Five Temperaments test!

[Eric B]

I've just found where someone who also uses the five temperament theory I always talk about, has made up their own free version of the test. This is not the APS test (which is based on FIRO, and bound by a licensing agreement with CPP, Inc), but a simple self-scorer made by listing various traits of the temperaments, which you score 1-5, and see which you come out strongest in. In the real test, you would get a combination of three temperaments (possibly the same) for the areas of Inclusion, Control and Affection, as you can see in my signature. This test does not have that, so you're not getting the full deal of the theory. It is just to give a rough idea, like the kind of informal four temperament tests you can find online or in Tim LaHaye's books, but with the fifth temperament added. Also what I basically did with the MBTI subscales, to get the bar graph in my signature).
So now you all can get an idea if you have any of this new temperament.

temperament test (http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dfs7hphz_304ctkffrcp)
(Looks like you have to print it out)

(and they also have more information, plus an interactive flash graphic of them at [url=http://www.mindtweaks.com/wordpress/?p=885]Temperament Overview: The Nifty Interactive Graphic Version!

[htb]

Very nice find -- for those capable, this test's scoring wouldn't be too difficult to automate.

Choleric, to little surprise.

[Dwigie]

melancholic...got a lot of supine too though, it was a close call.

[Eric B]

Wow, supports my theory that INFJ= "Melancholy-Supine" (Melancholy [in Inclusion]=INJ, aka "Chart the Course"; Supine [in Control]=NF Idealist.
(ENTJ would be pure Choleric, also)

[MuraKoji]

I thought I was Choleric -- But no! I got Sanguine-Phlegmatic here...

What a surprise!

[Eric B]

I did expect ENJ (In Charge) to be Choleric (And NF could be Phlegmatic also). Would you have happened to have been close in the J/P scale?

[MuraKoji]

@Eric:

I think I'm really really close in every scale, not just J/P. I'm too unique!

[wolfy]

I got supine-phlegmatic.

[DigitalMethod]

Melancholy > Phlegmatic > Supine

Supine was somewhat close to phlegmatic though.

[colmena]

Just my scores.

Supine 48
Melancholy 44
Phlegmatic 42
Choleric 23
Sanguine 20

[6sticks]

Choleric, but the description doesn't fit.

[Jack Flak]

I have to be bored to take long tests, but I scored Melancholic in high school. I don't believe Supine was on that test.

Based on the traits & descriptions,

Melancholic/Phlegmatic

[Leysing]

Phlegmatic. Ha, I knew that.

[Jeffster]

I have a book called "Personality Plus" that uses these same divisions and names. I think it's fundamentally flawed, because it has all members of a certain temperament being introverted or all being extroverted. I think Keirsey's four temperaments are much more cohesive. Reading the descriptions on that site, it seems like it's lumping people together in ways that don't fit.

[Eric B]

Personality Plus is Florence Littauer, and is loosely associated with LaHaye, I believe. She adds nicknames to the temperaments: "Perfect Melancholy" "Powerful Choleric" "Popular Sanguine" "Peaceful Phlegmatic". Neither she, nor any of the others use Supine. That is specifically Arno Profile system (which is based on FIRO-B), and now a couple of bloggers are hosting this scaled down test using the five temperaments.
There's also another one out there, the Worley Profile, which calls the fifth temperament, "Introverted Sanguine'. I've also just found "five Toddler Temperaments". The Five Toddler Temperaments (http://parenting.ivillage.com/tp/tpbehavior/0,,hz9l,00.html)
This is probably unrelated, though they are similar. (Angel=Phlegmatic; Texbook=Supine; Touchy=Melancholy; Spirited=Sanguine; Grumpy=Choleric).

When I first saw Keirsey's temperaments; I was greatly thrown off by the fact that each temperament was evenly divided between introverts and extraverts. How could the "Sanguine" SP have four introverted types, and the "Melancholic" SJ have four extraverted types?
But then I learned about the Interaction Styles, which also correspond to the four temperaments, but are in fact drawn along the lines of I and E; along with another factor, Directing and Informing (which basically is T/F for Sensors, and J/P for iNtuitors). The old temperament theory of LaHaye and Littauer are based on I/E and D/Inf. (the latter under other names, such as "people/task focus"). That's why they are either all introverted or all extraverted. I've found that the "expressive/reserved" (I/E) counterparts for the Keirsey temperaments are Cooperative/Pragmatic, tying together SJ with NF and SP with NT. Like I/E, they do shape how aggressive or passive a person is in situations (like Keirsey's descriptions "do what's right" vs "do what works").

LaHaye, however, does have 12 two way blends (which you can see here: Profile Dynamics (http://fourtemperaments.com/Description2.htm) with a couple of them listed twice, and one three-way blend thrown in, and corresponding DISC letters), which result in 16 "types". APS, using FIRO's "Inclusion", "Control" and "Affection" also result in blends. If you take expressed Inclusion as I/E; then a person can be Melancholy in Control; yet still an extravert. (this would basically be an ESJ).

These are the resultant correlations I would expect:

ISTJ Pure Melancholy (My family and several friends)
ISFJ Phlegmatic*/Melancholy ("PhlegMel")
INFJ Melancholy/Phlegmatic* ("MelPhleg")
INTJ Melancholy/Choleric ("MelChlor")
ISTP Melancholy/Sanguine ("MelSan")
ISFP Phlegmatic*/Sanguine ("PhlegSan")
INFP Pure Phlegmatic*
INTP Phlegmatic*/Choleric ("PhlegChlor")
ESTP Choleric/Sanguine ("ChlorSan")
ESFP Pure Sanguine
ENFP Sanguine/Phlegmatic* ("SanPhleg")
ENTP Sanguine/Choleric ("SanChlor")
ESTJ Choleric/Melancholy ("ChlorMel")
ESFJ Sanguine/Melancholy ("SanMel")
ENFJ Choleric/Phlegmatic* ("ChlorPhleg")
ENTJ Pure Choleric

*(May also be fifth temperament, Supine)

The last several results seemed to go against this notion :doh: (with the exception of INFP as Phlegmatic!:cool:) INTJ as Melancholy-Phlegmatic-Supine instead of Melancholy-Choleric would seem to favor Keirsey's theory about the NT.:ouch:

But of course, there's many reasons why they might not match. (Considering that people can come up completely different MBTI types with different tests). For an ISTP, for instance, the Pragmatism of the SP is a kind of "expressiveness", while the ST is directive (task-oriented); hence, having an appearance of "Choleric" traits (Choleric is extraverted and directive; just replace extraversion with pragmatism). INTP seems Melancholic because it is introverted and yet another facet called "Structure-focused" (which ties together SJ and NT, and is the [S/N] "mirror" of "Directive".
This test is not the full one dividing between Inclusion and Control, so it might come out with the factors meshed together like that. They're still overall not too far, though.

[Jeffster]

ISFP Phlegmatic*/Sanguine ("PhlegSan")


Interesting. When I took the test at the link you provided, I got this:

Sanguine: 69
Phlegmatic: 47
Supine: 43
Melancholy: 39
Choleric: 24

When I took the test in the "Personality Plus" book, I came up as "Perfect Melancholy" with "Popular Sanguine" a distant second.

[Eric B]

Interesting. Another close match!
As for personality Plus; probably, as happened when I took LaHaye's similar "pick the traits out of a list" test, the Supine isn't represented, so some of it's behaviors come out as Melancholy. (I came out PhlegMel, but that's not really that far).

[6sticks]

For an ISTP, for instance, the Pragmatism of the SP is a kind of "expressiveness", while the ST is directive (task-oriented); hence, having an appearance of "Choleric" traits (Choleric is extraverted and directive; just replace extraversion with pragmatism).
That seems reasonable.

Just to throw another wrench in the works, Phlegmatic was a fairly close second.

[Orangey]

My order was this:

Phlegmatic
Melancholy
Choleric
Supine
Sanguine

[MuraKoji]

ISTJ Pure Melancholy (My family and several friends)
ISFJ Phlegmatic*/Melancholy ("PhlegMel")
INFJ Melancholy/Phlegmatic* ("MelPhleg")
INTJ Melancholy/Choleric ("MelChlor")
ISTP Melancholy/Sanguine ("MelSan")
ISFP Phlegmatic*/Sanguine ("PhlegSan")
INFP Pure Phlegmatic*
INTP Phlegmatic*/Choleric ("PhlegChlor")
ESTP Choleric/Sanguine ("ChlorSan")
ESFP Pure Sanguine
ENFP Sanguine/Phlegmatic* ("SanPhleg")
ENTP Sanguine/Choleric ("SanChlor")
ESTJ Choleric/Melancholy ("ChlorMel")
ESFJ Sanguine/Melancholy ("SanMel")
ENFJ Choleric/Phlegmatic* ("ChlorPhleg")
ENTJ Pure Choleric


*look at the list*

Choleric/Phlegmatic, eh? I thought I was Choleric/Sanguine when I took the test in CatholicMatch, though I'm not Catholic.

[sciski]

Melancholy: 67
Sanguine: 49
Supine: 46
Phlegmatic: 39
Choleric: 18

Currently I identify as INFJ but am willing to consider ISTP. I do have a strong drive for Seness (I love the potentials and possibilities suggested by hardware stores... oh my!), but lack the actual finesse when it comes to executing such tasks.

[Eric B]

That seems reasonable.

Just to throw another wrench in the works, Phlegmatic was a fairly close second.
That could also be a couple of things. Like being Introverted, plus Motive-focused (the mirror of "Informing", tying together the SP and NF). So then ITP's may at times seem both Melancholy and Phlegmatic.

Something like that that does not seem to fit Interaction Style (Inclusion) or the Keirsey (conative) temperament (Control) could also be the third area, Affection. (In fact, with the full five temperament theory, you could have 125 different "types" (combinations). Even more if you add in moderate blends, mentioned below). Affecion deals with deep personal relationship skills. IT does not seem to be directly covered in the 16 types, though it would fit closest into the Interaction Styles characteristics. Though in this theory, Inclusion and Affection temperaments can be completely different, further explaining variation in type.

*look at the list*

Choleric/Phlegmatic, eh? I thought I was Choleric/Sanguine when I took the test in CatholicMatch, though I'm not Catholic. Those Catholic versions of the theory generally do not allow blending of "opposite" temperaments (Choleric with Phlegmatic; and Sanguine with Melancholy). So they only have 12 possible "types" (four pure types, and eight "blends"). This seemed to follow Kant, though Kant would also pair those opposites with his "Recognition of Beauty" scale; which became the forerunner of S/N with Sanguine and Melancholic both as S.
So you had to come out as something that shared a common factor with Phlegmatic, and the closest was apparently Sanguine.

Melancholy: 67
Sanguine: 49
Supine: 46
Phlegmatic: 39
Choleric: 18

Currently I identify as INFJ but am willing to consider ISTP. I do have a strong drive for Seness (I love the potentials and possibilities suggested by hardware stores... oh my!), but lack the actual finesse when it comes to executing such tasks. You could be inbetween. Both of those types are Melancholy in Inclusion. One is Supine (or Phlegmatic) in Control, and the other is Sanguine in Control. Supine and Sanguine are next to each other, differing only in expressed behavior (Sanguine=high; Supine=low), Inbetween them are a pair of hybrid temperaments with moderate expressive behavior, called Phlegmatic Supine and Phlegmatic Sanguine. (They're considered part "Phlegmatic" because of the moderate expression. Could also explain Phlegmatic being next highest). If someone scores one of those in Control, they might teeter between both SP and NF.

[MuraKoji]

Those Catholic versions of the theory generally do not allow blending of "opposite" temperaments (Choleric with Phlegmatic; and Sanguine with Melancholy). So they only have 12 possible "types" (four pure types, and eight "blends"). This seemed to follow Kant, though Kant would also pair those opposites with his "Recognition of Beauty" scale; which became the forerunner of S/N with Sanguine and Melancholic both as S.
So you had to come out as something that shared a common factor with Phlegmatic, and the closest was apparently Sanguine.


Oh geez I don't know that, all I know just it's a theory.

And yeah maybe you're true. But I'm not as bubbly as sanguine or "patient" like phlegmatic.