Enneagram-type me!

[Haphazard]

Hello everyone. I'm curious about the enneagram, so of course I'm interested in what type I am.

I guess I should probably say a little about myself.

I used to be a very unhappy kid until about middle school, and that's about when I realized that nobody cared and that I should get back to work. Because of that, I'm a lot happier than a lot of people I see online.

When I'm with other people, I tend to try to entertain them with my antics. I'm not very serious with them, and never really do any work with them. I guess sometimes I play peacemaker, but I wouldn't say that's a main part of me because I don't really spend a lot of time in social situations. If I'm able, I'm usually left to my own pursuits and work on a lot of projects.

I've tested as 5w4, 5w6, 8w7, and 8w9. I guess I relate to 5 more, but I could never wrap my head around that 5s tend not to be very driven, because I've always been quite driven and ambitious.

[MetalWounds]

You don't seem like a typical type 5 INTJ to me.

I'd have to say 8w7, directly followed by 5w4.

[Haphazard]

You don't seem like a typical type 5 INTJ to me.

I'd have to say 8w7, directly followed by 5w4.

What is a typical 5 INTJ like? And explain your reasoning for 8w7.

[Mondo]

This is from ocean-moonshine.net


"Fives can be self-confident, especially in their areas of expertise and Eights can be intellectual and more self-restrained than type descriptions would indicate, so a mistype is possible. Socrates, an Eight, for instance, is frequently mistyped as a Five, and Nietzsche, a Five, has been mistyped as an Eight. But Socrates impressed others as much by his powerful presence as by his intellect, whereas the very sensitive Nietzsche frequently had a hard enough time getting out of bed. Socrates had no difficulty negotiating physical reality; Nietzsche's daytime experience was interfused with images emanating from his subconscious. Eights are comfortable in the world and have an expansive, grounded physical presence. In contrast, there is usually some tentativeness to a Five's physical presence - some part of them is not quite there."

"Eights can be mistyped as Fives when they are especially intellectual. Fives can be mistaken for Eights when they are especially self-confident, as they sometimes are in their own areas of expertise. Both types are independent and place a premium on the avoidance of displays of vulnerability. But an examination of the fundamental themes of their lives should reveal the stark underlying differences. Fives are sensitive and are susceptible to overwhelm and energy depletion; Eights have an expansive physical presence, are frequently insensitive, and are more likely to overwhelm others than to be overwhelmed themselves."

I think you're a 5 from what you've written.

Also, I could be wrong but aren't Introverts more likely to be 8w9 than 8w7?
My dad is an 8w7 ENTJ and he is definitely 'more likely to overwhelm others than to be overwhelmed himself'.

[Haphazard]

This is from ocean-moonshine.net
My dad is an 8w7 ENTJ and he is definitely 'more likely to overwhelm others than to be overwhelmed himself'.

Hmm...

I think I know an 8w7 ENTJ too. She's quite overwhelming.

I do overwhelm people, but I think that's more because of their perceptions of me rather than my actual actions. Because to most people, certain traits will imply certain other traits, I can become a scary person through hearsay and in rumors I don't recognize myself at all. It's pretty funny.

I schedule myself kind of like how a lion does -- act impressive for four hours, then proceed to sleep for twenty hours. Now, the question is, which is more important? The four hours of action, or the twenty hours of needed rest?

Another problem with 5 is that instead of being more about 'energy conservation' (which is why I originally typed myself as 5) a lot of descriptions just say that they're there to observe. Which I am not. It seems like in this system it's impossible to have both a need to conserve energy and need to do work.

[dnivera]

Do you tend to hoard stuff? Do you collect lots of things like stamps, coins, anime figurines, or anything else?

Are you reclusive?

Are you curious about how things (like machines) work? Do you feel like you have to understand something completely before you *do* something?

heheh, I am a 5, but I still takes me time to spot them.

[Haphazard]

Do you tend to hoard stuff? Do you collect lots of things like stamps, coins, anime figurines, or anything else?

Are you reclusive?

Are you curious about how things (like machines) work? Do you feel like you have to understand something completely before you *do* something?

heheh, I am a 5, but I still takes me time to spot them.

I used to collect stuff more when I was little, but I kind of stopped because figurines are pointless. The only things that I actively get a lot of are things like knitting needles, books, music, pens, etc. If they're going to be collected, they've got to be useful.

Yes I am quite reclusive.

I don't have to understand things completely before I do things. For me, understanding is relatively instantaneous so I don't dedicate a lot of energy to it. I have very much a 'working' understanding rather than an 'actual' understanding of things. I work so much better with the gist of what I'm supposed to do rather than precise understanding. Too much precision slows me down.

I'm not interested in how machines work unless I need to get them to work. However, I do squeal like a little school girl when something works particularly well (not machines, but the execution of pretty much anything).

[MetalWounds]

What is a typical 5 INTJ like? And explain your reasoning for 8w7.

The typical 5 would be most like your average "INTJForumer", which you most certainly are not. You seem much more outgoing and sociable that your average 5 (Which could be a result of higher self confidence, which you also sport).

You appear to me, as well as you could over a forum, as having a good deal more charismatic features than the stereotypical logical features. Introversion will make an 8w7 appear to have a very odd combination of traits, some apparently contradictory, (since that enn. type is usually correlated to extroverts) and being an NT on top of that would make you look much like a 5.

A lot of the defining factors of the Enneagram are how you relate to and deal with stress, only you can really asses the validity of those in comparison to the archetypes. My better judgment just thinks that you're an 8 though.

[Haphazard]

The typical 5 would be most like your average "INTJForumer", which you most certainly are not. You seem much more outgoing and sociable that your average 5 (Which could be a result of higher self confidence, which you also sport).

It seems that most 5 descriptions paint them as stereotypical ubernerds (much like INTPs), whereas 8 descriptions sound too aggressive for me. It might just be the confidence.

I'm thinking maybe 5 because I get most upset when somebody unwittingly gives me more work that upsets the 'master plan' AKA how I'm going to get all the stuff that I already have to do done. I'm usually quite good at this but sometimes it gets thrown off-balance by sickness or something...

We have two parts of 5-dom here, one of which definitely applies to me, and one which doesn't. The first is energy conservation, which applies to me, the second is 'understanding', which doesn't.

[dnivera]

5's go to 8 when they're high-functioning.

Your detachment is a fundamental quality of the 5. Oh, and 5s are head-people, while 8s are gut/instinctual types. You strike me as more 5ish than 8ish because you spend lots of time alone.

The five's basic motivation is to gain knowledge or become useful or expert at something (often everything), leading them to hoard information and consume it greedily. They take everything in and store it for future use, no matter how useful it really is. That's why fives like to collect things. (You should see my book collection.)
The basic motivation of the eight is that they need to control things and protect themselves and be in control of their lives. They're more outgoing and action-oriented people than detached, heady 5-types.

[Night]

I frequently test as a 5w8, Hap.

Although the pairing is antithetical to the traditional Enneagram format, I find the combination works better for me than my secondary and tertiary scores of 5w6; 5w4.

How comfortable are you with leadership? Could you arbitrarily take command over a group of people without feeling insecure? You're in high school - if you had to, could you seize the attention of an entire lunchroom of people?

[Magic Poriferan]

Sorry, if anyone noticed the cut-off posts that I deleted... :dry:

Let's not start classifying Enneagram types based on aspects of Instinctual Variants here. Those are seperate.

In general, you seem much more like a Five to me. Perhaps you aren't comfortable with the typical passiveness of the Five archetype, but between the passive and emotionally subdued model, and the aggressive and emotionally turbulent model, you definitely seem more like the former.

[Haphazard]

How comfortable are you with leadership? Could you arbitrarily take command over a group of people without feeling insecure? You're in high school - if you had to, could you seize the attention of an entire lunchroom of people?

I usually do end up seizing leadership when it comes to high school projects. The reason is that most people just can't choose a damn direction. It's very annoying when your time is limited. :doh:

The worst part about leadership is that it's impossible to know if the person you tell to do something will actually do what they're told to do. I mean, if you press too hard, they'll go against you, if you don't press hard enough, they'll decide they don't have to, and there are a lot of people out there that won't do anything at all no matter how much you pressure them. So, you know, if you want to get something done right, you have to do it yourself.

Considering my lunch periods have about 834 people in them each, I suppose I'd be able to catch all of their attention -- however, the means I'd use to do it would probably get me suspended.

[Night]

So, you know, if you want to get something done right, you have to do it yourself.


Ti primary
Fe secondary
Te tertiary

I find this communication scheme is often the most efficient means to provide positive leadership.

[Haphazard]

Ti primary
Fe secondary
Te tertiary

I find this communication scheme is often the most efficient means to provide positive leadership.

I'll keep that in mind.

This still doesn't answer my question, though.

[dnivera]

Sorry, if anyone noticed the cut-off posts that I deleted... :dry:

Let's not start classifying Enneagram types based on aspects of Instinctual Variants here. Those are seperate.



I wasn't talking about instinctual variants when I mentioned head-types versus gut-types (and heart-types). I was referring to enneagram's three centers of intelligence. [567=thinking, 891=body, 234=heart]. Clearly this is different from being a self-preserving, sexual, or social personality variant.

[Magic Poriferan]

I wasn't talking about instinctual variants when I mentioned head-types versus gut-types (and heart-types). I was referring to enneagram's three centers of intelligence. [567=thinking, 891=body, 234=heart]. Clearly this is different from being a self-preserving, sexual, or social personality variant.

I wasn't talking about that.
I was refering to the implications that Eights are inately more social and Fives. I don't believe you were part of it.

[Haphazard]

I wasn't talking about that.
I was refering to the implications that Eights are inately more social and Fives. I don't believe you were part of it.

Hmm...

What are the implications of treating objectives and people differently? I don't like mixing people with my objectives, usually...

[Athenian200]

Well, most of the other posters have covered the basic perspectives. I can only add that based on taking into account your stacking SX/SP, your hobbies, and the types you've tested as, you are most likely either a 5w4, or an 8w9. This would theoretically depend on whether you were integrating, or disintegrating at present.

Your emphasis seems less on analysis and comprehenision vs. getting things accomplished, for what it's worth. I wouldn't have thought you seemed ruthless/power-seeking enough to be an 8, but the 9 wing could explain why.

There is something a little off of this, since you don't really seem as much like an SX type 8 according to some descriptions, but again the 9 wing might balance that out.

So, I'd say that 8w9 is my current guess, with 5w4 as a reserve guess.

[Haphazard]

Well, most of the other posters have covered the basic perspectives. I can only add that based on taking into account your stacking SX/SP, your hobbies, and the types you've tested as, you are most likely either a 5w4, or an 8w9. This would theoretically depend on whether you were integrating, or disintegrating at present.

Your emphasis seems less on analysis and comprehenision vs. getting things accomplished, for what it's worth. I wouldn't have thought you seemed ruthless/power-seeking enough to be an 8, but the 9 wing could explain why.

There is something a little off of this, since you don't really seem as much like an SX type 8 according to some descriptions, but again the 9 wing might balance that out.

So, I'd say that 8w9 is my current guess, with 5w4 as a reserve guess.

Very interesting.

The thing that's causing the most problems here would be is the deciding factor comprehension versus control, or something else?

If it's comprehension versus control, I'm definitely an 8. However, I'm very low-energy and intensely private (which both seem to be correlated with 5, but then again, that could be introversion.), somewhat artistically inclined (4?), and my controlling nature doesn't extend too much to people.

[Haphazard]

I have a feeling I don't fit into enneagram very well...

[Haphazard]

Can I be a 7w10 or something now?

[Trinity]

Can I be a 7w10 or something now?

Hap, I really think you might be a 7w10.

7w10 is the one that must be high and entertained yet contradictary to be happy aren't they?

[Haphazard]

Hap, I really think you might be a 7w10.

7w10 is the one that must be high and entertained yet contradictary to be happy aren't they?

Like that. :party:

[Trinity]

Like that. :party:

Right. I'd say combine :smoke: with :devil: whilst watching :party: resulting in :sleeping: and we have you Hap. It screams 7w10.

[Haphazard]

Right. I'd say combine :smoke: with :devil: whilst watching :party: resulting in :sleeping: and we have you Hap. It screams 7w10.

Trin, you're a genius.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[runvardh]

I say read up on it if you can and do some studies into all the different concepts that are part of it. The individual types themselves only give a static view of a system that is actually quite dynamic. I agree with dnivera about the possibility that you are just a higher functioning 5 which results in you taking on some 8 like traits (see the concept integration (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/intro.asp) for an explanation on this). Anyway, I hope that helps some...

[Trinity]

Yup ^ ^

01011010 sent me something interesting that has made things clearer. I’m probably a 5 based on this not an 8 like I was thinking. Understanding this is all new to me, I say you're probably a 5w4.

As Fives begin to understand the emotional cost of their self-imposed isolation, they begin to risk deeper, more complete, contact with themselves and with the world. They become more grounded, more in touch with their bodies and their life energy, giving them more confidence and solidity. As this process deepens, integrating Fives naturally begin to express many qualities of the healthy Eight: they demonstrate leadership, courage, practical wisdom, and the willingness to take responsibility. They move from feeling small and powerless to feeling grounded and capable. Their knowledge and insight are then in service to objective needs in their world, and they are sought by others as sources of wisdom, compassion, and quiet strength.

5 when stressed take on 7s characteristics and with growth take on 8s traits.


Source (http://theenneagram.blogspot.com/2007/09/type-5.html)

[Haphazard]

Hum.

I guess being a 5 would explain what happened in Vegas.

"I'm not good at runnin runnin runnin around like a frikin constipated weiner dog! The amount of crap you do in a day is my week! I'm fucking tired! Lemme alone! *faints from exhaustion*"

What's funny is I tend to score pretty high on both 7 and 8 and quite low on 6 and 4.

[runvardh]

Do you have the graph stashed away somewhere? That would likely help the analysis a lot.

[Haphazard]

Do you have the graph stashed away somewhere? That would likely help the analysis a lot.

Graph? I mentioned a graph?

[runvardh]

Graph? I mentioned a graph?

No, but you mentioned scores. Those numbers or a graph of them would make the analysis easier.

[Haphazard]

No, but you mentioned scores. Those numbers or a graph of them would make the analysis easier.

Okay then.

Here's from the test that always gives me eight:

Type 1 -4
Type 2 -3
Type 3 4
Type 4 -2
Type 5 2
Type 6 -2
Type 7 -1
Type 8 7
Type 9 -1


And then the test that always gives me 5:

You are most likely a type 5.

Taking wings into account, you seem to be a 9w8.


Type 5 - 7.3
Type 9 - 6.7
Type 7 - 5.7
Type 8 - 5
Type 4 - 2
Type 6 - 1.7

Wing 9w8 - 9.2
Wing 8w9 - 8.4
Wing 5w4 - 8.3
Wing 5w6 - 8.2
Wing 7w8 - 8.2
Wing 8w7 - 7.9
Wing 9w1 - 7.7
Wing 7w6 - 6.6
Wing 4w5 - 5.7
Wing 6w5 - 5.4
Wing 6w7 - 4.6
Wing 4w3 - 3.2

Then again, I'm in a good mood today. You think that would skew towards eight?

[runvardh]

Okay then.

Here's from the test that always gives me eight:

Type 1 -4
Type 2 -3
Type 3 4
Type 4 -2
Type 5 2
Type 6 -2
Type 7 -1
Type 8 7
Type 9 -1


And then the test that always gives me 5:

You are most likely a type 5.

Taking wings into account, you seem to be a 9w8.


Type 5 - 7.3
Type 9 - 6.7
Type 7 - 5.7
Type 8 - 5
Type 4 - 2
Type 6 - 1.7

Wing 9w8 - 9.2
Wing 8w9 - 8.4
Wing 5w4 - 8.3
Wing 5w6 - 8.2
Wing 7w8 - 8.2
Wing 8w7 - 7.9
Wing 9w1 - 7.7
Wing 7w6 - 6.6
Wing 4w5 - 5.7
Wing 6w5 - 5.4
Wing 6w7 - 4.6
Wing 4w3 - 3.2

Then again, I'm in a good mood today. You think that would skew towards eight?

A good mood can shift you more to 8 while a bad mood could shift you to 7 if you being a 5 is correct. The tests that automatically try to locate your wing can be a pain, but the one giving you 8 up top also has spikes at 3 and 5. The interesting part is the large trough at 1 and 2; the trough at 2 a long with the spike at 5 would show you to be on the unhealthy side if you're an 8. My interpretation would still be for a (very) healthy 5 at the moment. Maybe try it in different states of mind to see what numbers move in which direction by how much.

[Haphazard]

A good mood can shift you more to 8 while a bad mood could shift you to 7 if you being a 5 is correct. The tests that automatically try to locate your wing can be a pain, but the one giving you 8 up top also has spikes at 3 and 5. The interesting part is the large trough at 1 and 2; the trough at 2 a long with the spike at 5 would show you to be on the unhealthy side if you're an 8. My interpretation would still be for a (very) healthy 5 at the moment. Maybe try it in different states of mind to see what numbers move in which direction by how much.

Last time I took an enneagram test in a bad mood I got more 6 and 7. I think this would make sense that I'm either 5 or 9...

And they both seem kind of similar.

[runvardh]

Last time I took an enneagram test in a bad mood I got more 6 and 7. I think this would make sense that I'm either 5 or 9...

And they both seem kind of similar.

So really, that just leaves seeing where the other spikes and troughs are. In your good mood one 5 was still a spike while 9 is in the same trough as 1 and 2.

[htb]

You posted a video of yourself some time ago, Haphazard. Low-key, somewhat monotone, much less regard for an audience than your train of thought.

There should be no doubt that if the choices are between Type 8 and Type 5, you are a Type 5.

[Haphazard]

You posted a video of yourself some time ago, Haphazard. Low-key, somewhat monotone, much less regard for an audience than your train of thought.

There should be no doubt that if the choices are between Type 8 and Type 5, you are a Type 5.

I think it's between type 5 and type 9 now.

As to what MetalWounds says -- I think the people on INTJf are either 4s, 6s, or have a heavy 4 or 6 wing... and I don't appear to relate much to either.

[entropie]

hahaha, 5 and 9 ? showoff xDD

I give you a 5w2 at least xD

[Haphazard]

hahaha, 5 and 9 ? showoff xDD

I give you a 5w2 at least xD

Explain yourself, cretin! :P

[runvardh]

I think it's between type 5 and type 9 now.

As to what MetalWounds says -- I think the people on INTJf are either 4s, 6s, or have a heavy 4 or 6 wing... and I don't appear to relate much to either.

Well, it's too bad we don't have all the numbers from when your in a bad mood. With those I could plot a graph of that and see where the troughs and spikes are and relate them to the troughs and spikes of your good mood.

[Haphazard]

Well, it's too bad we don't have all the numbers from when your in a bad mood. With those I could plot a graph of that and see where the troughs and spikes are and relate them to the troughs and spikes of your good mood.

My bad moods don't come very often, and when they do, they're quite fleeting. To get me in a really, really, actual-factual bad mood that'll last long enough, I'll have to be very sick, and by that time, I won't be in the mood to take any damn enneagram tests.

[scantilyclad]

i would say 5w4 or 5w6

[Haphazard]

i would say 5w4 or 5w6

But I'm very much so neither 4 nor 6.

[entropie]

Hey, will explain.

I dont know you but I have a hunch about you. I am pretty sure the 5 is right. Was thinking about a 6 maybe but that would do you injustice. Cause a skeptic you ain't in that way. So I see the 5 as set.

For the wing I am not sure. I more and more into the feeling that you could be a girl in Reallife, in the beginning I thought you to be a gay emo kid xD *no heart feelings* :).

The 9, as named "The peacemaker" are those guys who really long for harmony. From the few little posts, I have seen so far from you in the forums, I would give you the 2 as "The Helper" cause you are really helping. A 9 is more likely to step up in conversations when there is trouble.

Can not say definitly 2 or 9 though, cause I do not know you in person.

I scored 7w8 that is the enthusiastic Leader. That means: king of lemmings xD

[Haphazard]

Hey, will explain.

I dont know you but I have a hunch about you. I am pretty sure the 5 is right. Was thinking about a 6 maybe but that would do you injustice. Cause a skeptic you ain't in that way. So I see the 5 as set.

For the wing I am not sure. I more and more into the feeling that you could be a girl in Reallife, in the beginning I thought you to be a gay emo kid xD *no heart feelings* :).

The 9, as named "The peacemaker" are those guys who really long for harmony. From the few little posts, I have seen so far from you in the forums, I would give you the 2 as "The Helper" cause you are really helping. A 9 is more likely to step up in conversations when there is trouble.

Can not say definitly 2 or 9 though, cause I do not know you in person.

I scored 7w8 that is the enthusiastic Leader. That means: king of lemmings xD

Gay emo kid? Gay emo kid... umm...

Why is 5 set? Why not 6? And can one have a wing that is somewhere nowhere near the root number?

Explain yourself.

[entropie]

Cant, dont know you, just got my hunches

[Haphazard]

Cant, dont know you, just got my hunches

So you haven't collected any information from my posts? You're just guessing straight out of the blue? I could have been some random bloke who walked up to you and asked you 'hey, what's my enneagram type' and these would have had no more thought than what you're saying now?

For some reason, I don't believe that.

[scantilyclad]

You dont HAVE to have a wing. If you are neither 4 nor a 6, i would just say 5, because you seem very 5 to me, but like i said, i do not know you personally, and i think you need to know someone more personally to type them accurately.

[entropie]

Nono that is not that way. But I do not want to come undone here.

You asked, why 5 not 6 ? I explained that already with: I do not want to do you injustice. I think you are sceptic but not a sceptic. That leaves the thinker as a sceptic asker, in a good position that can be set then.

I do not know what exactly you are looking for ? You yourself have to know how you are. Other people will always come objective onto you and the whole analysis will end up like in a "is it right?" - "is it not right" conversation.

The only one who can truly evaluate you are you yourself. You will get ideas here, but no definite answers.

[Haphazard]

I was just wondering what led you to give the answers you gave. That's all.

A lot of people give me unjustified answers. I was just wondering what's behind it.

[entropie]

Ok that I do understand and I apologize.

[runvardh]

I was just wondering what led you to give the answers you gave. That's all.

A lot of people give me unjustified answers. I was just wondering what's behind it.

If you want backup, I could probably do it if I got more data. My intuition is telling me you're a 5 like a lot of other people are saying. Maybe try doing the test once a week for a month, see how that pans out. *shrug*

[Haphazard]

I think the reason I thought I was an 8 is because people keep telling me I'm moody and aggressive. If people tell you that enough times, you start to figure, hell, it must be true.

If there's one thing I try to hoard, it's time. But that doesn't make much sense now, does it? I get the same number of hours in a day as everyone else, and it's not like they pass any slower, either. Absolutely irrational.

[runvardh]

Eh, even a rational can have it's less rational moments like when it's nine is divided by five... ;)

[Haphazard]

I want my goddamned rollover minutes! ;_;

[runvardh]

I want my goddamned rollover minutes! ;_;

:hug:

[entropie]

To at least say once something useful :):

I have never figured for example that I could be a 8. I have nearly no aggressiveness in me and mood swings I do not have either. When I am drunk I get talkative and when I am heavily drunk I get depressed, while other reactions I observed coming with alcohol are aggressiveness.

Maybe not the best example but there was something else. When I met my better half and we got to know each other, she frequently kept complaining about me provoking her. I really never did understand and I have not understood it, yet. But I think and that has to be looked into more accurately that the 8's are up to some form of discussing things for example that draws out information from the other one, by constantly challenging him.

I figured I have a need to compare myself to others on a intellectual base, where I do not want to be better than anyone else, but I do want to be counted to the best.

It is hard to explain, because I havent understood it myself, yet, but I hope you get some little points.

So my theisis would be, the 8 is not about being aggressive or being in the need to overrule people. The 8 could be that challenger, who likes to work on impossible scenarios or is the one, who stands on the side of the person, everybody dislikes just to face the challenge.

Was that somewhat understandable ? xD

[untypable]

I've tested as 5w4, 5w6, 8w7, and 8w9. I guess I relate to 5 more, but I could never wrap my head around that 5s tend not to be very driven, because I've always been quite driven and ambitious.

Actually, Bill gates is very driven for a five, otherwise microsoft would not be where it is today.

My correlation between MBTI and enneagram :D:

(Te, Ti, Ne, Ni, Se, Si, Fe, Fi)

If you are type 1, you should have these as lead functions (or use them as very often other than your dominant function): Te, Si, Fi

Type 2: Fe, Fi

Type 3: Fe, Se, Ne

Type 4; Fi, Ni*

Type 5: Ni,Ti

Type 6: Si, Fi

Type 7: Ne, Se

Type 8: Ne, Se, Te

Type 9:Fi, Ni (?), Si, Fi

I put a star between Ni in type 4 because people with strong Ns often have both Ne and Ni tendencies. That is y sometimes type 4s and type 8 get confused.

And i am not sure Ni are in type 9s though.

[entropie]

Good overview ! :)

I am not that fond with most of the types, but I cant imagine Ti only relays to Thinker. On the contrary I think especially Thinkers should be given Te and Ti aswell. Furthermore I think sceptics the 6 fit well with the iNTj personality. So they need a Ti or Te aswell. With preference for the Te.

What I do not understand is why the 8 is so badly misinterpretated. I think I have to make a thread about this. The 8's main sin is passion and they are driven by it.

To be a 8 has in no way the need to be rational at all.

[Haphazard]

People accuse me of being aggressive... though come to think of it, I only become fierce when the provoked. I think perhaps if people wanted me to be less aggressive, they ought to stop pissing me off so much.

6 seems Si and Ti (counterphobic). I've heard that Ni can be a rather paranoid function but I don't know if it's exactly the same way 6s are paranoid.

[entropie]

You are not aggressive. Some people just can not deal with your inputs you do. Bet noone can, like you do, but that was meant positively.

To me you give inspiration and beside of that, I find you really ingenious. I do not understand why you put ingenious in the first place in this "perseus test". The thing about energy and society extroversion was quite ingenius.

You should wish for things that you do need.

I have no advice for you, because I do not think you should change.

[entropie]

By the way, you do know Mark Twain was an ENTP ? :D

[Haphazard]

By the way, you do know Mark Twain was an ENTP ? :D

Yes, I did.

Though, my favorite author at the moment is Kurt Vonnegut.

[entropie]

haha you did not know xD

I will look up Vonnegut and if he is swedish, I am going to kill you, slowly xD

[entropie]

ok, you won he is not. :)

have to work on that paranoia xD

[Haphazard]

ok, you won he is not. :)

have to work on that paranoia xD

What's so bad about the Swedes? You buy one too many pieces of Ikea furniture?

[entropie]

"Schlachthof 5 oder Der Kinderkreuzzug ist ein 1969 erschienener Roman des US-Bestellerautors Kurt Vonnegut (1922-2007) und gilt als sein populärstes Werk. Der Roman kombiniert Science-Fiction-Elemente mit einer Analyse der conditio humana aus der ungewöhnlichen Perspektive einer Zeitreise basierend auf den Luftangriffen auf Dresden im Zweiten Weltkrieg."

Really sounds entp.

I have one thing that still intrests me about you. After that you will be free of me being intrested in you (except for meeting in posts in threads). What do you do for a living ?

[Haphazard]

I'm... a student.

[entropie]

Sweden was related to my 8 thread :). Thought you made a connection there Vonnegut sounded that way :)

[entropie]

of quantum entaglement ?

[entropie]

ok, ok, student does suffice, will not let you down.

[Haphazard]

of quantum entaglement ?

Not exactly.

[entropie]

:) sorry. Did not want to overstep my boundaries.

[entropie]

I study Maschinenbau. That is translated with machine building xD. Do not know what it is meant to be.

I have studied before 2 years theology, but I failed when it came to the understanding part xD.

The thing I do now I am somewhat good with. I have no ideas on how to go on with my personality in the machine world. My greatest hope would be to have someday a patent of my own. I fear I am going to have several, but nothing that would be useful.

[Jack Flak]

Maschinenbaum=Mechanical Engineering? iirc, could be wrong.

[entropie]

do not know, since "Diplom-Ingenieur" became Master of Science I hate the world, so or so :)

[entropie]

Give me a hint here hap, say "piss off,lardass" or "take one more beer, I need to think about it". I feel like them:
YouTube - Disturbed - The Game - With Lyrics! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bck2nBIGAS4)

[entropie]

ok I got it, but watch the lyrics. they fit pretty well :)
YouTube - Disturbed - The Game - With Lyrics! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bck2nBIGAS4)

See you

[entropie]

Have watched the whole video now. The ending is really crazy.

But the part about lieing is pretty good.

[Haphazard]

Apologies.

Feeling a bit dead right now.

[entropie]

me too

[Haphazard]

I thought 8s don't get that way.

[entropie]

They do, when they take things seriously :)

YouTube - Dong-Hyek Lim plays Chopin Nocturne No.2, Op.9-2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8pNzlhxnwY)

What do you think ? I am german but that does not mean I am inhuman.. I hope :)

Take the song above. It helps me.

[Haphazard]

You're an NT. That in and of itself is enough to make you inhuman.