Extraversion and Talkativeness

[arcticangel02]

On first impressions, one generally assumes that the Extraverts of the world are the talkative socialisers, while the Introverts are quiet listeners.

What I am interested in is situations/cases when that is not the case. Are talkativeness and extraversion necessarily related? Or is perhaps talkativeness affected by another dichotomy other than E/I? Is it possible/normal to have an extravert quieter than an introvert? Is it just a temporary thing? How would one tell the difference? What other factors might come into play?

And so on. Discuss!

[animenagai]

if you do step II, they'll split up the E vs I into 5 parts. only one of them is expressiveness and only in that do they mention the word 'talk'. the other parts are active, gregarious, initiating and enthusiastic. you can do a lot of that without talking your ass off. sure, you'll need to talk, but not necessarily as much as one may think an extravert does. my father is an INTP, an introvert. he has a high score on the E side on expressiveness despite this inclination. during conferences and whatnot, he's always talking. hope this answers your question.

[The_Liquid_Laser]

I don't talk very much for an extravert. My introverted wife talks more than I do as a whole. Having said that though I do think there is a correlation between extraversion and talkativeness.

[Lauren Ashley]

I can talk all day if the subject interests me. I think introverts are more reticent at first, but once they feel comfortable, some can be as talkative as extroverts.

[sade]

I've never done the step II, maybe I should..

Talkativeness & expressiveness doesn't really always correspond with E/I. It's more about how comfy you are with people and do you prefer time alone or time around people. And the stuff the animenagai mentioned. I'm pretty talkative and expressive but definitely an I, the talkativeness comes out once the group is small enough and I'm comfy. Then I tend to talk more than the E types. But there is some correlation in my humble opinion anyways.

[arcticangel02]

Might how comfy you feel around people in general have more to do with social anxiety than I/E? A mature Introvert would not necessarily feel uncomfortable in a large group/crowd, would they?

Might one describe an extravert as someone you find interacting and engaging with other people, even when in an uncomfortable situation, while Introverts tend to reserve their talkativeness for situations that are familiar and comfortable?

[disregard]

Extraverts are just oriented to the objective world.

Introverts are oriented to their inner world.

[sade]

Might how comfy you feel around people in general have more to do with social anxiety than I/E? A mature Introvert would not necessarily feel uncomfortable in a large group/crowd, would they?
Not necessarily uncomfortable, nope, but still more withdrawn. Large crowds draw more energy especially if you need to socialize. I think I used the wrong word here, my bad. Maybe I should say doesn't like or prefer?
Social anxiety is more a fear based tihng so I'm thinking sure it can make you feel uncomrtable, but I think it's more of an anxiety issue. Uncomfortable feeling can come from various things.
Might one describe an extravert as someone you find interacting and engaging with other people, even when in an uncomfortable situation, while Introverts tend to reserve their talkativeness for situations that are familiar and comfortable?
My ENTP friend pushes me into action when she uncomfy, she shuts up and I handle the talking. I think that's a personality thing..

I'm going to use her and me as an example. She enjoys people and being around people, but doesn't talk much. But when she talks she is more open, gregarious, doesn't focus on the company and expressive all in all, still but quiet and short answers. Me? I talk a lot but I don't express myself much, I don't start the conversations and will divert the attention if it comes to something personal. I'm probably talking about something impersonal or something taht is just blabber in my opinion.

Extroverts may talk more as a whole, but I think you can't recognize an E type by the amount of talk, I think it's more about how we talk..

I think Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTI_Step_II)might explain it better than I can.
Extraverting: Initiating, Expressive, Gregarious, Active, Enthusiastic
Introverting: Receiving, Contained, Intimate, Reflective, Quiet

[LucrativeSid]

Most people, even introverts, say that they can talk a lot if they are talking about something that interests them. I am like that. Maybe the difference between me and the average introvert is that I proactively talk about things that interest me instead of just waiting for them to pop into the conversation. If the conversation doesn't interest me, I will take control and try to make it fun for everyone, and if they don't have any interest after multiple attempts, then I'll just shut up. I'm not pushy about it. If I think people are not interested, I won't bother them. I'm pretty focused, so once I start, it's hard to stop me. But I never just talk to random people about insignificant things. In that sense, I'm not talkative at all. I don't talk just for the sake of talking, I think that is annoying.

I've always thought INTJs talk a lot.

[Jack Flak]

ENTPs aren't talkers. They're doers. And INTPs are thinkers.

[mlittrell]

an introverts "battery" is charged by being alone etc etc whereas an extraverts "battery" is charged by being out and about and social etc etc

[raindancing]

If something interests me I can talk must as much as any extrovert.
Something that interests me normally means someone that has engaged and then seemed receptive (this is important) to my Ne. This seems much more likely to happen when there are fewer people, in groups I tend to withdraw into myself.

My husband (INTP) doesn't talk near as much as me, even in those situations. He does talk a lot with me (very fun Ne back and forth conversations), but I haven't seen him do this with anyone else.

I have noticed that getting tipsy makes both of us more talkative and seems to engage our Ne.

Sometimes we will watch a movie while having some brandy and my (and his) Ne can really go into overdrive. I have to have the remote handy because something in the movie will trigger some thought, I'll pause it, tell him, and we'll sit there excitedly going off on tangents until we remember we're supposed to be watching something, push play... and then the cycle repeats.
The conversations are always way more fun than the movie. :D

Another example of an introvert talking a lot is my mother-in-law.
I think she's an ISFJ, and she can talk and talk and talk...at least to me and my husband. She's the sort that if you call her on the phone, you know it's not going to be a short phone call. She absolutely does not realize this about herself though, and would be quite mortified if anyone mentioned it to her! (Probably because she always complains about this in her mother :laugh:)

[Didums]

Generally, yes, more extraverts are going to be talkative given that they are fueled by the external. However, that doesn't mean that an introvert (that is fueled by the internal) is not going to talk alot, the ideas and thoughts and observations made by the introvert need to be expressed or they are worthless.

As a general rule, introverts listen more while extraverts talk more.

[Xander]

Talkative times..
When it interests me..
When I'm getting good feedback..
Around friends..
Around friendly people..
Around dogs... (don't ask)

Not talkative times..
In negative atmospheres..
When confused..
When really thinking...
Just after work..
First thing in the morning and last thing at night..

(I think that about covers it)

I'd suggest that how "chatty" you are also relates to your self confidence.

[Mondo]

I would say that I am capable of being very talkative.
Thoughts come to me quickly and I don't have a problem with large groups- in fact, it makes things less personal which I'm often more comfortable with- as long as I'm not with uber-assertive people, I can play my role in social situations.

However, something that stops me from doing so often is a deep social anxiety. I don't think, "Oh crap, I have nothing to say to this person.".. I think, "Should I say it? I don't want this person to dislike me for something I didn't bring upon him or her deliberately.. damn it, I'm so awkward and weird around everyone. I need to think of a good way to mitigate my response..."

[substitute]

Well, I know an ESFP who is quite taciturn... who'd have thought it eh? He's in his 60's now, though a very young sort since he never had kids and kept very fit, he's fitter than I am at half his age, he does a lot of socializing, he's always busy busy busy, has zillions of friends and yet... yet... he never really talks to any of them! Very odd...

I know an INTP though, who never shuts the fuck up. I mean he literally NEVER shuts up. He's a total bore as well. Just rambles on and on about his pet subject (geology, like anyone relates!!). And he always talks in big long words and fancy phrases - not that I've anything against a good vocabulary you understand, it's just that he talks as if he's reading from a fantasy novel if you know what I mean? Like someone says "dude, this sauce is ace!" and I say "yeah it's not too sweet like the other brand" and he'll say "yes, I adore the way it unfolds upon the tongue like a bud opening to the touch of a bee's kiss in June" or something.

I also know an ISTJ who totally dominates all roleplaying games and doesn't let anyone else talk, ever.

There was a long phase in my life during which I didn't say much, mainly because my social skills were for shit and I didn't know how to get along in a group so I just stayed quiet since usually when I said anything it was wrong. To this day I often sorta set myself a mission before a particular social encounter, to keep my mouth shut and say as little as possible. It's harder now though, gets harder and harder as time goes on... the drive to externalize, the things that come into my head, the questions that I NEED to ask... if I'm in a situation where there are people around and for some reason talking is not permitted or just talking BY ME is either not permitted or just not advisable (like I don't have anything to add, they're talking about shit I don't relate to) I leave the place feeling exceedingly bottled up, frustrated and just soooo down. The only antidote is to invite my ISTP friend around and over a few beers we'll talk and rant and laugh and check stuff out [details deleted lol] and by 3am I feel soooo much better!

Although I'm very talkative, I HATE monologuing. Hate it, passionately. I only talk because I want the other person to talk back. I love conversations. I don't just love the sound of my own voice and I'm not trying to get attention or impress people like these guys do. I talk because I want to hear YOU talk back, I'm interested in you.

[sciski]

and he'll say "yes, I adore the way it unfolds upon the tongue like a bud opening to the touch of a bee's kiss in June" or something.

But... but that's awesome!

[substitute]

But... but that's awesome!

No it's awesome done tongue in cheek or just now and again, but when someone talks like that all the time and there are definite hints of 'praise me for my large vocabulary' or perhaps 'I never got out of character again at the end of the last LRP festival', it's just bloody annoying.

[sciski]

Kung fu is the answer. *nods sagely*

[LadyJaye]

Kung fu is the answer. *nods sagely*

YES! Kung fu is the answer! Finally, someone else agrees with me.

:cheese:

[OneWithSoul]

Extroverts tend to be more personal when talking..or that after, say, five minutes of talking to them after you've met them you know that they have two kids, are working 3 jobs, their dog died yesterday, and that they just got over the flu..and I'm not saying all extroverts do this, but this is a black and white definition between introverts, and extroverts...just take Jerry Seinfeld for instance..very strong introvert, really, but he was a stand-up comedian that could talk and talk..so it's not how much you talk, necessarily, (although it does play a part), but what you choose to talk about..