality as Reznor. No joke. I wish there were some ENTPs in this thread.

There's also no way in hell he's INFP. I've known more INFPs intimately than any other type.

[CaptainChick]

And, I would like to mention that dissonance is definitely picking up what Trent is putting down.

:)

[CaptainChick]

HE IS NOT AN ENTP!!!!

GOODNESS FUCKING GRACIOUS!!!!!

UGH^100

[particularsolution]

ok, here is something that proves a bit of correlation between introversion and social phobia (medical journal, can't get more credible than that):

The relationship between shyness, social phobia and other psychiatric disorders was examined. The prevalence of social phobia was significantly higher among shy persons (18%) compared with non-shy persons (3%). However, the majority of shy individuals (82%) were not socially phobic. A significant and positive correlation was found between the severity of shyness and the presence of social phobia, but the data suggest that social phobia is not merely severe shyness. Social phobia was also positively and moderately correlated with introversion and neuroticism. Thus, shy persons with social phobia were shyer, more introverted, and more neurotic than other shy people, but none of these factors was sufficient to distinguish shy persons with social phobia from those without social phobia. The proportion of the shy group with psychiatric diagnoses other than social phobia was significantly higher than among the non-shy group, indicating that various diagnostic categories are prominent among the shy. The results are discussed in terms of the overlap in shyness and social phobia and the relationship of shyness to other psychiatric diagnoses and personality dimensions.

[CaptainChick]

I am an extroverted HSP, as I would imagine many of my extroverted NF brethren to be as well.

I spend a lot of my time being reclusive because people are just too much.

[Kora]

Everybody wants Trent to be on his type.

[Jack Flak]

Y'all can be wrong if you want, it's ok. See ya.

[particularsolution]

Uh, because he's a huge E, I guess. He's not reserved in the least around people.

He's also a gigantic ENTP. I don't even know how to describe it, I just know what an ENTP is, because two of my best friends have been ENTP, including the guy who basically has the same personality as Reznor. No joke. I wish there were some ENTPs in this thread.

There's also no way in hell he's INFP. I've known more INFPs intimately than any other type.

He's not reserved? Where is that coming from? Even though he has been specifically described as "reserved" and "recluse"?

EDIT: sorry, he wasn't described as "reserved", just "shy". my mistake. but to refresh the memory: "In contrast to his on stage personality, Reznor is often credited to be shy, soft spoken and a bit of a recluse."

[CaptainChick]

I would also like to add that I have spent a SIGNIFICANT amount of time researching Trent, listening to Trent, watching Trent and reading Trent.

He is one of the select few artists whom I've really felt a deep connection to.

Y'all are typing him from a distance and hence are producing inaccurate assessments of his personality and type.

[CaptainChick]

Well he was certainly pretty unhealthy when he was writing the downward spiral and the fragile.

Drugs.
His drug use, I believe, was just a secondary issue to what was/is his primary pathological condition as that of being severely existentially depressed.

[particularsolution]

I would also like to add that I have spent a SIGNIFICANT amount of time researching Trent, listening to Trent, watching Trent and reading Trent.

He is one of the select few artists whom I've really felt a deep connection to.

Y'all are typing him from a distance and hence are producing inaccurate assessments of his personality and type.

i don't feel any connection to trent reznor because I DON'T KNOW HIM. none of us do. we are all typing him at a distance. we are speculating. sometimes it can be a fun discussion but evidently it has spiraled into a petty argument where everybody invokes some "deeper understanding" of trent reznor. ugh.

[CaptainChick]

are you referring to the "reznor entp" google search? not sure if that convinces me. i wouldn't think needing to see people after being holed up in a studio for months at a time necessarily means you are an extrovert either. i'm definitely an introvert and sometimes i need to be around people, part of being human.

i also am not so convinced on the P. his work ethic and perfectionism seems like a J trait. a quote from someone he worked with in a studio prior to NIN:

"so focused in everything he [did]. When that guy waxed the floor, it looked great."

i can't imagine an NP being "focused". they are usually too busy daydreaming to be bothered to wax a floor to perfection. i realize this is only one quote and it's a bit naive to extrapolate so much but it seems to be the same way he works with NIN. tireless, focused... true perfectionist. endlessly layering samples. again, INTPs can definitely get into the uber-focused mode and work tirelessly at something they are interested in so you never know. it's hard to make guesses like these without really knowing the person, just the art... but that's what makes this so fun.
Pfft!!!

NP geniuses experience flow where they can spend hours on end "in the zone" without realizing how much time, days, weeks have passed while they were in this trance-like, uber-focused mode.

[CaptainChick]

i don't feel any connection to trent reznor because I DON'T KNOW HIM.
LOL!!!

I don't "know" Bukowski, Ani DiFranco, J.D. Salinger, Chuck Palahniuk, M.C. Escher, Shakespeare, Slug from Atmosphere, Lucretius, etc. but I do *know* them through their work.

Why do you think artists and writers produce work?

TO EXPRESS/SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES!!!!!

I owe my life to people that I "don't know" according to you because I have never physically met them.

Lol, laughable man.

[particularsolution]

LOL!!!

I don't "know" Bukowski, Ani DiFranco, J.D. Salinger, Chuck Palahniuk, M.C. Escher, Shakespeare, Slug from Atmosphere, Lucretius, etc. but I do *know* them through their work.

Why do you think artists and writers produce work?

TO EXPRESS/SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES!!!!!

I owe my life to people that I "don't know" according to you because I have never physically met them.

Lol, laughable man.

metaphysical connections aside you don't know them. you may feel like you just really "get" trent reznor because you listen to his music and it really strikes a chord with you and all that jazz... but ultimately, KNOWING someone, knowing who they are enough to know their type, takes a little bit more than listening to some songs and watching some interviews on youtube.

if you want to argue for his type make a better case for it than that.

[ajblaise]

metaphysical connections aside you don't know them. you may feel like you just really "get" trent reznor because you listen to his music and it really strikes a chord with you and all that jazz... but ultimately, KNOWING someone, knowing who they are enough to know their type, takes a little bit more than listening to some songs and watching some interviews on youtube.

if you want to argue for his type make a better case for it than that.

So would you say someone's personality doesn't show through their work, art, how they carry themselves, what they say...etc..?

[particularsolution]

Pfft!!!

NP geniuses experience flow where they can spend hours on end "in the zone" without realizing how much time, days, weeks have passed while they were in this trance-like, uber-focused mode.

if you bothered to read my posts you would see that i mentioned that. i was basing that comment on my own experiences as an INTP. i know i generally don't have what it takes to be very focused on a job but sometimes i manage to pull it off if it's something that interests me... but even then it's rare. NPs are much better at coming up with plans than implementing them. but you already know that.

[particularsolution]

So would you say someone's personality doesn't show through their work, art, how they carry themselves, what they say...etc..?

ugh, maybe i went overboard. it does to an extent. we can sit here speculating based on his music and art etc... what type he seems to be. i just can't buy all these "i know trent reznor better" claims to refute my ideas. none of us know him. we are just SPECULATING. frustrating.

[Evan]

His drug use, I believe, was just a secondary issue to what was/is his primary pathological condition as that of being severely existentially depressed.

I agree.

His horrible depression is what made his music, though. That's why The Downward Spiral and The Fragile were so fucking amazing. That's also why I don't like anything past Halo 17.

Again, I'd believe INFP or INTJ. I might actually lean more towards INTJ at this point -- his music strikes me as more Ni than Ne, just due to the insanely detailed themes in his albums.

[ajblaise]

I agree.

His horrible depression is what made his music, though. That's why The Downward Spiral and The Fragile were so fucking amazing. That's also why I don't like anything past Halo 17.

Depression makes good music, but so does being really, really high.

Anyone else notice that once artists get clean and sober up, they start sucking?

[CaptainChick]

ugh, maybe i went overboard. it does to an extent. we can sit here speculating based on his music and art etc... what type he seems to be. i just can't buy all these "i know trent reznor better" claims to refute my ideas. none of us know him. we are just SPECULATING. frustrating.


ENFP Relationships (http://personalitypage.com/ENFP_rel.html)

Most ENFPs will exhibit the following strengths with regards to relationships issues:

* Good communication skills
* Very perceptive about people's thought and motives
* Motivational, inspirational; bring out the best in others
* Warmly affectionate and affirming
* Fun to be with - lively sense of humor, dramatic, energetic, optimistic
* Strive for "win-win" situations
* Driven to meet other's needs
* Usually loyal and dedicated

INTP Relationships (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_rel.html)

INTP Weaknesses

* Not naturally in tune with others' feelings; slow to respond to emotional needs
* Not naturally good at expressing their own feelings and emotions

The largest area of potential strife in an INTP's intimate relationship is their slowness in understanding and meeting their partner's emotional needs. The INTP may be extremely dedicated to the relationship, and deeply in love with their partner, but may have no understanding of their mate's emotional life,

[Evan]

Depression makes good music, but so does being really, really high.

Anyone else notice that once artists get clean and sober up, they start sucking?

YES. Too bad that horrible depression and drug addiction makes such good music.

One of my best friends ever was an amazing super genious songwriter and singer, and he was insanely depressed and addicted to drugs for his whole life. We were starting a band (I was one of the only musicians he actually considered working with), but he went to rehab, ditched the program, and overdosed and died.

Too smart for this world. His mom couldn't handle him and treated him like shit. Basically no one understood him except me and a few others, but he felt too much shame coming to me when he was on meth or heroin. He was sleeping on the streets for a while and would call me to crash at my place every few weeks; he'd play me his music and it would literally bring tears to my eyes.

Horrible story.

(He was an ENFP.)

[particularsolution]

I agree.

His horrible depression is what made his music, though. That's why The Downward Spiral and The Fragile were so fucking amazing. That's also why I don't like anything past Halo 17.

Again, I'd believe INFP or INTJ. I might actually lean more towards INTJ at this point -- his music strikes me as more Ni than Ne, just due to the insanely detailed themes in his albums.

finally someone somewhat agrees with me... and actually gives a reason why!

[ajblaise]

INTP Relationships (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_rel.html)

woah, hey, we're don't all fail at emotion. :dry:

[particularsolution]

ENFP Relationships (http://personalitypage.com/ENFP_rel.html)



INTP Relationships (http://www.personalitypage.com/INTP_rel.html)

overgeneralization anyone? get over yourself.

[Evan]

INTJ is a hilarious type for Reznor. Have you known an actual INTJ?

How about some reasoning?

I know and regularly hang out with, hmm, 5 INTJs.

[Evan]

overgeneralization anyone? get over yourself.

Yeah, pretty much every type profile is bullshit.

[ajblaise]

Yeah, pretty much every type profile is bullshit.

eh, I agree with their generalizations usually, and it's not like they try to say they apply to everyone of whatever type.

[particularsolution]

Yeah, pretty much every type profile is bullshit.

i can't tell if this is meant sarcastically or not.

what i meant to say was that her use of that was a huuuuge overgeneralization. as in, the fact that i'm intp means i'm incapable of understanding someone's emotions or understanding other people. it was quoted to trump me in the debate. it was petty. which is why i responded with a petty, emotional response of my own. ugh.

[CaptainChick]

overgeneralization anyone? get over yourself.
Oh man, I'll try.

[Try again.]

[particularsolution]

Oh man, I'll try.

:)

i still haven't seen any valid points to counter my original argument (other than your invocation of "i know trent better" and "i'm an ENFP and am naturally tuned in to people's emotions"). just try this: give me a preference by preference explanation of trent's type. for each one give a reason.

[Evan]

How did you "pwn" him with your reasoning? By quoting a type profile? Hmm....

[CaptainChick]

Creative geniuses have often been documented as being sufferers of some or multiple chronic mental/psychological "pathologies".

Sanity doesn't preclude creative genius, per se, but if one's sanity is defined as that of their being and exhibited normal, i.e. average human behaviors/characteristics, then I would confidently say that, yes, to a certain degree, creative people are crazy.

[particularsolution]

Creative geniuses have often been documented as being sufferers of some or multiple chronic mental/psychological "pathologies".

Sanity doesn't preclude creative genius, per se, but if one's sanity is defined as that of their being and exhibited normal, i.e. average human behaviors/characteristics, then I would confidently say that, yes, to a certain degree, creative people are crazy.

and the line of reasoning is...?

[CaptainChick]

i still haven't seen any valid points to counter my original argument (other than your invocation of "i know trent better" and "i'm an ENFP and am naturally tuned in to people's emotions"). just try this: give me a preference by preference explanation of trent's type. for each one give a reason.I have provided lyrics and my analyses of those lyrics supporting why I view Trent to be an _NFP, though I can accept the possibility of his being an INTJ.

What I am sure about is that he is an N and a hardcore Fi user.

How did you "pwn" him with your reasoning? By quoting a type profile? Hmm....
No, I pwned him with my NeFi ninja skills.

[CaptainChick]

and the line of reasoning is...?
Lol, do some research kid.

My Ne led me to intuit the hypothesis that creative geniuses must be a bit "crazy" and the research I have done provided me with the reasoning behind/for it.

When I feel so inclined I will provide you with a deluge of links supporting or backing my fanciful thoughts of/on creative folks, k?

:smooch:

[particularsolution]

I have provided lyrics and my analyses of those lyrics supporting why I view Trent to be an _NFP, though I can accept the possibility of his being an INTJ.

What I am sure about is that he is an N and a hardcore Fi user.


No, I pwned him with my NeFi ninja skills.

ah! INTJ. that's what i was campaigning for. it seems to be the best fit given the character traits he shows. after all this we agree (sort of).

[Evan]

Lol, do some research kid.

My Ne led me to intuit the hypothesis that creative geniuses must be a bit "crazy" and the research I have done provided me with the reasoning behind/for it.

When I feel so inclined I will provide you with a deluge of links supporting or backing my fanciful thoughts of/on creative folks, k?

:smooch:

Blah, tune down the ego a bit. Why should anyone believe you before you post reasoning?

[particularsolution]

Lol, do some research kid.

My Ne led me to intuit the hypothesis that creative geniuses must be a bit "crazy" and the research I have done provided me with the reasoning behind/for it.

When I feel so inclined I will provide you with a deluge of links supporting or backing my fanciful thoughts of/on creative folks, k?

:smooch:

is THIS what you are trying to say?

trent reznor had mental health issues
creative geniuses have mental health issues
NPs are creative geniuses
therefore trent reznor is an NP

?

[CaptainChick]

Oy vey, NO!!!

Stanford Researchers Establish Link Between Creative Genius And Mental Illness (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020522073047.htm)

have fun reading that while I find some more proof to put in my pudding.

[CaptainChick]

Blah, tune down the ego a bit.
Is it my ego that needs tuning down, or yours?

If my name were CaptainDick I assure you my "ego" would not be an issue of concern.

Ugh, when oh when will our society acknowledge and embrace the fact that women are capable of, yes, being intelligent, competent, rational human beings.

Ironically, I have encountered the most adversity regarding my level of intellect, knowledge and androgynous style of communication when dealing with highly intelligent men.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of being assertive but rather am unpleasantly aggressive!!!

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of logical reasoning but rather am a loud and opinionated virago, if you will.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of engaging in a proper debate but rather am a hostile contrarian.

I apologize for being confident in my capacity to know and differentiate when I know something as opposed to when I do not.

In fact, I think I will start a thread about this!

[ajblaise]

Is it my ego that needs tuning down, or yours?

If my name were CaptainDick I assure you my "ego" would not be an issue of concern.

Ugh, when oh when will our society acknowledge and embrace the fact that women are capable of, yes, being intelligent, competent, rational human beings.

Ironically, I have encountered the most adversity regarding my level of intellect, knowledge and androgynous style of communication when dealing with highly intelligent men.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of being assertive but rather am unpleasantly aggressive!!!

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of logical reasoning but rather am a loud and opinionated virago, if you will.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of engaging in a proper debate but rather am a hostile contrarian.

I apologize for being confident in my capacity to know and differentiate when I know something as opposed to when I do not.

In fact, I think I will start a thread about this!

uh oh, PMS? jk

[CaptainChick]

uh oh, PMS? jk
:azdaja:

[ajblaise]

:azdaja:

*throws chocolates and a You've Got Mail dvd on the ground and runs*

[Evan]

Is it my ego that needs tuning down, or yours?

If my name were CaptainDick I assure you my "ego" would not be an issue of concern.

Ugh, when oh when will our society acknowledge and embrace the fact that women are capable of, yes, being intelligent, competent, rational human beings.

Ironically, I have encountered the most adversity regarding my level of intellect, knowledge and androgynous style of communication when dealing with highly intelligent men.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of being assertive but rather am unpleasantly aggressive!!!

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of logical reasoning but rather am a loud and opinionated virago, if you will.

Because I have a vagina, apparently I am incapable of engaging in a proper debate but rather am a hostile contrarian.

I apologize for being confident in my capacity to know and differentiate when I know something as opposed to when I do not.

In fact, I think I will start a thread about this!

I don't care that you're a female. I just care that you're condescending and you expect people to believe your hunches without listing reasoning.

I have plenty of intelligent female friends that don't annoy me. In fact, my best friends are pretty much all incredibly intelligent females.

It's ludicrous of you to assume your gender has anything to do with my opinion of you. When have I brought it up, ever?

[particularsolution]

Oy vey, NO!!!

Stanford Researchers Establish Link Between Creative Genius And Mental Illness (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020522073047.htm)

have fun reading that while I find some more proof to put in my pudding.

i've heard about the link between bipolar disorder and creativity (van gogh, cobain, etc...). not entirely sure how that plays into trent's type (what we are discussing) as he doesn't have BPD.

[Jack Flak]

LOL so much progress was made since I left. But I'm bored, and have returned, and he's still ENTP! Mhehehe.

[CaptainChick]

Trent Reznor is either an ENFP or INFP, period.

YouTube - NIN - The Fragile (Bridge School Benefit) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7fpCQZVkI&feature=channel_page)

The Fragile

She shines
In a world full of ugliness
She matters
When everything is meaningless

Fragile
She doesn't see her beauty
She tries to get away
Sometimes
It's just that nothing seems worth saving
I can't watch her slip away

I won't let you fall apart

She reads the minds of all the people as they pass her by
Hoping someone can see
If I could fix myself I'd—
But it's too late for me

I won't let you fall apart

We'll find the perfect place to go where we can run and hide
We'll build a wall and we can keep them on the other side
…But they keep waiting
…And picking…

It's something I have to do
I was there, too
Before everything else
I was like you

When you are a hardcore idealist who one day faces the existential void that is your and everyone else's existence, and the emptiness and meaninglessness therein, suddenly surrounded in a godless, cruel and perverse world, ruled by nature alone, to see that man is nothing more than a "civilized" beast; that he is no more autonomous or significant than an ant, well, let's just say, after the shock has dissipated, while wading through your despair and disgust, A WHOLE LOT of reconciling needs to be done.

It is hard to care in a careless world. Hard to feel in a heartless world, and hard to love when you realize we are all impenetrably alone.

[Jack Flak]

ENTP

[CaptainChick]

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!!!

Provide your case as to why, please.

[Uberfuhrer]

ENTP

Yes, I could agree with you, especially when using V.I.

[Evan]

I'm really thinking INTJ here....

Just because he's amazing at describing emotions doesn't make him an Fi dominant, although he does seem like an obvious Fi user. His metaphors for feelings seem like much more of an N dominant thing to me. But the intuition is clearly focused and J-like -- much more linear than an Ne dom would be.

His lyrics for songs are all much more story-like than short-term expressive. In a higher frame, his albums are story-like as well. So much linearity.

Again, just because Fi is strong does not mean it's in the first two functions.

[Nocapszy]

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!!!

Provide your case as to why, please.

CC let me explain this to you in the only way you'll be willing to listen:

Concerning typology, The Flak and I are almost universally opposing forces.
It's rare he and I agree.

Despite the fact that I hate to even admit that I'd agree with him out of spite, I have to do that right now. Also it's way fun pushing your buttons.
And when he and I agree, the combined force is so strong, there's no question.
We could tilt the sun off it's axis with how right we are.

The fact that I agree with him is proof that his case is airtight.

[Evan]

CC let me explain this to you in the only way you'll be willing to listen:

Concerning typology, The Flak and I are almost universally opposing forces.
It's rare he and I agree.

Despite the fact that I hate to even admit that I'd agree with him out of spite, I have to do that right now. Also it's way fun pushing your buttons.
And when he and I agree, the combined force is so strong, there's no question.
We could tilt the sun off it's axis with how right we are.

The fact that I agree with him is proof that his case is airtight.

Did you list some reasoning somewhere or are you doing the same thing you're mad at CC for doing?

[Jack Flak]

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/333621-post69.html

[VanillaCat]

Look how people see him as.
IMDb :: Boards :: Trent Reznor :: What's wrong with him? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0722153/board/thread/106278137)
IMDb :: Boards :: Trent Reznor :: Analyzing Trent Reznor (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0722153/board/thread/110864143?p=3)

Now read this:
INTJ = Asperger?? - FRDB (http://www.freeratio.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=235376)

"In college he studied computer engineering and music."
Computer Engineering...? Isn't that an INTJ thing?
And of course he studied music, but that's also very systematic, although creative. There are patterns and time sequences, etc. And he can play many instruments.
It just seems like a very INTJ thing; to be able to be so dedicated and extremely skilled at something.
"I don't trust people very much. I don't like that many people."
Just one quote showing his Introvertedness... Probably not feely.
I've read some of his interviews and he seems extremely sarcastic which is also an INTJ trait, and I've read that many people think he is nice. The INTJs I know are very polite, and come across as nice (but it seems like they're just doing the right thing... as in, there's no reason to be mean.)

Well?

[Jack Flak]

None of that applies more to INTJ than ENTP.

[Evan]

None of that applies more to INTJ than ENTP.

The themes suggest J.

[Jack Flak]

The themes suggest J.
No they don't. Playing instruments is J? Engineering is J? Skill is J? Sarcasm is J?

[Evan]

No they don't. Playing instruments is J? Engineering is J? Skill is J? Sarcasm is J?

I meant the themes in his songs, and the themes of his albums.

Single theme -- internal standard, not external.

[Jack Flak]

I meant the themes in his songs, and the themes of his albums.

Single theme -- internal standard, not external.
That has nothing to do with P/J either.

[Evan]

That has nothing to do with P/J either.

Wrong.

Notice how Js are better at keeping one thing in mind and tuning everything else out?

[Jack Flak]

Wrong.

Notice how Js are better at keeping one thing in mind and tuning everything else out?
No, because it isn't true.

[Evan]

No, because it isn't true.

Do you know what introverted perception is?

Wait, no, you don't know the theory that everyone else uses.

[Nocapszy]

Single theme -- internal standard, not external.
Fi: Internal standard for what is good and pure and wonderful.
Ti: Internal standard for what makes sense and how to figure out what else makes sense.


Reznor: P.

[Jack Flak]

Do you know what introverted perception is?

Wait, no, you don't know the theory that everyone else uses.
The problem with your favorite theory is that it doesn't reflect reality. You value the theory more than reality, in fact, and you trust it to be right no matter what.

There's nothing whatsoever to indicate that "introverted perception" would affect ones inclination to have a theme in an album anyway, so your position is double stuffed.

[CaptainChick]

He is a "fallen" idealist.

For those of us who suffer from hypersensitivity to "life" and the "human condition", for those of us who suffer from having, dare I say, too much self-awareness, for those of us who feel too much, too deeply, and too often, with a masochistic bent towards obsessing over all that is fucked-up about life, well for some of us, we learn to shut the world and people out because by detaching ourselves from it/them and at times, from even ourselves, we get the opportunity to feel less.

I would also say that Trent is a 4.

Hmmm, Echoplex!!!

YouTube - The Slip 05 - echoplex - Nine Inch Nails Halo 27 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfx03FqnCwE)

Nice and high and far apart
Just like they said
I built this place with broken parts
Just like they said
You chip away the old version of you
You'd be surprised at what you can do
I'm safe in here
Irrelevant
Just like they said

My voice just echoes off these walls

You feel me breathe
I am watching you
I see it all
The many ways you can't get to me
I see it all
I see the Hell you put yourself through
Oh the things I could do (if I wanted to)

My voice just echoes off these walls
My voice just echoes off these walls
I don't need anything at all
My voice just echoes off these walls

And I just slowly fade away

You will never ever get to me in here

[Jack Flak]

You're projecting.

[CaptainChick]

You're projecting.
Nope.

When I listen to Ani DiFranco or Trent Reznor I do not project, rather, I *relate* and *connect*.

[Evan]

Nope.

When I listen to Ani DiFranco or Trent Reznor I do not project, rather, I *relate* and *connect*.

Who is gonna win the stubborn battle?

I'm leaning towards CC's side, but it really doesn't matter anymore lol.

[Jack Flak]

Nope.

When I listen to Ani DiFranco or Trent Reznor I do not project, rather, I *relate* and *connect*.
You're quite literally projecting. You think because you feel similarly about whatever, he got there the same way you did.

[CaptainChick]

I only deeply relate to a few people in this world.

In other words, I understand/get a lot of people, yet I actually identify myself with a limited few.

It takes one to know one.

Trent Reznor is one of these select few. Charles Bukowski and Ani DiFranco also being part of this crew.

[Jack Flak]

It takes one to know one.
Not to say that's true at all, but Nocaps is ENTP and he thinks Reznor is ENTP.

[Thursday]

Trent an ISFP or INTJ ?

[Didums]

The idea that you can classify someone's personality on one aspect of his or her being, in this case music, is pushing the envelope.

[Thursday]

The idea that you can classify someone's personality on one aspect of his or her being, in this case music, is pushing the envelope.

Welcome to typologycentral.com: home of the braves
but music is so personal.....

[nozflubber]

Reznor's complicated because the only real avenue we have into his psyche via biography .... and Nine inch nails lyrics are VERY ambiguous and cryptic. I remember reading the reviews for Capital G "being political" because it was about Bush..... Lol ! Wrong G, dudes!

I still think no one really gets Reznor's work. The lyrics of nine inch nails are essentially a dialogue over time of a philosophical skeptic, who is bitter and angrily rejecting the Judeo-Christian God, slowing becoming a kind of intellectual pascifist that is accepting of "needed" concepts like salvation, but ends up leaving the being empty and shallow. The change in mental energy from "downward spiral" to recent works isn't Reznor "mellowing out", it's a part of the whole "Now I'm Nothing" transition.

[Thursday]

Reznor's complicated because the only real avenue we have into his psyche via biography .... and Nine inch nails lyrics are VERY ambiguous and cryptic. I remember reading the reviews for Capital G "being political" because it was about Bush..... Lol ! Wrong G, dudes!

I still think no one really gets Reznor's work. The lyrics of nine inch nails are essentially a dialogue over time of a philosophical skeptic, who is bitter and angrily rejecting the Judeo-Christian God, slowing becoming a kind of intellectual pascifist that is accepting of "needed" concepts like salvation, but ends up leaving the being empty and shallow. The change in mental energy from "downward spiral" to recent works isn't Reznor "mellowing out", it's a part of the whole "Now I'm Nothing" transition.

Well put.
" Getting Smaller " / "Only"

[CaptainChick]

All The Love In The World - NinWiki - Your source for information on Nine Inch Nails, Nine Inch Nails The Slip, and NIN (http://www.ninwiki.com/All_The_Love_In_The_World)


All The Love In The World:

Watching all the insects march along
Seem to know just right where they belong
Smears of face reflecting in the chrome
Hiding in the crowd I'm all alone
No one's heard a single word I've said
They don't sound as good outside my head
Looks as though the past is here to stay
I've become a million miles a-

Why do you get all the love in the world?

All the jagged edges disappear
Colors all look brighter when you're near
The stars are all afire in the sky
Sometimes I get so lonely I could

Why do you get all the love in the world?


Additional lyrics printed in the With Teeth PDF booklet, but not appearing in the song itself

Why am I always watching from the outside?
On the other side of the glass
Behind the glass.
Always watching everyone,
Separate, watching, always
Don't touch.
This is getting deeper
As time goes by,
The water's getting colder.
Here I am surrounded by people but still all alone,
I am always alone.
Even with myself,
Imprisoned in my head.
And there doesn't seem to be any way out,
And I am so fucking sick of here,
Wish I was there.
Right beside is still
A million miles away.
Behind these bars.
In a rut.
Anyplace else will do.
Hello?
Don't think so.
Broadcasting,
Only static coming in.
No one can hear me when I'm here.

I just came across these unsung lyrics for the first time, tonight, (All the Love in the World is one of my favorite NIN songs), and I am floored... :wub:

I have to run an errand, but I will post my analysis of these lyrics when I get back.

Gawd, Trent Reznor....

:wub:

Here is the song YouTube - Tenchi Muyo - All the love in the world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7_HYIGZNn4)

[Jack Flak]

They're lyrics. Do you expect him to write songs about systems analysis?

You can't type people from such a specialized task as songwriting. Period. If you could do that, you could call anyone who got an A on a math test T.

[soleil]

INFP/INTP. Hard to tell, but leaning toward INFP.

[Thursday]

INFP/INTP. Hard to tell, but leaning toward INFP.

Yep

[Danielson]

He´s clearly a rational, Also rather extraverted.
He´s ENTP or ENTJ

[theplacesyoullgo]

I agree that if at all possible, typing should not be done based upon lyrics.

I skimmed through this thread and also wanted to mention (although I'm sure the post was from months ago) that I don't think it's fair to make a case for or against a certain type using a video of a person in an obviously intoxicated state.

I've always got INTP from Reznor (and I've followed his career for years), possibly INTJ. Here's (http://pinkisthenewblog.com/home/2008/12/hangin-with-trent-reznor/) a very recent and low-key video of Trent. Opinions? I think he's pretty strong on all three of the INT preferences.

[Jack Flak]

I've always got INTP from Reznor (and I've followed his career for years), possibly INTJ. Here's (http://pinkisthenewblog.com/home/2008/12/hangin-with-trent-reznor/) a very recent and low-key video of Trent. Opinions? I think he's pretty strong on all three of the INT preferences.
Very recent would mean over age 40, so he like nearly everyone would be rather balanced and harder to type.

Historically he's been...Well the easiest way to describe it is "ENTP," but...More impulsive, more drawn to action, more engaging, and less quality-control oriented than an INTP (Or INTJ, which again, is a laughable type sugg. for Reznor). He exhibits the common traits of ENTP musicians. Another, with relatively similar persuasions (and personality), is Sascha Konietzko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsT_zHAthIw) of KMFDM. INTPs, when they create art, are more controlled in the task, producing that with more refined composition (Which doesn't mean better, by itself).

[theplacesyoullgo]

Historically he's been...Well the easiest way to describe it is "ENTP," but...More impulsive, more drawn to action, more engaging, and less quality-control oriented than an INTP

I have to disagree with that. He used to be known as a meticulous perfectionist - remember how he'd put out one album every five years or so? Not impulsive at all.

I've always thought he was quite self-contained, from those embarrassing leaked videos from the 80s to that video I linked to last night.

[Jack Flak]

I have to disagree with that. He used to be known as a meticulous perfectionist - remember how he'd put out one album every five years or so? Not impulsive at all.

I've always thought he was quite self-contained, from those embarrassing leaked videos from the 80s to that video I linked to last night.
Have you listened to The Fragile, and the one after that? I know you have. At best, half the songs are decent. And have you read any of the 500 threads on this site about "Reserved ENTPs?" Not that he's exceptionally reserved, not compared to most INTPs. Regardless, I know what an ENTP is, and what an INTP is, and Reznor's ENTP.

[theplacesyoullgo]

Have you listened to The Fragile, and the one after that? I know you have. At best, half the songs are decent. And have you read any of the 500 threads on this site about "Reserved ENTPs?" Not that he's exceptionally reserved, not compared to most INTPs. Regardless, I know what an ENTP is, and what an INTP is, and Reznor's ENTP.

Yep, I have, and don't necessarily agree with your assessment; I like far over half the songs. Still, I don't think our personal judgment of an album speaks to whether the creator was a perfectionist in creating it. For all we know, he thought both of those albums were completely "5/5 stars" brilliant.

It's hard to respond to your last line because anyone could easily say the same thing. Agree to disagree, I guess. I actually know quite a few ENTPs, and he reminds me of none of them. It's interesting you've decided to flip the E/I preference from what he's normally typed as, because throughout the thread, it seems nearly all agreed on the IN but no one could reach a consensus on T vs. F and P vs. J.

Edit: Was just looking back through the thread and found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ysGYC69ns) linked, in which he (verbatim) says, "I will isolate if left to my own devices." Not that one quote is "proof" of anything, but like I said, I'm going to personally stick with I for Reznor.

[anii]

navel-gazing, angst-ridden INFP

[Jack Flak]

Edit: Was just looking back through the thread and found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ysGYC69ns) linked, in which he (verbatim) says, "I will isolate if left to my own devices." Not that one quote is "proof" of anything, but like I said, I'm going to personally stick with I for Reznor.
And I had a good ENTP friend who talked about hibernating in the winter, rarely to leave home unless it was necessary, and did it too.

There hasn't been a consensus of "IN" in this thread, and I'll try never to stop correcting those who think he's anything but ENTP, not for your sakes, but the less-experienced with MBTI.

[dotdalidot]

Hmm. I'm not good at typing. But I don't really feel an INFP vibe from Trent.

I say NTP. More E, but only because he has that aura of being able to handle social situations well. And I don't really sense social awkwardness from him.

That's my two cents. :D

[augmented]

where the fuck does anyone get ENTP? honestly, i cannot understand. aren't ENTPs like, lively and shit? i know thats simplistic reasoning but his lyrics are entirely a combination of intuition and Fi. i don't know why anyone would think he's an extravert either; he is on record as saying he doesnt like people, doesnt get along with people, whatever, and fine i know a lot of extraverts hate people but that doesnt = evidence. clinical depression, keeping to ones self, self-expression through music, even drug abuse are all a lot more likely to indicate introversion than extroversion; i know its not proof but the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of I.

i could see INFP or INTJ.

[Evan]

^INFP

You're quite right that ENTP isn't close at all. But I'm worried I'm gonna bring Jack Flak back in here and have the same debate as earlier in the thread...

[placebo]

He must be a really fucked-up ENTP to be an ENTP.

"I've always been attracted to darker things. That's a side of me. How far does things go? If there's a snuff movie I want to see it. I'm not supporting it, but yea I guess I am, but I am curious."

"I used to really fear being alone and hated it. Lately I've come to terms with it. I'm not saying I hope to be alone the rest of my life. I think everyone is alone really. I'm a lot more comfortable with who I am in my head."

"My music has been a sort of personal therapy. It's got me out of tough times, it has been the friend that I needed, when I didn't have a friend there."

"It's like beating your head open and unzipping your chest cavity saying 'here are my guts - everything I've felt, including a lot of stuff I'm not proud of'. It's hard. It uses you up. I walk off stage sometimes and feel like I've just slept with everybody in the audience." (on performing)

"I pop the video in, and wow. Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps...Wow. I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore...It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. That winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning. Different, but every bit as pure." (on his emotions upon watching the video of Johnny Cash's cover of his song "Hurt")


about (making) ghosts

lol the animation is so funny

[FireyPheonix]

I think He's INFP.
I can't offer any argument other than you guys would have to climb inside my head. INFPs can pretty disaplined when driven by internal need.
It's not that I want to claim him for my own type, but as Captain Chick stated earlier, his work speaks to me like no other artists does....