How is Ne used exactly?

[Into It]

Are there clear examples of this function that anyone can throw in here? I'm baffled that it's my dominant funtion because I do not fully understand it. And I don't think I could ever grasp introverted intuition, but because its such a mystery, I'm tempted to say that I would trade Ne for Ni in a heartbeat. That's neither here nor there, but does anyone have any thoughts? Teach me!

[disregard]

Extraverted Intuition (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:WCOsvJUdoGMJ:greenlightwiki.com/lenore-exegesis/Extraverted_Intuition)

[Aimahn]

Personally for me it's that experience of having a number of different things flood your mind when you look at something, or think about it. It's like your chasing a subconscious idea in your head of something thats based on a loose association, but its only a 100% clear after the fact.

It sounds completely random at first to everyone else(including me), but after a little time I can sort it out pretty thoroughly to clarify. I think it's like a really good complex associative recall.

[Aimahn]

Extraverted Intuition (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:WCOsvJUdoGMJ:greenlightwiki.com/lenore-exegesis/Extraverted_Intuition)

Or you know.. that.:yes:

[Into It]

Thanks for that link, I read Bluewing's post first and was intrigued but not satisfied.

p. 198: "...to leap from a few immediate cues to a quick impression of the whole..."

Defines the way that I feel like I understand all 16 types and communicate to people accordingly, even though I'm probably oversimplifying a very complex subject.

[Angry Ayrab]

Think of it this way:

Were you ever talking with someone about a certain topic, and all of the sudden one little word they said brought up an idea in your head that made you immedietly have to blurt it out in what seems to be a total change in topic to the other person when in reality it was really a quite logical jump in your own head?

Well that is an example of Ne.

RUN ONS FTW...

[Angry Ayrab]

Another example is being able to understand and explain things in different ways.

Have you ever understood a theory really quickly and then were able to relay it in much more laymen or totally different terms to another person so that it would make sense? I.E. explaining CPU's in terms of washing machines or acid/base buffer systems in terms of fish in an aquarium.

[InaF3157]

Personally for me it's that experience of having a number of different things flood your mind when you look at something, or think about it. It's like your chasing a subconscious idea in your head of something thats based on a loose association, but its only a 100% clear after the fact.

It sounds completely random at first to everyone else(including me), but after a little time I can sort it out pretty thoroughly to clarify. I think it's like a really good complex associative recall.

I like your first hand account. It sounds much like what I do, too.

Another example is being able to understand and explain things in different ways.

Have you ever understood a theory really quickly and then were able to relay it in much more laymen or totally different terms to another person so that it would make sense? I.E. explaining CPU's in terms of washing machines or acid/base buffer systems in terms of fish in an aquarium.
Yes!! This is what makes ENTPs good professors, I guess.

[substitute]

I don't know, I honestly don't know how it works... it just comes totally naturally to me and I can't imagine not being able to do what I do with it... or why on earth I'd choose any other way of doing things... :blink:

To me nothing ever seems random, everything is connected pretty much, I can instantly see connections between just about anything and anything else and I don't get really why anyone else can't. I can also adapt very quickly and easily to new information and circumstances and I can't imagine for the life of me how or why anyone can continue in a certain way when they have the information right before their eyes that demands change... why the hell would anyone want to continue in error?? It baffles me...

One thing MBTI has taught me though is not to think people are stupid because they can't use Ne the way I do... but the reason I used to think they were was because I never thought my *being* able to do it was anything special. :blush:

[Jennifer]

Do you recall where that one discussion was, Sub, where you and me and Digest and Xander and some others explored Ne dominance in a lot of detail?

Haven't found it yet...

[Angry Ayrab]

Do you recall where that one discussion was, Sub, where you and me and Digest and Xander and some others explored Ne dominance in a lot of detail?

Haven't found it yet...

Was that the one with someone mentioning the word hat and how it conjured up the images of cat in the hat, Dr. Seuss, Napoleon, George Washington, Cow boys and splat?

[Jennifer]

Was that the one with someone mentioning the word hat and how it conjured up the images of cat in the hat, Dr. Seuss, Napoleon, George Washington, Cow boys and splat?

I think the thread I was imagining was more focused on ENTP.

But the one you describe sounds like fun!

[Angry Ayrab]

I think the thread I was imagining was more focused on ENTP.

But the one you describe sounds like fun!

Lol, sorry to be of no help.

[substitute]

Do you recall where that one discussion was, Sub, where you and me and Digest and Xander and some others explored Ne dominance in a lot of detail?

Haven't found it yet...

What do you think? :mellow:

[Jennifer]

What do you think? :mellow:

yes?



...stop toying with me!

[substitute]

Sorry, no. I have trouble remembering what I had for lunch three hours ago... and yet I can memorize entire movie scripts... if I ever work out how my memory works so I can remember the things I want to, I'll let you know! :cry:

actually, I say that, but I've an inkling it was part of one of those ENTP threads in the NT forum... no, it's okay, no need to send me flowers and chocolates as thanks for whittling it down so precisely :D

[Jennifer]

actually, I say that, but I've an inkling it was part of one of those ENTP threads in the NT forum... no, it's okay, no need to send me flowers and chocolates as thanks for whittling it down so precisely :D

Sorry, I already ate the flowers and smelled the chocolate here.

Guess I'll actually have to LOOK. Sigh.

EDIT: Well, look at that -- it was in the "How to Catch an ENTP Guy" thread (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/relationships/6312-how-catch-entp-guy-2.html).

I have linked to Page 2. There's some discussion of Ne vs Ni, at least, but you'd see how Ne-dominant might play out.

[observer84]

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/jungian_functions.htm">Visual representation</a>

I find that page very helpful when thinking about the 8 cognitive functions.

Extroverted Sensing deals more with objects in the world, whereas extroverted iNtuition deals with underlying meanings and possibilities associated with said object. The object itself is not important.

Introvert iNtuition deals with meanings and possibilities too, but it is focused internally. It involves mental imagery, realizing profound meanings and far reaching symbols. The external stimuli need not be present. Many INFJ's, with Ni and Fe, feel they are in some way "psychic."


So then Ne takes in external information with iNtuition. It does not see the object, but sees its meaning, it's purpose or its relationship to other things. Because of this, Ne is a quick learner because the incoming information is already connected to its intuitive meaning.

[observer84]

Fundamental Nature of the MBTI (http://www.geocities.com/player2000gi/jungian_functions.htm)

[Into It]

This post is making me wonder if I'm really an ENFJ. I mean, someone saying the word "hat" would not conjure up that many images at once. Also, I have some problems with Bluewing's ENFP profile (and perhaps others?) which said that enfp's involuntarily submit to authority. I make it a point to question the legitamacy of any authority. But I do suck the life out of something and then just move on- and I'm unequivically scatterbrained. I'm going to have to mull this over.

Edit: If I'm off this forum in a week, does that make me an ENFP? :)

Edit: I did start about ten threads at once before just falling asleep.

Edit: "Ne is a quick learner because the incoming information is already connected to its intuitive meaning."
One of the fastest learners I know.

Major in Psychology minor in philosophy

Edit: Now that I'm thinking about it, ENFJ sounds farther and farther off. Also, look at the number of edits on this post!! But it's ok- now the post is "perfect"

[The_Liquid_Laser]

This post is making me wonder if I'm really an ENFJ. I mean, someone saying the word "hat" would not conjure up that many images at once. Also, I have some problems with Bluewing's ENFP profile (and perhaps others?) which said that enfp's involuntarily submit to authority. I make it a point to question the legitamacy of any authority. But I do suck the life out of something and then just move on- and I'm unequivically scatterbrained. I'm going to have to mull this over.


If BlueWing said that then it was either a misunderstanding or he's way off. ENTP is the type least likely to submit to authority. I don't believe ENFP is much different. In fact I think ENFP is most likely to be the "Rage Against The Machine"/"Stick It To The Man" activist type.

[Angry Ayrab]

LMFAO... Into it, you sound like a total ENFP... you know the saying: Takes one to know one.

[substitute]

Into It, you'll learn to take BW's posts with a dose of salt pretty quickly I think, if you but browse his "back issues" for half an hour...

To say ENFP's automatically submit to authority's the biggest crock I ever heard.

[sakuraba]

Ne is best used for finding inconsistencies, contradictions, hypocritical things.

Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine" is a good example of Ne being used.

[mlittrell]

XNFP's tend to hate beaurocrasy.

anyway, they way i see Ne is the world is full of possiblities. anything can be linked. for example, if you think of an object all of the sudden you are flooded with images and ideas and such. ya that example but all of those ideas and images are linked in some way, though the links may seem trivial

idk thats how I see it

[Eric B]

If BlueWing said that then it was either a misunderstanding or he's way off. ENTP is the type least likely to submit to authority. I don't believe ENFP is much different. In fact I think ENFP is most likely to be the "Rage Against The Machine"/"Stick It To The Man" activist type.
I have seen in a few places where they to tend to be submissive. Usually to friends, but sometimes to authority as well. Like here:ENFP Profile (http://www.typelogic.com/enfp.html)

Perhaps the combination of introverted Feeling and childlike introverted Sensing is responsible for the silent pull of ENFPs to the wishes of parents, authority figures and friends. Or perhaps it's the predominance of indecisive intuition in combination with the ambiguity of secondary Fi and tertiary Te that induces these kind souls to capitulate even life-affecting decisions. Whatever the dynamic, ENFPs are strongly influenced by the opinions of their friends.

Maybe that's what was being thought of regarding "submission"?
After all, they are considered "cooperative" (do what's right) rather than "pragmatic" (do what works). It's when a value is violated that they go against authority.

[substitute]

Whilst I know at least one female ENFP who gives into a very unreasonable and selfish husband far too often and sees it as her duty in life to make him happy even at her own expense, I also know my brother who has been singularly unable to hold down a single job in his entire life for more than six months before either being fired or walking out exactly because he would not submit to or respect authority.

I think the crucial deciding factor might be that in the case of the woman, she has CHOSEN the guy, chosen to have him 'over' her (no pun intended), to have him in her life - that particular guy. She's given him the authority over her, so she's willing to give way. Whereas my brother didn't get to choose the particular people who were in authority over him, he didn't GIVE them the authority, they just assumed it because of external circumstances. So he didn't see it as valid or even existent.

[Eric B]

Interesting point. That, again, probably ties into the parent Fi.

[Jennifer]

Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine" is a good example of Ne being used.

... and, as a tangent, probably not being supported by Ti.

[InaF3157]

... and, as a tangent, probably not being supported by Ti.

:laugh: touché

[Jennifer]

:laugh: touché

Did we ever discuss MM's type?

I've never really thought much about it, but I'd investigate him as ENFP first now that I've had to think about it a moment.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

I have seen in a few places where they to tend to be submissive. Usually to friends, but sometimes to authority as well. Like here:ENFP Profile (http://www.typelogic.com/enfp.html)

Perhaps the combination of introverted Feeling and childlike introverted Sensing is responsible for the silent pull of ENFPs to the wishes of parents, authority figures and friends. Or perhaps it's the predominance of indecisive intuition in combination with the ambiguity of secondary Fi and tertiary Te that induces these kind souls to capitulate even life-affecting decisions. Whatever the dynamic, ENFPs are strongly influenced by the opinions of their friends.

Maybe that's what was being thought of regarding "submission"?
After all, they are considered "cooperative" (do what's right) rather than "pragmatic" (do what works). It's when a value is violated that they go against authority.


"ENFP's are strongly influenced by the opinions of their friends." That is probably a better way of saying it, than to say they "submit to authority". Ultimately every individual is different, but ENFP's tend to be countercultural in general, and that is why I wouldn't say that they tend to submit to authority.

[InaF3157]

Did we ever discuss MM's type?

I've never really thought much about it, but I'd investigate him as ENFP first now that I've had to think about it a moment.

Hmm . . . I can see that, particularly the ENF part.