Nocapszy's Enneagram

[Nocapszy]

What is it?

I don't know enough about enneagram to say shit, and I've suddenly become curious.


What enneagram am I? Don't bother asking me for a synopsis of my personality. It will be tainted, because I'm biased in observing myself.

Besides, it's not as if after having given a quick few paragraphs about myself, that anyone would really be able to thoroughly and accurately categorize me.

[Magic Poriferan]

8. Such an 8.
The closest thing you come to next to that is a really bossy 5.
It's possible that you are a 5 that seems like an 8 only because of the differences in the way a person acts online as oppose to in real life. But, you are one of the two, with behavior definitely seeming more like 8.

Incidentally, the Enneagram Institute said that the 8 is perhaps the easiest type to identify. So, that just reinforces it.

[Nocapszy]

One thing you all should know though, which I suspect hasn't quite breeched most peoples' consciousness -- I'm not nearly as austere as my demeanor might immediately suggest. I promise, it's mostly a facade...

That little point seems either to get by most people or there's just not enough evidence to tell one way or the other, so I thought I'd point it out.

[Nocapszy]

And MP is exactly the type I'm talking to.

Even despite that I think he's right, I think he might be for the wrong reasons.

[Magic Poriferan]

And MP is exactly the type I'm talking to.

Even despite that I think he's right, I think he might be for the wrong reasons.

There's a very specific name for that... it's a class of error, but I don't remember which it is.

Austere or not, I remember you talking about interaction with... I think it was your brother, actually... You believe a lot in productive fighting.

Oh... and you hate objective morality.

[CaptainChick]

8

[Haphazard]

I'll go ahead and bite. Gimme the paragraphs.

[Nocapszy]

No paragraphs.

Read my blog or something...

[Mondo]

From what I know of you.. 8w7 or 7w8..

[Nocapszy]

That's what the test I just took said too.
I'm not a proponent of test taking for confirmation, but I don't know enough about this bull yet to figure it out on my own.

I'd actually say I'm a 7w5.

[Uberfuhrer]

I'd actually say I'm a 7w5.

There is no such thing as a 7w5, only a 7 with a line to 5. You're either a 7w6 or 7w8.

[Nocapszy]

I have an idea. Tell me how I'm wrong, instead of just telling me that I'm wrong.

[PinkPiranha]

I say you smite him with your mind.

[entropie]

hey 7w8 is already mine ! xDD

I bet he is a Chess Player with wing in reflecting surfaces

But that is just a wild guess xD

[Magic Poriferan]

7w5 is an interesting choice because 7s and 5s are very different. I don't know exactly what one would get with two parts 7 and one part 5. You're tellins use that we get someone like you.

I say you seem a lot like an 8. I'm trying to figure out if some 7/5 mixture would logically appear to be like an 8. If it is similar, then the question is. is it similar enough to even bother calling a 7w5, or should we just call you 8 anyway?

You don't really seem to feign positivity enough to be a 7. You're too openly cynical. You don't pretend to be friendly either.

[Snail]

If it weren't for having to have the numbers connected by lines to the nearest number on either side, I'd be a 4w2, but since there isn't such an option, I'm just a 4w5. It doesn't seem as accurate, and I think the entire system is overly limited. Why shouldn't 7w5 or 4w2 be options if they seem to apply to people better than the traditionally accepted options. Would changing the rules make it more complex to figure out some other aspect of behavior?

[Magic Poriferan]

If it weren't for having to have the numbers connected by lines to the nearest number on either side, I'd be a 4w2, but since there isn't such an option, I'm just a 4w5. It doesn't seem as accurate, and I think the entire system is overly limited. Why shouldn't 7w5 or 4w2 be options if they seem to apply to people better than the traditionally accepted options. Would changing the rules make it more complex to figure out some other aspect of behavior?

Well, no. I recommend ignoring the conventional wing theory. I was just observing that of all the particular combinations, 7w5 combines two such different types that it's a little funky trying to imagine what the combination entails.

[Nocapszy]

If it weren't for having to have the numbers connected by lines to the nearest number on either side, I'd be a 4w2, but since there isn't such an option, I'm just a 4w5. It doesn't seem as accurate, and I think the entire system is overly limited. Why shouldn't 7w5 or 4w2 be options if they seem to apply to people better than the traditionally accepted options. Would changing the rules make it more complex to figure out some other aspect of behavior?

I have little faith in the proposed inherent structures of any psychological typing system.

We don't know enough.

Jung and enneagram types themselves seem to be similar in that they don't do much other than describe a specific behavior, without expounding too greatly on specific manifestations, leaving the door open for every possibility.

[Night]

Traditional format dictates that my type is closer to the 5w6 banner.

8 is closer to my normal behavior than 6. I share many more qualities with the archetypal 8 than I do with type 6.

I don't see the point in misrepresenting myself for the sake of adherence to tradition - especially within a formula constructed to test something as oblique as the Enneagram.

5w7 is how I see you.

[Nocapszy]

Well, no. I recommend ignoring the conventional wing theory. I was just observing that of all the particular combinations, 7w5 combines two such different types that it's a little funky trying to imagine what the combination entails.

Agree.
I still say I identify with those two more than 8, though CERTAINLY 8 is next on the list.

[Nocapszy]

I don't see as much difference between 7 and 5 as poriferan says there is.

They can help eachother. Learning how shit is, makes adventuring at lot easier. Adventuring gives you plenty of experience to learn the world.

I imagine it's far deeper than that, but on the surface, I don't see any real conflict. Contrast maybe, but... I'm kinda a contrast to myself a lot of the time.

[Magic Poriferan]

The problem is that 5s are generally passive avoiders, whereas 7s are aggressive pursuers.

The biggest difference between the 7 and 5, as well as the biggest difference between the 7 and what I see in you, is that 7s try to control their feelings for the sake of projection. They try to look happy, look nice, look confident, look enthusiastic, even when they really aren't. 5s are emotional supressers. Just to bring 8s into the mix, they are emotionall turbulent, angry, despairing people.

A funny thing about the Enneagram is that they try to package it like there are nine totally unique types. Of course, I realized that there were surely some variables I could chop it down into. By analyzing the "brief enneagram tests" I got an idea of what variables they use.

So, if you take their archetypical profiles as authority, then a Seven has to be a faker of positivity. Likewise, I found that, unlike many other traits that they supposedly have, false positivity was one of things that actually existed as the value of a variable. The other two types with the false positivity trait are Twos and Nines.

[Mondo]

I don't see as much difference between 7 and 5 as poriferan says there is.

The main difference between 7 and 5 is how they deal with their anxiety.
The 5 withdraws from the outside world while the 7 withdraws from the inner world.

[Haphazard]

Wouldn't 7w5 be a 7 on a good day, and a 5w7 be a 5 on a bad day?

It makes sense to scrap traditional wing theory, but then should we also scrap integration/disintegration? It seems like it'd work out better if wings could be any enneatype except the ones the type integrates/disintegrates to -- so a 7 could have a wing of any type except for 1 and 5, and a 5 could have any wing except 7 and 8, and so on.

[Nocapszy]

The main difference between 7 and 5 is how they deal with their anxiety.
The 5 withdraws from the outside world while the 7 withdraws from the inner world.

But what if I'm just never anxious?

I don't run away from my problems because I'm usually able to convince myself that they're not really problems.

When I do confess and submit, I do often withdraw.



Additionally, I'd say the source of anxiety would be play a large role in my reaction to it.

[Magic Poriferan]

But what if I'm just never anxious?

I don't run away from my problems because I'm usually able to convince myself that they're not really problems.

When I do confess and submit, I do often withdraw.



Additionally, I'd say the source of anxiety would be play a large role in my reaction to it.

The problem is that the whole pattern is already usually defined in one type. It's not about switching back and forth between core and wing. Still, the habit you describe is a possible trait of 7s. To hide knowledge of problems from oneself, and then run when it can't be hidden anymore.

We're still at the drawing board though, because 8s do something similar. They convince themselves that they can handle anything(not quite the same as pretending there aren't any problems) and then huddle down when they realize that they couldn't handle something.

[evan]

(didn't read anyone else's response)

i vote 7w8

i think the 8 wing is played out strongly online; it's like a persona. your thought processes seem much more 7ish (only because i know how you talk on AIM, everyone else sees complete/edited posts)

edit:
But what if I'm just never anxious?

I don't run away from my problems because I'm usually able to convince myself that they're not really problems.

hahaha soooo 7.

intellectualizing away your anxiousness because you'd rather not be bogged down by it.

[Nocapszy]

It seems pretty consistent that I'm 7 or 8.

[Magic Poriferan]

Well, in that case

Misidentifying Sevens and Eights

Sevens and Eights are both aggressive types and can resemble each other in certain respects. Both are powerful personalities who are able to go after what they want in life, but what they want, and how they attempt to get it, are different.

Sevens are primarily interested in variety–they want to sample as many different experiences as possible and become practical in as much as their practicality gives them the means to pursue the experiences they want to try.

Eights, by contrast, are more interested in intensity–they care less about variety than about having intense experiences that they enjoy. Eights are also interested in power, both as a way to maintain their independence and as a way of asserting their dominance in the environment. Sevens are not particularly interested in having power, seeing the work necessary to maintain it as possibly infringing on their freedom.

Eights are an Instinctive type, and as such, make decisions from their "gut" instincts. They prefer dealing with practical matters, and although emotionally volatile at times, generally remain grounded and down to earth. Sevens are Thinking types, and can have brilliant, quick minds. At the same time, Sevens can get ahead of themselves with their plans, schemes, and interests: they can have trouble staying grounded and on track with their projects. Sevens see themselves as idealistic optimists, while Eights see themselves as hard-nosed realists.

[Nocapszy]

I'm definitely not an 8.

[Magic Poriferan]

Oki-doki smokey.

Should we take your word on that, or just assume differently because people mistype themselves? :D

[Nocapszy]

Or maybe I'm just lying?

[untypable]

Why would you diverge false information if you want to find out your true type? That is illogical.

[wildcat]

There is no such thing as a 7w5, only a 7 with a line to 5. You're either a 7w6 or 7w8.
Both 6w7 and 6w5?
A faulty doctrine anyway.

The ultimate odd man is out:
A triangle does nor work without parity.

[Night]

Both 6w7 and 6w5?
A faulty doctrine anyway.

The ultimate odd man is out:
A triangle does nor work without parity.

Pay attention to this post.

[Nocapszy]

I always listen to wildcat.

I'll read up on sixes.

[Edahn]

sWv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf3vlOAc71o)


(Fo sho before your time. P.S. I know nothing about Enneagram. Not even sure I spelled it right.)

[Uberfuhrer]

I always listen to wildcat.

I'll read up on sixes.

6s and 8s are frequently mistyped. They can both be outgoing but the 6 is a mental type while the 8 is an instinctual type.

I could see a counterphobic 6 for you. 6 is also nicknamed the Devil's Advocate. ;)

[Nocapszy]

As flattering as it is that you call me Devil's Advocate, I can't say I'm a six.

It seemed to fit for a moment, but I decided it just wasn't right.

Plus, comparing myself to my 6 NFJ ... I just can't help myself but LOL.

[Nocapszy]

sWv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf3vlOAc71o)


(Fo sho before your time. P.S. I know nothing about Enneagram. Not even sure I spelled it right.)

Lovely.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Why is this here?

[Edahn]

Lovely.
Perhaps I'm missing something. Why is this here?

All I know about enneagram is that there's a 3-symbol code and one of them is a letter. *shrug* :D

[Uberfuhrer]

How about a 3?