INTP - The Critic?

[Cypocalypse]

I've seen many web articles describing the INTP as the 'Architect'. Sometimes, the 'Thinker'.

I find 'Architect' to be inaccurate. If that meant a literal Architect, then that doesn't make a good fit. Too much sensory skills needed, and the thinking function that's required is more Te than Ti.

Do you think Critic is more accurate?

[Haphazard]

Yes, if personal experience applies.

[Jack Flak]

Nah. I haven't in a while, but I used to draw schematics for fun, designing structures and objects.

[Uberfuhrer]

The socionics INTp is referred to as "The Critic." But socionics INTp is correlated with INTJ.

[disregard]

Architect implies building.. which seems more Ti.

Critiquing/Cricticising is more Te.. working with what already exists.

[Jack Flak]

The socionics INTp is referred to as "The Critic." But socionics INTp is correlated with INTJ.
Well I'm INTP and INTp (Though as far as their descriptions go, half INTp half INTj), and last I checked they called INTp "Observers."

[Uberfuhrer]

Ti is the internal analysis of ideas or data.

Te is the active structuring and controlling of the external world.

Well I'm INTP and INTp (Though as far as their descriptions go, half INTp half INTj), and last I checked they called INTp "Observers."

Oh damn, you are right. Yes, the INTj is either called "The Critic" or "The Analyst" and the INTp is "The Observer."

[Athenian200]

I've seen many web articles describing the INTP as the 'Architect'. Sometimes, the 'Thinker'.

I find 'Architect' to be inaccurate. If that meant a literal Architect, then that doesn't make a good fit. Too much sensory skills needed, and the thinking function that's required is more Te than Ti.

Do you think Critic is more accurate?

Ti is the nitpicking function. Yes, definitely.

I think architect was meant in the sense of systems rather than real things, and it isn't that good a description, because they don't so much "build" systems as uncover systems through critical analysis, if I understand Ti correctly (which I may not).

[htb]

INTP - The Layabout/Genius.

Seriously speaking, INTPs are exceptional with any kind of architecture (technical, systems, data, etcetera).

[mippus]

The deconstructor? ;)

[Xander]

My father told me that INTP is the 'definer'.

If you look at most "arguements" with INTPs involved it's a common habit to try to define things correctly. Sort of ensuring the basis for conversation is correct before engaging in the actual subject being discussed.

[InaF3157]

The deconstructor? ;)

I think this is going in the right direction, at least to the type of critic that INTPs would be.

[Nocapszy]

I find 'Architect' to be inaccurate. If that meant a literal Architect, then that doesn't make a good fit. Too much sensory skills needed, and the thinking function that's required is more Te than Ti.

All people sense, intuitors included, and Te and Ti are the same mechanism.

[Cypocalypse]

Hmmm....

In my opinion:

Analysis - Ti (deconstructor). Yeah, the nitpicking function.

Synthesis - Te

In my opinion, INTPs could be better critics than the TJ because of the former's flexible P function which needs to be adaptive in criticizing various forms of art (film, etc.) or system. Not everything should be judged the same.

TJs tend to apply a universal objective elaborate guideline to everything.

[entropie]

INTP - The Pigeon Breeder

As supposed to "the nice guy from next door with that twitching eyebrow"

xDD

[Priam]

I'm gonna point out that Ti is certainly about precision, but it's also about The Truth in the largest sense of the word. The pursuit of this Truth generally involves the intellectual building of complex models and algorithms to encompass and express said vast idea. Indeed, the model needed to complete the logical processing and honing can (and usually does) end up being more complicated than the idea itself. Ti Ne used appropriately is about distilling concepts out of the ether, purifying and testing them intellectually, then deriving more knowledge from them. It can be used as a knife, slicing up flawed arguments and propositions, but is primarily used in creation and (where critique comes in) distillation.

[colmena]

^Yes!

Now put it into an 'er word.

[sandwich]

The deconstructor? ;)

I hate that word. I'd rather be a Critic.

[01011010]

INTP - The Pigeon Breeder

As supposed to "the nice guy from next door with that twitching eyebrow"

xDD

ha ha ha

One of my closest friends is an INTP. Sometimes, we do a group chat with some of our mutual friends and she picks on their grammar. I notice, but don't bother saying anything because it's not something the people being corrected will realistically change. Why bother? My friend doesn't care though. Wrong is wrong, to her.

[Xander]

I'm gonna point out that Ti is certainly about precision, but it's also about The Truth in the largest sense of the word. The pursuit of this Truth generally involves the intellectual building of complex models and algorithms to encompass and express said vast idea. Indeed, the model needed to complete the logical processing and honing can (and usually does) end up being more complicated than the idea itself. Ti Ne used appropriately is about distilling concepts out of the ether, purifying and testing them intellectually, then deriving more knowledge from them. It can be used as a knife, slicing up flawed arguments and propositions, but is primarily used in creation and (where critique comes in) distillation.
Nice definition... *cough*

[Nocapszy]

Hmmm....

In my opinion: Well there's the problem. Typology doesn't employ opinion.


Analysis - Ti (deconstructor). Yeah, the nitpicking function.

Synthesis - Te Te nitpicks too. Nitpicks for different reasons, but they're still the same mechanism.


In my opinion, INTPs could be better critics than the TJ because of the former's flexible P function which needs to be adaptive in criticizing various forms of art (film, etc.) or system. Not everything should be judged the same. You're right to point to the perceiving function. Having a good strong idea of what's happening in the _whatever is to be criticized_ gives INTP the upper hand in analysis, hence criticism.


TJs tend to apply a universal objective elaborate guideline to everything.True. Again though, you're referencing the perceiving function. Their ideal impression of what should be happening is the only criteria they use in criticism.

It's why often E_TJs appear to be less logical, and more arbitrary in their analysis, than even E_TPs despite being logic dominant, and that Te is just as good an analyzer as the introverted version of itself.

[Edahn]

I haven't really met too many INTPs, and I'm not sure what I am anymore, although I think XNTP is pretty close. I would totally agree with that you said, and in fact, started a similar thread at INTPc called "Essence of INTP" or something to that effect advocating the same idea.

I'm very critical of myself and of others, which is a quality that tends to come in tandem. The relentless thinking of alternatives combined with a genetic desire for improvement and expansion make me constantly think about what I'm missing, rather than what I have. Working with that voice is exactly where I'm at in my personal "journey."

[Tallulah]

I'm naturally critical, mostly of myself, and I think it does come from the INTP mentality of trying to look at something from all sides and fix what doesn't work. I think we're natural troubleshooters. I don't know that we make the best critics, though, because being a good critic (in the sense of critiquing something meaningfully in detail) requires much more detail-orientation and putting abstract concepts into accessible language, which I can do, but is not my strong suit. I feel like I can never really explain the intuitive understanding of things that I have inside my head.

I remember having to write critical essays for literature classes in grad school, and it was extremely difficult for me to explain things in sufficient detail. I'd point out the major concept and show the evidence from the text to back it up, and then feel it was so obvious that it didn't need more than a sentence or two to show the connection. I'm much better at detecting than explaining, and I think you need both skills to be a truly effective critic. I think INTPs CAN learn to be good critics, but I wouldn't claim the label as definitive.