Who sucks?

[pure_mercury]

Which artists (with some modicum of critical acclaim) actually suck? Directors, authors, graphic artists, whatever? Who is completely overrated? Which creative emperors have no clothes?

First nominee, for Egregious Overratedness: My Bloody Valentine. Cool sounds, no songs to speak of, not a great example of the shoegazer aesthetic.

[Ivy]

I'll probably get creamed for this but I am not impressed by Neil Gaiman.

[Thursday]

I'll probably get creamed for this but I am not impressed by Neil Gaiman.

LOL
50 cent = half-assed rapper
along with most of them,today

most top 40 artists
R&B and rap sucks right now
and jazz/rock are so watered down that they could give a handle of it to toddlers

[Ivy]

Milton

[Orangey]

I think Steven Spielberg is totally overrated.

[Jack Flak]

Whoever was responsible for The Usual Suspects: Most Overrated Movie of All Time.

[Thursday]

I think Steven Spielberg is totally overrated.

How could i forget ?
Go head, Orangey

[pure_mercury]

Whoever was responsible for The Usual Suspects: Most Overrated Movie of All Time.

That was written by Christopher McQuarrie, and directed by Bryan Singer. I happened to like that film. How about A Beautiful Mind and Saving Private Ryan for ludicrously overrated films of the past ten years?

EDIT: Gladiator is one of the worst Best Picture Oscar winners in history. And I like Ridley Scott.

[Thursday]

That was written by Christopher McQuarrie, and directed by Bryan Singer. I happened to like that film. How about A Beautiful Mind and Saving Private Ryan for ludicrously overrated films of the past ten years?

and Antoine Fisher - Roots
If you didn't know, i'm your resident black basher

[Jack Flak]

That was written by Christopher McQuarrie, and directed by Bryan Singer. I happened to like that film. How about A Beautiful Mind and Saving Private Ryan for ludicrously overrated films of the past ten years?

EDIT: Gladiator is one of the worst Best Picture Oscar winners in history. And I like Ridley Scott.
I agree with Gladiator, it was lame. I liked a Beautiful Mind and Saving Private Ryan quite a bit.

[pure_mercury]

and Antoine Fisher - Roots
If you didn't know, i'm your resident black basher

Wow, you're OD'ing on the Haterade, my man. I bet you hated The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer and Homeboys in Outer Space, too!

[Thursday]

Wow, you're OD'ing on the Haterade, my man. I bet you hated The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer and Homeboys in Outer Space, too!

Never had the pleasure

[sassafrassquatch]

I think Steven Spielberg is totally overrated.

For Munich he can lick my sweaty nut sack.

[Beat]

Spielberg made 'Saving Private Ryan' therefore no amount of praise could deem him overrated.

[Magic Poriferan]

Trent Reznor and Kurt Cobain.

There will be plenty more to come, of all mediums, once I start really thinking about it.



EDIT: in since you were all talking about best picture winners, I've already thought of one.
Chicago. That fucking movie did not deserve the awards.

[Tallulah]

Agreed on Kurt Cobain.

Woody Allen.

[sassafrassquatch]

KISS is way over rated. Once I got around to listening to their music (which sucks (mostly)) it didn't seem to match up with their look at all.

Edit: Oh, and the Beatles suck. John Lennon sucks exponentially more than the Beatles collective suckiness.

[Thursday]

KISS is way over rated. Once I got around to listening to their music (which sucks (mostly)) it didn't seem to match up with their look at all.

Edit: Oh, and the Beatles suck. John Lennon sucks exponentially more than the Beatles collective suckiness.

LMAO
if i drank beer, i would be spitting it over my illegitimates right now

[Tallulah]

Edit: Oh, and the Beatles suck. John Lennon sucks exponentially more than the Beatles collective suckiness.

I like the Beatles, and Lennon's okay, but Paul McCartney blows.

[Thursday]

I like the Beatles, and Lennon's okay, but Paul McCartney blows.

yeah
thats more like it
Kanye West-with the exception of 5 songs he has, blah

[Tallulah]

Thought of another. The Carpenters. Ick. They make my teeth itch.

[Thursday]

Thought of another. The Carpenters. Ick. They make my teeth itch.

aww
rainy days and mondays, tallulah
rainy days and mondays

they had about 5 good songs

[Tallulah]

aww
rainy days and mondays, tallulah
rainy days and mondays

they had about 5 good songs

Eh. There's something about Karen Carpenter's voice that just grates. I know everyone else in the world raves about it, though. I do wonder if I'd like it more if she were singing better, and less cheesy, songs.

[Thursday]

Eh. There's something about Karen Carpenter's voice that just grates. I know everyone else in the world raves about it, though. I do wonder if I'd like it more if she were singing better, and less cheesy, songs.

could be.
I know that the new version of Mary J. Blidge makes me want to throw up
that and beyonce

[sassafrassquatch]

Star Wars IV, V & VI suck (unfucked original version, Lucas' CGI bukkake edit doesn't exist in my reality).

IV: Low budget crap, cheap-ass looking dull plastic helmet Vader, whiny Luke.

V: Doesn't actually suck it self (*snerrrk*, heh heh...) but because it's good it makes me depressed that the other five films suck ass.

VI: Motherfucking Ewoks.

[Thursday]

me

[Tallulah]

could be.
I know that the new version of Mary J. Blidge makes me want to throw up
that and beyonce

Oh, heck yeah, Beyonce. I think she's gorgeous and charismatic, and she can dance up a storm, but her vibrato and the unnecessary runs drive me nuts.

FM will kill me for this: John Belushi. I think he's made me laugh exactly twice.

[Thursday]

Oh, heck yeah, Beyonce. I think she's gorgeous and charismatic, and she can dance up a storm, but her vibrato and the unnecessary runs drive me nuts.

FM will kill me for this: John Belushi. I think he's made me laugh exactly twice.

denzel washington
he plays the same person in every movie

[Colors]

The Alchemist by Pablo Coelho

Good Will Hunting

Napoleon Dynamite- 3 minutes of funny dancing does not a good movie makes

Spirited Away- bowl of suck. Pretty yes, Miyazaki has done so much better... only looks good in comparison to....

Howl's Moving Castle(the movie)- and it used to be a good book from one of my favorite authors too!

Romeo & Juliet- (the play) cause teenage over-melodramatic infutuation is deep and meaningful and the greatest love story of all time and stuff

[Thursday]

we are on a roll
SNL

[Magic Poriferan]

Oh, oh, this is important!

Quentin Tarantino!

[Thursday]

Oh, oh, this is important!

Quentin Tarantino!

LOL
I cannot stand dennis quaid

[Orangey]

EDIT: in since you were all talking about best picture winners, I've already thought of one.
Chicago. That fucking movie did not deserve the awards.

OMG yes, I HATE HATE HATE Chicago.

[Thursday]

speaking of plays - rent
cats
and the list goes on

[Orangey]

Let's see...I hate:

My Chemical Romance

The Jonas Boys/Brothers/whatever the hell they're called...I want to gouge my own eyes out every time I see a poster with their faces all over the store.

The Devil Wears Prada. Preachy and it contradicts itself. Meryl Streep SO did not deserve best supporting actress for this one.

I know I've got more...will be back.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

I find myself wanting to defend people who have been maligned here and do good work more than I want to say who I think sucks.

People (and things) like:
Kurt Cobain
Quentin Tarantino
Steven Spielberg
John Belushi
Gladiator
Woody Allen
My Chemical Romance
KISS (it's not entirely about the music)
Paul McCartney
Trent Reznor


My list of who (and what) sucks:
Joy Division
Adam Sandler
Amelie
Radiohead (esoteric does not equal brilliant)
The Velvet Underground
Terrence Malick
The Breakfast Club
Heath Ledger
Sublime
Ayn Rand
The Lord Of The Rings in any medium you care to mention
8 1/2
Absolutely Fabulous
Any Star Wars movie other than the 1977 original
The last 20 years of George Carlin's life
Say Anything

[Tallulah]

Robin Williams.
Coldplay.
Any baby-voiced girl singer that plays piano or guitar.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Robin Williams.
Coldplay.
Any baby-voiced girl singer that plays piano or guitar.

Sing it, sister! All worthy of inclusion.

[Orangey]

I find myself wanting to defend people who have been maligned here and do good work more than I want to say who I think sucks.

People (and things) like:
Kurt Cobain
Quentin Tarantino
Steven Spielberg
John Belushi
Gladiator
Woody Allen
My Chemical Romance
KISS (it's not entirely about the music)
Paul McCartney
Trent Reznor


My list of who (and what) sucks:
Joy Division
Adam Sandler
Amelie
Radiohead (esoteric does not equal brilliant)
The Velvet Underground
Terrence Malick
The Breakfast Club
Heath Ledger
Sublime
Ayn Rand
The Lord Of The Rings in any medium you care to mention
8 1/2
Absolutely Fabulous
Any Star Wars movie other than the 1977 original
The last 20 years of George Carlin's life
Say Anything

You dare defend MCR and malign Radiohead at the same time!!! BOOOOO! :D

[Magic Poriferan]

You dare defend MCR and malign Radiohead at the same time!!! BOOOOO! :D

I was sort of thinking the same thing.

I also don't get his esoteric comment. But if we are going to talk about random traits being misidentified with quality, I could trash Nine Inch Nails for a while.

[Tallulah]

speaking of plays - rent
cats
and the list goes on

Oh, heck, yeah. Hate both those shows.

Kristin Chenoweth rides my nerves, too, though one of my dear friends idolizes her.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Oh, heck, yeah. Hate both those shows.

Kristin Chenoweth rides my nerves, too, though one of my dear friends idolizes her.

<3 Kristin Chenoweth

[EffEmDoubleyou]

You dare defend MCR and malign Radiohead at the same time!!! BOOOOO! :D

I always grade based on ambition. MCR just wants to rock out. Radiohead wants to be IMPORTANT.

[Tallulah]

Sex and the City.

[Mempy]

Romeo & Juliet- (the play) cause teenage over-melodramatic infutuation is deep and meaningful and the greatest love story of all time and stuff

I had an English teacher who told me that a lot of scholars entertain the idea that Shakespeare was actually making fun of teen infatuation with Romeo and Juliet. I like that idea, though I don't claim to know anything about Shakespeare.

Spirited Away- bowl of suck. Pretty yes, Miyazaki has done so much better... only looks good in comparison to....

Howl's Moving Castle(the movie)- and it used to be a good book from one of my favorite authors too!

I didn't like Howl's Moving Castle, either, but I loved Spirited Away.

Amelie

Thank you, thank you, thank you. My GOD, I hated that movie. And everyone EVERYWHERE seems to love it. I need ten of these: :confused:

[Tallulah]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. My GOD, I hated that movie. And everyone EVERYWHERE seems to love it. I need ten of these: :confused:

I felt that way about The Piano.

[Mempy]

I felt that way about The Piano.
I'm not sure I've even heard of that.

Who/what I agree sucks:
Denzel Washington
RENT
Say Anything

Additions:
The Notebook
The English Patient

[pure_mercury]

I like almost all of EffEmDoubleYou's suck list. :D However, I definitely agree on late-period George Carlin and Radiohead (to an extent). I just saw them on Tuesday, and the show was very 2000s-heavy. In other words, a gigantic pile of MEH. Oh, and Sublime. "Groovy" is not amongst my criteria for great artists.

And somehow, Paul McCartney has become UNDERRATED at this point. That's weird, and a little frightening. He's been a complete cornball for decades, but he put out far more enjoyable songs in the 1970s than any other ex-Beatle. John Lennon had two very good solo albums, sucked drunken monkey balls for years, and made a decent AOR album months before dying. George put out maybe two albums' worth of decent material. Ringo had one.

Another band that is popular for no good reason, except their style fit the era: The Cars. They put out maybe 50-60 minutes of good music in a 12-year career. "Good Times Roll" and "My Best Friend's Girl" flat-out suck.

[Thursday]

the movie sideways
those two male actors-blah

and how did you guys forget carson daly and his show ?

[Tallulah]

and how did you guys forget carson daly and his show ?

Well, I think the original premise was to have things that people really think are great, but actually suck. I don't think anyone thinks Carson Daly is great. :D

[pure_mercury]

Well, I think the original premise was to have things that people really think are great, but actually suck. I don't think anyone thinks Carson Daly is great. :D

Yeah, exactly. He had a few decent musical guests, but that show was never any good. Let's void the Nickelbacks and Uwe Bolls and all in this thread. No fish in a barrel.

[Thursday]

Yeah, exactly. He had a few decent musical guests, but that show was never any good. Let's void the Nickelbacks and Uwe Bolls and all in this thread. No fish in a barrel.

well
throw in bowling for soup

rilo kiley and ashanti

[sassafrassquatch]

The Colbert Report sucks. It was was funny at first but now it's wearing thin and I don't even watch it anymore. The Daily Show is way better even though I hate everyone on it except for Jon Stewart and John Oliver.

[pure_mercury]

The Colbert Report sucks. It was was funny at first but now it's wearing thin and I don't even watch it anymore. The Daily Show is way better even though I hate everyone on it except for Jon Stewart and John Oliver.

I don't care for either one of those shows. I honestly liked The Daily Show better when it was Craig Kilborn doing fake news. South Park is the best political show on that network.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Mel Brooks: his films are slow and don't work... the only one which was halfway funny was Spaceballs, and even that was overwrought.


Edit: I just realized this thread is about people in entertainment and art. :P

[sassafrassquatch]

I don't care for either one of those shows. I honestly liked The Daily Show better when it was Craig Kilborn doing fake news. South Park is the best political show on that network.

South Park's social/political commentary sucks too, they should stick to fart jokes.

[ajblaise]

South Park's social/political commentary sucks too, they should stick to fart jokes.

2nded.

[Night]

M. Night Shyamalan
Kanye West
The Euro
Oprah
Meredith Viera
Adam Sandler
Tom Cruise / soapbox celebrities
Peru
Puff Daddy
Thomas Jefferson

English Tories
Republicans, most
MTV - especially The Real World
Mojito commercials
The Christian Coalition
Richard Dawkins
Interpretive dance
Text Messages
Limerence

[Jen]

M. Night Shyamalan <--nooo! :cry:
Kanye West
The Euro
Oprah
Meredith Viera
Adam Sandler<-- nooo! :cry:
Tom Cruise / soapbox celebrities
Peru
Puff Daddy
Thomas Jefferson

English Tories
Republicans, most
MTV - especially The Real World
Mojito commercials
The Christian Coalition
Richard Dawkins
Interpretive dance
Text Messages
Limerence
:coffee:

[Night]

A few more...

Transformers, the movie
Dakota Fanning
All Things Considered on NPR
Creed
Socioeconomic inequality
Diet Coke
Millenialism
Fred Phelps
Nostradamus
Tyler Perry
Tucker Carlson (squeaky little shit...)
Dennis Leary

[Jen]

A few more...

Transformers, the movie<--noo! :cry:
Dakota Fanning
All Things Considered on NPR
Creed
Socioeconomic inequality
Diet Coke<-- nooo! :cry:
Millenialism
Fred Phelps
Nostradamus
Tyler Perry
Tucker Carlson (squeaky little shit...)
Dennis Leary<--FUCK no! :cry:Limey will be gutted over Leary.

[Night]

Limey will be gutted over Leary.

Most would probably take issue with him being included on my list.

He reminds me of an old college roommate of mine. Never flushed the toilet.

[Jen]

toilet flushing's for pussies.

No one rants better than DL.

Leary Montage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ8vIkBJNlg&feature=related)

Me and Custer were the last white men to get shot with arrows in this fucking country! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUFDaXkJG-4&feature=related)

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Bill O'Reilly

Pat Buchanan

Lou Dobbs

Geraldo Rivera

Deepak Chopra

Osho Rajneesh

Bikram Choudhury

Ann Coulter

________________

I realize that some of these people are spiritualists or politicians, but I'm taking it the thread has expanded to including people well-known in pop culture.

[colmena]

Spirited Away- bowl of suck. Pretty yes, Miyazaki has done so much better...

I've seen a few of his films and that's the only one I could really get on with. Princess Mononoke was good, but a bit over the top with action and symbolism.

I couldn't sit through Nausicaä or Cagliostro.

the movie sideways

*deep breaths*

I'm far too sensitive for this thread.

[Jack Flak]

Bill O'Reilly

Pat Buchanan

Lou Dobbs

Geraldo Rivera

Deepak Chopra

Osho Rajneesh

Bikram Choudhury

Ann Coulter
How brave. I also like to wait until an opinion has been popular for ten years before I voice agreement. (Ann Coulter is awesome.)

[Night]

That's a strong assumption, Flak.
How are you so certain of SDM's intent?

Ann Coulter is a polemicist. She defends ideas that suck.

[Jack Flak]

Ann Coulter is a polemicist. She defends ideas that suck.
*shrug* But I can't get enough.
Coulter

[Ivy]

OMG yes, I HATE HATE HATE Chicago.

I didn't see Chicago, but I hated Moulin Rouge! It was AWFUL!

[JivinJeffJones]

I had no idea there was so much bad taste on these boards. :doh:

[pure_mercury]

NPR, in general, sucks. Garden State sucks. Sufjan Stevens doesn't suck outright, but his vibe smacks of 3rd grade extra credit project, and every damn song sounds exactly like Simon and Garfunkel's "The Boxer." Keith Olbermann sucks assholes. Most Godard movies vary from pretentious-and-all-right, to full-on-suckitude.

[Ivy]

WTF? Sufjan Stevens? NOW IT'S ON.

*engages in fisticuffs with p_m*

[pure_mercury]

WTF? Sufjan Stevens? NOW IT'S ON.

*engages in fisticuffs with p_m*

Sorry, but he can barely write a hook (and often leaves them out entirely), his song titles have more words than many actual songs do, and his voice is wearing. He's like Nick Drake, but without all the jazziness, songwriting acumen, and poetry.

[Ivy]

Did you not notice there were fisticuffs?!

[pure_mercury]

Did you not notice there were fisticuffs?!

I don't hit women. . . unless you count Chris Carrabba from Dashboard Confessional. If you do, then I would beat one particular woman senseless on sight.

[Ivy]

Sweet. Then I can just fisticuffs you without reproach!

Anyway, I love Sufjan, but like everything that has been mentioned so far, there's no accounting for taste (except for Moulin Rouge, it objectively sucks and you're all wrong).

[Uberfuhrer]

Any anime show or movie.

[Zergling]

Rage Against the Machine: It's a guy talking with music playing in the background.

Screaming heavy metal: Same as above, only the guy is screaming.

[Tallulah]

I love this thread so much. I totally agree re: Moulin Rouge, anime (SERIOUSLY.), death metal, Denis Leary, Oprah, and Meredith Viera. Also, I don't listen to Sufjan Stevens, but pure_merc wins because his evisceration of him was hilarious. :headphne:

The View is completely and totally composed of suckage. Each individual host sucks, and together, they are a swirling eddy of suckitude the likes of which this world has never before seen.

[TheLastMohican]

Citizen Kane. A good movie, but the best ever? Not a chance.

[booyalab]

Do we really mean "sucks" or who is overrated? I see lots of people qualifying their criticisms. To me, sucks=no redeeming qualities.


Any baby-voiced girl singer that plays piano or guitar.
yes.


The last 20 years of George Carlin's life

I don't like stand-up comics who seem to completely rely on angry politics for their jokes. That seemed to be George Carlin's gimmick towards the end. I also think Al Franken and Janeane Garafolo and Lewis Black suck for the same reason.

[pure_mercury]

Do we really mean "sucks" or who is overrated? I see lots of people qualifying their criticisms. To me, sucks=no redeeming qualities.


If their critical acclaim is WAY out of whack to their talent, they count. But, as before, the people who have no talent at all should be left out. There should be some controversy and argument going on.

EDIT: I'll add "popularity" along with "critical acclaim." Like Black Eyed Peas, for instance. 8-10 years ago, they were a decent party-rap/positive hip-hop crew. Now, they are a pestilence on American society.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

How brave. I also like to wait until an opinion has been popular for ten years before I voice agreement. (Ann Coulter is awesome.)

Ten years ago I didn't give a shit about these people. I independently discovered that they suck. Forgive me for not being as scintillatingly original as you. As for Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan, they would've been Nazi sympathizers in the 40's.

Anyway... some more:

Wizard of Oz: I can't stand this flick... it's kitsch and the acting's terrible.

Sound of Music: Another film which is so saccharine it makes me want to puke every time I see it.

New Age: this is a broader indictment of the movement of which chopra and rajneesh are a part... it sucks, there's nothing deeply original about it, except for the fact that they take perfectly good philosophies and make them even more bound up with superstition and meaningless fluff. This includes Theosophy.

Dana Carvey films post-Wayne's World: did anyone see Master of Disguise?

Samuel Huntington and the Clash of Civilizations theory: all rhetoric and little justifiable substance. He's helping to create a clash of civilizations by asserting it into being.

Wendy Doniger and her students: the worst cases of sensationalist writing about India... it's all the worse because she's a Harvard professor with great command over Sanskrit. Kripal, a student, doesn't follow any of the rules of academia when writing.

SNL: it's not been funny since the early nineties... I tried watching it in the early knots (2000's) and hardly cracked a smile once in several hours. Maybe it's just me... but I've heard this from other people too...

Same goes for Mad TV... just not funny...

[colmena]

anime (SERIOUSLY.)

I wouldn't knock it until you've seen Takahata's best films (Only Yesterday, Grave of The Fireflies).

The rest I can take or leave (usually leave).

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[Night]

Here are a few more...

Perez Hilton
Emo subculture
Donald Trump
The FARC
Martha Stewart
Andrew Jackson
Staind
Dick Vitale

Jennifer Garner
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The League of Nations
Bobby Fischer
Svetlana Khorkina
Wolverine
Bobby Knight
Bela Lugosi

[Samuel De Mazarin]

I wouldn't knock it until you've seen Takahata's best films (Only Yesterday, Grave of The Fireflies).

The rest I can take or leave (usually leave).


I enjoyed films like "Spirited Away" and "Fist of the North Star"... obviously "Akira"... and then there's Hentai...



ooooooooooooooooohhhhhh.... I got a big one.

Bollywood Hindi films: aside from the occasional exception, Bollywood films are extremely poorly-acted, wretchedly scripted, badly edited, loooooooooooooooooooooong, and unoriginal. The only thing that somewhat redeems them are some of the songs, though the music videos are more often than not quite callow and most of the songs are quite forgettable (as with pop music everywhere). I can't stand the fact that India's so strongly associated with Bollywood... it makes me sick... (I already ranted about this in a post several months ago... I think pure_mercury remembers... no one responded because I think I rambled on and on about how deplorable Indian films have been since Bengali directors like Satyajit Ray and a few others).

[pure_mercury]

Here are a few more...

Perez Hilton
Emo subculture
Donald Trump
The FARC
Martha Stewart
Andrew Jackson
Staind
Jennifer Garner
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The League of Nations
Bobby Fischer
Svetlana Khorkina
Wolverine
Bobby Knight
Bela Lugosi

That's a great list.

[colmena]

I haven't seen Fist of the North Star. It looks a bit shit.

:)

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Here are a few more...

Perez Hilton
Emo subculture
Donald Trump
The FARC
Martha Stewart
Andrew Jackson
Staind
Dick Vitale

Jennifer Garner
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The League of Nations
Bobby Fischer
Svetlana Khorkina
Wolverine
Bobby Knight
Bela Lugosi

Of all of these, "The League of Nations" is the most wonderfully unusual choice for suck.

Why Bobby Fischer? Since he disappeared?



I haven't seen Fist of the North Star. It looks a bit shit.

:)

Meh... it was my first anime film and maybe I'm remembering it more fondly than it ought to be... but the key is I enjoyed it. : )

[colmena]

Bollywood Hindi films

Guilty pleasure.

And some are hilariously bad. What's the one where the muscley chap dies, so his girlfriend moves away only to find someone who looks exactly the same. That film goes through like six different genres. The martial arts at the end had me rolling about on the floor.

[pure_mercury]

Of all of these, "The League of Nations" is the most wonderfully unusual choice for suck.

Why Bobby Fischer? Since he disappeared?

Bobby Fischer threw away his talent (and he was the most talented chess player of all time (except for possibly Capablanca or Mir Sultan Khan; how's THAT for Indian culture, SDM?). He also let his personal demons turn him into an anti-Semitic, terrorist-supporting, misanthropist asshole.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Guilty pleasure.

And some are hilariously bad. What's the one where the muscley chap dies, so his girlfriend moves away only to find someone who looks exactly the same. That film goes through like six different genres. The martial arts at the end had me rolling about on the floor.

"Kaho Na Pyaar Hai" ("Don't speak, It's Love")... with Hrithik Roshan and Amisha Patel.

heh heh! the muscley chap...

the one standout moment in that film was Hrithik Roshan's dancing in the song "Ek Pal Ka Jeena", when Amisha goes abroad and sees the doppelganger... unbelievably great dancer...

YouTube - Kaho Na Pyaar Hai - Ek Pal Ka Jeena (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vriGoVd3r94)

But I still get that "embarrassed" feeling when I hear the lame opening and see some lamer people dancing around Hrithik.

[Night]

Bobby Fischer threw away his talent (and he was the most talented chess player of all time (except for possibly Capablanca or Mir Sultan Khan; how's THAT for Indian culture, SDM?). He also let his personal demons turn him into an anti-Semitic, terrorist-supporting, misanthropist asshole.

Very well said.

[colmena]

"Kaho Na Pyaar Hai" ("Don't speak, It's Love")... with Hrithik Roshan and Amisha Patel.

heh heh! the muscley chap...

the one standout moment in that film was Hrithik Roshan's dancing in the song "Ek Pal Ka Jeena", when Amisha goes abroad and sees the doppelganger... unbelievably great dancer...

YouTube - Kaho Na Pyaar Hai - Ek Pal Ka Jeena (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vriGoVd3r94)

But I still get that "embarrassed" feeling when I hear the lame opening and see some lamer people dancing around Hrithik.

It's all a bit too '90s homo-erotica, for me. I liked the bit on the beach. Some good shots there, too.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Bobby Fischer threw away his talent (and he was the most talented chess player of all time (except for possibly Capablanca or Mir Sultan Khan; how's THAT for Indian culture, SDM?). He also let his personal demons turn him into an anti-Semitic, terrorist-supporting, misanthropist asshole.

Very well said.

I didn't know about all the anti-semitism and terrorist leaning... haven't ever read much about him.

As for your grasp of Indian culture, I'm very impressed. :nerd:

It's all a bit too '90s homo-erotica, for me. I liked the bit on the beach. Some good shots there, too.

yes... I rewatched it and was like, gah... but Hrithik Roshan's still one of the best dancers I've ever seen. You see him through the years... what he did in "Dhoom" with Aishwarya was great...

but once again, I'm not vouching for the quality of the films, or even the tastefulness of the dance numbers... more often than not they're cringeworthy... hence my nomination of Bollywood as suckiest thing ever.

[Magic Poriferan]

Friedrich Nietzsche. "Che" Guevara. Ayn Rand.


Deontological ethics.

Oh... Might as well throw in all of post-modernism.

[pure_mercury]

Friedrich Nietzsche. "Che" Guevara. Ayn Rand.


Deontological ethics.

Oh... Might as well throw in all of post-modernism.

Yeah, those people aren't that great, either. Nietzsche made me laugh a bit. Rand wrote like two-and-a-half good books, and she was a raging bitch.

[colmena]

Deontological ethics.

That ruined The Dark Knight, for me.


brrr

[Magic Poriferan]

Well... I can kind of understand the interest in Nietzsche, and I know why people are often wowed by Guevara... But they epitomize being over-rated.

Those two also have something in common, actually. Both of them are represented everywhere by teenagers that don't actually know a damn thing about them.

[colmena]

Commas. Stop teasing me with your complex ways, you vagarious minxes.

[Magic Poriferan]

That ruined The Dark Knight, for me.


brrr


Hey. A teleological point of view could still affectively be applied to that film.

[pure_mercury]

Well... I can kind of understand the interest in Nietzsche, and I know why people are often wowed by Guevara... But they epitomize being over-rated.

Those two also have something in common, actually. Both of them are represented everywhere by teenagers that don't actually know a damn thing about them.

You can probably guess what I thought of Che Guevara. I wish Hell were real for people like him.

[colmena]

Hey. A teleological point of view could still affectively be applied to that film.

But that wont stop Gary Oldman's flighty tears.

[Magic Poriferan]

You can probably guess what I thought of Che Guevara. I wish Hell were real for people like him.

Meh. Che Guevara. George Washington. Same to me for the most part. Men that killed for beliefs. I only think Washington is more impressive because he accomplished a whole lot more. :D

[pure_mercury]

Pearl Jam haven't done anything worthwhile since Vitalogy, a song or two per album excepted. And Eddie Vedder is a short douche with a stupid voice.

[Spartacuss]

I agree most with Night's lists, so I'll copy and edit accordingly.


M. Night Shyamalan
The Euro
Adam Sandler
Tom Cruise / soapbox celebrities
Puff Daddy
Thomas Jefferson

English Tories
Republicans, most
MTV - especially The Real World
Mojito commercials
The Christian Coalition
Interpretive dance
Text Messages
Limerence
Millenialism
Fred Phelps
Nostradamus
Tyler Perry
Tucker Carlson (squeaky little shit...)
Dennis Leary
Jennifer Garner
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The League of Nations
Perez Hilton

Interpretive dance makes me want to throttle somebody.
Limerence- Good fucking God. KILL yourself.
MTV headquarters should be evaporated and everyone associated with making programs forced to sit in a room with their eyelids taped open and watch looped tapes of their product till the last brain cell withers.
Denis Leary needs to go sit in a corner and attend to the large shitlog jammed up his rear end.
Perez Hilton assures me there's no hope for mankind. Why is he breathing???


Citizen Kane. A good movie, but the best ever? Not a chance.
THANK YOU!


Friedrich Nietzsche. "Che" Guevara. Ayn Rand.
I hate these people even less than I hate their sop-minded disciples, especially Nietzsche. The other 2 are a joke.

[PinkPiranha]

Which artists (with some modicum of critical acclaim) actually suck? Directors, authors, graphic artists, whatever? Who is completely overrated? Which creative emperors have no clothes?

First nominee, for Egregious Overratedness: My Bloody Valentine. Cool sounds, no songs to speak of, not a great example of the shoegazer aesthetic.

Artist:

Rob Liefield - he created Deadpool, et al, but his artwork is 2-dimensional and horrible. Lots of hatchety lines, all the faces look masculine including the women, he has no sense of proportion, and an ego to go with it. Liefield, you are a hack.




Band:

Good Charlotte -- (no!)

Evanescence -- (Double no!) Emo. Uncreative. The girl always sounds like she's about to suffer a strain injury.

The Jonas Brothers need to go away.

Smashmouth (retread city is your claim to fame)

Hootie and the Blowfish (the bane of my existence in the early 90s... everyone LOOOOVED Hootie and I only wanted to flee) Not all that enjoyable unless you're high or in a dead-end relationship.

Gin Blossoms - a band I hate more than Hootie. No edges, no depth. I feel like someone is throwing tapioca pudding on my brain. I will forever resent them for "Hey, Jealousy". It typified the 90s blase ironic-for-the-sake-of-irony "Empire Records" mentality.

Linkin Park - just w/e, Gen Y.


Authors:

I'm just going to say it. JK Rowling. I'm glad she made her books a success, more power to her, but I find her books dull and kind of stupid. I'm all about fantasy, I love Tolkien and CS Lewis, but Rowling just doesn't inspire me at all.

Norman Mailer - total pig. Not all that talented either, in my estimation.



Movies:

Gladiator. As much as I love Ridley Scott, that movie was truly not great, especially when compared to "Black Rain" and "Blade Runner".

I figured that with such a stellar cast the dialogue and actions would be way more compelling. I recall a review dissing Connie Neilson, and I thought "She was the only one in that movie not over-acting." I could even give Joaquin a pass on that, but everyone else? Ham. Ham. More ham. I enjoyed the scenery when it wasn't being chewed. Zero subtlety. I accuse Russell Crowe over over-acting frequently, though I liked him a lot in "L.A. Confidential" and "Master and Commander". I was expecting his amazing physical presence to really gel with a character like Maximus, but I found myself wishing the character would die because he's so pedantic and "ME!"

[PinkPiranha]

EDIT: Gladiator is one of the worst Best Picture Oscar winners in history. And I like Ridley Scott.


LOL!! I didn't read any of the posts so I could vent without being influenced, and here you are in my mind! :D

[pure_mercury]

LOL!! I didn't read any of the posts so I could vent without being influenced, and here you are in my mind! :D

Great minds hate alike.

OK, here is a group I enjoy personally, but who have a cult around them that is completely disproportionate to their music: Belle & Sebastian.

[Ivy]

I like B&S but I don't get the hype, either. They're just nice pop music. They don't suck, though.

[pure_mercury]

I like B&S but I don't get the hype, either. They're just nice pop music. They don't suck, though.

No, they don't. Their fans often do, though. There are many artists for whom their rabid fans are way worse than they are. Chuck Palahniuk, for instance. He's written some good stuff, but his fanboys and fangirls are some of the most annoying people in my age group. You don't count as a "literature fan" if all you read is Palahniuk and Vonnegut.

[PinkPiranha]

While I love college radio, it will make a god out of anything improbable. It's the ironic bliss stage of early 20 somethings with a student debt load and a dorm shower.

[pure_mercury]

Panic! At the Disco suck.

[PinkPiranha]

I will never understand the allure of "My Humps".

[murkrow]

I will never understand the allure of my humps.

Me neither.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Mentions from other people that I wish I'd thought of first:

Sufjan Stevens
Dashboard Confessional
(Nobody else mentioned him, but as long as we're talking about precious music, I'm gonna go ahead and throw Jack Johnson on the fire, too)
The Colbert Report
The Wizard of Oz
Tyler Perry


I wish to defend the honor of:

Moulin Rouge
Dick Vitale
Citizen Kane
Lewis Black
SNL (Everyone always says "It's not as good as 'X' season", but nobody agrees on what 'X' is. So what it really means is that every season has its detractors and defenders. I think attitudes toward SNL are fascinating and worthy of a thread on their own.)


I love something pure_merc said too...there is a whole different category for people who are okay on their own merit but whose insane fans make you hate them. That could be a thread, too.

[Ivy]

I forgot one: Ayn Rand.

She AND her fans can suck it.

[PinkPiranha]

Mentions from other people that I wish I'd thought of first:

Sufjan Stevens
Dashboard Confessional
(Nobody else mentioned him, but as long as we're talking about precious music, I'm gonna go ahead and throw Jack Johnson on the fire, too)
The Colbert Report
The Wizard of Oz
Tyler Perry


I saw Sufjan Stevens on Austin City Limits, and it was ridiculous. Like another rehash of the Polyphonic Spree.

[Spartacuss]

Lewis Black sucks donkeys nuts and I wonder how much he pays Comedy Central to keep showing up.

[Magic Poriferan]

I forgot one: Ayn Rand.

She AND her fans can suck it.

Already got your back on that one, Ivy. :D

Lewis Black sucks donkeys nuts and I wonder how much he pays Comedy Central to keep showing up.

I'm actually capable of recognizing that someone I dislike might still be popular and wanted. It surprises me how many people aren't.

[Spartacuss]

I'm actually capable of recognizing that someone I dislike might still be popular and wanted. It surprises me how many people aren't.

What are you saying? Put it less passive aggressively.
Popularity does not mean non-suckage, as this thread makes clear. or Britney.
Then again, he does sell shows, so maybe he doesn't have to pay Comedy Central. much. :eek:

[Ivy]

Admining is hard work! I can't be bothered to read every post! :D

Oh, here's another one who may have been mentioned already but I'm not planning to find out: Thomas Kinkaid, the Painter of Dreck.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

Oh, here's another one who may have been mentioned already but I'm not planning to find out: Thomas Kinkaid, the Painter of Dreck.

How could this thread have possibly gotten to Page 14 with no mention of him? Inconceivable!

Oh, and I totally forgot The Big Lebowski. Yeah, yeah, I know. You're all wrong :D

[Spartacuss]

Lebowski is overrated. I blame it partly on the college wannabe stoner contingent.

[Magic Poriferan]

What are you saying? Put it less passive aggressively.
Popularity does not mean non-suckage, as this thread makes clear. or Britney.
Then again, he does sell shows, so maybe he doesn't have to pay Comedy Central. much.

I'm not saying that popularity amounts to quality. I am just saying that he doesn't need to pay anyone. People pay him. He is in demand. I just notice a striking tendency for people to come up with conspiracy theories to explain the popularity of things they don't like.

Anyway...

How about video-games?
Halo and Grand Theft Auto.

[Spartacuss]

I'm not saying that popularity amounts to quality. I am just saying that he doesn't need to pay anyone. People pay him. He is in demand. I just notice a striking tendency for people to come up with conspiracy theories to explain the popularity of things they don't like..
I noticed a striking tendency for you to take everything at face value. Lighten up, kid. I was just ripping on the dude. I assure you others share your speshul skills of perception with regard to things they don't like. ;)

[PinkPiranha]

James Blunt

[EffEmDoubleyou]

I wonder what it says that people are way more excited to share what they hate than what they love? Probably just that it's a lot more fun :)

[Magic Poriferan]

I wonder what it says that people are way more excited to share what they hate than what they love? Probably just that it's a lot more fun :)

Actually, I propose that saying what you love creates a much large sense of vulnerability. It's like telling everyone exactly where to strike.

[Uberfuhrer]

I truthfully do not know why everyone liked The Dark Knight so much.

It just seemed that people flocked together because of Heath Ledger, who hasn't even been in that many memorable movies.

The movie itself wasn't even that good.

I liked Batman & Robin better.

[PinkPiranha]

You preferred George Clooney? :D

[Magic Poriferan]

I truthfully do not know why everyone liked The Dark Knight so much.

It just seemed that people flocked together because of Heath Ledger, who hasn't even been in that many memorable movies.

The movie itself wasn't even that good.

I liked Batman & Robin better.


Well, it's all subjective.

You have unbelievably bad taste.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

I truthfully do not know why everyone liked The Dark Knight so much.

It just seemed that people flocked together because of Heath Ledger, who hasn't even been in that many memorable movies.

The movie itself wasn't even that good.

I liked Batman & Robin better.

I think it's just a matter of what different people value in a film. You've consistently demonstrated that production values and visual effects are the primary means by which you judge a film. In that case, Batman and Robin would be a natural choice over The Dark Knight, because it was visually showier. I think the people that prefer The Dark Knight value storytelling, subtext and a restrained but well-defined visual style. I think it's unfair to the film to tie its popularity to the Heath Ledger situation, although I agree that his untimely death has caused people to view his body of work through rose-colored glasses.

[sassafrassquatch]

Oh, and I totally forgot The Big Lebowski. Yeah, yeah, I know. You're all wrong :D

Lebowski is overrated. I blame it partly on the college wannabe stoner contingent.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/freakout.gif

[Uberfuhrer]

People who slam Spielberg obviously don't understand movies. The guy is one of the most efficient directors in Hollywood. And for a mainstream film director, he is far less obsessed with special effects than pretty much every other director.

I believe Minority Report was the film of his that had the highest special effects count -- only a little over 400 -- although maybe Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had around 500, which is still a small amount by today's 1,000-shots-and-beyond standards.

Jurassic Park had a little less than 60 effects shots, which was a small amount even for that time.

The way the guy manages action sequences is ingenious once you educate yourself about the actual process of making movies.

Anyway, what else sucks?

Pan's Labyrinth was extremely overrated. (Although it would have probably been slightly better if it was in English.)

I also don't get what people saw in any of The Matrix movies. It was basically TRON for the MTV generation.

The movie 300 was also totally overrated. The only reason people liked it was Gerard Butler's sex appeal. The technique of creating it wasn't even innovative, yet people are dumb enough to believe it was.

The Lord of the Rings films are also overrated.

I think it's just a matter of what different people value in a film. You've consistently demonstrated that production values and visual effects are the primary means by which you judge a film. In that case, Batman and Robin would be a natural choice over The Dark Knight, because it was visually showier. I think the people that prefer The Dark Knight value storytelling, subtext and a restrained but well-defined visual style. I think it's unfair to the film to tie its popularity to the Heath Ledger situation, although I agree that his untimely death has caused people to view his body of work through rose-colored glasses.

The Dark Knight is merely the new Titanic. Everyone loves it now, but in a few years, no one is going to care. Look at Titanic, everyone thought of how great it was when it first came out and now practically everyone hates it. (Although, personally, I thought Titanic was a well-made movie.)

And The Dark Knight had a story that was probably even more ridiculous than Batman & Robin.

[pure_mercury]

Lebowski is overrated. I blame it partly on the college wannabe stoner contingent.

Agreed. I like that movie; it's pretty funny. It's also too long and like 8th- or 9th-best in the Coen Bros. filmography (I am a big fan of theirs). I think part of the appeal is the sheer quotability. It doesn't make it a tremendous cinematic achievement, though.

[pure_mercury]

Overrated: Pablo Neruda

Way Overrated (due to historical value): The Diary of Anne Frank

Overrated (due to English teachers not getting laid): all Edith Wharton

Just Plain Sucks: Nathaniel Hawthorne

[PinkPiranha]

Overrated (due to English teachers not getting laid): all Edith Wharton

Worse: James Joyce's self-indulgence.

Just Plain Sucks: Nathaniel Hawthorne

Natty Bumppo, you are a loser.

[PinkPiranha]

William Carlos Williams' "Red Wheelbarrow"

[pure_mercury]

Worse: James Joyce's self-indulgence.

I rather enjoyed Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man and The Dubliners. I guess I will read Ulysses at some point. Finnegans Wake? I don't think so. Even the bars named after it are ponderous and hateful.


Natty Bumppo, you are a loser.

Nobody really thinks James Fenimore Cooper was good, do they?

[PinkPiranha]

I rather enjoyed Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man and The Dubliners. I guess I will read Ulysses at some point. Finnegans Wake? I don't think so. Even the bars named after it are ponderous and hateful.

Finnegan's Wake is glorified white ebonics.


Nobody really thinks James Fenimore Cooper was good, do they?


One would assume 'yes' but one would be wrong. Grossly wrong.

Have you ever read Mark Twain's hilarious diatribes against Cooper? I laughed so hard I cried.

[Tallulah]

SO agree with Tyler Perry. Good call, FM. He doesn't even do that schtick as well as Martin Lawrence. What does THAT say about him?

I also wish to defend the honor of Citizen Kane. I think it's one of those movies that's every bit as good as its reputation proclaims it to be. Admittedly, not everyone likes the same thing. Part of what makes it a great movie is the fact that Welles did some groundbreaking camera angles and directing choices that changed cinema thereafter. I watched a movie called RKO 281, about Welles and how he made that movie, and then immediately afterward attended a showing of CK on the big screen in NYC. (I think it was an HBO-made thing, with Liev Scrieber.) First of all, it's a completely different movie when you see it as it's meant to be seen. It completely envelops you, because of the mood he creates right from the beginning. But having some insight into the things that he did that no one else had done before him, and the things he had to fight to do to even get the movie made? It really tranforms the experience. I'm not saying you have to like it, but it doesn't suck.

[Orangey]

Hmmm...let me see:

Jeffree Star
Jean Baudrillard
Paulo Freire
Nancy Grace (Die!!!!)

[Uberfuhrer]

Wii. It would have been so much better with Xbox 360 hardware.

[pure_mercury]

SO agree with Tyler Perry. Good call, FM. He doesn't even do that schtick as well as Martin Lawrence. What does THAT say about him?

I also wish to defend the honor of Citizen Kane. I think it's one of those movies that's every bit as good as its reputation proclaims it to be. Admittedly, not everyone likes the same thing. Part of what makes it a great movie is the fact that Welles did some groundbreaking camera angles and directing choices that changed cinema thereafter. I watched a movie called RKO 281, about Welles and how he made that movie, and then immediately afterward attended a showing of CK on the big screen in NYC. (I think it was an HBO-made thing, with Liev Scrieber.) First of all, it's a completely different movie when you see it as it's meant to be seen. It completely envelops you, because of the mood he creates right from the beginning. But having some insight into the things that he did that no one else had done before him, and the things he had to fight to do to even get the movie made? It really tranforms the experience. I'm not saying you have to like it, but it doesn't suck.

You know, it took me 2 or 3 watches before I really appreciated Citizen Kane. Now I agree that it's genius (although it would not crack my Top 5 Greatest American Films; Top 10, yes). I actually don't think it matters as much to see it on the big screen, though, since it was shot in 1.33:1. It's in its normal aspect ratio on TV. I did see it on the big screen once, and it was a great experience, but mostly for the tremendous sound in a brand-new theater.

[pure_mercury]

Hmmm...let me see:

Jeffree Star
Jean Baudrillard
Paulo Freire
Nancy Grace (Die!!!!)

Nancy Grace is a living, breathing black eye on our nation.

[Geoff]

Sin City.

It.. just plain sucked, for me.

[Thursday]

Akon
Lord of the Rings
Carlow Mencia
Richard Pryor
The Godfather
Snoop Dogg

more to come

[Thursday]

James Blunt

:hug:

[Jack Flak]

I can totally see why some people hate Sin City, even though I liked it.


The Godfather
Snoop Dogg
Ooh, The Godfather, ouch. Methinks The Godfather made you think of The Doggfather, hence Snoop Dogg.

[Thursday]

Ooh, The Godfather, ouch. Methinks The Godfather made you think of The Doggfather, hence Snoop Dogg.

yeah
Ni ties in wanna-be gangstas and Te says that its contradictory from the truth

[Thursday]

Maroon 5

[Samuel De Mazarin]

I think it's just a matter of what different people value in a film. You've consistently demonstrated that production values and visual effects are the primary means by which you judge a film. In that case, Batman and Robin would be a natural choice over The Dark Knight, because it was visually showier. I think the people that prefer The Dark Knight value storytelling, subtext and a restrained but well-defined visual style. I think it's unfair to the film to tie its popularity to the Heath Ledger situation, although I agree that his untimely death has caused people to view his body of work through rose-colored glasses.

Regarding this whole Batman thing... I believe that it all depends on whether one reads the Batman comics or has a sort of outsider's view of Batman.

After Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" and the various reboots/reincarnations of the Batman universe, its characters, its overall tone and aesthetic, all those changes precipitated in the 80's and 90's (think "Knight Falls" and Elseworld series, etc. etc.) Batman became something altogether different from what he was in the 50's, 60's, and 70's... the essential antisocial vigilantism, the essence of a lone man struggling against the world was obviously maintained, but its presentation was completely different. It became darker and much more brooding... Batman's struggles with Superman or even Judge Dredd are alien to people raised on Adam West...

I think the Animated Series was an excellent bridge for both aesthetics...

Thus, it would seem to me that people who prefer the Schumacher films aren't avid readers of comics from the mid-eighties forward... they see Batman more as what he was in early comics and the old Adam West TV series... KAPOW! BAM! <crazy jazz trumpets sound> A Joker who's more mischievously evil than psychotically evil...

Generally, I've found almost all serious readers of Batman comics from the last two decades or so are heavily in favor of the Nolan and Burton films... non-current fan(atic)s prefer the shtick of Schumacher.

[Jack Flak]

Schumacher's Batman movies are shit, I thought that was general knowledge. I've read some 80s Batman books, but only after falling in love with Burton's film.

For the thread: The movie 300 sucks.

[colmena]

James Blunt got through to America?

Ahahaha

Ahahahahahahhahahaha

AhahahahahahahHAHahahahaha


You can keep him.

[Geoff]

Oh, yes.. and who's that guy.. the GitWizard. Oh yeah, David Blaine. Please... take him back.

[Nocapszy]

The Beatles.


Seriously.

[Nocapszy]

Wii. It would have been so much better with Xbox 360 hardware.

You must be one of the ones who got frostbite waiting in line.

Never did get it did you?

[Samuel De Mazarin]

The Beatles.


Seriously.

No... no matter how much you say it, I'll refuse to believe you're being serious.


:coffee:

[CaptainChick]

The Big Lebowski was/is a brilliant film.

It is one of the only movies I've ever seen that actually took me several times of viewing before I got/understood all of the brilliant intricacies!!!

Those who didn't or don't get the movie, are either idiots, or need to watch it again before they judge.

Now....

Crash, the 2004 Haggis "film" WAS AN OFFENSIVELY HORRIBLE, INACCURATE, CONTRIVED, "RACISM FOR DUMMIES" PIECE OF OVERRATED SHIT!!!! All those who liked/appreciated that movie are either morons, racists, or ignorant.

[Nocapszy]

No... no matter how much you say it, I'll refuse to believe you're being serious.


:coffee:

I fucking hate the Beatles. Their fan base was, is, and will continue to be as stupid as their music is horrible.

Of every musical group in the world, I hate the beatles most.

Don't believe me. Fine. That doesn't change the unavoidable fact that they suck.

[Uberfuhrer]

I fucking hate the Beatles. Their fan base was, is, and will continue to be as stupid as their music is horrible.

Same here.

I only pretend to like them to try and fit in when the occasion calls for it.

But in actuality, I hate them.

[Negative_]

Talib Kweli.
I don't care what anyone says, his (solo) music is boring as hell.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

I fucking hate the Beatles. Their fan base was, is, and will continue to be as stupid as their music is horrible.

Of every musical group in the world, I hate the beatles most.

Don't believe me. Fine. That doesn't change the unavoidable fact that they suck.

Dude, relax! I was joking... no need to start calling people stupid. Are you still in grade school?

[PinkPiranha]

Akon

"smack that" has to be one of the most vapid ridiculous songs I've heard in ages, second place only to the OTHER stupid song he sings about nobody wanting to see him with his girl or whatever it was.


Maroon 5

Thank you!

James Blunt got through to America?

Ahahaha

Ahahahahahahhahahaha

AhahahahahahahHAHahahahaha


You can keep him.

This is enough to start a war between the colonies. :steam:

[colmena]

This is enough to start a war between the colonies. :steam:

Can it be a sexy war?

Perhaps renaissance based?


-With your hair so prettily quafft, Miss. Howard, you resemble nothing so much as the most charming French poodle.
-I'm flattered, Mr. Gosling.
-Which leads me to inquire whether at a later stage this evening, I might be permitted to tend to you on all fours with all the bestial vigour of one of my father's prize mastiffs?
-Woof woof.
-Precisely.


-Not too fatigued by this evenings excursions, Miss. Cardieu?
-Why no, Captain Jennings, I could go on for hours.
-Then might I suggest that you join me later for some modest theatricals?
-Gladly. And which roles would we be playing?
-Why I would play the part of a wealthy industrialist. Whilst you, Miss Cardieu, would play a white chapel strumpet with such eye-wateringly low virtue that you would leave me as dry as a ship's biscuit.

--The Armstrong and Miller Show

[Thursday]

dare i say green day?
kate perry
sean lennon

[PinkPiranha]

Look. I kissed a girl. And, you know, frankly, I liked it. Gosh, that cherry chapstick.


BLEH! Hetero show off!

[Jack Flak]

+1 for Beatles, as far as them being overrated. Their music is completely neutral to me, I don't care if I hear it or not.

The Who though, I can't stand listening to. I'll go batty. (Except for about three atypical songs like Eminence Front)

[Thursday]

+1 for Beatles, as far as them being overrated. Their music is completely neutral to me, I don't care if I hear it or not.

The Who though, I can't stand listening to. I'll go batty.

J. Hendrix gets praise,
while his work with The Band of Gypsys (buddy miles and billy cox) was his best

[Ivy]

I mfing love Eminence Front. I've gotten loads of heat for that being my favorite Who song. (I do like them in general though.)

Some of these, for instance the beatles, would probably seem more groundbreaking if we were listening to them when they were new. I love the beatles but since there is so much that followed them that is derivative, they sometimes sound played-out to me. It's that very played-outness that underscores their influence.

[Thursday]

Ferris Bueller's day off
Animal House
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
Hancock
Journey to the Center of the Earth

EDIT : All of the Friday movies ; those are the ones with ice cube

[Ivy]

AvereX I'm THIS CLOSE to putting you on double secret probation for all your hating!

[Thursday]

AvereX I'm THIS CLOSE to putting you on double secret probation for all your hating!

Ivy, cuz she's so damn likeable
:hug:

[PinkPiranha]

That AvereX, so overrated! :D ;)

[Colors]

Joining in with Night over Thomas Jefferson and with Chicago.

Totally disagreeing re: Grave of the Fireflies. Too long, too dull. There's gotta be better movies about the after-effects of the nuclear bombing of Japan.

More sucky things:
Classical music (not all of it, just a lot)
The Dark Knight (technically proficient/awesome... except that I'm given no reason to care about any of the characters, not even the biggest character, Gotham.)
"Chick Lit"
Star Wars III- Revenge of the Sith- even worse than I and II combined
Romanticism (the whole movement and especially Jane Eyre and Frankenstein)
.. and while we're on it, Magical Realism (sometimes good, usually sucky)
To Kill a Mockingbird (poor plot development, characters are all cariactures, etc)
and 1984

Defending:
Suhjan Stevens (granted I've only heard Illinoise and I don't know how how OVERrated he is)
Moulin Rouge (the story is generically sucky, but it's shiny and I like the music)

I had an English teacher who told me that a lot of scholars entertain the idea that Shakespeare was actually making fun of teen infatuation with Romeo and Juliet. I like that idea, though I don't claim to know anything about Shakespeare.

See, I see making fun of teenage infutuation as something like... Midsummer's Night Dream- Romeo and Juliet doesn't have that. In fact, doesn't the Prince (or a magistrate or something) give a whole speech at the end about how nobly they died and the families should be brought together?

[Ivy]

Momoirs!

[Jack Flak]

Thomas Jefferson? LOL. You guys just...Aw....Aw....WTF

[Colors]

I haven't seen Gladiator, but surely it can't be a worse Best Picture winner than Forrest Gump (a movie made from a mixtape and operating on false nostalgia).

[Tallulah]

Some of these, for instance the beatles, would probably seem more groundbreaking if we were listening to them when they were new. I love the beatles but since there is so much that followed them that is derivative, they sometimes sound played-out to me. It's that very played-outness that underscores their influence.

Exactly--the Beatles' influence has so completely saturated everything that came after it that it's nearly impossible for those of us that didn't live through that era to realize just how new and groundbreaking they were when they came out. I love early Beatles stuff especially because they had that raw, live, frenzied sound, instead of the careful-sounding stuff that usually came out of studio recordings. I love John/Paul's harmonies, and I love the deceptively simple lyrics over complex chord structures.

I freaking love To Kill a Mockingbird. I think it's one of the best books ever written--I marvel at the craft of that book, and it's one of the few books that have ever moved me to tears. I also love 1984.

Colors sucks for having more than double my score in Mah Jong. :doh: How do you DO that? I can't freaking get past level 2!

Grey's Anatomy sucks, as does Desperate Housewives. Ugh.

Edited to add:

I haven't seen Gladiator, but surely it can't be a worse Best Picture winner than Forrest Gump (a movie made from a mixtape and operating on false nostalgia).

*standing ovation*

I can't for the life of me understand why people love Forrest Gump.

Also? Sally Field sucks. I hate her little scrunchy face as much as Pink hates Redford.

[Jack Flak]

I haven't seen Gladiator, but surely it can't be a worse Best Picture winner than Forrest Gump (a movie made from a mixtape and operating on false nostalgia).
I think it is. It's like the description of chartered accountancy here:
.

[Jack Flak]

Exactly--the Beatles' influence has so completely saturated everything that came after it that it's nearly impossible for those of us that didn't live through that era to realize just how new and groundbreaking they were when they came out. I love early Beatles stuff especially because they had that raw, live, frenzied sound, instead of the careful-sounding stuff that usually came out of studio recordings. I love John/Paul's harmonies, and I love the deceptively simple lyrics over complex chord structures.
I've heard a lot of other great, creative music from the 50s and 60s that only made me feel better about not liking the Beatles. Maybe they made a sound popular, but music is not a popularity contest! Der!

[Orangey]

I don't really like the Beatles, but I don't particularly loathe them either (except "Hello Goodbye"...everytime I hear that song I get the urge to hit something or someone).

I really don't like Van Halen. To utter that to some people is tantamount to a cardinal sin.

The song "Sweet Home Alabama", and most other Lynyrd Skynyrd music.

[sassafrassquatch]

The Big Lebowski was/is a brilliant film.

It is one of the only movies I've ever seen that actually took me several times of viewing before I got/understood all of the brilliant intricacies!!!

Those who didn't or don't get the movie, are either idiots, or need to watch it again before they judge.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/youreawesome.gif

[LadyJaye]

Also? Sally Field sucks. I hate her little scrunchy face as much as Pink hates Redford.

Is it possible for anyone to hate with as much firey hatred as Pink vs Redford?!

That is some serious hating, my friend.

[Jack Flak]

NBC's "The Office" sucks. This opinion's inevitably tied to my view that they do everything worse than the original.

[LadyJaye]

I have extreme dislike for white men who beatbox. They should be stopped.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

The Big Lebowski was/is a brilliant film.

It is one of the only movies I've ever seen that actually took me several times of viewing before I got/understood all of the brilliant intricacies!!!

Those who didn't or don't get the movie, are either idiots, or need to watch it again before they judge.

Now....

Crash, the 2004 Haggis "film" WAS AN OFFENSIVELY HORRIBLE, INACCURATE, CONTRIVED, "RACISM FOR DUMMIES" PIECE OF OVERRATED SHIT!!!! All those who liked/appreciated that movie are either morons, racists, or ignorant.

Stop beating around the bush, CC, and tell us what you really think!

Momoirs!

I've never heard this term before but I know EXACTLY what you mean by it. (If you made it up, you are a genius.) I would like to add army wife diaries to that.


*standing ovation*

I can't for the life of me understand why people love Forrest Gump.


I like Forrest Gump a lot. I just think it's a sweet fairy tale with a moral. And the moral is that contrary to the current conventional wisdom, the noblest expression of humanity is not intelligence, but love.

[Jeffster]

I just back to town and that's a lot of pages to read through. Has anybody said "Your mom" yet?

[LadyJaye]

I like Forrest Gump a lot. I just think it's a sweet fairy tale with a moral. And the moral is that contrary to the current conventional wisdom, the noblest expression of humanity is not intelligence, but love.

You have such lady tastes. :D

[pure_mercury]

I don't really like the Beatles, but I don't particularly loathe them either (except "Hello Goodbye"...everytime I hear that song I get the urge to hit something or someone).

I really don't like Van Halen. To utter that to some people is tantamount to a cardinal sin.

The song "Sweet Home Alabama", and most other Lynyrd Skynyrd music.

I love The Beatles, but one song of theirs makes me want to punch babies: "Birthday." That song is atrocious. It may not be their absolute worst song, but it's definitely the dumbest and most unnecessary.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

You have such lady tastes. :D

I do have a taste for the ladies, it's true ;)

[Beat]

I like Forrest Gump a lot. I just think it's a sweet fairy tale with a moral. And the moral is that contrary to the current conventional wisdom, the noblest expression of humanity is not intelligence, but love.

That's so sweet. There's gotta be a way to turn that into a pick-up line of some sort.

[EffEmDoubleyou]

That's so sweet. There's gotta be a way to turn that into a pick-up line of some sort.

Hey, in case you didn't notice, it drew a comment from a lady!

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5226/ladiesman131x166ne2.png
Oooh! It's a lady!

[Orangey]

I love The Beatles, but one song of theirs makes me want to punch babies: "Birthday." That song is atrocious. It may not be their absolute worst song, but it's definitely the dumbest and most unnecessary.

Oh yes, that one's pretty bad.

[Tallulah]

Is it possible for anyone to hate with as much firey hatred as Pink vs Redford?!

That is some serious hating, my friend.

Oh, just make me watch Steel Magnolias, and you can see it firsthand. I hate Sally Field with the intensity of 1,000 nuclear bombs. First off, she KILLS comedy dead. Second, she has to cry in everything she's in, and she's the ugliest crier this side of Julia Roberts. And she's cutesy and annoying. I have to leave the room if people are watching something she's in.

re: Forrest Gump. Yeah, I mean, I got what they were trying to say, but I felt like they just dropped the message on my head courtesy of a giant anvil. Plus. Sally Field.

As long as we're talking about Beatles-related songs, I hate that song "So this is Christmas..." or whatever it's called. Man, that song sucks.

[heart]

Eric Clapton - Layla :sick:

[Tallulah]

Eric Clapton - Layla :sick:

Everything Clapton's done in the last 20 years - :sick: How'd he get so lame over the years? I don't mind Layla, but that was in the Derek and the Dominoes era.

[Jack Flak]

re: Forrest Gump. Yeah, I mean, I got what they were trying to say, but I felt like they just dropped the message on my head courtesy of a giant anvil. Plus. Sally Field.
Forrest Gump had a message? Shit, that's news to me; I thought it was a bunch of cool scenes edited to 2:30.

[heart]

Everything Clapton's done in the last 20 years - :sick: How'd he get so lame over the years? I don't mind Layla, but that was in the Derek and the Dominoes era.

Maybe I didn't mind it so much the first 100,000,000,000 times I heard it, can't remember now.


Laaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyylllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[heart]

I loathe the song: Pina Colada.

It's such a lame premise. Two people write the lamest personal ads ever and find out they can't trust each other and we're supposed to get all gooey about that?

[pure_mercury]

I loathe the song: Pina Colada.

It's such a lame premise. Two people write the lamest personal ads ever and find out they can't trust each other and we're supposed to get all gooey about that?

Ah, "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" by Rupert Holmes. I actually like that song, but the plotline, if you will, is totally silly.

[Tallulah]

I loathe the song: Pina Colada.

It's such a lame premise. Two people write the lamest personal ads ever and find out they can't trust each other and we're supposed to get all gooey about that?

Hee, yeah, it's nostalgic for me, but I even as a kid I knew something was screwed up about the premise. It can best be summed up in this MST3K clip:

YouTube - The Piña Colada Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMekMLrNapY)

[Magic Poriferan]

Whoever said Green Day, good pick. :nice:
Also throw in Weezer.

Whoever said 1984... I understand how the book is over-rated, because a lot of people do practically worship Orwell for it, but... It is still probably one of the best books I've ever read.


And for the Beatles, yeah I love them, and they are among my favorite bands. Birthday was pretty inexplicable, but I've actually got to attack a bigger song of theirs.

Hey Jude. For the most part, the song is mediocre(in a very Paul McCartney way), but what really kills me is just how much time they spend on the "na, na, na-na na naaaaaaa, heeey Jude" part at the end. They could have shortened the song, or come with more material, but they settled on that, and it drives me crazy.

[Magic Poriferan]

Also, rap music. The entire genre.

[Jack Flak]

Whoever said Green Day, good pick.
Pfft, they were the shit from 1990 to 1994.
YouTube - Little Known Green Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xg7FNm5ho&feature=related)
Then they lost it a bit.

I understand how the book is over-rated, because a lot of people do practically worship Orwell for it.
I agree, even though I've never read 1984. I've heard so much about it I feel like I have. Down and Out in Paris and London is straight awesome.

[sassafrassquatch]

Maya Angelou and everyone who quotes her can DIAF. Poetry in general can also suck it.

[CaptainChick]

Ferris Bueller's day off

I just saw it again the other day, and thought it was/is a great film.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/youreawesome.gif
Right back at ya!

:smooch:

I like Forrest Gump a lot. I just think it's a sweet fairy tale with a moral. And the moral is that contrary to the current conventional wisdom, the noblest expression of humanity is not intelligence, but love.I loved Forrest Gump and I will defend its goodness 'til the day I die!!!!

[ajblaise]

I don't like stand-up comics who seem to completely rely on angry politics for their jokes. That seemed to be George Carlin's gimmick towards the end. I also think Al Franken and Janeane Garafolo and Lewis Black suck for the same reason.

Yeah if only they would talk about relationships, work, drugs....like every comic in the world.

[CaptainChick]

Maya Angelou and everyone who quotes her can DIAF. Poetry in general can also suck it.
She doesn't really do it for me either. I love *some* poetry, but *most* poetry sucks.

You know who doesn't suck??

Charles Bukowski!!!

:wub:

[pure_mercury]

And for the Beatles, yeah I love them, and they are among my favorite bands. Birthday was pretty inexplicable, but I've actually got to attack a bigger song of theirs.

Hey Jude. For the most part, the song is mediocre(in a very Paul McCartney way), but what really kills me is just how much time they spend on the "na, na, na-na na naaaaaaa, heeey Jude" part at the end. They could have shortened the song, or come with more material, but they settled on that, and it drives me crazy.

Yeah, "Hey Jude" is pretty long and overwrought. They have some real clunkers: "Mr. Moonlight," "Yellow Submarine," "Wild Honey Pie," etc.

[Orangey]

Maya Angelou and everyone who quotes her can DIAF. Poetry in general can also suck it.

Her arms semaphore fat triangles,
Pudgy hands bunched on layered hips
Where bones idle under years of fatback
And lima beans.

I'm not a fan either. Could the language be any clumsier?

[Aerithria]

Bring it On
Keanu Reeves
Kirsten Dunst
Jesus Christ Superstar
Death Note, in any incarnation
For that matter, Naruto
Friends
Christian Siriano

[Samuel De Mazarin]

I'm not a fan either. Could the language be any clumsier?

Bleed, my sister, bleed!

[pure_mercury]

2000s R.E.M. is pretty brutal, although there were one or two very good songs on the newest album.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

Okay....

Julia Roberts: I don't understand how she's even considered attractive, let alone one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood... particularly post-Pretty Woman, she looks like someone stretched her skin too tightly over her skull and the points at the corners of her lips and the tip of her nose could be used to skewer kebaabs.

+1 Crash: mediocre at best... Swordfish was better.

Katherine Hepburn: something about her vibe, the way she spoke, the coldness of her features... she couldn't hold a candle to the inimitably charming Audrey.

Humphrey Bogart: I can't stand him... he looks like a narcoleptic and his delivery was always the same... just couldn't get on the Bogart bandwagon. In fact, he and Catherine Hepburn both suck balls.

Gone with the Wind (cinematic version): Just terrible... I'd read the book and when I saw what Clark Gable had done with Rhett Butler I couldn't finish the movie after watching it halfway... I'm not going to go into why I despise it so much, since I'm already a hater of The Wizard of Oz and The Sound of Music... I'll take Citizen Kane over those three films any day.

American yoga studios: They reduce Yoga to a set of exercises (aasanas), divorce it from its culture, and then call themselves yogins (which they're not). It's like what happened with various Chinese martial arts a few decades ago... and the spandex suits and stupid tinkling 'meditation' music are absolutely unforgivable... please, please, please, GOD stop wearing the spandex AND don't fool yourself into thinking you can reach true inner focus by listening to Yanni... people have been doing aasanas/hatha yoga (what they're doing is NOT Yoga and they shouldn't be calling it that) for years without having to wear spandex. The worst part about it all is that most "certified Yoga instructors" (certified? by what board? with what authority?) don't know what the fuck they're talking about or they've learned a little and deliver whatever knowledge they have with the pseudo-expertise that's derived from New Age philosophies which explore lots of areas with little depth. So I can understand why so many people in America think of Yoga and think lame. It's been rendered lame by (most of) its American purveyors.

The British "Royal" Families: the current family is heir to a legacy which has caused more havoc and misery around the world than perhaps even the Nazis... over centuries they enslaved, stole, brainwashed, and even after being kicked out of various former colonies or forced to leave due to encroaching penury, the Brits and the royal families left disaster in their wake... many of the world's major conflicts can be traced to their terrible handling of various political situations which they'd forcibly taken control of earlier... they are at least partly to blame for what's going on in Israel-Palestine, India-Kashmir-Pakistan, and many of the African conflicts. Also, relegated to figurehead status, the royal family now serves as England's favorite pet, an overweight and severely overvalued welsh corgi, if you will, that drains taxpayers' money and lives a lavish life without doing anything... if the British people are happy with the arrangement, well, good for them... but it doesn't change the fact that the British royal families suck. (I include them because nowadays they're more tabloid fodder than political heads)

Everybody Loves Raymond: NOT funny... lame jokes with lame actors and lame delivery and everything about that serial was totally predictable... Archie Bunker was a far better grouch than Raymond's dad, and Raymond's brother was Eeyore written for adults who think like children... the conflicts were sometimes non-conflicts, and Raymond was not funny... I'm sure his stand-up was far better....

[Thursday]

Also, rap music. The entire genre.

and hip-hop ?

not taking offense, just trying to clarify

[Tallulah]

SDM-- I'm not big on all of Katharine Hepburn's stuff (she went through a period in the 50s where all she did was play old maids), but have you seen The Philadephia Story? Or The Lion in Winter? In the right thing, she can be wonderful. She and Audrey are unrelated--just happen to share the same last name.

The cinematic version of GWTW, I can take or leave, but mostly leave. I don't identify with or care about a single person in that movie, and it's not a great example of directing or writing brilliance, either. Most people I know cried at some point during GWTW, which blows my mind. It just never moved me. If Scarlett had been more than a self-involved witch, or Melanie had been more than a stereotypical priss, etc., etc., maybe I'd have cared? Not to mention Ashley was milquetoast and Rhett was way too old to be the hot, dangerous guy. I like older men, but not Gable.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

SDM-- I'm not big on all of Katharine Hepburn's stuff (she went through a period in the 50s where all she did was play old maids), but have you seen The Philadephia Story? Or The Lion in Winter? In the right thing, she can be wonderful. She and Audrey are unrelated--just happen to share the same last name.

The cinematic version of GWTW, I can take or leave, but mostly leave. I don't identify with or care about a single person in that movie, and it's not a great example of directing or writing brilliance, either. Most people I know cried at some point during GWTW, which blows my mind. It just never moved me. If Scarlett had been more than a self-involved witch, or Melanie had been more than a stereotypical priss, etc., etc., maybe I'd have cared? Not to mention Ashley was milquetoast and Rhett was way too old to be the hot, dangerous guy. I like older men, but not Gable.

I'll take a look at Philadelphia Story and and The Lion in Winter... I want to be a good sport... as for the Hepburn non-relation, I could claim that I never assumed their sister- or cousinhood but... yeah... I thought they were related... :blush: What are the odds with a name like Hepburn!

Even in the book (GWTW) Scarlett was totally annoying... but in the book, I didn't identify with Scarlett at all, even though she was the putative protagonist... Rhett Butler was the one who caught my imagination... the book's better... only with A Clockwork Orange and Jurassic Park (there are a few others) were the film adaptations comparable to the counterpart novels...

[Magic Poriferan]

and hip-hop ?

not taking offense, just trying to clarify

I've never figured-out where the line is drawn. If anyone can tell me exactly what defines hip-hop, I'll be able to say exactly what I feel about it.

I do have general enough knowledge to say that I've never intentionally listened to it.

[Thursday]

You can't call me ignorant on the basis of personal tastes.

This whole thread is basically about speaking as if objective about things that are really entirely subjective. Sure, for a lot of people, rap is apparently pleasing, and that's good for them. I, however, have never heard rap I like.

I do not comprehend how musical taste can equal ignorance. It does not compute.

he does this in his sleep ?
Sweet.

[Magic Poriferan]

he does this in his sleep ?
Sweet.

:confused:

[Thursday]

:confused:

you were very objective in that post, even while stating the subjective
i commended you for it, seeing as its practically magic-or maturity.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

I've never figured-out where the line is drawn. If anyone can tell me exactly what defines hip-hop, I'll be able to say exactly what I feel about it.

I do have general enough knowledge to say that I've never intentionally listened to it.

Rap: more linear, more focused on the development of the lyrical lines... melody and choruses punctuate the rap as opposed to playing a central part.

Hip-Hop: it just, well, bounces more... it's more focused on the melody... in hip-hop, the melody (i.e. singing) will be the central focus, taking up more time in the song, and will generally be punctuated by some rap...

Now, Hip-hop and/or Rap connoisseurs may be horrified at my definitions (I don't know)... but I've never pegged a song wrong using this intuitive set of standards.

[Magic Poriferan]

Rap: more linear, more focused on the development of the lyrical lines... melody and choruses punctuate the rap as opposed to playing a central part.

Hip-Hop: it just, well, bounces more... it's more focused on the melody... in hip-hop, the melody (i.e. singing) will be the central focus, taking up more time in the song, and will generally be punctuated by some rap...

Now, Hip-hop and/or Rap connoisseurs may be horrified at my definitions (I don't know)... but I've never pegged a song wrong using this intuitive set of standards.

Going by your standards, hip-hop > rap.
Still, not really a fan of hip-hop.

[Magic Poriferan]

you were very objective in that post, even while stating the subjective
i commended you for it, seeing as its practically magic-or maturity.

Smokes... That's a heavy compliment. I might have to shake it off to avoid letting it go to my head.

[Thursday]

alright, back to the hate
Chris Cornell's 2nd album

for his first was a 4 of 5 golden stars

[LadyJaye]

Oh, just make me watch Steel Magnolias, and you can see it firsthand. I hate Sally Field with the intensity of 1,000 nuclear bombs. First off, she KILLS comedy dead. Second, she has to cry in everything she's in, and she's the ugliest crier this side of Julia Roberts. And she's cutesy and annoying. I have to leave the room if people are watching something she's in.

re: Forrest Gump. Yeah, I mean, I got what they were trying to say, but I felt like they just dropped the message on my head courtesy of a giant anvil. Plus. Sally Field.

I'm starting to detect the subtle inference that you might have an issue with Sally Field. :D Am I right?! I'm not very good with subtle cues...

As long as we're talking about Beatles-related songs, I hate that song "So this is Christmas..." or whatever it's called. Man, that song sucks. John Lennon torments my ears. I don't think there's anything brilliant about a man that abandons his wife and child to go trapesing off with some woman he has a creative pique for.

[Samuel De Mazarin]

John Lennon torments my ears. I don't think there's anything brilliant about a man that abandons his wife and child to go trapesing off with some woman he has a creative pique for.

If we judged all artists and thinkers by their personal lives there wouldn't be much work left to be admired.

[Ivy]

If we judged all artists and thinkers by their personal lives there wouldn't be much work left to be admired.

:yes:

Why are all our heroes so imperfect
Why do they always bring me down
Why are all our heroes so imperfect
The statue in the park has lost his crown

William Faulkner drunk and depressed
Dorothy Parker mean, drunk and depressed
And that guy in Seven Years in Tibet
turned out to be a nazi
The founding fathers all had slaves,
the explorers slaughtered the braves,
The Old Testament God can be so petty

Paul McCartney jealous of John,
even more so now that he's gone
Dylan was so mean to Donovan in that movie
Pablo Picasso cruel to his wives
My favorite poets took their own lives
Orson Welles peaked at 25, ballooned before our eyes
and he sold bad wine

Heard Babe Ruth was full of malice
Lewis Carroll I'm sure did Alice
Plato in the cave with those very young boys
TS Elliott hated Jews, FDR didn't save the Jews
All the French joined the resistance after the war
Raymond Chandler drunk and depressed
Tennessee Williams drunk and depressed
Think I'll just get drunk and depressed. (http://www.jillsobule.com/Media/Heroes.mp3)

and in addition,

Byron was a cad
Shelley was a whiny little baby
Thoreau was... well, he was also a whiny little baby
Dante was a sta