INTx and bullying.

[Angry Ayrab]

I was discussing with an INTP friend the effects of the environment on personality development. He told me that INTx personalities were more likely to have been preyed upon by bullies. He says that because they are usually more in their head than being social, they would probably give off a non assertive image, which is something bullies pick up on. He then said that being treated unfairly probably lead them to being more T and valuing justice over anything.

I can’t find anything that in the literature that mentions this, so where the heck is he getting this (out of his ass I presume). Also, I would think that being picked on could possibly make you more of a feeler and in touch with the emotions of others because of how much emotional crap bullies can put you through. Then again, his argument makes sense to me, so have at it. What was your type and when you were a kid were you a bully, a victim, a bystander, etc…

Personally, I was the loudmouth that always had an idea up his sleeve to get everyone involved in doing something stupid. I always made sure to hang out with everyone, especially people who were shy. I also, did get in a lot of fights as a kid, with the self proclaimed tuff kids that picked on people, I really hated it. If I knew I would get in trouble fighting, I would just get them in a yo mama smack down. I always won because I knew how to get the crowd on my side even if my jokes were lame.

How about you?

[Haphazard]

Let's see...

Back in third grade, I was picked on by this one kid who was twice my size. He picked on everyone, though.

So what I decided to do was act all flirtatious towards him to confuse him. This was third grade, mind you.

What happened is that we both ended up in the office for bullying. Apparently he'd told on me. WTF.

[Angry Ayrab]

Let's see...

Back in third grade, I was picked on by this one kid who was twice my size. He picked on everyone, though.

So what I decided to do was act all flirtatious towards him to confuse him. This was third grade, mind you.

What happened is that we both ended up in the office for bullying. Apparently he'd told on me. WTF.

lmfao, how would an eight year old know how to flirt? Amazing, only an INTJ.

[Jack Flak]

What happened is that we both ended up in the office for bullying. Apparently he'd told on me. WTF.
This is common. No one thinks they're a bad person.

[istpunk]

I disagree on types being bullied. In a majority environment of INTs, I'm very sure they would bully someone who is ENFJ, ESFP, etc because they hold substantial control of their scope. And they would not bully in front of face, but would do so subtly in a passive way which is in fact bullying if you think about it.

You INTxs should not think you're much different, In my opinion the only introverts that truly stand up for other introverts fairly or try to do so would be ISxPs.

Also, true. ENFPs like to start up shit and imagine that others are out to get them. Everywhere on the internet they're seen as lovable bunnies, I know you guys inside you don't fool me one bit.

[Haphazard]

I have a feeling that INTx types may be too oblivious to realize they're being bullied too much. (Well... INTJs. Maybe not INTPs so much.)

[murkrow]

I got bullied a lot haha.

[Angry Ayrab]

I got bullied a lot haha.

I don't know, but ENTJ to me would seem like the ultra bully, or was that ESTJ?

Also, true. ENFPs like to start up shit and imagine that others are out to get them. Everywhere on the internet they're seen as lovable bunnies, I know you guys inside you don't fool me one bit.

Maybe a little true, I sure loved to start shit up with kids I percieved as acting like they were bad asses. I don't know why but that always got to me, I also knew how to get everyone on my side and make them seem like they started the crap.

[istpunk]

I had to revenge for one of my ENFP friends more than a couple times. I enjoyed attacking enemies of my friends. Especially ENTJs/ESTJs who talk nonsense all the fucking time.



Maybe a little true, I sure loved to start shit up with kids I percieved as acting like they were bad asses. I don't know why but that always got to me, I also knew how to get everyone on my side and make them seem like they started the crap.

[Didums]

INTs can be bullies too! Mental bullies! We'll screw with your brain so you look like this :shocking: and then your head will explode.

[murkrow]

I don't know, but ENTJ to me would seem like the ultra bully, or was that ESTJ?


that's ESTJ.

ENTJs can be bullies but we don't really fit with the scheme enough to be real popular ones.

I was bullied but that's not to say I didn't aggravate most of the dislike that was directed towards me, however the people I aggravated were never the ones who bullied me.

[Antisocial one]

From what I know INTx will be a victim of bullying if he/she is good and totally geeky.

But if he/she is dark, unsocial , odd and creepy even the bullys will avoid them.

[substitute]

You as a kid, in the OP, sound a lot like my brother.

When I was a kid I had severe shall we say, identity issues, which interfered a lot with what my interactions and behaviour might otherwise have been like. IOW my childhood was stolen from me by a congenital disorder that ruled it.

I was bullied a lot as a result of the disorder and as a result of the bullying I became withdrawn and extremely unsociable. However, being a strong extravert this did me no good at all and I became extremely depressed.

Much later, when I was almost leaving school, I made a bunch of friends among the misfits that didn't go to my school, so I had this double life of being life and soul of the social group outside school, and then the quiet, shy geek in school.

I've been told as an adult that I've bullied one or two people, though it wasn't my intention and I didn't realise I was doing it at the time and once it was pointed out I was mortified and immediately apologised to the person and tried to make amends.

Once you lose or overcome your social anxieties that come through various reasons, it's actually quite frightening how easy it is to fall into the trap of being a bully without realising it. I mean it's bizarre how behaviour that one person intends as benevolent can be taken so very differently by the person on the receiving end. This is why now I tend to like to hang out with people who are quite loud and assertive, because I feel sorta reassured that if I were overstepping my boundaries, they'd tell me in no uncertain terms, I don't have to fear with them that I might find out that all along when I thought we were friends and they were as happy as me, that they actually believed I was bullying them.

It's funny how quickly a person can forget, as I do sometimes, how something that now comes naturally to me (i.e. being assertive and stuff) can be so hard for another person to do, and that you can't behave in a way that takes for granted that people will tell you if they object.

[Jasdevi]

Also, true. ENFPs like to start up shit and imagine that others are out to get them. Everywhere on the internet they're seen as lovable bunnies, I know you guys inside you don't fool me one bit.

My sis is ENFP and she makes people thinks she's nice and makes people think i'm some anti-social freak and uncaring freak which i'm not.

[cafe]

My INT husband was bullied a lot more than I was and a lot worse. I flip out and turn into a raving, flailing psycho when people try to pull that crap with me. The contrast between that and my normal persona seemed to shock people and made them back off.

I also usually had friends, often big friends.

[ygolo]

I wonder if other INTx still feel like they are being bullied. I kind-of do. I was bullied often as a kid, but could hold my own in a fight, so the bullies moved on to my friends.

It seems like in most workplaces (at least at big American companies, or at least mine) have an ESJ mentality to the point the mottos and attitudes thrown around (especially when giving feedback at review time) are anti-IN (be more Extraverted, be more Sensing may not come out--actually "be more extroverted" was in several of my later reviews, I can use Si pretty well), and since it affects your livelyhood, and career (which is often important for INTs), it can feel like bullying.

[Angry Ayrab]

I wonder if other INTx still feel like they are being bullied. I kind-of do. I was bullied often as a kid, but could hold my own in a fight, so the bullies moved on to my friends.

It seems like in most workplaces (at least at big American companies, or at least mine) have an ESJ mentality to the point the mottos and attitudes thrown around (especially when giving feedback at review time) are anti-IN (be more Extraverted, be more Sensing may not come out--actually "be more extroverted" was in several of my later reviews, I can use Si pretty well), and since it affects your livelyhood, and career (which is often important for INTs), it can feel like bullying.

May god have mercy on you people. I could never work in a ESJ world. All those bullshit acronyms and posters of nice scenery with words like teamwork, responsibilty, honesty, integrity, and all kinds of SOP bullshit. Man I would die right there on the spot, if I was assigned to the sales task force for IBM or some other corporate enviornment. My father is the biggest ESTJ on Earth, and it was always his way or his way before I murder you rude little animals for being so ungratefull. Put it this way, if it involves any paper work or beauracracy or a standart way of doing things, and I am forced to do it that way, then I will consider it bullying.

[Kora]

I was bullied as a kid. I never talked to my schoolmates, because I felt nothing in common with them, and they felt like I was 'offending' them.
First it hurt me, because I felt terribly alone without nobody who could understand me and I didn't even want to go to school. But after some years, I realized that it made me stronger... and that I could counterattack them. I guess I become colder.
So, when I was like ten or eleven, I made cry one of my bulliers telling him that 'he was a good-for-nothing and he would be on drugs and end dead in a alley'.
My new brand bigmouth put me in a lot of trouble, though. It's not very smart to tell something quite offensive to some bully who is larger than you and is with four or more friends.
Luckily, my wit was liked by most teachers, and somehow they supported me. It also helped that my father is a very important figure in my town, I guess.

In the end, I'm quite happy that I got bullied. If they accepted me, maybe I would have become one of them.

[Haphazard]

ENTJs can be bullies but we don't really fit with the scheme enough to be real popular ones.

ENTJs are NTJs. That means that they may end up bullying people so they can getting what they want. ESTJs are more likely to do it for more 'social' reasons.

[nottaprettygal]

Don't bullies usually search for the sensitive and/or passive kid in the class? I couldn't imagine them getting the desired emotional reaction from an INT.

When I was bullied, I just came up with ways to avoid it (enter funny fat girl). Or when I was fed up, I would lash out with some insults that I had been gathering in my head. Apparently, they were pretty good because I was pretty much left alone after that.

Ps may react differently, but I think that INTJs would do their best to avoid being passively bullied.

[Schizm]

He took a swing at me. I pushed he down the bleachers. That was the end of it.

[Schizm]

him*

[murkrow]

HAHA!

Bad-aaaaaasss!

[heart]

Don't bullies usually search for the sensitive and/or passive kid in the class? I couldn't imagine them getting the desired emotional reaction from an INT.

When I was bullied, I just came up with ways to avoid it (enter funny fat girl). Or when I was fed up, I would lash out with some insults that I had been gathering in my head. Apparently, they were pretty good because I was pretty much left alone after that.

Ps may react differently, but I think that INTJs would do their best to avoid being passively bullied.

I tried ignoring my tormentors, I mean I would just act like they weren't there and say/do nothing as they gave their worst and all that did was drive them into new frenzies of trying to provoke me. It is not true when adults tell children that ignoring is the best way to go. Better to do as you did and lash back.

[runvardh]

My daddy taught me to give them and the system chances to work propery first. After a few failures I cut out the BS and gave them a chance to either talk to me or talk to my fist. By the time I hit high school I was the one the bullies p34rd. One dumb ass in grade nine was picking on a friend of mine, I told him to fuck off, he invited me to a "friendly chat" after school. I showed up, he didn't. :SaiyanSmilie_anim:

[Angry Ayrab]

I tried ignoring my tormentors, I mean I would just act like they weren't there and say/do nothing as they gave their worst and all that did was drive them into new frenzies of trying to provoke me. It is not true when adults tell children that ignoring is the best way to go. Better to do as you did and lash back.

If you let them step over you once, its over, they will keep riding over you till you cold cock em one day. I agree.

[heart]

If you let them step over you once, its over, they will keep riding over you till you cold cock em one day. I agree.

Yes. I think when kids bully or mob that they aren't always looking for "reaction" but rather a chance to bond with each other in the group action of dehumanizing and excluding someone.

They feel close in that moment of having a chosen common target and it makes them feel good. It is a social action as much as anything else.

It is also about feeling that there is someone "less" than they are and that makes them feel better about themselves. They aren't always exactly like internet trolls who troll for sheer reaction.

Therefore the conventional wisdom that, "don't give them a reaction and they'll move on" is false. They may not have been looking for reaction at all, but rather a target to focus bonding and venting on.

[cafe]

Yeah. I personally think the platitude that violence doesn't solve anything is a crock. If someone is bullying, the best thing you can do is come down fast and hard so they know it's going to cost them. Oftentimes that's enough.

[runvardh]

Violence - last resort, but not to be excluded. :cool:

[Wolf]

Yeah, I was.

Then a very large bully a couple grades older than me said they were going to beat me up at lunch recess that day...that time I had a plan.

After that, they didn't mess with me anymore.

Mine was due to racism more than my personality, though the fact I was a star pupil probably didn't help.

[Fuent]

From what I know INTx will be a victim of bullying if he/she is good and totally geeky.

But if he/she is dark, unsocial , odd and creepy even the bullys will avoid them.

So like you were?

[Antisocial one]

How did you come to this conclusion?

[pardo]

I was dark unsocial and blah blah too.

There was an idiot classmate in high school (1st year) who was starting to pick on me. One day I lost my nerves and hurled a heavy book in his eye. Lots of insults and menaces (and painXD) but teachers were nearby. When going home I expected an ambush in the courtyard but he wasn't there (as he said he would be). Coward, he was stronger than me. Maybe his eye ached too much lol (the day after, it looked indeed like a black eye:p).

And I was harassed a couple times by two other idiots from another class, on the way home. They were like pulling me back, saying stupid shit... I didn't know what to do with them. The first time they got me angry, maybe I shouted something at them, I don't remember. The second time I just ignored them and kept walking. Idiots.

And so I got past my youth without any good fights. What a shame. Sometimes I almost hoped someone would ambush me on the way to school. But there weren't real bullies in that neighborhood. That, or I wasn't looking like a loser enough for them.

[ygolo]

I was much smaller than the other kids, but because of that I could quickly grab onto the legs so that they would freak out.

The annoying thing was when they just started throwing rocks or food, and other crap at you from afar. Always in groups...cowards.

I think bullies just like to pick on kids that are different from them. My sister (ENFP) especially was picked on for the color of her skin. Girl bullies, I think, are more vicious, scratching and biting and that sort of thing.

I had an aquantance who had salt poured in his hair, I guess, for being a Math nerd.

Some kids became the butt of the jokes for everyone in school, due so amount of general weirdness. I always felt sorry for those kids.

Here again, I think girl bulies were more cruel, especially in high-school; they would fake interest in nerdy guys and laugh at them behind their backs. Or do some weird form of black-listing of particular girls that seem to hurt them quite badly, emotionally.

Then there were kids with huge backpacks or carried around stack of books and papers (I carried stacks, liked having stuff to read at the back of the classroom). People used to love smashing the stack down, and/or pulling down the kids with backpacks from behind (sent one to the emergency room).

Then, there was just general intimidation of younger kids. My middle school was next to the highschool, and we would pass by it on the walk home. They liked to flash knives and razor blades (I think that's what they were) just long enough to see the little kids run.

[Fuent]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Your phrasing and forum name.

[proteanmix]

I had an aquantance who had salt poured in his hair, I guess, for being a Math nerd.

Funny story.

I was never bullied in school but when I was in ninth grade one of the boys in my science class went to the back corner of the room with scissors. I sat at the back of the class and I heard him come up behind me but I didn't turn around. Then the whole class started laughing and I turned around and he was just standing behind me smirking.

I thought he cut my hair so then I started shacking my hair on the desk to see if he cut my ponytail or something. All these little hairs fell on my notebook and they were short and wiry and not mine.

He went into his pants, cut some of his pubes and sprinkled them on my head. I was absolutely stuck on stupid and started sputtering. I threw a piece of paper of him, called him a bitch ass bitch and pouted the rest of the class. :doh:

[Mondo]

Yea, people just love being so fucking intolerant.
I was bullied a little bit during elementary school.
They were soooooo retarded though!
I almost got this one group suspended for beating me up.. (they thought I would be too intimidated to tell on them, I think.)

[nottaprettygal]

He went into his pants, cut some of his pubes and sprinkled them on my head.

Eww. I feel like I would rather have my hair cut then have pubes put on my head.

Is that the 9th grade way of flirting?

[Mondo]

proteanmix: I think it's safe to say if that guy hasn't changed his behaviors that he is having much trouble getting laid.

[Antisocial one]

Your phrasing and forum name.

I was just sarcastic with my last post.

[Perseus]

There is a bullying forum at:
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/bullyonline/messages

I have introduced Personality Types into the discussion. It seems that all sorts can bully or be bullied.

However, the worst ones (my view) are ESTJ and ESFJ. The INXP is less likely to notice until the bullying gets very severe. Other bullying types identified have been ENTJ and ENFJ and even ISFJ (by Poison Pen) and INTJ (by secret underhand conniving).

So far ISTJ and INFJ have been moderately OK, although I suspect at least one ISFJ.

If the ESTP decided to bully (and they may do it using agents) they are likely to be very dangerous. I supect two of these using a ESFJ and ISFJ to do the dirty work on their behalf.

[Firelie]

I was never bullied at any point in my upbringing.

It's possible that it was due to my always being the "new kid" every time we moved, though.

In high school, some of my classmates told me about halfway through the year that they thought I was a psycho at first cuz I didn't talk much for the first few months of class. :D

[01011010]

I was quiet but very assertive. I think people were curious about me. Sometimes, a brave jock would try to engage me and I'd brush him off. I definitely wasn't bullied. Not part of any group either.

[Spartacuss]

I was discussing with an INTP friend the effects of the environment on personality development. He told me that INTx personalities were more likely to have been preyed upon by bullies. He says that because they are usually more in their head than being social, they would probably give off a non assertive image, which is something bullies pick up on. He then said that being treated unfairly probably lead them to being more T and valuing justice over anything.

I can’t find anything that in the literature that mentions this, so where the heck is he getting this (out of his ass I presume). Also, I would think that being picked on could possibly make you more of a feeler and in touch with the emotions of others because of how much emotional crap bullies can put you through. Then again, his argument makes sense to me, so have at it. What was your type and when you were a kid were you a bully, a victim, a bystander, etc…

Nah, I don't think so. I had a bully for all of 1 week in the third grade... until I whipped her fat ass. However, even before then, in preschool, I was obsessed with fairness and equality. I didn't have older siblings to bully me, so that's not it.
So nice try, but no. That may be the reason you can't find anything supporting that theory in the literature. :)

[ygolo]

Funny story.

I was never bullied in school but when I was in ninth grade one of the boys in my science class went to the back corner of the room with scissors. I sat at the back of the class and I heard him come up behind me but I didn't turn around. Then the whole class started laughing and I turned around and he was just standing behind me smirking.

I thought he cut my hair so then I started shacking my hair on the desk to see if he cut my ponytail or something. All these little hairs fell on my notebook and they were short and wiry and not mine.

He went into his pants, cut some of his pubes and sprinkled them on my head. I was absolutely stuck on stupid and started sputtering. I threw a piece of paper of him, called him a bitch ass bitch and pouted the rest of the class. :doh:

They only did this once right? That was definitely mean, and if he kept doing it, I would say you had a bullying experience.

I had a guy wipe his nuts with a napkin, and then my mouth with it. He only did it once, and annoying as it was, I didn't considering him a bully. I didn't like him. But he was more a troublemaker than a bully.

I think bullying is when someone gets into a routine of picking on a particular person.

[pardo]

I think bullying is when someone gets into a routine of picking on a particular person.
mmh actually if I take this definition then I was a bully too.. I constantly "stole" stuff from a certain female classmate and she hated it but I kept doing it.. I was a 11 year old stupid, but I didn't think I was really hurting her.. maybe I was.. someone should have just told me .-.

anyway I stopped when on a bad day THE WHOLE CLASS ganged up on me, stole all my stuff and started throwing it around......... that really felt like bullying, I almost cried because in truth I'm a very vulnerable person... bastards! But I deserved it lol..

[SquirrelTao]

From what I know INTx will be a victim of bullying if he/she is good and totally geeky.

But if he/she is dark, unsocial , odd and creepy even the bullys will avoid them.

I think this is true. My INTJ dh says that he was bullied in school until he grew his hair long, adopted a heavy metal style of dressing, and learned to act crazy. He says people will leave you alone if they think you're crazy. Plus he grew big. That brings up another interesting thing to ponder - what it's like to have been bullied as a kid but big and tough as an adult. Inside, is there always going to be a vulnerable, bullied kid? I think there is.

[Orangey]

Funny story.

I was never bullied in school but when I was in ninth grade one of the boys in my science class went to the back corner of the room with scissors. I sat at the back of the class and I heard him come up behind me but I didn't turn around. Then the whole class started laughing and I turned around and he was just standing behind me smirking.

I thought he cut my hair so then I started shacking my hair on the desk to see if he cut my ponytail or something. All these little hairs fell on my notebook and they were short and wiry and not mine.

He went into his pants, cut some of his pubes and sprinkled them on my head. I was absolutely stuck on stupid and started sputtering. I threw a piece of paper of him, called him a bitch ass bitch and pouted the rest of the class. :doh:

By God, I would've killed that kid (not literally of course, but at least inflicted some form of intense pain). I remember in the ninth grade this older kid thought it would be funny to toss some ranch salad dressing (they served it in little cups) at a couple of freshmen tables, and some happened to have landed on my backpack. The general grossness and insolence of it made me so angry that I got up and threw a cafeteria chair back his way. Being a generally quiet girl with good grades, all I received was a warning and some slight admonishment. He got a suspension (not that I think the punishment necessarily matched the crime, but it was satisfying nonetheless).

[htb]

In a majority environment of INTs, I'm very sure they would bully someone who is ENFJ, ESFP, etc because they hold substantial control of their scope.Would they bully, though; or give the cold shoulder?

[Angry Ayrab]

I think this is true. My INTJ dh says that he was bullied in school until he grew his hair long, adopted a heavy metal style of dressing, and learned to act crazy. He says people will leave you alone if they think you're crazy. Plus he grew big. That brings up another interesting thing to ponder - what it's like to have been bullied as a kid but big and tough as an adult. Inside, is there always going to be a vulnerable, bullied kid? I think there is.

This would be very interesting to hear about. Any former victims of bullying that grew up to be huge and or mean looking? What do you think of it?

The only reason I started this topic is because my INTP friend and I observed this young kid, that we really like, in our communitty being bullied and wanted to give him some good advice. Then next thing you know, we are disscussing the kids type, guessing he is an INTJ (14 years old) but who knows, and wondering how to do him a favor.

Eventually, I just scared the crap out of the little 17 year old picking on him, but I kinda felt like a bully because the kid was really seriously trembling when I got him. I did not hurt him or anything, I just grabbed him and barked all kinds of orders at him and other scary stuff, but the kid was really shook up. The bullies dad is my dads friend, so it didn't get too bad or anything, but I hope I don't cause any negative emotional effects in the bully, or cause backlash for the other kid.

I don't know... but anyway, that is why I wanted to hear some bullying perpictives and thank you for all who shared.

[Jughead]

I was never bullied. People didn't know what the hell to make of me - I was quiet, but not shy and generally didn't associate much with classmates, but I was pretty content, and people were puzzled by it.

[Antisocial one]

I think this is true. My INTJ dh says that he was bullied in school until he grew his hair long, adopted a heavy metal style of dressing, and learned to act crazy. He says people will leave you alone if they think you're crazy.

I did not have so classical things in mind when I have posted that post.
The things you have said can work for you or against you.

But if you go too far you are safe.

Most of the time I was the guy in gray who does not says anything. But from time to time I did some things that were far from anything normal.

For example taking my clothes of and walk through school like that. I was lucky because never any school employees saw my shows.

I did not pay too much attention to gender/toilet thing.

Once there was the school competition in: Who will do the most repulsive thing?
I won the contest with digging other peoples noses.

Back then video games were new thing but I did few essays on how I have played those games. Also I have added many violent details to show how things there really look like.
I got max grade for them because teacher loved my sarcasm.
But others have probably linked this with how I am so quiet all the time and probably they have created disturbing picture about me.
That is because they were spending more time with me then the teacher.

There are more exemples but I just want to prove my point, not brag about it.
My point is that if you do things like this everybody will keep their distance. My introversion really liked that.

But with time I have figured out that all of this is not my call because I have too much brain power too to stay like this.

[Enyo]

I was discussing with an INTP friend the effects of the environment on personality development. He told me that INTx personalities were more likely to have been preyed upon by bullies. He says that because they are usually more in their head than being social, they would probably give off a non assertive image, which is something bullies pick up on. He then said that being treated unfairly probably lead them to being more T and valuing justice over anything.

I was picked on. A lot. I was a skinny little girl with a lot of frizzy hair who used to be quite talkative. Never, ever non-assertive, though. And sometimes, the bullying would make me cry.

I learned the art of the snappy comeback, but learned to ignore my feelings (since they had no place in logic, didn't want to give the other person the satisfaction of knowing that it got to me, etc).

Maybe I learned the Vulcan feeling repression trick a little too well, because I completely don't understand feelings now. To the point that some people wonder if I have any.

[Dominicus Griswold]

Funny enough, I was never picked on in school. When I was a freshman, I beat the hell out of a group of three upperclassmen, just because I wanted to see if I could do it or not. The attack was not in the least bit personal and in the end, we all became associates of sorts.

[Snail]

I was continually and ruthlessly bullied in school, and I never became an INTP. I'm still an INFP, just a more damaged one than I might have otherwise been. I have met INTPs who feel that they were originally supposed to be INFPs, but reacted to extreme abuse at home by changing types. I'm not fully convinced that it's possible. If I could have just changed types to avoid some of the pain, I might have been tempted to do it. I couldn't. I am what I am, no matter how painful it is to be this. I did notice that the IN__ types were more likely to be bullied than ES__ types, but sometimes NTs were the bullies.

[entropie]

In germany we have a high breakdown of schools after the 4th grade. There are 3 school systems that range from easy, to medium, to high standard. High school, if I may say so, qualifies you for university after 12 years of school.

So we have not that much problems with school bullies, because the freaks go to one school most of the time.

but I had one iNTj guy on high school, I have founded later a company with him, when webdesign was in and we have made some money.

He developed against questions a formidable sense of humor. Well some would say, a cruel sense of humor but we all liked it. And yes there was one thing, why nobody dared to challenge him in any ways.

He wore t-shirts in the middle of winter, when it was like -2 degree celsius what is I guess -19 degree Fahrenheit xD.

I really liked him, he was a great guy xD

[nzAShadow]

I spent the entirety of my youth hoping someone would start something with me so I could embarrass them in a fight... everyone either ignored me or wanted to be my friend though, not a single fight in my life.:steam:

[Maabus1999]

Bullying was about only common in middle school. High school not really.

[animenagai]

i think introverts get bullied full stop. not sociable enough. though i was bullied too. that's just what happens when you're 'weird'.

[entropie]

I was never bullied. My dad gave me my first gun, when I was like 3. Then it accidently went off like 300 times.

It's all about a good lawyer xD

[Dwigie]

I am usually targeted although sometimes I'm so busy daydreaming I don't notice but when i was paying attention I'd fly off the handle, throwing books, cursing a lot and basically keep making my bully feel like crap until I felt better. Sometimes the tables were turned and I'd just have to yell at them to scare them away. This one guy bullied me before and I fought back, two years later i found him tearing up some kid's presentation and got pissed. He's the biggest bully I had ever seen, he turned this girl who liked him into his slave and humiliated her publicly by pulling her pants down during our annual "cross country" o.o I wanted to be just as mean to him. I went ballistic on him and scared the shit outta him then I told him it was just a joke, he looked like he was about to pass out but didn't dare answer back to me....What an ass...and a coward. I'm not very intimidating in person...really.(5'3...)

[silversun]

I used to be bullied by some black girl in 6th grade in gym class. I remember she pushed me too hard when we were playing tag football or something, and I'd go tell the teacher.

But last year in 12th grade I saw her pregnant and I don't think she graduated.

:devil: Sweet revenge.

[Uytuun]

I was "ignored" by the other girls for a short time at the end of elementary school. I simply raised my hand in class one day and told the teacher what was happening, we solved it in that class and that was that.

In highschool, I was respected (feared on some level?), but not necessarily liked by everyone (probably an accurate description of how people generally react towards INTJs). Never really had problems there.

[Cality]

Personally, I was the loudmouth that always had an idea up his sleeve to get everyone involved in doing something stupid.


I am still... The difference is that noone follows me anymore!


OK back to bullying. I am not sure, this is type-dependent.

[ajblaise]

I'm an INT but I didn't get bullied because I was always bigger than most of the kids in my grade. But inmy experience, it wasn't INT's that got bullied the most, it was ESF's and ENF's. People who were kind of annoying and were little in size, in way they asked for it. I even bullied two kids a little bit, both ESF's. I think they were annoying on purpose so as to get attention.

[MacGuffin]

I think of this whenever I see this thread:

http://www.ugo.com/movies/dont-sweat-it/movies/images/revenge-of-the-nerds.jpg
NERDS!!!

[Pavilion]

INFs get it bad too. It's just INs in general that I've found to be the most likely to be bullied.

The bullying I got was more along the lines of ostracization, both passive and aggressive. It turned me into a ghost, I just went through high school invisible to everyone. There were always those few inevitable moments of social interaction though and one day it happened to be with an ENTP who sized me up (as ENTPs do) and I guess I "passed the test" because the next thing I knew I was getting invited over to his house. I was resistant at first but in time I relented and the next thing I knew I was being introduced to his long-time INTJ friend and my social life kinda took off from there.

If I had to guess though, INT women probably get it the worst. INs may have a hard time in elementary school but that seems to change once high school comes around (well, they'll at least have someone to be bullied with). Not always the case with female INTs though, I've noticed. And maybe it extends beyond high school, I wouldn't know, I'm only 19.

[LunarMoon]

I wouldn't be surprised. Their Introversion could easily be read by bullies as shy, unassertiveness and the fact that they're NTs causes them to appear weird to anyone who values conformity, which seems to be a fairly large amount of bullies. Male bullies tend to have strongly held, traditional notions of masculinity while girls bully in order to establish an identity within a group.

Also, true. ENFPs like to start up shit and imagine that others are out to get them. Everywhere on the internet they're seen as lovable bunnies, I know you guys inside you don't fool me one bit.
I know two tested ENFPs and both are stereotypically passive Intuitive Perceivers in that they could almost be mistaken for INFPs. Both have unusually strong values and I can't imagine that the secondary Fi would allow them to screw people over in the way you described.

Would they bully, though; or give the cold shoulder?

I'd imagine that's the 'passive bullying' istpunk was describing though as he said they really are one in the same. In the adult world we call that "ostracism (http://books.google.com/books?id=2_C_d7IBOqQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=ostracism&sig=ACfU3U2yJLFTG1Nf4X0pXPrpEBxNLljOlQ)". In my world we just call it being a douchebag.

[mlittrell]

INTJ - I could see them getting bullied but maybe acting back in a way
INTP - Proably wouldn't act back. Might though.
ENTJ - I don't think they would bully without a reason.
ENTP - ? dunno lol doubt it
INFP - I could seem them getting bullied more then anyone
ENFP - Same. Probably for saying something off the wall.
INFJ - Dunno. Probably.
ENFJ - Dunno. Probably.

I could see XSFP's and XSTP's doing more bullying then anyone --> aka jocks

but i dont want to limit anything to any personality so take with a grain of salt

[Sinister Scribe]

I'm an INTJ - on the extreme end of introversion - and I was bullied through school. It was the worst in elementary school where some of the teachers didn't give a care about what was happening. Sure, they stopped and severely punished physical violence, but they wouldn't do anything about extensive teasing and anything that didn't turn physical. I suppose my introversion and the fact that I didn't like to spend time around people (I still don't) made me a good target. You learn to fight back, but that doesn't always work, especially if you're smaller than whoever the bully is. Oftentimes the person who fights back is seen as the aggressor.

I hate to say this, but it didn't get a whole heck of a lot better when I entered middle school or high school. There were a large group of kids who would emotionally and verbally bully those who weren't popular or sociable or whatnot. Main thing that did change by the time I got into later high school was I found something about which I was really passionate (yes, it IS possible for an INTJ to have passionate feelings about something...) and I buried myself there and cut off most of the rest of the world.

I'll admit outright that I'm not necessarily a very nice person, so I've probably inadvertently (or purposefully?) bullied certain people. Not that I'm going to admit if I've done that deliberately.

On a more serious note, I tend to get back at people in ways they wouldn't expect. I'm neither physically strong nor all that coordinated, so intellect, sarcasm and wit are all I have to use towards my advantage.

BTW, I'm a female INTJ on the very introverted end of things.