Questions for Obama supporters

[Hmm]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

[Jack Flak]

OK, I read the text before the title, so I should say I'm not an Obama supporter, but yes he does. In that cult of personality thing he has going.

[SquirrelTao]

Michelle Obama reminds me of Jackie because she's got a similar elegance about her and she's young. Her hair is similar, too. Barack Obama doesn't remind me of Kennedy really. But of course we know his camp is explicitly making the association between him and Kennedy, as we saw in Carolyn Kennedy's speech at the convention.

[ajblaise]

The youthfulness is the major similarity, that and Obama will probably get shot and killed in office too.

[Jack Flak]

The youthfulness is the major similarity, that and Obama will probably get shot and killed in office too.
I wouldn't be terribly surprised, but why would you think so? I'm thinking along the lines of reactionary right-wing cabin-dweller as opposed to mafia hit.

[ajblaise]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised, but why would you think so? I'm thinking along the lines of reactionary right-wing cabin-dweller as opposed to mafia hit.

Whoever it is, it will appear to just be some right-wing loner. Actually I guess a few people got arrested at the DNC, for making threats or something with guns, they showed pictures of them, sure enough they appeared to be backwoods rednecks.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

No, and if he did I probably wouldn't be voting for him.

[sassafrassquatch]

Not at all.

[Beat]

I think the only real similarity is the youthfulness, charm/good looks and celebrity-like reputation that's been generated.

[Magic Poriferan]

Not really. Hate to jump on the bandwagon here, but I also think he's only similar in the way that he charms people. As for youth, it kind of relates, but Kennedy was actually younger than Obama.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

I'm not old enough to remember what it was like when they were in the White House.

[LostInNerSpace]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

Yes. In the way counts most. What he can do for the country. He has real vision and political balls of steel. John McCain lost his maverick appeal as soon as he sold out to his agents of intolerance.

[sassafrassquatch]

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[heart]

The only reason his name and JFK would be linked in my mind is all the media hype trying to tell us all that yes we all DO think Obama is just like JFK.

It's truly a pricelessly blunt, like a sledgehammer media ploy.

Edit: Sass is exactly right, Republicans do it too, but I am not sure how that makes the idea that there is a cult of personality surrounding Obama any less valid.

[Jack Flak]

Ron Paul, for example, was very popular, but it wasn't a cult of personality. It was based entirely on his positions on issues. I estimate that Obama supporters on the board have, for the most part, real reasons for preferring him, but out there in America, I'll bet you dollars to donuts most people couldn't tell you his stance on anything. They just like him.

[LostInNerSpace]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/cult.gif

Then wouldn't JFK also have fallen into this category?

Hmm, I wonder:thinking:. Imagine for a moment President Obama gets elected. President Obama is popular and achieves a lot. In 30 years, another charismatic candidate comes along. Would people ask the same question? Is this guy another Barack Obama? Would you make the same argument then?

[Jack Flak]

Then wouldn't JFK also have fallen into this category?
Yes, see my first post in this thread. I don't know if you're aware of this, but JFK was a great speaker, and a bit of a **** sandwich.

[sassafrassquatch]

Then wouldn't JFK also have fallen into this category?

Hmm, I wonder:thinking:. Imagine for a moment President Obama gets elected. President Obama is popular and achieves a lot. In 30 years, another charismatic candidate comes along. Would people ask the same question? Is this guy another Barack Obama? Would you make the same argument then?

The way the news describes things nothing is new or original. Everything is just the latest version of some older thing. Like come kind of cyclical fatalism, this has all happened before and will all happen again.

[Jack Flak]

The way the news describes things nothing is new or original. Everything is just the latest version of some older thing. Like come kind of cyclical fatalism, this has all happened before and will all happen again.
OT: That's an N style statement, if you're still trying to figure out your type.

[sassafrassquatch]

OT: That's an N style statement,

I come up with stuff like that all the time.

if you're still trying to figure out your type.

Always am. :D

[AllAboutSoul]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?


Not much, no.

[rhinosaur]

No, but I wasn't alive when JFK was president.

[Peguy]

So if Obama doesn't get elected, will there be some mass suicide pact among Obamaniacs? I mean, if you're going to be a cult might as well go all the way.

Some of you people are even adopting his middle name. Get over yourselves, he's a politician like anybody else, not some Messiah!

[IlyaK1986]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

No clue. Wasn't alive back then.

[sassafrassquatch]

So if Obama doesn't get elected, will there be some mass suicide pact among Obamaniacs? I mean, if you're going to be a cult might as well go all the way.

Some of you people are even adopting his middle name. Get over yourselves, he's a politician like anybody else, not some Messiah!

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/lolwut1.jpg

[Peguy]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/lolwut1.jpg

Yeah I know, I really wish I could make this shit up:
Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29hussein.html?ex=1372392000&en=d83a053f96dd6ccd&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)

[heart]

Since we're derailing already here, what do others think of this Obama's birth certificate conspiracy thing?

[sassafrassquatch]

Yeah I know, I really wish I could make this shit up:
Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29hussein.html?ex=1372392000&en=d83a053f96dd6ccd&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)

The whole point of what they did went right over your head. It's a response to the "ZOMG Obama is a seekrit mooslimb WTFLOL!!1" bullshit.

[Brendan]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?
No. John F. Kennedy was a poster boy for expression of bold Democratic thought. Barack Obama is the poster boy of poster boys.

[Peguy]

Since we're derailing already here, what do others think of this Obama's birth certificate conspiracy thing?

It's completely bunk. Obama is a legal citizen of the US.

[Peguy]

The whole point of what they did went right over your head. It's a response to the "ZOMG Obama is a seekrit mooslimb WTFLOL!!1" bullshit.

So respond to asinine anti-Obama gimmicks with their own more asinine pro-Obama gimmicks? Yes I must confess my inability to comprehend the logic of that; it's way over my feeble mind.

[TrueHeart]

So if Obama doesn't get elected, will there be some mass suicide pact among Obamaniacs?
The aftermath of his loss will indeed be fascinating.

[sassafrassquatch]

The aftermath of his loss will indeed be fascinating.

I really can't see him losing. But then I couldn't see Bush getting reelected so what do I know? Never bet against American stupidity.

[Jack Flak]

It's completely bunk. Obama is a legal citizen of the US.
Of course he's a citizen, but the data (unless it was falsified) seemed to support his ineligibility according to the Constitution by a thin, odd margin. I wouldn't worry about it if you're Pro-Bama, because I doubt they would let him get elected only to tell him at inauguration that he's ineligible.

[pure_mercury]

I find Michelle Obama very unattractive. And her husband's policies even less so.

[AllAboutSoul]

Obama to McCain -

"Bring it"

[pure_mercury]

Obama to McCain -

"Bring it"

I think McCain will bring it. He is a dark, scary man, and GOP presidential candidates can really unload on the opposition.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

I find Michelle Obama very unattractive. And her husband's policies even less so.

Between her and Cindy McCain, I actually find Michelle to be the more attractive of the two. Not that any of this matters, heh. :)

[TrueHeart]

I really can't see him losing. But then I couldn't see Bush getting reelected so what do I know? Never bet against American stupidity.
Most of the polls lately (not that even I trust polls very much, but still...) have Obama and McCain in a dead heat. And that's with every mainstream-media outlet populated with Democrats orgasmic over Obama. But he can't win with just Democrats, even if every Democrat will vote for him.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

Absolutely NOT.

Obama's not a smarmy philanderer like JFK and he's also much smarter.

Michelle Obama is much better educated and smarter than Jackie Kennedy; she's not just a pretty face.

The Obama family is NOTHING like the Kennedys! How can this comparison even be raised?! The Kennedys were/are blue-blood Boston Brahmins and the Obamas come from very average (financial) backgrounds... they're largely self-made within Barack's generation....

Also, the Obamas are not the Kennedys for another reason... they haven't established a dynasty... if Obamas daughters go into politics, and one of his cousins becomes a senator, and a nephew becomes a Democratic candidate for president in a decade or two, then we can start drawing meaningful comparisons.

Whatever... the Obamas have very little in common with the Kennedys...

[Lateralus]

Obama's not a smarmy philanderer like JFK and he's also much smarter.
I'd rather have a philanderer in office than someone who hates this country. I'm not saying he necessarily does, but given his associations, it's a valid question to raise.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

On paper he is actually more like Lincoln. Lincoln was an Illinois congressman known for fantastic oration skills, and had just served 8 years in the state senate and a couple years in the House. Also black people love him. :)

[Peguy]

Also black people love him. :)

That would be expected now wouldn't it? Of course whether or not Obama truely represents Black Americans is another story. I think one associate of his even admitted Obama is insecure about how "Black" he really is.

Of course, getting back to Lincoln - yeah I guess Blacks loved him, but he didn't really love them. Lincoln originally wanted to free the slaves just so they could be all sent back to Africa.

[pure_mercury]

On paper he is actually more like Lincoln. Lincoln was an Illinois congressman known for fantastic oration skills, and had just served 8 years in the state senate and a couple years in the House. Also black people love him. :)

Lincoln didn't love black people back very much, though.

EDIT: Peguy got to it first.

[EJCC]

There are elements of the Kennedy family in there - Barack's youth and idealism, Michelle's sky-high hair and excellent sense of style... but for the most part they're their own family. Everybody reminds people of everybody at some point. Plus, let's keep in mind that every president has different issues to deal with. That's why it bugs me when people say "We are the party of Lincoln" or BS like that, because political parties are defined by issues of the time, and if we go back to 100 years (or more) ago, America's issues are entirely different.

With regard to Kennedy's philandering, plenty of presidents have been like that and not done a terrible job in office. There isn't necessarily a correlation. (i.e. I halfway agree with Lateralus, except that I don't believe that John McCain hates America. I think he's just a confused, misled man.)

[Enyo]

I'd rather have a philanderer in office than someone who hates this country. I'm not saying he necessarily does, but given his associations, it's a valid question to raise.

I think I love you.

Really and truly, I don't care who my president screws, as long as it's not my country. I don't care if my president lies about sex. It's human nature to lie about sex. I'd be more concerned if my president shared his favorite sexual positions with us than I would be if he lied about boffing an intern.

I'm more concerned with our would-be president hanging out with people who end sermons with "God damn America."

[Jack Flak]

You said it, right there. Both of you.

[Lateralus]

(i.e. I halfway agree with Lateralus, except that I don't believe that John McCain hates America. I think he's just a confused, misled man.)
Haha, what? I don't think McCain hates America, at all. I was talking about Obama. He consorts with people like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

[Enyo]

Haha, what? I don't think McCain hates America, at all. I was talking about Obama. He consorts with people like Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

Obama's friends trouble me as much as his fantasies.

As a person, I have a great respect for McCain. The man is a war hero, after all. I have a hard time doubting his patriotism.

I think that McCain loves America for what it was and what he grew up with. (Strong military tradition.) I think Obama loves America for what he can envision it becoming.

Neither really have a strong basis in the here and now, but such is.

[Not_Me]

There are more important issues to consider than whether a candidate loves or hates
America Ferrera.

[Enyo]

There are more important issues to consider than whether a candidate loves or hates
America Ferrera.

Please tell me that was a FAIL attempt at humor?

[Not_Me]

If political jokes offend you so much, why do you keep electing them into public office?

[pure_mercury]

There are elements of the Kennedy family in there - Barack's youth and idealism, Michelle's sky-high hair and excellent sense of style... but for the most part they're their own family. Everybody reminds people of everybody at some point. Plus, let's keep in mind that every president has different issues to deal with. That's why it bugs me when people say "We are the party of Lincoln" or BS like that, because political parties are defined by issues of the time, and if we go back to 100 years (or more) ago, America's issues are entirely different.

I have to disagree a little here. The Republicans have always been the party of Big Business, including Lincoln. Things are not the same, but some elements of the two major parties endure.

[Peguy]

If political jokes offend you so much, why do you keep electing them into public office?

I sincerely doubt Canadian politicians are that much better. I watch CBC every now and then.

Now maybe if you people decided to elect Red Green.

[Not_Me]

I sincerely doubt Canadian politicians are that much better. I watch CBC every now and then.

Canadians are known for their sense of humor.


Now maybe if you people decided to elect Red Green.

His name says it all. He's a tree hugging communist.

[Not_Me]

Please tell me that was a FAIL attempt at humor?

No. There actually ARE more important issues.

[Hmm]

I'd rather have a philanderer in office than someone who hates this country....

Me too.

[EJCC]

I have to disagree a little here. The Republicans have always been the party of Big Business, including Lincoln. Things are not the same, but some elements of the two major parties endure.

Right, SOME elements. Keep in mind that the Republican party hasn't always been the party of ultraconservative religion (see William Jennings Bryan), as it is now. Parties evolve.

Of course, you raise an excellent point. I don't know about ALWAYS, but the Republican party has, for a long time, been the party of big business, just like the Democratic party has long been the party of the unions, and the middle class. Of course, Dem membership in that area has been dwindling recently (I recommend "What's the Matter with Kansas?" for more details on the new membership of the Republican party).

[pure_mercury]

Right, SOME elements. Keep in mind that the Republican party hasn't always been the party of ultraconservative religion (see William Jennings Bryan), as it is now. Parties evolve.

Of course, you raise an excellent point. I don't know about ALWAYS, but the Republican party has, for a long time, been the party of big business, just like the Democratic party has long been the party of the unions, and the middle class. Of course, Dem membership in that area has been dwindling recently (I recommend "What's the Matter with Kansas?" for more details on the new membership of the Republican party).

I'm familiar with that book. :) Interesting stuff about the voting trends of the demographics, but it makes a crucial error in its initial assumption: that the Democratic Party somehow would be more representative of the interests of the rural poor and the Midwestern working working class than would the Republican Party. It's fairly obvious at this point in this history that neither party actually is. "The matter with Kansas" is that there are not many serious policy differences between the major parties, so culturally conservative heartland-types respond to a party that appeals (read: panders) to that base.

[Peguy]

His name says it all. He's a tree hugging communist.

LOL what?

[C.J.Woolf]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?
1. Definitely. Barack Obama is inspiring people, and he delivers a good speech.

2. No. Michelle Obama is no trophy wife; she's better than that.

3. Never gave it any thought. Their kids are damn cute, though.

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Republicans project. Always. Whatever they accuse Democrats of doing, they are either doing it themselves or they intend to. Their man McCain would be an undistinguished former naval aviator without a prayer of getting elected to the Senate, much less the presidency, if he wasn't a celebrity ex-POW.

Yeah I know, I really wish I could make this shit up:
Obama Supporters Take His Middle Name as Their Own - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29hussein.html?ex=1372392000&en=d83a053f96dd6ccd&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)
It's a JOKE, son! Funny, that is! </FoghornLeghorn>

C.J. Hussein Woolf ;)

[Peguy]

Republicans project. Always. Whatever they accuse Democrats of doing, they are either doing it themselves or they intend to.

Democrats do that as well.

[Peguy]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/cult.gif

Yes it must be a real accomplishment to outdo the Republicans at their own game of chronic sexual arousal at the charisma of their "Great leader". Give yourselves a round of handjobs in celebration - you deserve it!

[millerm277]

Republicans project. Always. Whatever they accuse Democrats of doing, they are either doing it themselves or they intend to. Their man McCain would be an undistinguished former naval aviator without a prayer of getting elected to the Senate, much less the presidency, if he wasn't a celebrity ex-POW.

He got his ass shot down over a foreign country, and was held in inhumane conditions for 5 years. That sounds like it sucked, but I still don't get what about that is "heroic", or matters at all. Maybe if he'd tried to escape or something...

[phoenix13]

He got his ass shot down over a foreign country, and was held in inhumane conditions for 5 years. That sounds like it sucked, but I still don't get what about that is "heroic", or matters at all. Maybe if he'd tried to escape or something...

I'm not a McCain supporter, but here's the deal: He's the son of an admiral, and when his captors found out, they offered to free him. He refused to go until the dudes who were caught before him were released (which took 5 years). I think I read that in the Economist if you want to look it up.

[Enyo]

He got his ass shot down over a foreign country, and was held in inhumane conditions for 5 years. That sounds like it sucked, but I still don't get what about that is "heroic", or matters at all. Maybe if he'd tried to escape or something...

What makes it heroic is the fact that he didn't cave. The Viet Kong were fans of psychological warfare for their prisoners. Keep hammering at you until you say on a loudspeaker where your fellow soldiers (and prisoners) can hear you say that America sucks, etc, and they'll let you go.

The side effect being if you cave and do it, you hate yourself for your weakness after they let you go.

[Enyo]

I'm not a McCain supporter, but here's the deal: He's the son of an admiral, and when his captors found out, they offered to free him. He refused to go until the dudes who were caught before him were released (which took 5 years). I think I read that in the Economist if you want to look it up.

That was part of it. When he refused, his treatment wasn't exactly kind.

[Jack Flak]

Angry rant warning: I wonder how long Obama would last under the screws? Hell, now that I think about it, he already hates America, no problem.

[Enyo]

Angry rant warning: I wonder how long Obama would last under the screws? Hell, now that I think about it, he already hates America, no problem.

Caveat: I'm not an Obama supporter. I have no clue who to vote for, because they're either too financially liberal for me or too socially conservative for me.

That being said, I don't think that Obama loves America in its current state. He sees to many problems, and he has, in his own mind, come up with the solutions to those problems through more government interference.

He loves the America of his vision. He loves the potential and what it could be in his view of a perfect world.

[Peguy]

If you look at Obama closely, he's not really Anti-American, but rather Post-American.

[Little Linguist]

Let's not be prejudiced against the candidates now....We need to be FAIR and JUST to both. So you need to make a statement that APPLIES to both:

"He's a FART!"

Okay, sorry for that little outburst - pray, carry on.... :D

[Peguy]

Let's not be prejudiced against the candidates now....We need to be FAIR and JUST to both. So you need to make a statement that APPLIES to both:

"He's a FART!"

Okay, sorry for that little outburst - pray, carry on.... :D

LOL I could just imagine that being a major issues during the debates: which candidate has the best quality farts? Of course we know Obama will bragg about the slightly more sweet popery smell of his farts, and McCain will excuse his smell as a legacy of his days in a POW camp.

All the while Obama-maniacs will be screaming about they got a slight whiff of their candidate's bean-burrito lunch, and how such an amazing miraculous event that was. And as a result, they'll all start eating the exact same kind of bean-burrito from Taco Bell as a symbolic jesture of unified support for their man.

Ahhhh politics at its best!

[kuranes]

Since we're derailing already here, what do others think of this Obama's birth certificate conspiracy thing?

The rock group Heart's core is two women who say they are taking legal action against the Republican party because they used the song "Barracuda" without their express permission. The Republican Party said that they had received permission in advance through official channels that apparently the ladies weren't aware of. Another member of the rock group said that he took the money from it that came to him ( through back channels, apparently ) and donated it to the Obama campaign.

So the Republican party is supporting Obama due to Heart.:cheese:
I'm still researching this birth certificate thing.....

[htb]

So the Republican party is supporting Obama due to Heart.Moral of the story: own the rights to a Billboard hit.

[anii]

Does Barack Obama remind you of JFK?

Yes, in that they were both the "first" of their kind to overcome stereotypes and get elected. Well, at least Kennedy was; here's hoping Obama is too.

Does Michelle Obama remind you of Jackie Kennedy?

No, Jackie O was a traditional, demure First Lady and if her husband is elected, Michelle O will be more of a partner/consultant. Like Hillary was.

Does the Obama family remind you of the Kennedy family?

Not so much.

[Anja]

I read somewhere this week that "Barracuda" was distributed by ASCAP and was for that technicality considered okay for them to adopt.

Actually I think Ann and Nancy should let Palin use it.

"If the real thing don't do the trick
You'd better make up something quick. . ."

Good grief. What was that woman thinking?

[Antisocial one]

I am not from the US but I must ask you something.

What are the odds that Obama will not survive campaign or the presidency?

Many people outside of the US think that Obama is a deadman.
I am talking about the assassination here, if it isn't obvious.

[Antisocial one]

I am not looking analysis that is big or complex.
3 sentences will be more then enough.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

There is a fair chance that regardless of who we elect, they won't make it through their first term. Is that what you are looking for?

[Fiver]

Michelle O will be more of a partner/consultant. Like Hillary was.

That's it! I'm moving to Canada.:run: