Attraction to passionate/aggressive women.

[murkrow]

So for the first time that I can remember I was attracted to a woman today on a non-physical basis.

She was this 30 something white woman with a blonde bob on the metro. She was talking to her rather chunky and obviously uninterested male friend (possibly romantic interest) about her day at work.

Basically she was explaining a story that highlighted the uselessness of her coworkers as well as her take charge and decisive capabilities, but the passion she showed was just so exhilarating! She was obviously quite frustrated with her workers, but her expressiveness showed a real zest.

Whenever I see moderately attractive (and up) women being passionate about something and enjoying it I get excited.

It's not that I want a domineering woman to take charge of me, I'm not sure what it is exactly.

I love me a firecracker.

Anyone else have this tendency?

[proteanmix]

*Waits for CaptainChick to proclaim and aggressive and passionate she is.*

[sassafrassquatch]

I like 'em strong willed and opinionated. :D

[heart]

I like 'em strong willed and opinionated. :D

Anne Coulter?

[sassafrassquatch]

Anne Coulter?

:eek:

Try Janeane Garofalo.

[murkrow]

I like Janeane Garofalo too!

[murkrow]

hm...

[CaptainChick]

*Waits for CaptainChick to proclaim and aggressive and passionate she is.*
I am the furthest thing from being either passionate or aggressive!!!

I am a complacent pacifist.

I live to defer and prefer silence over dissent.

I have no voice, and no thoughts or opinions.

Rather, I smile and nod my vacant head often.

:yes:

[Victor]

So for the first time that I can remember I was attracted to a woman today on a non-physical basis.

She was this 30 something white woman with a blonde bob on the metro. She was talking to her rather chunky and obviously uninterested male friend (possibly romantic interest) about her day at work.

Basically she was explaining a story that highlighted the uselessness of her coworkers as well as her take charge and decisive capabilities, but the passion she showed was just so exhilarating! She was obviously quite frustrated with her workers, but her expressiveness showed a real zest.

Whenever I see moderately attractive (and up) women being passionate about something and enjoying it I get excited.

It's not that I want a domineering woman to take charge of me, I'm not sure what it is exactly.

I love me a firecracker.

Anyone else have this tendency?

I have noticed that passionate and aggressive women are the same as passionate and aggressive men - both are strong on the outside but weak on the inside.

After all, the worst are full of passionate intensity.

[sassafrassquatch]

passionate and aggressive women...are strong on the outside but weak on the inside.

They have a creamy nougat center?

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z9/rabidhominid/homer-drool-702026.gif

[CzeCze]

Wha -- wow, I just noticed you 'turned' ESFP Victor. :)

Wouldn't you consider yourself a passionate type yourself?

For me, there are many different kinds and expression of 'passionate and aggressive'

[Maabus1999]

I have noticed that passionate and aggressive women are the same as passionate and aggressive men - both are strong on the outside but weak on the inside.

After all, the worst are full of passionate intensity.

Yep, and if you ever burst their bubble...yeah be prepared to pick up the pieces of the breakdown that is about to happen. Just be nice if you can but sometimes hard (for me) not to say something stupidly blunt.

However I do enjoy a passionate person immensely. The drive they can have I can relate to about when I get into one of my own selfish but passionate discussion with those who will listen to my endless rapport.

[Trinity]

*passionately slaps murkrow*

How you like them apples :D

[Jeffster]

Wait, there's guys that AREN'T attracted to passionate women? :huh:

[CaptainChick]

Wait, there's guys that AREN'T attracted to passionate women? :huh:
Yeah, they're called homosexuals. ;)

[digesthisickness]

So for the first time that I can remember I was attracted to a woman today on a non-physical basis.

She was this 30 something white woman with a blonde bob on the metro. She was talking to her rather chunky and obviously uninterested male friend (possibly romantic interest) about her day at work.

Basically she was explaining a story that highlighted the uselessness of her coworkers as well as her take charge and decisive capabilities, but the passion she showed was just so exhilarating! She was obviously quite frustrated with her workers, but her expressiveness showed a real zest.

Whenever I see moderately attractive (and up) women being passionate about something and enjoying it I get excited.

It's not that I want a domineering woman to take charge of me, I'm not sure what it is exactly.

I love me a firecracker.

Anyone else have this tendency?

psh. you just like thinking they'd be like that on your dick.

[heart]

psh. you just like thinking they'd be like that on your dick.

Which doesn't necessarily follow.

[digesthisickness]

Which doesn't necessarily follow.

her actually being on his dick at some point doesn't necessarily follow either. but, the thoughts tend to exist happily independent of that fact.

[Hmm]

Interesting thread.

First, I want to say, Rosie O'Donnell anyone?

Second,

It's not that I want a domineering woman to take charge of me

Yes, you do, sexually.


Third, before I read this thread, the first thing I noticed was how in the title of this thread, he associated aggression with passion in women. As Victor also mentioned, this is the same reason why so many women gravitate to "bad boys". They perceive "bad boys" to be aggressive and aggressive = passionate to them. And passionate is what they seek.

[Jack Flak]

Re: OP, you must like Elaine from Seinfeld. Whenever I'm around someone like that IRL, I want to kill... myself, we'll say myself.

[Perseus]

Firecracker: they call them the Fire Horse (ESFJ). Call the Brigade to take turns. Then put her in a prison.

[murkrow]

Interesting thread.

First, I want to say, Rosie O'Donnell anyone?

Second,



Yes, you do, sexually.


Third, before I read this thread, the first thing I noticed was how in the title of this thread, he associated aggression with passion in women. As Victor also mentioned, this is the same reason why so many women gravitate to "bad boys". They perceive "bad boys" to be aggressive and aggressive = passionate to them. And passionate is what they seek.

There's no honor in taming mice.

[CaptainChick]

Third, before I read this thread, the first thing I noticed was how in the title of this thread, he associated aggression with passion in women. As Victor also mentioned, this is the same reason why so many women gravitate to "bad boys". They perceive "bad boys" to be aggressive and aggressive = passionate to them. And passionate is what they seek.
You bring up an interesting distinction.

By most people's standards, my sister is definitely what you'd call an aggressive girl, no, an aggressive person. She is domineering and generally insensitive to other people's needs/feelings, also, I wouldn't necessarily call her a passionate person per se, (she's not really passionate about anything in particular), but she does have a zest for life and a voracious appetite for sensate pleasures. And she is definitely fiery. I don't really think she has the most attractive personality, but, much to my disbelief, there are guys out there who are incredibly attracted to it/her.

To each his own, I guess. :D

[runvardh]

Eh, aggressive women can be hot to watch, but my preference is for the women who display their passions in private before moi seulement. True beauty is to be lovingly unwrapped ^_^

[Hmm]

There's no honor in taming mice.

There's no honor in hate fucking.

You bring up an interesting distinction.

By most people's standards, my sister is definitely what you'd call an aggressive girl, no, an aggressive person. She is domineering and generally insensitive to other people's needs/feelings, also, I wouldn't necessarily call her a passionate person per se, (she's not really passionate about anything in particular), but she does have a zest for life and a voracious appetite for sensate pleasures. And she is definitely fiery. I don't really think she has the most attractive personality, but, much to my disbelief, there a guys out there who are incredibly attracted to it/her.

To each his own, I guess. :D

Not speaking about your sister but my experience has been that some aggressive people only have negativity to give and nothing more. And other aggressive people are capable of being positive.

[CaptainChick]

There's no honor in taming mice.

There's no honor in hate fucking.
Hmm, being the woman that I am, I tend to attract and be attracted to men who are driven by the challenge of "taming" me. I am a confident and intelligent, passionate and assertive woman. And I also am a recovering misandrist. :P

I appreciate men who appreciate my challenging them.

And, um, "love/hate-fucking", don't knock it 'til you've tried it. ;)

[MetalWounds]

There's no honor in hate fucking.

While the "honor" in hate fucking might be up for debate, the enjoyment factor certainly isn't. As long as you don't happen to hate them for having venereal disease.

[murkrow]

There's no honor in hate fucking.


I don't hate them, I fuckin' love 'em.

[digesthisickness]

i think you love the thought of taming 'that which cannot be tamed by most mortals'. the thought of having a woman like that bow down to your peeny weeny. like she'll be so overcome by your greatness that instead of biting it off like she usually does, she'll thank you afterwards.

i.e. it's yourself that you love and "she's" the kind of tool that could justify it.

[heart]

i think you love the thought of taming 'that which cannot be tamed by most mortals'. the thought of having a woman like that bow down to your peeny weeny. like she'll be so overcome by your greatness that instead of biting it off like she usually does, she'll thank you afterwards.

i.e. it's yourself that you love and "she's" the kind of tool that could justify it.

:cry: I think this is true...man oh man the world is bleak out there. :cry:

[murkrow]

i think you love the thought of taming 'that which cannot be tamed by most mortals'. the thought of having a woman like that bow down to your peeny weeny. like she'll be so overcome by your greatness that instead of biting it off like she usually does, she'll thank you afterwards.

i.e. it's yourself that you love and "she's" the kind of tool that could justify it.

Ugh, I knew taming has a poor metaphor to bring up.

The reason for attraction to passionate women is the fact that they won't simply take the little girl position in the relationship. Too many women are passive and pleasing, that's not what I want.

So yeah, I want there to be a little bit of a struggle in sex, sue me! I don't see what I have to gain in shutting away that primal rape instinct I have, why not simply mesh it with my "civilized" life?

It is possible to love both yourself and another, and some amount of self love is absolutely necessary if you are going to pursue someone you respect. Yes, I am attempting to make use of the strength of my character in the pursuit of passionate and strong women, but that does not mean that I don't genuinely value those qualities.

All dynamics of attraction can be broken down to embarrassing and insulting terms displaying the sometimes intolerable infancy of sexuality, but if you realize that these dynamics are inseparable from sex then you can stop insulting them and start utilizing them.

I am interested in finding a person who I mesh with sexually and personally, and I can only mesh personally with a person of exceptional mettle, which conveniently also produces a superior sexual partner.

I'm sorry my desires line up so perfectly, it makes them far easier for you to criticize.

[digesthisickness]

eh. you're too quick to clumsily attempt to explain yourself for a woman like that to respect you.

a better response would have been a simple, "and?"

just get out of the fucking way and let me do it. damn.

[murkrow]

If you want to have a discussion with yourself then go find a mirror.

[digesthisickness]

If you want to have a discussion with yourself then go find a mirror.

"she" said that to you once, and you didn't have a response, right? so, you thought it was all cool, and use it now.

[murkrow]

No, had she I would probably still be with her.

[digesthisickness]

No, had she I would probably still be with her.

chin up. i'm sure the right one is out there.

[MacGuffin]

eh. you're too quick to clumsily attempt to explain yourself for a woman like that to respect you.

:shock:

ENTJ: Wildly overconfident they know exactly what to do. The woman will finish the job later, alone.

[nottaprettygal]

Damn, digest. You are just embodying the essence of this thread.

And. . . I think I like it. :thinking:

[digesthisickness]

Damn, digest. You are just embodying the essence of this thread.

And. . . I think I like it. :thinking:

rawr!

[CaptainChick]

Ugh, I knew taming has a poor metaphor to bring up.

The reason for attraction to passionate women is the fact that they won't simply take the little girl position in the relationship. Too many women are passive and pleasing, that's not what I want.

So yeah, I want there to be a little bit of a struggle in sex, sue me! I don't see what I have to gain in shutting away that primal rape instinct I have, why not simply mesh it with my "civilized" life?

It is possible to love both yourself and another, and some amount of self love is absolutely necessary if you are going to pursue someone you respect. Yes, I am attempting to make use of the strength of my character in the pursuit of passionate and strong women, but that does not mean that I don't genuinely value those qualities.

All dynamics of attraction can be broken down to embarrassing and insulting terms displaying the sometimes intolerable infancy of sexuality, but if you realize that these dynamics are inseparable from sex then you can stop insulting them and start utilizing them.

I am interested in finding a person who I mesh with sexually and personally, and I can only mesh personally with a person of exceptional mettle, which conveniently also produces a superior sexual partner.

I'm sorry my desires line up so perfectly, it makes them far easier for you to criticize.
Congratulations!!!

This is the first post of yours that I have read and that I've found to be both valuable and insightful.

:)

[runvardh]

*looks at digest's posts*

hmmm, maybe the sore arm is worth what holding the shield up can get...

[murkrow]

Congratulations!!!

This is the first post of yours that I have read and that I've found to be both valuable and insightful.

:)

Liar.

[ThatGirl]

a better response would have been a simple, "and?"

Followed by "I know you are but what am I!"

There's no honor in taming mice.

Are you comparing women to rodents?


I think everyone knows my thoughts on the matter. Guys say they like strong woman then run like dog with their tail between their legs when confronted head on with one.

[heart]

I don't think they necessarily mean "strong women", what I think they mean is spitfire, hissing kittens.

[murkrow]

Argh, are all women pessimists?!

[heart]

Argh, are all women pessimists?!

My latest reply was not meant to be pessimistic. There's lots of very nice hissing kittens out there.

[murkrow]

My latest reply was not meant to be pessimistic. There's lots of very nice hissing kittens out there.

Claiming that men don't want strong women and only those with a mask of strength is pessimistic and insulting.

[heart]

Claiming that men don't want strong women and only those with a mask of strength is pessimistic and insulting.

Depends on what you consider to be "strong"

I'd rather see people be honest at the very least.

There's so much political correctness now about men and women and sexual attraction and what people feel they can admit to wanting.

[htb]

What if "strong woman" were defined by benching 350?

[booyalab]

I don't think they necessarily mean "strong women", what I think they mean is spitfire, hissing kittens.

I'm not so sure that self-proclaimed "strong women" don't mean that. But then I'm suspicious of habitual self-proclamation. I think honest people let their behavior speak for itself.

[CaptainChick]

I'm not so sure that self-proclaimed "strong women" don't mean that. But then I'm suspicious of habitual self-proclamation. I think honest people let their behavior speak for itself.
Actions speak louder than words, yes.

But, um does, or even can this rule apply to/within a forum setting???

[heart]

I'm not so sure that self-proclaimed "strong women" don't mean that. But then I'm suspicious of habitual self-proclamation. I think honest people let their behavior speak for itself.

Well, I am not particularly "strong" and don't try to pretend to be. But I do know *some* of the women who say they are "strong" are really mostly sass, which is fine if they know it, but sometimes they write checks with their mouth that their arse cannot cash.:D (I am talking about in real life, not here on the forum)

[CaptainChick]

Well, I am not particularly "strong" and don't try to pretend to be. But I do know women who say they are "strong" and its mostly sass, which is fine if they know it, but sometimes they write checks with their mouth that their arse cannot cash.:D
I agree, with much dismay, that many people have and project skewed images of themselves.

But, not ALL of us do, I know my strengths and I know my weaknesses.

And I happen to be a strong, opinionated, assertive woman, granted, I also happen to be bat-shit insane, irresponsible and lazy (lazy in regards to avoiding, or refusing to do anything I don't want to), lol so perhaps I am also a brat!!! :)

Point being: Some of us speak and write with sincere intentions of relaying what we perceive to be true.

[murkrow]

Depends on what you consider to be "strong"

I'd rather see people be honest at the very least.

There's so much political correctness now about men and women and sexual attraction and what people feel they can admit to wanting.

If strength of character and personality(and that's what I'm talking about, not physical strength) isn't displayed through honesty then I don't know where to find it.

[booyalab]

Actions speak louder than words, yes.

But, um does, or even can this rule apply to/within a forum setting???

I wasn't talking about the forum setting specifically, but I think so. i.e. Uber's self-love thread. (which I happily participated in :D )

[heart]

If strength of character and personality(and that's what I'm talking about, not physical strength) isn't displayed through honesty then I don't know where to find it.

See the thing is in your OP here, for a moment I wondered if you had seen my sister-in-law, then I remembered she's over 40. :D

Time and experience is all that can tell true strength of character, but then people tend to have different measures of what strength of character means.

[murkrow]

See the thing is in your OP here, for a moment I wondered if you had seen my sister-in-law, then I remembered she's over 40. :D

Time and experience is all that can tell true strength of character, but then people tend to have different measures of what strength of character means.

Haha, okay I'll wait until a woman dies before judging her then.

[heart]

Haha, okay I'll wait until a woman dies before judging her then.

My goodness, from a chance encounter on a bus to needing to wait until someone dies. :D

[Victor]

I don't see what I have to gain in shutting away that primal rape instinct I have...

Here, we would lock you up.

[PinkPiranha]

Here, we would lock you up.

Dear God. For once I agree with Victor.

Primal rape instinct? What a hideous sub-human barbaric thing to say.

[heart]

Here, we would lock you up.


To be fair, he didn't say he would rape someone, he just said he liked a bit of playful tussle in the bedroom. (At least that was how I read it.)

No Byronic Heros in Aussie, eh? Pity.

[Jack Flak]

Primal rape instinct? What a hideous sub-human barbaric thing to say.
Barbarians are people too.

[murkrow]

Here, we would lock you up.

You lock up people for things they don't choose?

[heart]

You lock up people for things they don't choose?

They must already have thought crimes there. :shock:

Maybe JJJ can expound on it.

[PinkPiranha]

There's a huge difference between "wrestling" around with someone and calling it a rape instinct.

Byron never had to force himself on anyone. Try it sometime.

[murkrow]

There's a huge difference between "wrestling" around with someone and calling it a rape instinct.

Byron never had to force himself on anyone. Try it sometime.

You can hate me if you want.

What's taken is sweeter than what's given, I know for a fact that there are women who seek to fill the other role in this dynamic.

I'm not a rapist, I'm a conscientious beast.

[PinkPiranha]

I don't bother to hate strangers.

[heart]

When I think Byronic hero I tend to think of the literature Byron created and others after him, not the man himself and no I would not count actual rape as a Byronic trait, just the underlying untamed instincts there. There's certainly an underlying violence in the Rothschester and Heathcliff, not the actual act, just the underlying desire to take what they want from the world.

Byron himself didn't sound very nice to his women, especially Annabella, who did in fact accuse him of rape.

To be fair Murkow didn't say he has or would ever rape anyone either.

[PinkPiranha]

It goes to proof, Heart my friend. His words add up. This is one wild animal that smells rot in the air.

[CaptainChick]

I'm not a rapist, I'm a conscientious beast.
In other words, you are a Manimal.

:D

[Victor]

Murkow didn't say he has or would ever rape anyone either.

Gosh, and you believe him?

Rape forms the very basis of patriarchy.

And here we have a bloke valourizing his, "rape instinct", and his, "bestiality".

And he is doing it hiding behind a pseudonym.

And you trust what he says?

[PinkPiranha]

Rape forms the very basis of patriarchy.

And he's in love with the idea. I agree with Victor again.

There's true power, then there's subjugation. What secrets sleep in the heart of a man that don't surface at last?

[murkrow]

Gosh, and you believe him?

Rape forms the very basis of patriarchy.

And here we have a bloke valourizing his, "rape instinct", and his, "bestiality".

And he is doing it hiding behind a pseudonym.

And you trust what he says?

BESTIALITY?!

...

Victor I swear to god...

I am not a rapist.

You are an ignorant and unimaginative human being.

[Jack Flak]

I think what murkrow was referring to is more commonly known as a "sex drive." Being flavorful with word choice can really offend the PC types though, as has been illustrated.

[runvardh]

I find it entertaining to watch an ENTJ back pedal; though I do feel a little bad for you, murkrow

[Victor]

Victor I swear to god...

I am not a rapist.


You can prove it by asking for a Police Report listing all charges made against you.

And you can freely publish your Police Report here.

Or you can continue to hide behind a pseudonym.

[heart]

Gosh, and you believe him?

Rape forms the very basis of patriarchy.

And here we have a bloke valourizing his, "rape instinct", and his, "bestiality".

And he is doing it hiding behind a pseudonym.

And you trust what he says?

I don't see the need to judge him guilty of a barbaric act just because he's admitted to having a trace of the barbaric in his make up. All he said was he liked a "firecracker" of a woman who would offer him a challenge because he's got a trace of the barbaric in him and wants a little edginess there.

That's a far cry from him posting that he'd really like to rape someone, much less saying that he'd actually do it.

I think it is far safer and better for people to be honest with themselves about their shadow sides.

Now I don't think it is necessarily wise for people to go around admitting on message boards to their darker sides because of reactions like you've just shown here.


I find it entertaining to watch an ENTJ back pedal; though I do feel a little bad for you, murkrow

I do too because I don't think he actually meant it quite how it would be taken.

[proteanmix]

OK, so I guess all the EJs are gonna come out and play.

Even though Murkrow has shown himself to be nothing less than a jackass in his few short weeks on the forum, I don't think he was saying he wanted to rape anyone. It's the whole conquerer/conquest thing going on. I don't fault people for feeling that way because, hey, sometimes I feel that way.

Why can't a man express honestly express that desire?

[murkrow]

I find it entertaining to watch an ENTJ back pedal; though I do feel a little bad for you, murkrow

BACK PEDAL?!

I HAVE NOT TAKEN A WORD BACK!


I STAND BY EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID AND I HOPE THAT THE FOOLS THAT MAKE UP THIS IDIOTIC ATTACK AGAINST ME SPEND THE REST OF THEIR DAYS IN THEIR BLIND STUPOR.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THE CLARITY OF CHARACTER I ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE PREFERENCES I HAVE NOT CHOSEN.

[Jack Flak]

You can prove it by asking for a Police Report listing all charges made against you.

And you can freely publish your Police Report here.

Or you can continue to hide behind a pseudonym.
My God, man. Pull yourself together.

[runvardh]

BACK PEDAL?!

I HAVE NOT TAKEN A WORD BACK!


I STAND BY EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID AND I HOPE THAT THE FOOLS THAT MAKE UP THIS IDIOTIC ATTACK AGAINST ME SPEND THE REST OF THEIR DAYS IN THEIR BLIND STUPOR.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THE CLARITY OF CHARACTER I ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE AND CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE PREFERENCES I HAVE NOT CHOSEN.

Eh, the caps were not necessary... ^_^

[Victor]

Why can't a man express honestly express that desire?

Sure, why can't a man honestly express his desire for rape?

And why shouldn't any man honestly express his desire to rape a child?

The answer is simple - because we will hunt you down and put you in prison.

[murkrow]

Sure, why can't a man honestly express his desire for rape?

And why shouldn't any man honestly express his desire to rape a child?

The answer is simple - because we will hunt you down and put you in prison.

Umm, no.

It is incredibly immoral to put someone in prison for anything short of action.

[heart]

30 percent of women in some studies report rape fanatsies. I certainly don't believe this means those women actually WANT to be raped. It's a fanatsy. I would think the same for men who admit to having similar fantasies. The senarios would be very different from what an actual, real life rape would be for the main thing. It would be more like power exhange.

They don't want these things any more than the man reading a spy novel where the hero is captured and tortured REALLY wants to be captured and tortured himself.

I think the unfortunate thing here was the selection of the word "rape" on a public forum where there are so many people with different life experiences and some of them have experienced actual violenece and therefore the idea of the word rape being used to describe a playful, power exchange senario is not appreciated and feels threatening and insulting. that's just my take on it.

[heart]

Sure, why can't a man honestly express his desire for rape?

And why shouldn't any man honestly express his desire to rape a child?

The answer is simple - because we will hunt you down and put you in prison.

For one thing victor, he never said "I want to rape someone for real"

[Victor]

...the idea of the word rape being used to describe a playful, power exchange scenario...

To describe rape as as playful, power exchange scenario is simply seduction. It is a seduction of the mind. It is as seduction of innocence.

It is to make the idea of rape acceptable to the mind first because thought comes before action.

Rape is a crime.

[Hmm]

I'm confused how this thread basically started out with "I want to be raped by a woman" then morphed to "I want to rape a woman". Unless I misunderstood the original message.

[murkrow]

I'm confused how this thread basically started out with "I want to be raped by a woman" then morphed to "I want to rape a woman".

I think you misread the opening post.

[proteanmix]

Sure, why can't a man honestly express his desire for rape?

And why shouldn't any man honestly express his desire to rape a child?

The answer is simple - because we will hunt you down and put you in prison.

Victor dear I usually find what you say to be very interesting, but I must disagree with you here.

How would you suggest acknowledging the baser, more instinctual aspects of sex without using the word "rape"?

[murkrow]

Victor I'd really appreciate it if you changed your avatar, connecting wildlife to yourself is inspiring ideas of animal cruelty in me.

[heart]

To describe rape as as playful, power exchange scenario is simply seduction. It is a seduction of the mind. It is as seduction of innocence.

It is to make the idea of rape acceptable to the mind first because thought comes before action.

Rape is a crime.

Yes, victor, rape IS a crime. When someone is raped. Rape is not power exchange or play. Rape is rape.

[Victor]

I'm confused how this thread basically started out with "I want to be raped by a woman" then morphed to "I want to rape a woman".

To change, "I want to be raped by a women", to, "I want to rape a woman", is the simplest of transformations.

And of course they know it is wrong to say, "I want to rape a woman", so the mind engages in the most elemental of self deception and changes the words to, "I want to be raped by a woman".

And although it is very easy to change the words, the desire shines through.

[heart]

To change, "I want to be raped by a women", to, "I want to rape a woman", is the simplest of transformations.

And of course they know it is wrong to say, "I want to rape a woman", so the mind engages in the most elemental of self deception and changes the words to, "I want to be raped by a woman".

And although it is very easy to change the words, the desire shines through.

He never said he wanted to be raped by a woman and he never said he actually wanted to rape a woman. It all started with him saying he found a woman on a bus bitching about her lazy co-workers a turn on. Now we come to he must needs post his police report or else be judged guilty of rape! :shock:

[CaptainChick]

So yeah, I want there to be a little bit of a struggle in sex, sue me! I don't see what I have to gain in shutting away that primal rape instinct I have, why not simply mesh it with my "civilized" life?.
I am totally picking up what you are putting down, and admire your honesty and courage for sharing what most people would find, OUTRAGEOUS, simply because they saw the word rape used in a non-negative context!!!!

Sex is a funny thing.

Regarding my sexual inclinations and instincts, I, too strangely "revert" into becoming a more primal submissive woman. Perhaps the only area in which I would like to get pwned by a guy, would be in bed.

To rape is to commit a crime of force.

To engage in rape-like sex with a consensual partner is completely legitimate.

[Victor]

Victor dear I usually find what you say to be very interesting, but I must disagree with you here.

How would you suggest acknowledging the baser, more instinctual aspects of sex without using the word "rape"?

Well, my dear Proteanmix, it is simply a question of how the word is used.

Is it used pejoratively? Or is it used to valourise?

[CaptainChick]

Victor....

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[Hmm]

I think you misread the opening post.

Ahh, so you want angry rough sex?

[proteanmix]

Well, my dear Proeanmix, it is simply a question of how the word is used.

Is it used pejoratively? Or is it used to valourise?

Murkrow doesn't seem to be using it pejoratively. So I'm guessing you think he's saying it to valorize rape. I think he's explained the way in which he's using it although using the word rape is poor word choice because it's loaded and rightfully so.

So what I want to know from you if you ignore the word rape and use his explanations of what he meant, is there a alternate word or idea that you suggest to express the same sentiment?

[runvardh]

Ahh, so you want angry rough sex?

No, just animalisticly rough, passionate sex

[CaptainChick]

It's the whole conquerer/conquest thing going on. I don't fault people for feeling that way because, hey, sometimes I feel that way.

Why can't a man express honestly express that desire?
:yes:

Sure, why can't a man honestly express his desire for rape?

And why shouldn't any man honestly express his desire to rape a child?

The answer is simple - because we will hunt you down and put you in prison.
Your words are offending me.

I'm gonna call the cops, if you don't stop.

So, please, Victor, ever so kindly, shut the fuck up.

Yes, victor, rape IS a crime. When someone is raped. Rape is not power exchange or play. Rape is rape.
Thank you.

[heart]

I think he's explained the way in which he's using it although using the word rape is poor word choice because it's loaded and rightfully so.

Yes, he's only guilty of poor word choice and insensitivity to the fact that there are people here who may find the word rape threatening and triggering due to their own experiences. He's not guilty of rape itself!

Jackassery does not automatically led to rape.

[murkrow]

If someone can provide me with a better word I'll use it.

[ajblaise]

Passion and aggressiveness are nice in a women, but what is even more attractive is a women who isn't needy.

And on rape, I definitely think we have some kind of repressed primal "rape drive". Didn't men way back in the day usually "take" their sex?

[runvardh]

If someone can provide me with a better word I'll use it.

I think mine got nearly buried at the bottom of the previous page

[Jack Flak]

If someone can provide me with a better word I'll use it.
Watch A Clockwork Orange, they use all kinds of interesting euphemisms iirc.

[CaptainChick]

Ahh, so you want angry rough sex?

No, just animalisticly rough, passionate sex
Dude, sign me up for both!!!

:)

And, um, is there anything inherently wrong with desiring angry, animalistic, rough, passionate sex?!?!?

The answer is no.

[runvardh]

I could do with out the angry, but that's me :)

[Hmm]

No, just animalisticly rough, passionate sex

There is nothing wrong with that at all. I think many people would enjoy that, however, where I'm getting confused is how he envisions things outside of the bedroom. Like, does he think the only way to have animalistically rough passionate sex is to be constantly bitching at each other beforehand to build up anger?

[ajblaise]

I could do with out the angry, but that's me :)

but how would the women know not to try and break free of her chains in the dungeon if you don't show some anger?

[murkrow]

There is nothing wrong with that at all. I think many people would enjoy that, however, where I'm getting confused is how he envisions things outside of the bedroom. Like, does he think the only way to have animalistically rough passionate sex is to be constantly bitching at each other beforehand ito build up anger?

Not constantly.

[Victor]

Murkrow doesn't seem to be using it pejoratively. So I'm guessing you think he's saying it to valorize rape. I think he's explained the way in which he's using it although using the word rape is poor word choice because it's loaded and rightfully so.

So what I want to know from you if you ignore the word rape and use his explanations of what he meant, is there a alternate word or idea that you suggest to express the same sentiment?

Dear Proteanmix,

I have attended two Men Against Sexism Workshops and run one myself.

I have met male bullies before and confronted them.

Almost always the male bullies turn out to be cowards who usually choose women and children as their victims.

Talking to them doesn't do much good - nor would choosing an alternate word or idea that might express the same sentiment.

Male bullies hide behind a pseudonym because they are cowards.

And whereas female bullies bully by social exclusion, male bullying is almost exclusively physical.

So words just bounce off the male bully.

[Hmm]

Passion and aggressiveness are nice in a women, but what is even more attractive is a women who isn't needy.

Which is, imo, the fundamental basis for the attraction to aggressive women.

[runvardh]

but how would the women know not to try and break free of her chains in the dungeon if you don't show some anger?

But anger shows loss of control, there are better ways to assert dominance outside of showing such things *eg*

[ajblaise]

But anger shows loss of control, there are better ways to assert dominance outside of showing such things *eg*

Well, it shows an emotion...i'm not sure I would say an angry guy beating the crap out of someone isn't in control. I guess it depends how you look at it.

[murkrow]

Dear Proteanmix,

I have attended two Men Against Sexism Workshops and run one myself.

I have met male bullies before and confronted them.

Almost always the male bullies turn out to be cowards who usually choose women and children as their victims.

Talking to them doesn't do much good - nor would choosing an alternate word or idea that might express the same sentiment.

Male bullies hide behind a pseudonym because they are cowards.

And whereas female bullies bully by social exclusion, male bullying is almost exclusively physical.

So words just bounce off the male bully.


You are the master of the self defeating argument.

You're nothing but a scrambled arrangement of personally held ideas and crookedly drawn connections.

You are unaware of any world outside of your own experiences, ideologically nearsighted.

[Victor]

Men classically put a woman down when they say, "You're beautiful when you are angry".

Because the man is ignoring her anger by distracting her with sex.

Rather than listening to her anger, he shows her anger complete disregard and disrepect.

And so he shows his complete disregard and disrespect for her.

[CaptainChick]

If someone can provide me with a better word I'll use it.OMG!!!

Don't be a pussy!!!

You used the word perfectly and appropriately, in my opinion.

Don't let the politically correctal minions get to you.

[heart]

Men classically put a woman down when they say, "You're beautiful when you are angry".

Because the man is ignoring her anger by distracting her with sex.

Rather than listening to her anger, he shows her anger complete disregard and disrepect.

And so he shows his complete disregard and disrespect for her.

Sometimes...and sometimes maybe he's just turned on because she's got high color in her face and is breathing heavily. Just because he gets turned on by her doesn't mean he automatically disregards what she says either. Good grief, the political correctness police are bound and determined to strip everything meaty and fun out of man-woman relationships until we're all just androgenous worker robots.

[proteanmix]

Dear Proteanmix,

I have attended two Men Against Sexism Workshops and run one myself.

I have met male bullies before and confronted them.

Almost always the male bullies turn out to be cowards who usually choose women and children as their victims.

Talking to them doesn't do much good - nor would choosing an alternate word or idea that might express the same sentiment.

Male bullies hide behind a pseudonym because they are cowards.

And whereas female bullies bully by social exclusion, male bullying is almost exclusively physical.

So words just bounce off the male bully.

OK so now I'm finally getting you. You think the expression of that desire for physical aggression is always grounded in a need to bully and dominate? The sentiment is corrupt so all the fruit it yields will be also. There's no healthy way to express it? Is this what you're saying?

If so, well I'll agree that the need to aggress against others is usually rooted in fear and we all know fear is the path to the dark side. Like heart has already pointed out, lots of people try to channel their fears e.g. rape fantasies into something less sinister, safe, and consensual. I think there are degrees to which this can be enacted and some of them are mostly benign.

[murkrow]

Men classically put a woman down when they say, "You're beautiful when you are angry".

Because the man is ignoring her anger by distracting her with sex.

Rather than listening to her anger, he shows her anger complete disregard and disrepect.

And so he shows his complete disregard and disrespect for her.

An ability to see beauty in a woman's anger does not equate an inability to understand the reasons for the anger.

You judge people entirely on their impulses and never on their intentions, it's ridiculous.

If you had any personal experience in this sort of an encounter I'm sure you would know that telling a woman she looks beautiful when she's justifiably angry will only make her more angry, it is only when her anger is superficial that it is shaken by thoughts of sex.

[ajblaise]

Men classically put a woman down when they say, "You're beautiful when you are angry".

Because the man is ignoring her anger by distracting her with sex.

And distraction is a classic form of manipulation - and it works.

And so the male manipulator succeeds in defusing her anger, which frightens him, by relegating sex to manipulation.

Can't sex be a good way of dealing with anger? For both the man and woman. I think both sexes use it as a tool to deal with anger sometimes. And sometimes they aren't even really angry, but the sex gets them riled up.

[runvardh]

The Lord says, let not the sun set upon an argument... You solve the problem, then work out the extra frustrations in a way that is more "constructive" to the relationship ^_^

[heart]

And distraction is a classic form of manipulation - and it works.

Oh come on! Ladies, doesn't it usually make you more mad when a man says "You're beautiful when you are angry" ?

As a manipulation tact to defuse anger, it would fail miserably.

[Victor]

Men classically put a woman down when they say, "You're beautiful when you are angry".

Because the man is ignoring her anger by distracting her with sex.


And distraction is a classic form of manipulation - and it works.

And so the male manipulator succeeds in defusing her anger, which frightens him, by relegating sex to manipulation.

[Victor]

Rape is very common and is devastating to the victim.

If you attend a rape trial, you will hear all kinds of justifications for rape.

Just like you are hearing here.

[Jack Flak]

Victor can handle this thread alone from now on, apparently.

[Victor]

Like heart has already pointed out, lots of people try to channel their fears e.g. rape fantasies into something less sinister, safe, and consensual. I think there are degrees to which this can be enacted and some of them are mostly benign.

If they are so benign, why is rape so prevalent?

Surely the fantasy precedes the act.

[Hmm]

I could do with out the angry, but that's me :)


Me too.

[murkrow]

If they are so benign, why is rape so prevalent?

Surely the fantasy precedes the act.

All of the rapists were also formed in the womb of a women.

[runvardh]

If they are so benign, why is rape so prevalent?

Surely the fantasy precedes the act.

Go get the numbers, we'll compare them to the populations they are from. It's like most negative things: it's not that it happens the majority of the time, but it definitely is loud and noticeable when it happens.

[Jack Flak]

The English, and therefore Americans, Australians, etc. are descendants of Vikings (Normans), and we know how they were.

[CaptainChick]

Victor, your posts remind me of the "moralistic" rants of a corrupt right-wing senator, or preacher.

I'll have you know that I am reading everything that is in between your lines.

:thelook:

[murkrow]

The English, and therefore Americans, Australians, etc. are descendants of Vikings (Normans), and we know how they were.

Now I need to find a way to express my pillaging instinct.

[ajblaise]

Now I need to find a way to express my pillaging instinct.

I've already expressed my shroom taking instinct. Feels good.

[Victor]

I have just received this in the mail from Psychohistory Today and I have also seen the latest Batman Movie, "Dark Knight", -

"The most striking thing about the new Batman movie, now smashing the all-time box office records, is its emphasis on sado-masochism as the animating element in American culture these days. It must appeal to the many angry people in our land who want to hurt others, even while they themselves feel deserving of the grossest punishments. In other words, the picture reflects the extreme depravity of the current American sensibility. Seeing it all laid out there must be very validating to the emotionally confused audience, and hence pleasurable, in all its painfulness."

And this is what I find disturbing about this thread.

Not only the sado-masochism of many men, but also the sado-masochism of some women.

[Jack Flak]

I have just received this in the mail from Psychohistory Today...
Do you live inside a science fiction novel?

[runvardh]

The English, and therefore Americans, Australians, etc. are descendants of Vikings (Normans), and we know how they were.

I try to stay away from swords because of this as I have a triple dose of the Germanic lineage. When I touch a sword my blood boils for action...

[murkrow]

When comes the day in psychohistory when you shut the fuck up?

[proteanmix]

If they are so benign, why is rape so prevalent?

Surely the fantasy precedes the act.

Not all acts are created equal.

Take murder for an example. I know you're not American, but you have first degree murder, second degree, manslaughter, and self-defense. In the end someone is dead but there are different conditions preceding the death.

I have just received this in the mail from Psychohistory Today and I have also seen the latest Batman Movie, "Dark Knight", -

"The most striking thing about the new Batman movie, now smashing the all-time box office records, is its emphasis on sado-masochism as the animating element in American culture these days. It must appeal to the many angry people in our land who want to hurt others, even while they themselves feel deserving of the grossest punishments. In other words, the picture reflects the extreme depravity of the current American sensibility. Seeing it all laid out there must be very validating to the emotionally confused audience, and hence pleasurable, in all its painfulness."

And this is what I find disturbing about this thread.

Not only the sado-masochism of many men, but also the sado-masochism of some women.

It does seem to me to be a cultural problem.

Now, I think you're just messing with us!:hug:

[Victor]

Now, I think you're just messing with us!:hug:

I am always disappointed to be called a troll or to suggest I am messing with you.

Part of the problem is that you make the distinction between sincere and phoney while we make the same distinction between amusing and boring.

So we are always in danger of being seen as insincere (or messing), and you are always in danger as being seen as humourless.

This is a terrible fate we create for each other - humourless and insincere.

[murkrow]

I am always disappointed to be called a troll or to suggest I am messing with you.

Part of the problem is that you make the distinction between sincere and phoney while we make the same distinction between amusing and boring.

So we are always in danger of being seen as insincere (or messing), and you are always in danger as being seen as humourless.

This is a terrible fate we create for each other - humourless and insincere.

They hope that you're being insincere so that they can still hold a shred of respect for you. Don't worry though, I know you're being serious.

[heart]

Rape is very common and is devastating to the victim.

If you attend a rape trial, you will hear all kinds of justifications for rape.

Just like you are hearing here.

There's one big difference there victor. In a rape trial, there's going to be evidence that an actual act of rape occured. There will be police reports, medical documentation, witness accounts and the whole nine yards.

You've convicted someone of rape for just typing words and said they must show police report before they can be seen as "innocent" again.

Do you live inside a science fiction novel?

Equilibrium (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/)

[LadyJaye]

His avatar is of a comic book character who is also a RAPIST.

End of story.

[booyalab]

An actual rapist wouldn't advertise the fact that he was one. It kind of ruins the element of surprise. So murkrow is either not a rapist or a very stupid one. Either way he's harmless.

[murkrow]

His avatar is of a comic book character who is also a RAPIST.

End of story.

Hahahahaha.

Shit.

[01011010]

I like passionate and feeling women. Not so much aggressive.

[InaF3157]

I don't know that I like the passionate as much as the intense, but I like aggressive. Strangely, this same trait can be a huge turnoff in men, depending on how and when they go about being aggressive.

[LeonardoLestat]

So for the first time that I can remember I was attracted to a woman today on a non-physical basis.

She was this 30 something white woman with a blonde bob on the metro. She was talking to her rather chunky and obviously uninterested male friend (possibly romantic interest) about her day at work.

Basically she was explaining a story that highlighted the uselessness of her coworkers as well as her take charge and decisive capabilities, but the passion she showed was just so exhilarating! She was obviously quite frustrated with her workers, but her expressiveness showed a real zest.

Whenever I see moderately attractive (and up) women being passionate about something and enjoying it I get excited.

It's not that I want a domineering woman to take charge of me, I'm not sure what it is exactly.

I love me a firecracker.

Anyone else have this tendency?

sex

[CaptainChick]

confused

[Synarch]

This thread is comedy gold.

[Synarch]

psh. you just like thinking they'd be like that on your dick.

i think you love the thought of taming 'that which cannot be tamed by most mortals'. the thought of having a woman like that bow down to your peeny weeny. like she'll be so overcome by your greatness that instead of biting it off like she usually does, she'll thank you afterwards.

i.e. it's yourself that you love and "she's" the kind of tool that could justify it.

So much love for a woman who speaks her mind. Glad to know you're out there.

[Hmm]

This thread is comedy gold.

Yeah murkow was good for the needed variety factor around here.