Star Trek

[tinkerbell]

Hi

My boss is an ENTJ, and he often refers to things through using Star Trek analogies, infact he and another collegue have used trek examples to ahve whole conversations.

Do you think that NTs are more prone to to being SciFi geeks?

Lis :)

[colmena]

I liked the campyness and humour of the original series. And I love the moral messages. The rest can fuck off.

[Enyo]

Hi

My boss is an ENTJ, and he often refers to things through using Star Trek analogies, infact he and another collegue have used trek examples to ahve whole conversations.

Do you think that NTs are more prone to to being SciFi geeks?

Lis :)

Maybe? My husband is not a firm NT. He actually waivers between ISTP and INTP, depending on the test. He's a bigger sci-fi geek than I am about some things. While I enjoyed the Ringworld series, I wouldn't have read it if it weren't for him. He does Neil Gaimon and Spider Robinson books. He plays Halo.

Me? Not so much. I hate Star Trek (classic and Enterprise), but love the others that came in between. I can kick his but in StarWars trivia.

In a nutshell, his sysadmin-y self is a bigger geek than my humanities major self. :)

[mippus]

I love SF, but not Star Trek. Wouldn't suspect SJ's to be too fond of it, but I have no idea. I don't see any difference here between NTJ and NTP...

[DigitalMethod]

I love Star Wars.

I dislike Star Trek. It's too utopia-ish.

[substitute]

Hmm... I was all ready to say 'yes', then I thought about my life as a geeky roleplayer with my AD&D books under my arm all the time. Well, under the arm of the dufus I conned into carrying them for me, but they were mine.

And I remembered how it seemed to me most of the people in the roleplaying groups were real by the book types, most of whom were also into sci-fi. It was hard to find someone who wouldn't be completely nitpicky all the damn time and have to follow everything meticulously and they'd bore me to death spending hours lingering over details ingame whilst I was just yawning and waiting to splat someone.

All that meticulousness and rule following doesn't seem very NT to me...

[heart]

I liked the campyness and humour of the original series. And I love the moral messages. The rest can fuck off.

Absolute truth.

[runvardh]

Hmm... I was all ready to say 'yes', then I thought about my life as a geeky roleplayer with my AD&D books under my arm all the time. Well, under the arm of the dufus I conned into carrying them for me, but they were mine.

And I remembered how it seemed to me most of the people in the roleplaying groups were real by the book types, most of whom were also into sci-fi. It was hard to find someone who wouldn't be completely nitpicky all the damn time and have to follow everything meticulously and they'd bore me to death spending hours lingering over details ingame whilst I was just yawning and waiting to splat someone.

All that meticulousness and rule following doesn't seem very NT to me...

You'd love my roommate's games, they is tha shit! :D

[Blackmail!]

I like Star trek.

It's a world where frenchmen can be captain of the admiral vessel of the Federation, and where Paris is the capitol city of earth and the galaxy.

(Too utopia-ish, you said?) :frown:

[animenagai]

holy crap. 11:0:1:1

talk about a blowout.

[DigitalMethod]

(Too utopia-ish, you said?) :frown:

Yeah, I mean I respect Star Trek, it's sci-fi after all. But it's not for me. I find anytime I watch it I just get bored.

It's like, "Oh man life is so perfect, let's go explore!" I might be completely wrong, it's just it's not for me. I'd rather the notion of the force and being a bad ass monk with a glow stick.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

The first series were good but not great. The later series I try to get into, but there is so much wrong with them. In ST:TNG the character with the most personality is Data the android. :rolli:

[Blackmail!]

In ST:TNG the character with the most personality is Data the android. :rolli:

Well, in every series, I always empathize with the doctors (except TNG, where I'd rather see both Crusher's die in the most gory and hideous way)...

TOS -> Kirk/McCoy
TNG -> Picard (and sometimes Q)
DS9 -> Bashir/Garak
VOY -> Holographic doctor
ENT -> Phlox

[tinkerbell]

guess that's a yes then....

Yea roll playing also seems a bit NT, but I've never indluged in either.

I do read an awful lot, and actually I have been wondering if reading is just living life vacariously, should we all ditch the paper and go get lives?????

Lis :0

[Tallulah]

I'm not a fan of Sci Fi in general, but I do love the new Battlestar Galactica.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

I'm not a fan of Sci Fi in general, but I do love the new Battlestar Galactica.

I love BSG too, but it's what I'd call "light SciFi". It's really a drama that just happens to have a fantastic/futuristic setting.

[Jack Flak]

The thread title and poll questions are not synonymous. Are you sure you're not NF, tinkerbell? teehee.

[01011010]

I like Star Trek - TOS. After that, I lost interest. I like Star Wars too. I'm also a defender of <strike>134340</strike> Pluto.

[heart]

TOS is properly seen as Kirk/McCoy/Spock.

Spock is the left brain.
Mc Coy is the right brain.
Kirk is the balance between.

This is the main reason it is so compelling and why morality themes and universal questions played out so well.

It is also the tension between feeling loyalty and duty to a cause and trying to balance it with individuality and personal conscience.

[runvardh]

I like Star Trek - TOS. After that, I lost interest. I like Star Wars too. I'm also a defender of <strike>134340</strike> Pluto.

Are you talking about that dwarf planet and plutoid crap? Sometimes you wonder what kind of gong show is happening over at the IAU...

[Sinister Scribe]

I like Star Trek (Original and Next Generation) and Star Wars... but I also like certain fantasy genres. It really just depends.

[ygolo]

I prefer Science to Science Fiction.

The truth is so much more interesting than fiction.

[Antisocial one]

I prefer Science to Science Fiction.

The truth is so much more interesting than fiction.

I could not agree more.

[substitute]

Yeah well, I can't stand it as you can imagine. Never watched it in my life. BUT once upon a time I got blackmailed into going to a convention and I can confidently say that ISTJ was well represented there... especially amongst the collectors...

...actually, many types were well represented. But suffice to say, I don't think the ones dressed (and acting) as Klingons were introverts...

[Bella]

Yeah well, I can't stand it as you can imagine. Never watched it in my life. BUT once upon a time I got blackmailed into going to a convention and I can confidently say that ISTJ was well represented there... especially amongst the collectors...

...actually, many types were well represented. But suffice to say, I don't think the ones dressed (and acting) as Klingons were introverts...

lol! Get outta town!.....ISTJ's?......Bizarre.

[Trinity]

Si-Fi is about the only geeky thing I do :yes:

[substitute]

lol! Get outta town!.....ISTJ's?......Bizarre.

Takes a certain amount of patience and uh, stability, to devote 20 years of your life to collecting items and keeping them in sealed, cellophane packets, cataloguing and displaying them according to issue numbers and customizing your car for their efficient transport from convention to convention...

This level of patience, I'm thinking, doesn't come at all naturally to NP's... or N's generally!

edit - those who stood around in conversations, quoting lines from episodes whose season, episode number and title they've memorized were not NT's, I'm thinking...

[substitute]

Oh yeah, and the 'Spinerfemmes' - a group of women obsessed with the actor Brent Spiner (Data), are certainly not NT's - at least, not those of them who have bought their houses according to the view they have of Spiner's house... and I'm pretty sure the ones who write 'slash' fiction aren't NT's either...

[Bella]

LOL!
Whackjobs you are, my people.

[substitute]

See, when ENTP's do sci-fi, we make it cool.
It's only geeky when the INTP's and ISTJ's get hold of it :alttongue:

[sleeptowin]

I like Star trek.

It's a world where frenchmen can be captain of the admiral vessel of the Federation, and where Paris is the capitol city of earth and the galaxy.

(Too utopia-ish, you said?) :frown:

Also, star trek tells us that in the future, french people will speak english with a british accent, until they get drunk on wine, then they start singing in french, but they'll keep right on speaking english even then.

Also, according to star trek, in the future, robots will have asses that can function as floatation devices. (This is also true in futurama, but that's a different matter.)

[ajblaise]

My dad always made me watch Star Trek when I was little, so I'm down with them. So when it comes to space exploration, you would find me on the Enterprise first any day. But I'm not into sci-fi at all....

*smacks light saber out of some geeks hands*

[substitute]

Also, star trek tells us that in the future, french people will speak english with a british accent, until they get drunk on wine, then they start singing in french, but they'll keep right on speaking english even then.

Nooooo, that's just the universal translator malfunctioning! :rolleyes:

[sleeptowin]

Nooooo, that's just the universal translator malfunctioning! :rolleyes:

If I remember correctly, in the episode which I'm referring to, they were NOT wearing universal translators while on the surface. Even though that, Picard was still speaking with a british accent.

(And singing in french, when drunk of course).

I demand an explanation! :D

[substitute]

If I remember correctly, in the episode which I'm referring to, they were NOT wearing universal translators while on the surface. Even though that, Picard was still speaking with a british accent.

(And singing in french, when drunk of course).

I demand an explanation! :D

Well now, being French myself, but having lived in the UK for a looooong time, I speak English with a British accent most of the time. But when drunk or tired, I do revert to French without realizing it.

Perhaps it's the same for Picard. Poor chap.

BTW I like your avatar. That's the dude that killed Tasha - I never liked her anyway!

[ygolo]

Yeah well, I can't stand it as you can imagine. Never watched it in my life. BUT once upon a time I got blackmailed into going to a convention and I can confidently say that ISTJ was well represented there... especially amongst the collectors...

...actually, many types were well represented. But suffice to say, I don't think the ones dressed (and acting) as Klingons were introverts...

Hmm... I was all ready to say 'yes', then I thought about my life as a geeky roleplayer with my AD&D books under my arm all the time. Well, under the arm of the dufus I conned into carrying them for me, but they were mine.

And I remembered how it seemed to me most of the people in the roleplaying groups were real by the book types, most of whom were also into sci-fi. It was hard to find someone who wouldn't be completely nitpicky all the damn time and have to follow everything meticulously and they'd bore me to death spending hours lingering over details ingame whilst I was just yawning and waiting to splat someone.

All that meticulousness and rule following doesn't seem very NT to me...

Takes a certain amount of patience and uh, stability, to devote 20 years of your life to collecting items and keeping them in sealed, cellophane packets, cataloguing and displaying them according to issue numbers and customizing your car for their efficient transport from convention to convention...

This level of patience, I'm thinking, doesn't come at all naturally to NP's... or N's generally!

edit - those who stood around in conversations, quoting lines from episodes whose season, episode number and title they've memorized were not NT's, I'm thinking...

Oh yeah, and the 'Spinerfemmes' - a group of women obsessed with the actor Brent Spiner (Data), are certainly not NT's - at least, not those of them who have bought their houses according to the view they have of Spiner's house... and I'm pretty sure the ones who write 'slash' fiction aren't NT's either...

Well now, being French myself, but having lived in the UK for a looooong time, I speak English with a British accent most of the time. But when drunk or tired, I do revert to French without realizing it.

Perhaps it's the same for Picard. Poor chap.

BTW I like your avatar. That's the dude that killed Tasha - I never liked her anyway!

How do you know so much about this?

[substitute]

Alright, you force me out of the closet.
I am a Trekkie.
There. Happy now?
I hope you know, if I get murdered, it'll be YOUR fault! :cry:


(cos like it was sooooo secret)

[ygolo]

Alright, you force me out of the closet.
I am a Trekkie.
There. Happy now?
I hope you know, if I get murdered, it'll be YOUR fault! :cry:


(cos like it was sooooo secret)

People murder trekkies? That is geek bashing to the max.

You know I used to considered myself a "trekkie" till I met the real thing (A kid in school used to dress-up like Spock, and a former boss was a regular at Sci-Fi. conventions).

Now, I just say I like Star Trek and have seen (what I believe to be) a large number of episodes.

I personally think "The Next Generation" was the most thought provoking of all the series (the others mainly being aimed at a seemingly narrow audience). The original casts' movies, however, were better, and had wider appeal, IMO.

[substitute]

I know what you mean ygolo, I hesitate to use the word - I just like the show, I don't collect stuff or dress up or anything. Though I do enjoy conventions, despite I've only been to one, I'd like to go to another. But then, I like most large gatherings of people!

I like TNG, but I dunno... I think DS9 was just as thought provoking - less episodic, characters progressed and evolved more. I don't think I really have a favourite series though I do think Voyager was the weakest, character-wise.

[spirilis]

I know what you mean ygolo, I hesitate to use the word - I just like the show, I don't collect stuff or dress up or anything. Though I do enjoy conventions, despite I've only been to one, I'd like to go to another. But then, I like most large gatherings of people!

I like TNG, but I dunno... I think DS9 was just as thought provoking - less episodic, characters progressed and evolved more. I don't think I really have a favourite series though I do think Voyager was the weakest, character-wise.

I used to hate DS9 when I'd seen the episodes once in a blue moon, watching it piecemeal. After I obtained the entire series (bittorrent *cough*) and watched it *in sequence*, I realized how awesome it really was. It's *imperative* that you watch DS9 in sequence if you really want to enjoy it to its fullest. IMO much of TNG could be watched out of order, as there wasn't nearly as much pre-context to digest before you understood the point of each episode.

[substitute]

I totally agree Spirilis. In fact, I said similar in my previous post but deleted it for fear of being thought self-indulgent :laugh:

I used to only like the original, and then I took to TNG pretty quick, but the others I never liked until a friend gave me his collection of the entire of DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, so I started watching them all in sequence when I was at a loose end from time to time. Some of the storylines in Voyager are strong, but they're let down I think, by the weak characters - there's only really Janeway, 7 of 9 and the doctor that have any sorta charisma, IMO. I couldn't give a shit what happens to the rest of 'em. But I got hooked on DS9 after about the middle of the second season. I don't think it started to live up to its potential until then.

[sleeptowin]

Well now, being French myself, but having lived in the UK for a looooong time, I speak English with a British accent most of the time. But when drunk or tired, I do revert to French without realizing it.

Perhaps it's the same for Picard. Poor chap.

BTW I like your avatar. That's the dude that killed Tasha - I never liked her anyway!

Well yeah, but he only does it on the singing part...

Yes, Skin of evil is probably one of my favourite TNG episodes, it's so star trek you can't believe it's TNG! I mean, Picard beams down to the surface and deals with the tar monster him self!

Anyway...

Regarding the different series, I feel personally that TNG is all in all the best of them. The "problem" with TNG is that, in my experience at least, because of the lack of a progressive story that runs from the seasons, it's hard for people that aren't into star trek to get into it. Voyager though, it's the least thought provoking, but it's a bit easier getting into because it's more similiar to current series running on TV right now, though it's a bit lacking on the thought provokingification... (eh...)... Though I have to admit that the most thought provoking star trek episode ever, in my opinion that is, was a Voyager episode.
DS9 however, i never got into it the same way i got into TNG and VOY, though it was a very interesting series. I liked the fact that ferengis got more room in the drama, and e.t.c.

I think TOS deserves a mention of honor here, TOS is always going to be awesome, no matter how ridiculous some of the episodes are. When I was kid, sometime around the mid-nighties, I watched it every day after school, back then, it was the single coolest thing I'd ever seen on TV.