Tropic Thunder controversies

[pure_mercury]

So, in the new Ben Stiller-directed film Tropic Thunder, we have Ben Stiller playing a (just regular-stupid) actor character who is most famous for playing a retarded farmer called "Simple Jack," and we have Robert Downey, Jr. playing a white Australian actor who has his skin surgically darkened to play a black soldier character (basically, Downey is in blackface). Has anyone else been following the controversies with this? Actually, Downey's character has gotten way less attention; the use of the word "retard" in regards to the Simple Jack character has been the main point of contention, and there are some calls for boycott by advocates for the mentally disabled. Any thoughts? I am going out to see the film tonight, and I will follow up on this;

NOTE: I really enjoy offensive, transgressive comedy. Something would have to be incredibly unfunny (as well as offensive) for me not to laugh and be upset about it.

[sassafrassquatch]

People who are offended by movies, unless it's something really egregious like shooting a naked woman in the face (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/), are retarded.

[ajblaise]

I don't get why such a big deal is being made. There have been plenty of movies that make fun of retards. And the white guy playing a black guy has been done.

[Zergling]

I don't really see the "retard" stuff as aimed actual mentally disabled people, As various other have said, it seemed more aimed at how characters in movies are shown than actual people.

The White guy playing a black guy didn't personally offend me, but I could see how someone might get offended at that.

The Alpa Chino character actually seemed the most possibly offensive character to me, since its such an obvious stereotype. Some of the movie southeast Asians also seemed like they could offend somebody.

[Jack Flak]

Idiots make a fuss about this because it gets press coverage; the press covers idiots like this because it makes a splash.

[pure_mercury]

I don't get why such a big deal is being made. There have been plenty of movies that make fun of retards. And the white guy playing a black guy has been done.

He's actually a white person IRL playing a white actor playing a black guy, if you didn't get that part.

[Thursday]

People who are offended by movies, unless it's something really egregious like shooting a naked woman in the face (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/), are retarded.

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this is why bluewing hates feelers

[pure_mercury]

People who are offended by movies, unless it's something really egregious like shooting a naked woman in the face (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/), are retarded.

That sort of thing doesn't bother me as much as knowing that the movie is based on real events. Documentaries and docudramas of actual horrific events in history tend to pull at my heartstrings more. I have been pretty well desensitized to non-torture onscreen violence. You know what ALWAYS gets audiences outraged, though? Violence toward animals.

[millerm277]

I never get these controversies....unless the movie is doing something like saying "Everyone should go kill *insert group here*" or something like that, who cares? If you don't like it, don't see it and shut up.

Then again, being ISTP, I'm pretty much unoffendable when it comes to this type of thing.

As for this specific controversy, I don't see the point, people use retard all the time anyway, so that battle has been lost a long time ago.

[Tallulah]

I just saw the movie. My personal philosophy is that all's fair in comedy. If you don't like stuff being made fun of, you can save yourself the $8.

I thought the "retard" stuff was obviously more of a statement about the kinds of clueless actors that Ben Stiller and Robert Downey, Jr. were playing. I thought it was hilarious.

[Magic Poriferan]

I haven't seen it, but I've read a lot about the situation here.
I think the controvery is wrong. People are totally missing the point. Ever single thing I've about the movie, from what the makers had to say, to excerpts from the film, show that the movie is making of the entertainment industry. It's not aimed at the people that are taking offense. The concept, by some ways of looking at it, is on their side! It's mocking the way Holywood uses Black people, and the mentally disabled, etc...

Again, I haven't seen it. It might be a shitty movie. The jokes might not work, or maybe you're just not impressed with its brand humor. All of that is fair enough. But I hate it when people so badly miss the point.

[cafe]

It looks really, really funny and I want to see it. Hope they play it at the dollar theater here.

[disregard]

When I saw it I had no idea Les Grossman (the aggressive, cursing producer) was Tom Cruise. That's awesome.

[ceecee]

I saw it yesterday. Hilarious. I also saw the protesters on Friday. I hadn't read anything about it at the time. I must say, protesting that scene (which was not about retarded people, it was about your awards chances decreasing when you go full on retard) was a pretty retarded thing in itself. Anyway, very, very funny and worth seeing.

[Edahn]

It was hilarious. The "retard" portrayal, to me, is really about portraying a stereotype and mocking that stereotype. It's kind of insensitive, but a protest is kind of a lame way of addressing it. They should just write letters to Ben Stiller explaining what he's doing and laying it out in a logical manner. My 2 cents.

[Zergling]

When I saw it I had no idea Les Grossman (the aggressive, cursing producer) was Tom Cruise. That's awesome.

You didn't recognize the voice? (I didn't fully realize it was Tom Cruise either, but i did recognize the voice, and was asking myself "Is that Tom Cruise they have playing this guy?")

[disregard]

I didn't recognise the voice. I was laughing too hard. I loved his character. Oh! The dancing! I was repulsed but so transfixed!

[Uberfuhrer]

I'm currently reading the VFXWorld article on the film. I'm deeply offended by some of the dodgy effects work.

[Tallulah]

I didn't recognise the voice. I was laughing too hard. I loved his character. Oh! The dancing! I was repulsed but so transfixed!

The dancing KILLED me. Worth the price of admission just for that.

[Nocapszy]

People who are offended by movies, unless it's something really egregious like shooting a naked woman in the face (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408306/), are retarded.

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[disregard]

I'm a lead farmer, motherfucka

[PinkPiranha]

I'm a lead farmer, motherfucka

rofl!

All I know is that I'd still make out with Robert Downey even acting like a dork in blackface.

[pure_mercury]

Saw it. Hilarious. Way to go Tom Cruise.

[ajblaise]

Awesome movie. Way funnier than I thought it would be. Jack Black is usually hit or miss with me, but he was my favorite in this film.

Favorite scene: When Stiller's adopted kid is on his back stabbing him with a knife and then Stiller throws him off a bridge.

[EJCC]

I haven't seen it, but it looked really funny. Except for the retard jokes. Because I know someone personally with down syndrome (and am friends with her), and therefore I'm really sensitive to that kind of thing. Personally, I don't think anyone should EVER use that word. EVER.:steam:

Edahn: You're probably right, but I can't get over my hatred of that word enough to appreciate the satire.

[EJCC]

You know what ALWAYS gets audiences outraged, though? Violence toward animals.

I have a theory about that: it's like hurting a baby. If that baby has ever done anything to hurt you, it was out of ignorance, and no matter how hurtful it may have been, that baby never could have deserved it. Ever. In a million years.

But then again, I'm such an animal lover that when I watched "I Am Legend", it felt like I was watching "Grave of the Fireflies". "I Am Legend" was one of only about five movies I've ever literally sobbed in (and three of them were before I was ten years old).

[Brooke]

I have a theory about that: it's like hurting a baby. If that baby has ever done anything to hurt you, it was out of ignorance, and no matter how hurtful it may have been, that baby never could have deserved it. Ever. In a million years.

But then again, I'm such an animal lover that when I watched "I Am Legend", it felt like I was watching "Grave of the Fireflies". "I Am Legend" was one of only about five movies I've ever literally sobbed in (and three of them were before I was ten years old).


I didn't watch I Am Legend because I heard about the end first... Also, I think I'm actually more okay with hurting babies in movies than animals.


KIDDING, geez.:D