talk first, then think!

[whatever]

I've been criticized over the years for my habit of saying whatever is on my mind at the time without really bothering to think things through before talking. This occasionally gets some odd looks and makes people wonder if I'm really all that bright at all- not to mention it tends to ruffle the feathers of more proper people.

Of the people I know it's usually the ExxPs who have this habit as well.

Is this really type related or a sign that I am, perhaps, as some have suggested, a throuroghly uncouth idiot? :huh:

[runvardh]

No, I'm sure it's pretty normal when an Extroverted Perceptive function is running unhinged.

[Jack Flak]

The ENTP I knew best would talk first, then never think about the horrible thing he said. True story.

[InaF3157]

Uh, you could be both ;) Some would say you are one because of the other . . .
I used to do this more often in the past. Now for whatever reason I stop to think, but I'm not sure if it's the force of necessary habit warping natural inclinations or getting to be more myself.

[whatever]

It usually doesn't occur to me that I HAVE said something horrible until I'm told that I did- then my first thought is always "why are people so damned sensitive?"

worse yet, this is not improving with age :doh:

[InaF3157]

It usually doesn't occur to me that I HAVE said something horrible until I'm told that I did- then my first thought is always "why are people so damned sensitive?"

worse yet, this is not improving with age :doh:

Oh noes!
I hear you, though. If age isn't improving it, try to keep track of the things that you say that get you into hot water and self-monitor a bit. That's assuming you want to stop getting into hot water. Sometimes it doesn't matter that you think/know they are being hypersensitive.

[prplchknz]

It usually doesn't occur to me that I HAVE said something horrible until I'm told that I did- then my first thought is always "why are people so damned sensitive?"

worse yet, this is not improving with age :doh:

if it's funny you can get away with this around me. Though I try not to get upset when someone says something insensitve, cuz I've done the same to others. without meaning to.

I do also wonder about overly sensitive people. I mean worse things happen beyond getting offended. And if you're going to get offended at everything then when will you have time to have fun? that's how I look it.

I'm not going to usually purposely offend someone.

[substitute]

I'm the same as you whatever, but I have learned to pause a fraction of a second before talking... this causes various problems...

- it's natural to me to just say what's on my mind
- in order to not do that, it takes quite a lot of effort
- if I'm using all that effort in restraining myself then that leaves less spare for listening
- so I'll use the time while the other person's talking to think of what I'm going to say and edit it before printing, so to speak
- although I don't say tactless things as often, I do get complained at for not listening

I guess the way I see it really, if I'm honest, is that some people just are stupidly sensitive, and there's no getting away from that. So I have learned to be careful and figure out what sorts of things people tend to get offended by and avoid saying those things, or being more careful to figure out where a person's "offence threshold" is before speaking.

But I still reserve the right to think that they're silly and, perhaps not overly sensitive but just sensitive about pointless things that I can't see any point being sensitive about.

We can all accommodate each other as much as we can and I think that's about as much as a person can ask of another person, realistically, that we keep our thoughts to ourselves if they're not polite. But it goes beyond the pale really to expect a person to not even THINK the things that are natural to them... lol

[InaF3157]

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I guess the way I see it really, if I'm honest, is that some people just are stupidly sensitive, and there's no getting away from that. So I have learned to be careful and figure out what sorts of things people tend to get offended by and avoid saying those things, or being more careful to figure out where a person's "offence threshold" is before speaking.

But I still reserve the right to think that they're silly and, perhaps not overly sensitive but just sensitive about pointless things that I can't see any point being sensitive about.

+1

[Economica]

Is this really type related or a sign that I am, perhaps, as some have suggested, a throuroghly uncouth idiot? :huh:

It's definitely a type-related shortcoming, but that doesn't mean you're off the hook. ;) ENTPs can develop Fe and become very good at knowing what to say and what not to say - just look at Obama.

In my view it's a question of motivation rather than inability: If deprived of sufficient stimulation, ENTPs become disillusioned and develop a habit of not giving a damn by way of amusing themselves. So make worthy friends, and you'll find yourself wanting to be - and with some practice successfully being - considerate of them. :yes: (And through that practice you'll also become able to control how considerate you are of everyone else.)

[Jeffster]

Don't change! I love people like that! They say all the stuff I wish I would say but I get all timid too much of the time.

[Colors]

Yeah. I wish I could be more like that. I get too unsure a lot though. The problem with this is that you never *know* how the person would've reacted then. And perhaps it would've been bad or good...

[Little Linguist]

I've been criticized over the years for my habit of saying whatever is on my mind at the time without really bothering to think things through before talking. This occasionally gets some odd looks and makes people wonder if I'm really all that bright at all- not to mention it tends to ruffle the feathers of more proper people.

Of the people I know it's usually the ExxPs who have this habit as well.

Is this really type related or a sign that I am, perhaps, as some have suggested, a throuroghly uncouth idiot? :huh:

Heh If you want to see the problems I have with this, just take a look at my last blog entry, although that is a relatively extreme example. :blush:

Seriously, though, I have a problem with speaking before I think. And writing before I think. And sometimes even acting before I think. Except, of course, when I *have* to speak, write, or act quickly. Then I blank out, of course. :-P

[ygolo]

I've been criticized over the years for my habit of saying whatever is on my mind at the time without really bothering to think things through before talking. This occasionally gets some odd looks and makes people wonder if I'm really all that bright at all- not to mention it tends to ruffle the feathers of more proper people.

Of the people I know it's usually the ExxPs who have this habit as well.

Is this really type related or a sign that I am, perhaps, as some have suggested, a throuroghly uncouth idiot? :huh:

There is nothing wrong with that at all. Funny think is even as a severe introvert, I do the same thing too. Just at a MUCH slower pace.

[substitute]

Yeah. I wish I could be more like that. I get too unsure a lot though. The problem with this is that you never *know* how the person would've reacted then. And perhaps it would've been bad or good...

That's the real Achilles heel of Ne I think. That you just can't live with yourself for not finding something out when you had the opportunity, so... *cringe*

[The_Liquid_Laser]

I've been criticized over the years for my habit of saying whatever is on my mind at the time without really bothering to think things through before talking. This occasionally gets some odd looks and makes people wonder if I'm really all that bright at all- not to mention it tends to ruffle the feathers of more proper people.

Of the people I know it's usually the ExxPs who have this habit as well.

Is this really type related or a sign that I am, perhaps, as some have suggested, a throuroghly uncouth idiot? :huh:

Heh, I've had plenty of problem with this, although I try to control it somewhat. When I am self monitoring I can usually keep my thoughts to myself. If I am excited or tired or taken off guard, then I just let the words fly without thinking of the consequences. :)

[Santtu]

Uhh, I've been one of the worst examples of apparent talk-first-then-think ideology. That's never been the case tho; I've seen I'm free to talk in some boundaries, and then I let myself loose.

[Into It]

Forums are hard for me and probably other EP's. Reading back on my posts, I notice that I start on topic and then just talk about whatever is on my mind. It makes me wonder if the things I say in person are ridiculous also..!

[InaF3157]

That's the real Achilles heel of Ne I think. That you just can't live with yourself for not finding something out when you had the opportunity, so... *cringe*

:yes:
then you get the troublemaker branding when it was just healthy curiosity.

[YourLocalJesus]

Like many of you guys know, i'm pretty good at writing weird stuff that I don't think through before it's out :D I wouldn't restrict it to ExxP's only ;) I'd like to believe that i'm not just a complete idiot :smile:
Perhaps it's not because of lack of intelligence, it might be that I do it on purpose on a subconscious level, just to be funny?

[murkrow]

Talk first ask questions later is pretty quintessential Te and therefore J.

I've never seen a P act this way really.

[InaF3157]

I have. The problem is you can't jump off one trait to a conclusion on type. Humans won't let you.

[murkrow]

The problem is you're an INTJ

WHAT?! WHAT?!



No, I'm just tired.

[substitute]

Talk first ask questions later is pretty quintessential Te and therefore J.

I've never seen a P act this way really.

Point is I think we're talking here more about asking questions and thinking later, as opposed to giving opinions and decrees and begrudgingly tolerating feedback later ;)

From what I see the Ne type talkativeness is really sheer curiosity and a lot of questions are asked as a hypothesis evolves, whilst with Te type talkativeness (in my experience) it's more sorta summing up and tying up and pushing forwards, if you know what I mean? Less exploratory and more interrogatory... heh

If you've honestly never seen a P being talkative, reckless or spontaneous then really, I don't think you've ever seen a P!!

[Grayscale]

id rather just stop thinking in general

[Jennifer]

I don't know if anyone brought this up yet, but usually ExxP's have this great, "Oh dear, did I say that outloud or did I just think it?" after the fact.

At least, if they do think about it at all.

My E(sf)P kid definitely thinks outside his head, and the more tired or excited he gets, the less editing that goes on than normal... and the louder he gets too.

[aguanile]

I am not by any means an "E," so the idea of generally speaking unfiltered is foreign to me. I always think before I speak. (And those times that I don't, I end up putting my foot in my mouth) I think speaking before you think can be okay, but usually it's not. Atleast in my experience. Just because you think someone is fat doesn't mean you have to say it to them, for instance. (I was with a friend who said this to someone. There was no need for it. It didn't better the situation in anyway. She just felt she needed to say that and so she did. It can be insensitive)

[Xander]

There are those who would say that my own preference for this particular habit is indicative of me being an ENTP... however there is another who I know who does likewise and he's an INTJ. I'm not sure what causes it but I've the sneaky feeling it has something to do with being more focused upon what promoted the thought/ comment than with explaining it.

[Hmm]

Sometimes I think before I speak and sometimes I don't. It really depends on how comfortable I am with the person or circumstance I am in.