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Lethe

07-21-2008, 01:31 AM

I understand NT's well as my Husband is an INTJ and I appreciate their honesty. I find most NF's either too gentle and worried about hurting my feelings or if they're hurt by something I've said to them (bluntly) in the past they seem to lash out spitefully when the opportunity presents itself. Somewhere in the middle is where I see myself.

The idea that I am a sensor makes me :laugh:. It may also be a spite issue as well. I feel that some feelers don't forgive as easily as I do. I'm not one to hold grudges especially on a forum. I will respect members however if I feel someone is being treated unfairly I will say so. Champion of the downtrodden most certainly.

I would assume this is the reason why you are not sure about being in the NF camp? ;)

I think this is because you acknowledge that in order to achieve an understanding, there will be some uncomfortable conflicts down the road. You can see importance of the bigger picture and usually do not get stuck in the minute details such as being offended about statements that could potentially serve a greater good.

The inflexibility in forgiving may lie beyond the thinking/feeling line. From my personal experience, this is a trend that occurs amongst the Js, especially the IXTJs. :yes: I know I can be one of these people because I once held a three-year grudge against a friend. :blush: The fact I didn't want to admit to myself that I felt ill-willed against her and that she truly hurt me probably gave it the long-lasting power. :doh: Underdeveloped Fi, I'd say.

Jeffster

07-21-2008, 01:36 AM

I've been mentally abused by sensors throughout my childhood and it continues to happen. it's difficult and painful for me to discuss so stop pouring salt on my wounds. :cry:

You know, I think I've felt some abuse from several "N" types, so I can sorta relate. I don't hold the actions of any person against any unrelated person, though, and I can assure you that will receive no abuse from me. I like to get to know and get along with as many people as I can, regardless of their information input sources. :)

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 01:38 AM

That won't be necessary. I am more interested in how others perceive me. Sure typing me as a sensor would be insulting since I've clashed with them for as long as I can remember. It wasn't until discovering INTPc and later MBTIc that I finally realised why I've felt different to the general sensing population all my life. Different modes of operation and I don't like their rules and inability to see things from all angles.

You're not a sensor, and yes, there's why.

I know ISFJs, I've lived with lots of them or been friends with them, and your Ni is quite distinguishable in our conversations.

Cafe out of everyone on here (minus my husband) seems to understand exactly where I'm coming from 99.5 percent of the time. I think proteanmix gets me as well.

That's the other key point. You, and Cafe, and PM *all* have very strong Fe senses... regardless of whether it's dominant (for PM) or secondary (for you and cafe).

I think you and cafe also tend to use your Fe more than your Ni (unlike some other INFJs who feel more "ethereal" because they are Ni'ing a lot of the time), which is why both you and she feel so tangible compared to the stronger Ni'ers and some people have confused you for sensors. It's the strength of the Fe that I think confuses people, and it's why you also sometimes get mistaken for an extrovert.

disregard

07-21-2008, 01:58 AM

Actually I think you are ENFJ.

I see Ni in you in addition to the obvious dom Fe.

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 02:06 AM

Actually I think you are ENFJ.
I see Ni in you in addition to the obvious dom Fe.

Compared her to Pink Pirahna and Looking4BestNU, and you'll see the difference.

heart

07-21-2008, 02:18 AM

Compared her to Pink Pirahna and Looking4BestNU, and you'll see the difference.

This is why these threads are really so probelmatic. The OP asks for feedback, says they want honest feedback. Feedback can only be given from what is given on the board and then when other people DO give their honest feedback, they are challenged and debated as if there were from the opening only one acceptable answer. So if there was only one acceptable answer, then why bother with the poll and post to begin with? :huh: I just don't understand.

It is more like fishing deliberately for people who think one's type is something else and then wanting to defend and debate them for thinking it. If one feels secure in their type and it is working for them as a tool for self understanding and discovery, what does it matter what others think their type is, especially since they don't fully know them in offline life?

I mean, let's all face it. We all speculate about the correctness of type in others, it is part of the anaylsis of this sort of thing. Does it really matter so much what others may think if we are sure of our own type?

EDIT: Also one cannot expect truly honest and open answers in polls when they are public. Especially when there appears to be only one correct answer.

Jen

07-21-2008, 02:28 AM

lol why am I not surprised? if this isn't your thing then why involve yourself?

edit: what I mean by why am I not surprised is that you nit pick everything and truthfully I was hoping you would answer me honestly and dissect me as only you can but instead you've skirted around it. Typing me as a sensor to me seems preposterous and if you don't agree with me that's okay, really. :)

heart

07-21-2008, 02:31 AM

lol why am I not surprised? if this isn't your thing then why involve yourself?

Jen, if you don't truly want outside perspective why are you asking for it?

I want to understand, that's why I ask.

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 02:31 AM

This is why these threads are really so probelmatic. The OP asks for feedback, says they want honest feedback. Feedback can only be given from what is given on the board and then when other people DO give their honest feedback, they are challenged and debated as if there were from the opening only one acceptable answer. So if there was only one acceptable answer, then why bother with the poll and post to begin with? :huh: I just don't understand.

If there is no interplay between answers, to clarify the information being given and the reason for me, or you, or whomever else, to see our particular choices as more valid than other information, then we might as well just PM Jen the responses and not bother to talk to each other at all.

If we are going to discuss it publicly, then I think it's realistic to expect (1) people to disagree and (2) people to explain why they disagree.

My point here was merely to say, if someone else claims Jen's an ENFJ, "Well, she sure doesn't look like other ENFJs." That's something that must be explained away if someone's going to persist in an ENFJ read. That's just part of an impersonal assess, right?

If you'd like a more personal approach where everyone's opinion is equally valid without any explanation having to be given, well, that's nice.

I do agree, though, that typing someone is difficult online; and sometimes even seems to be a pointless endeavor in terms of helpfulness. (I mean, if Jen believes herself something, then she probably won't care what someone else thinks... so yes, the conversation is rather pointless.) So sure, go ahead and ask her to explain why she's asking at all; that makes sense.

And with that, my investment concludes for this topic. ;)

Ivy

07-21-2008, 02:33 AM

If there is no interplay between answers, to clarify the information being given and the reason for me, or you, or whomever else, to see our particular choices as more valid than other information, then we might as well just PM Jen the responses and not bother to talk to each other at all.

If we are going to discuss it publicly, then I think it's realistic to expect (1) people to disagree and (2) people to explain why they disagree.

My point here was merely to say, if someone else claims Jen's an ENFJ, "Well, she sure doesn't look like other ENFJs." That's something that must be explained away if someone's going to persist in an ENFJ read. That's just part of an impersonal assess, right?

If you'd like a more personal approach where everyone's opinion is equally valid without any explanation having to be given, well, that's nice.

I do agree, though, that typing someone is difficult online; and sometimes even seems to be a pointless endeavor in terms of helpfulness. (I mean, if Jen believes herself something, then she probably won't care what someone else thinks... so yes, the conversation is rather pointless.)

And with that, my investment I think concludes for this topic.

You don't really seem much like other INTPs, but that isn't enough to make you not be one, IMO. When you reduce 6 billion people to 16 types, there is going to be A LOT of variety among the folks sharing a type.

heart

07-21-2008, 02:38 AM

Jennifer, Jen accused people of voting out of "spite" and then she accused them of being too soft out of fear of hurting her feelings. I get very confused by this line of reasoning. I want to understand it better.

Jen does come accross as being very Fe on this board. I have never comminicated with her IM so I cannot know her any other way. Cafe does not seem as strongly Fe in most of her postings. So to my view Jen could very well be ExFJ, but the very thought seems to be an anthema to her so I didn't vote. Jen knows herself better than any of us can. I just don't understand why she wants external opinions and yet accuses those who give it as being motivated by "spite" when they don't give the answer that is in harmony with her view.

I understand NT's well as my Husband is an INTJ and I appreciate their honesty. I find most NF's either too gentle and worried about hurting my feelings or if they're hurt by something I've said to them (bluntly) in the past they seem to lash out spitefully when the opportunity presents itself. Somewhere in the middle is where I see myself.

The idea that I am a sensor makes me :laugh:. It may also be a spite issue as well. I feel that some feelers don't forgive as easily as I do. I'm not one to hold grudges especially on a forum. I will respect members however if I feel someone is being treated unfairly I will say so. Champion of the downtrodden most certainly.

Randomnity

07-21-2008, 02:38 AM

You don't come across to me like the INFJs I know. Of course, people can vary dramatically within a type.

I will say that from an "outsider" perspective you actually come across as somewhat ESFJ to me. Not completely, but certainly more than INFJ. I trust your friends/your opinion, of course, but you asked how you appear, so I'm answering.

edit: to add a real-life aspect, I know 2 ESFJs quite well in RL and the way you act here is very similar to how they act, and not at all like my INFJ roommate. However I haven't met you in RL either and that may change my opinion.

Jen

07-21-2008, 02:41 AM

Jen, if you don't truly want outside perspective why are you asking for it?

I want to understand, that's why I ask.See my edit. You're putting words into my mouth. I never said I didn't want outside perspectives but I will disagree if I think something is off.

The reason I posted a "type me" thread in the What's my Type section is because over the last week I've been told I'm really more like an ENFP and another member thought of me as a ESFP so I thought I'd throw this out there one more time for fun and see what others thought. The sensor thing confuses me because I do have issues with the stereotype but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. I may have booed upon first reading it but I can assure you I'm over it already.

Heart your post made me smile. Why? Because in the past I've been called on more than one occasion "Intense" and an "Enigma" and I've never met anyone that struck me this way until I met you on this forum. And I mean this in a good way. You are fascinating. :yes:

heart

07-21-2008, 02:45 AM

Jen

07-21-2008, 02:51 AM

Jen, disagreeing is one thing, but you accuse people who don't agree with you of being motivated by spite.

Plus, you seem very sure of your type so I am very curious what you are looking for in these threads.I'm an upfront person so I'll be honest. Dana knows full well that I'm not a sensor but she voted that way. Geoff did as well but the difference is that Geoff is Geoff and he's a fair unbiased person from what I've viewed of his behavior on this forum as well as appearing level headed. I don't have any issues with Dana personally but her vote was odd because I know she knows that's not who I am. Dana is very smart and intuitive. As for BW I didn't give his vote much thought either way and I don't mean that in a spiteful way, it's just that I haven't interacted with him on the forum at all so as far as I'm concerned he doesn't know who I am.

I'm here to understand myself and if I can take something positive away from this thread then I will be a step closer to becoming a better person. What is a better person to me? I'm not sure yet.

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 02:56 AM

The idea that I am a sensor makes me :laugh:.
ESFJ.

:hi:

Actually I'm not sure, you probably are ENFJ, but borderline on the F/T so I voted for the one more likely to annoy you.

:P

Anonymous

07-21-2008, 02:58 AM

I voted ISFJ because you seem I-FJ to me, but somehow fundamentally different from INFJs I've come across. More earthy and aesthetic or something, I'm not sure. I also work for an ISFJ, and you remind me a lot of her.

Edit: Now I'm having second thoughts about the I/E, though.

disregard

07-21-2008, 03:00 AM

I'm an upfront person so I'll be honest. Dana knows full well that I'm not a sensor but she voted that way. Geoff did as well but the difference is that Geoff is Geoff and he's a fair unbiased person from what I've viewed of his behavior on this forum as well as appearing level headed. I don't have any issues with Dana personally but her vote was odd because I know she knows that's not who I am. Dana is very smart and intuitive. As for BW I didn't give his vote much thought either way and I don't mean that in a spiteful way, it's just that I haven't interacted with him on the forum at all so as far as I'm concerned he doesn't know who I am.

Hmm... I honestly thought you were ESFJ. You are outgoing. You are interested in the here and now. You approach things personally. And you are a J if I ever saw one.

E-S-F-J

disregard

07-21-2008, 03:09 AM

Ah.. forget the outgoing bit. You are "externally oriented".

Jen

07-21-2008, 03:09 AM

Actually I think you are ENFJ.

I see Ni in you in addition to the obvious dom Fe.Hmm... I honestly thought you were ESFJ. You are outgoing. You are interested in the here and now. You approach things personally. And you are a J if I ever saw one.

E-S-F-JAh.. forget the outgoing bit. You are "externally oriented".Goodness. :rolleyes:

I don't talk about my past or future to many on here because I hate sharing. It's taken me a long time to go back into my blog again and discuss anything. Sharing my hopes and dreams with people is icky for me and I'm also not comfortable talking about my past but have opened up some with a few members. I am more inward with my feelings and thoughts that's why you won't find me sharing and caring online. As for the future I have it all mapped out but know that things don't always work out the way we want them to so I have back up plans as well. My mother has told me since I was young that she never thought about the things that I do but thats because shes an ISFJ and doesn't get me at all.

proteanmix

07-21-2008, 03:11 AM

I'll just use myself as an example, I used to be pretty anxious about being a sensor. I see qualities in myself in either category and I'm no longer concerned with fitting neatly into on or the other. Some people think I'm an ESFJ and others think I'm an ENFJ. Don't get caught up in the foolishness that being a sensor is a lesser than. I recently read a beautiful description of Si from an ISTJ and I'd never even conceived of Si in that way. MBTI enthusiasts tend to attribute such negative to sensing qualities that who would want to be associated with it? I'm saying this to get you all lubed up. I encourage you to research the sensing function to see where it will lead you. I think most people on the forum look for more visible and concrete (deliciously ironic) manifestations of the N function to prove that you're really an intuitive which is the forum watermark. And for cripes sake, DO NOT compare yourself to other ENFJs on the forum! Are there even three regularly posting ENFJs? Don't bother. Frankly I think everyone has been primed towards Pink's type of ENFJness and that's what they're looking for.

That said, I do think you're an ENFJ (and I can see ESFJ as well...don't grind my bones and bake me into a rhubarb pie!!:eek::puppy_dog_eyes:), although more low-key and less interested in harmonizing. Still more ENFJ. I personally think you're more psychological and than people think. I don't think your fluffiness is all frou-frou. I think ENFJs or ESFJs can be more into emotional expression vs. harmonizing and connecting. I've always thought you were a more expressive NFJ and harmonizing can fall by the wayside. It's is cool because I'm about 50/50 with how often I like to harmonize and connect with others as well and depending on when you meet me I may be extremely outgoing or get into an argument with you. :D

Reasons why I think you're an ENFJ aren't all typologically related. Mainly because you're all the way live. This is what I relate to with you: sometimes when I read what you do and say to people I start laughing because that's what I do myself. You seem direct, WYSIWYG, unafraid to be confrontational even though you prefer not to. Emotionally reactive, which can be positive or negative. I thought it was especially cute when you said you cut your family's toenails for them, but that just seems like something a Fe-dom would do, IDK.

And I don't view extroversion/introversion by how much you like or don't like to be around people. I've met some ornery and unsocial extroverts and Fe dominants. I've also seen more tertiary Se than Ti with you. When I can't tell a dominant function I go looking for other functions. Where's your Ti? How well do you use it?

disregard

07-21-2008, 03:12 AM

Goodness. ;)
I don't talk about my past or future to many on here because I hate sharing. It's taken me a long time to go back into my blog again and discuss anything. Sharing my hopes and dreams with people is icky for me and I'm also not comfortable talking about my past but have opened up some with a few members. I am more inward with my feelings and thoughts that's why you won't find me sharing and caring online. As for the future I have it all mapped out but know that things don't always work out the way we want them to so I have back up plans as well. My mother has told me since I was young that she never thought about the things that I do but thats because shes an ISFJ and doesn't get me at all.

Ah.. now this is a Jen with whom have not made acquaintance.

I never see you open up.

I am telling you, I do believe you are NFJ.

Keep talking like this (or perhaps I should read your blog?) and I will be able to discern the rest.

Ivy

07-21-2008, 03:13 AM

What proteanmix said! times infinity :D

Jeffster

07-21-2008, 03:19 AM

Whew. Now that that's settled, what type am I?

:laugh:

Jen

07-21-2008, 03:20 AM

Whew. Now that that's settled, what type am I?

:laugh:I know this will come as a huge shock and disappointment to you but you're an ISFP. ;P

pm I am still mulling over your post and would like to analyze it just a bit longer. ;)

Jeffster

07-21-2008, 03:28 AM

I know this will come as a huge shock and disappointment to you but you're an ISFP. ;P

No way, I need your in-depth reasons why, full analysis and stuff, otherwise I won't believe I'm one of those filthy sensors. :eek:

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 03:31 AM

I recently read a beautiful description of Si from an ISTJ and I'd never even conceived of Si in that way.

Si is hella fun.

alicia91

07-21-2008, 03:51 AM

More earthy and aesthetic or something, I'm not sure.

I don't know you very well, but my impression of you is exactly that - earthy and aesthetic. You seem quite traditional in many ways, really into the mothering-parenting role and at the same time you seem quite down-to-earth and concrete. Your lanuage is more here and now and non-abstract. Those are just some of the things that immediately come to mind.

I think some of your ideas about sensors are quite innacurate and stereotyped. Many sensors I know (myself included) are great at seeing things from different angles - that's why many sensors are business exectutives, private investigators, FBI agents, psycologists etc. Look at some of Linda Berens info - you'll get a more balanced perspective from some her work IMO.

Randomnity

07-21-2008, 04:08 AM

You're not a sensor, and yes, there's why.

Hm, just noticed this. I don't like other people's rules or people who can't see the world from other perspectives either, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone, either in the intuitive or sensor segment of the population. Most reasonable people fit into that category, I think.

I don't doubt the validity of your overall appraisal (though I've had a different impression) but I don't think this particular trait tells you much at all.

side point: It also strikes me as highly amusing for someone to dislike "people who can't see the world from all angles" while simultaneously having such a negative view of the sensor population, sight-unseen. :laugh:

Edahn

07-21-2008, 04:15 AM

I've said before that you seem to have two modes that you post in. One I would describe as ESFJ, the other as IxFJ.

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:22 AM

side point: It also strikes me as highly amusing for someone to dislike "people who can't see the world from all angles" while simultaneously having such a negative view of the sensor population, sight-unseen. :laugh:Hilarious isn't it? ;) I live in a predominately SFJ area and grew up with an SJ mother and I find them very annoying.

Have you considered that maybe you're not an IStP?

Edit: I also want to clarify that I don't put all my faith in MBTI and realize that there are many factors in psychoanalyzing a person.

Wolf

07-21-2008, 04:31 AM

Compared her to Pink Pirahna and Looking4BestNU, and you'll see the difference.
Yeah, definitely not ENFJ. I like the ones I've met here. Actually, I like the other confirmed one I know, but for a long time she didn't like me. Now she's grown a soft spot for me, keeping us all together and filling the void my brother (her husband) has left.

The jury is out, I can't call it.

I voted ISFJ because you seem I-FJ to me, but somehow fundamentally different from INFJs I've come across. More earthy and aesthetic or something, I'm not sure. I also work for an ISFJ, and you remind me a lot of her.
Pretty much...no. It's quite clear that she's not an ISFJ, or at least not a normal one, in spite of the curious pattern of INTJs with ISFJs. She just doesn't show the patterns of one. Shimpei is a prime example of an ISFJ, and Jen's patterns are nothing like hers, nor the other ISFJs I know.

scantilyclad

07-21-2008, 04:45 AM

i can see INFP

i don't see INFP at all. Perhaps you are seeing something i dont?

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:55 AM

Outside of INFJ I've only ever scored INTJ on MBTI tests and the INTJ results were likely because I was in a pissy mood when I answered the questions.

Husband says INFJ normally and when tired or ill INTJ.

cafe

07-21-2008, 05:17 AM

XNFJ

X - You aren't shy, but you don't really need to be around people and you have to recharge with alone time and naps to keep up the pace you go at.

N - You have fairly traditional morals, but other than that your outlook is pretty unconventional.

F - You are more people/values oriented than task oriented.

J - You are goal/closure oriented.

Whatever you are, it doesn't really matter to me. You get me. :wubbie: You're my friend and I think you rock. :hug:

heart

07-21-2008, 06:23 AM

Goodness. :rolleyes:

I don't talk about my past or future to many on here because I hate sharing. It's taken me a long time to go back into my blog again and discuss anything. Sharing my hopes and dreams with people is icky for me and I'm also not comfortable talking about my past but have opened up some with a few members. I am more inward with my feelings and thoughts that's why you won't find me sharing and caring online. As for the future I have it all mapped out but know that things don't always work out the way we want them to so I have back up plans as well. My mother has told me since I was young that she never thought about the things that I do but thats because shes an ISFJ and doesn't get me at all.

Jen, if you don't show your cards then others cannot see the real you. It is your perogative to decide how much of yourself to show, but if you chose to put a mask out there for public consumption then it seems strange to become upset when people don't "get" the real you. Being N doesn't equate to psychic.

It takes real risk to interact meaningfully with people.

Are you uncertain about your type? Are you feeling that you aren't getting good, useful feedback from studying the INFJ archetype that you can apply to your life? This is all that really matters, how useful has it been for you to use the information on INFJ in your self-discovery process. If INFJ is not giving you useful information to use then yes maybe you should seek out different possiblities, but then from your responses it seems that you feel very certain about your type?

Geoff

07-21-2008, 12:02 PM

I'm an upfront person so I'll be honest. Dana knows full well that I'm not a sensor but she voted that way. Geoff did as well but the difference is that Geoff is Geoff and he's a fair unbiased person from what I've viewed of his behavior on this forum as well as appearing level headed.

I'm here to understand myself and if I can take something positive away from this thread then I will be a step closer to becoming a better person. What is a better person to me? I'm not sure yet.

After reading some of your posts about how you think, and the realisation that you face this forum with your Fe, I'm amending my vote to ESFJ. Maybe with a well developed secondary somewhere intuitive!

alcea rosea

07-21-2008, 12:34 PM

My best guess is ExFJ.
Your strong intuition would say ENFJ.
eNFJ rather.

On the other hand you could be INFJ too because the INFJ's I know are not revealing themselves to people and you seem to hold yourself back somehow.

So my final answer to your guestion is: I have no idea!

Jen

07-21-2008, 01:06 PM

Just to clarify I did say in the OP, "those of you who are familiar with me" and I do realize that most people aren't mind readers.
One of the Keirseys descriptions of an INFJ that I really relate to is this. "This type of idealist has strong empathetic abilities and can become aware of another's emotions or intentions-good or evil-even before that person is conscious of them." When I joined INTPc I knew Ivy, Cafe and I would connect in some way even though it may have not been evident to them at first. Sure we all are stay at home Mom's but so are others on this forum that I haven't bothered to get to know. alcea (thank you for your post) is another stay at home mum who I have connected with but it was her Ne that caused this.

I don't share personal information because I am aware that people may either use it against me in the future and tell me what I should do without my asking. I hate unsolicited advice and being told what to do. The few that I have let into my real world are trustworthy and dependable and I value our friendship.

I'd also like to point out that extroverts don't spend as much time online as I do. As some of you may know I met my husband online years ago and it was so much easier for he and I to get to know one another that way. Same goes for meeting friends.

The_Liquid_Laser

07-21-2008, 01:15 PM

Jen, I can't say I've read all of your (nearly 3000) posts, but based on what I've read you're an INFJ. From what I have gathered from INFJ's, they often come across as ESFJ and ESFP to most people. Actually I'd say they look like an ESFx with a slightly plainer personality than a normal ESFx. That is unless people see through their cracks to get clues into their inner INFJ world. I generally think INFJ's seem like the most simple personality to most people, while actually being the most complex personality if you get to know them.

So here is the rundown in my thinking. Your posting style often resembles an ExFJ, but you are so intensely family oriented more like an IxFJ. The extraverted appearance while actually being an introvert is a frequent trait of INxJ's. Also you've posted some things that remind me of the way my wife thinks, so that also makes me think INFJ. From this thread it seems like you are very interested in what people think of you, which is typical for an INFJ as well. So overall I'd say you are pretty solidly an INFJ. :)

Rajah

07-21-2008, 01:34 PM

I'd also like to point out that extroverts don't spend as much time online as I do. As some of you may know I met my husband online years ago and it was so much easier for he and I to get to know one another that way. Same goes for meeting friends.I used to say the same thing. But now I think some Es can easily satisfy their extraversion through online interaction.

Rajah

07-21-2008, 01:38 PM

So here is the rundown in my thinking. Your posting style often resembles an ExFJ, but you are so intensely family oriented more like an IxFJ. Yeah, but here's the ENFJ profile:

ENFJs are, by definition, Js, with whom we associate organization and decisiveness. But they don't resemble the SJs or even the NTJs in organization of the environment nor occasional recalcitrance. ENFJs are organized in the arena of interpersonal affairs. Their offices may or may not be cluttered, but their conclusions (reached through feelings) about people and motives are drawn much more quickly and are more resilient than those of their NFP counterparts.

ENFJs know and appreciate people. Like most NFs, (and Feelers in general), they are apt to neglect themselves and their own needs for the needs of others. They have thinner psychological boundaries than most, and are at risk for being hurt or even abused by less sensitive people. ENFJs often take on more of the burdens of others than they can bear.Both bolded parts seem a lot to me like Jen.

Dominant Feeling prefers to find the silver lining in even the most beggarly perceptions of those in their expanding circle of friends and, of course, in themselves. In less balanced individuals, such mitigation of the unseemly eventually undermines the ENFJ's integrity and frequently their good name. In healthier individuals, deft use of this awareness of the inner needs and desires of others enables this astute type to win friends, influence people, and avoid compromising entanglements.Jen.

FWIW.

Randomnity

07-21-2008, 01:45 PM

Hilarious isn't it? ;) I live in a predominately SFJ area and grew up with an SJ mother and I find them very annoying.

Have you considered that maybe you're not an IStP?

Edit: I also want to clarify that I don't put all my faith in MBTI and realize that there are many factors in psychoanalyzing a person.
I hope I didn't offend you. I just find it easy to spot ironic inconsistencies in people, and sometimes point them out when perhaps I shouldn't. FJs do tend to find that irritating, now that I think of it....

I've considered it, many times. Though I don't fit the stereotype very well, there is no other type I identify more with, and I do identify with the ISTPs here. I just don't think I'm one of those people who fit neatly into a box (particularly one defined by the unpleasant sensors in another individual's life, who may not even be all sensors and certainly weren't the only sensors around, who may not be representative even of other individuals of the same type, let alone all sensors, etc etc ;)).

colmena

07-21-2008, 02:18 PM

I don't know you very well, but any of the xxFJ variables wouldn't surprise me.

I wouldn't have thought INFJ, because you don't seem to communicate like them. But I also get the impression you're different and easier-going IRL, so I might be wrong. This might also explain the ambiguity.

Economica

07-21-2008, 02:25 PM

As an Ni dominant who's also been (I believe sincerely) typed on this board as an ESJ, I'm wary of disbelieving your self-identification just because you don't conform, at all, to the expectations established by my (not too extensive, but decent) experience with INFJs: My own auxiliary function, Te, is highly developed and so I am directive and can do a pretty good imitation of the so-sorry-you-have-to-die mentality :whistling: when I am motivated to do so by self-assured, idiosyncratic Ni and/or inferior Fi and/or my non-function related psychological problems, whatever ;); the point is that I have been known to act out like a Te dominant with a black-white approach that I guess has been construed as evidence of Si.

I figure your case could be parallel to mine; you obviously use Fe and since you don't really do the Ni-Ti airy philosophizing*, that's all most people see of you. In addition (you mentioned somewhere that you value INTJ honesty, right? :cry:), your particular brand of Fe strikes me as very tangible and (I mean well if that's any consolation) somewhat shallow. It seems to me you seek to bond over trivialities...:

What's your (real) first name? (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/5960-what-s-your-real-first-name.html) <-- Personally I couldn't care less what people's real names are (except that I take a name exchange via PMs as a signal of increased intimacy).
Post a picture of your feet (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/5574-post-picture-your-feet.html) <-- :huh:
What's your favorite soda? (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/4111-favorite-soda.html) <-- :huh:
Preferred cuisines (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/3176-preferred-cuisines.html) <-- :huh:

... and also that you do your best to reinforce a high school-like element of cliquishness:

MBTIc Awards Banquet (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/3463-mbtic-awards-banquet-casual-attire-preferred.html)
Proteanmix vs. Uberfuhrer (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/graveyard/4327-proteanmix-vs-uberfurer.html)

... which no INFJ I know did when they were in high school.

However, if you were really as tangibly oriented as you appear to be, I don't think you'd be posting here so much, and also as I looked up your threads I did find some more abstract OPs of yours. So I could buy that you're an INFJ. Whatever your type, I have a guess at your motivation for seeking to bond in these ways, namely your low self-esteem...:

Why do I always (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/4860-why-do-i-always.html)

... which could be making you simultaneously hungry for affirmation and terrified of letting anyone get to know the real you, thus leading you to interact with others in safe ways that dumb you down (IMO) rather than risk getting rejected for who you really are. Have you considered getting therapy? (I mean well, damnit! :doh:)

* Writing this made me wonder about the INTJ Ni-Fi parallel to the INFJ's Ni-Ti airy philosophizing - I'd be grateful if someone could identify it for me.

proteanmix

07-21-2008, 03:11 PM

Jen, I know this has been brought up already but you're beginning to insist you're an INFJ. If you knew all along what type you are then why'd you bother? I know that you said you wanted to get people's perceptions of you but now that you have it (and according to the poll it's ExFJ or ixFJ) what are you going to do with the information? You have people's perceptions and now what? It does seem that since people aren't confirming what type you believe you are that you're a bit disappointed. Most of the people that have commented are longtime members and you have one of the most commented and viewed "What's my Type" threads in the subforum.

Being somewhat sensitive and defensive towards criticism, I try not to open myself up to criticism that I'm not yet able to handle. When I feel like I'm ready to get punched in the gut and still get up off the floor and say "I'm aight!" is when I solicit. It's confusing when people comment about you and then you disregard what they say when you asked for it yourself (do that too so I understand :)). As much as I love to disagree with Bluewing, I actually kinda think you should've started out with what type you think you are so people can either agree or disagree.

Overall, it doesn't really matter what type you are. People like you here and you've found a place where you feel comfortable. If you find that you're having troubles with the Sensors in your life, I've found that since they make up the majority of the population and I have knowledge that will help me communicate better with them I might as well use it to make my life easier instead of using it as a wall to barricade myself inside of (I do that with other majority/minority interactions as well ;)). You have more knowledge so utilize it to your advantage.

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 03:26 PM

Your posting style often resembles an ExFJ, but you are so intensely family oriented more like an IxFJ.
What? My ESFJ mother-in-law is insanely family oriented.

Jen

07-21-2008, 03:57 PM

Why do I always (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/4860-why-do-i-always.html)

... which could be making you simultaneously hungry for affirmation and terrified of letting anyone get to know the real you, thus leading you to interact with others in safe ways that dumb you down (IMO) rather than risk getting rejected for who you really are. Have you considered getting therapy? (I mean well, damnit! :doh:)

I'm bored most of the time. I gave up working 7 years ago to stay home with our children and I am grateful for having that opportunity however there's only so much cooking, cleaning and communicating with children one can take so I am here mostly shoot the shit, goof off and have fun.

As for the therapy thing, I've had it in the past and more often times than not I am analyzing the therapist. The last two therapists that I took our son to behaved as if I intimidated them. I look people in the eye when they're speaking and that makes a lot of people very uncomfortable. they also don't seem to like it when i ask them questions or try and discuss psychology with them.

Believe me when I say this, I am not upset and you haven't said anything that has offended however all those emoticons are annoying and not needed. a few (just enough so I would know you weren't being an asshole) would have been fine. :)

pm I can be a moody pita and that's the truth. thank you for your posts and I really do like you. it is also likely true that i am borderline E/I F/T depending on my mood. I can be a cold hearted bitch at times and a compassionate loving person other times. I think worthy people deserve help and would be there in a heartbeat for those individuals if called upon.

DeliriousDisposition

07-21-2008, 04:01 PM

For some time now you've reminded me of an ENFJ. ;)

What proteanmix said! times infinity :D

I had some intense deja-vu reading your post right after reading pro's lol

Hilarious isn't it? I live in a predominately SFJ area and grew up with an SJ mother and I find them very annoying.

I'd also like to point out that extroverts don't spend as much time online as I do. As some of you may know I met my husband online years ago and it was so much easier for he and I to get to know one another that way. Same goes for meeting friends.

I agree with Rajah on viewing online interaction as a form of extroverting. As you're a stay at home mom, and if you are an extrovert, you might be satisfying your extroversion through online communities since you don't identify with most, if not all, of the SFJs in your area. If you avoid or just keep contact to a minimum because you find them annoying and that you can't relate to them, it might also be why it's easier to communicate online with people with whom you better relate to, thus satisfying your Fe.

Can you stay connected to these communities (MBTIc/INTPc/etc) and with others online, whether through PMs or IMs, for extended amounts of time without needing a long break from them? This might be a way to gauge your level of extroversion too.

disregard

07-21-2008, 04:11 PM

it is also likely true that i am borderline E/I F/T depending on my mood. I can be a cold hearted bitch at times and a compassionate loving person other times.

One can easily conceive a Feeler to be a cold-hearted bitch, as the Feeler is in greater touch with the human element, and is thus exposed to a greater amount of opportunities to perceive an offense on his or her values or feelings. Thinkers are more given to indifference in such matters.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 04:15 PM

GO ESFJ, GO!

Geoff

07-21-2008, 04:19 PM

I'm bored most of the time. I gave up working 7 years ago to stay home with our children and I am grateful for having that opportunity however there's only so much cooking, cleaning and communicating with children one can take so I am here mostly shoot the shit, goof off and have fun.

As for the therapy thing, I've had it in the past and more often times than not I am analyzing the therapist. The last two therapists that I took our son to behaved as if I intimidated them. I look people in the eye when they're speaking and that makes a lot of people very uncomfortable. they also don't seem to like it when i ask them questions or try and discuss psychology with them.

Believe me when I say this, I am not upset and you haven't said anything that has offended however all those emoticons are annoying and not needed. a few (just enough so I would know you weren't being an asshole) would have been fine. :)

pm I can be a moody pita and that's the truth. thank you for your posts and I really do like you. it is also likely true that i am borderline E/I F/T depending on my mood. I can be a cold hearted bitch at times and a compassionate loving person other times. I think worthy people deserve help and would be there in a heartbeat for those individuals if called upon.

See, you *do* sound like an ESFJ here. Which is not intended to be negative! I have two good ESFJ friends, who are warm, wonderful intelligent people. I just think you are already biased against selecting such a type to even consider.

I suppose it is like all the ISTP's who select INTP when they are not. I may well be one of them (and I'd be much amused if I was a sensor, it'd be better than fitting a stereotype!)

Ivy

07-21-2008, 04:23 PM

When "sensor" becomes shorthand for "people who have been awful to me and who I don't like or understand," then of course you would hesitate to put yourself in that category. IMO the only fair use of MBTI divorces that kind of judgment and dispassionately observes whether people tend toward S or N traits. People who are assholes are that way not because they are a certain type, but because they are assholes. An ESFJ asshole will express differently from an INTP asshole, but no type has that market cornered.

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:25 PM

[quote=DeliriousDisposition;250946]For some time now you've reminded me of an ENFJ. ;)

I had some intense deja-vu reading your post right after reading pro's lol

I agree with Rajah on viewing online interaction as a form of extroverting. As you're a stay at home mom, and if you are an extrovert, you might be satisfying your extroversion through online communities since you don't identify with most, if not all, of the SFJs in your area. If you avoid or just keep contact to a minimum because you find them annoying and that you can't relate to them, it might also be why it's easier to communicate online with people with whom you better relate to, thus satisfying your Fe. I'm impressed. You've really been paying attention. :wub:

Can you stay connected to these communities (MBTIc/INTPc/etc) and with others online, whether through PMs or IMs, for extended amounts of time without needing a long break from them? This might be a way to gauge your level of extroversion too.Yes I do and at least one I communicate on the phone with on a regular basis. I don't pm a lot but have a few people who i stay in contact with via im. I do need interaction with others sometimes so I can see why people would type me ENFJ and I'm comfortable with that. I would say I'm mildly extroverted.

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 04:26 PM

An ESFJ asshole will express differently from an INTP asshole, but no type has that market cornered.
What about ESTJs?

:P

Ivy

07-21-2008, 04:26 PM

What about ESTJs?

:P

Well, when you get right down to it, all Ts are assholes anyway.

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 04:29 PM

Well, when you get right down to it, all Ts are assholes anyway.
That's true.

Ivy

07-21-2008, 04:30 PM

Somebody should just rename the dichotomies:

Spaz/Loner
Dullard/Dreamer
Asshole/Wuss
Slob/Tightass

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:33 PM

Edahn

07-21-2008, 04:37 PM

Somebody should just rename the dichotomies:

Spaz/Loner
Dullard/Dreamer
Asshole/Wuss
Slob/Tightass

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ivy

07-21-2008, 04:39 PM

edit: it's true that i should stop being judgmental against sensors and i might consider giving them slack in the future. i can see them coming a mile away. there's a look in their eyes sometimes it's vacant. the pinchy faced sfj stay at home moms who after speaking to them for several minutes i usually excuse myself because the conversation becomes unbearable.

Ivy if you are indeed an ISFJ then you're an exception to the rule. ;P

My point is that you don't really know these people are sensors. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy because you've equated "dull, vacant, unbearable" with sensor, but believe me, dull and vacant intuitives exist. They're just dull and vacant in a dreamy, flighty, disconnected direction instead of in a grounded, heavy direction. Interesting sensors are interesting in a concrete, hands-on direction; interesting intuitives are interesting in a taking flight, skimming the trees direction. I mean, just on this forum there are bunches of sensors who aren't dull, vacant, or unbearable, not to mention plenty of intuitives who are. ;)

And I'm not averse to being typed ISFJ--I know some wonderful ones and I wouldn't mind being in their company at all. I just don't think it fits me anymore; when I typed as ISFJ, I was not my healthiest self.

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:41 PM

I'd also like to add that I've witnessed NT's flip out worse than NF's on this forum and at INTPc. Several of the NT's have expressed hissy fit, whiny, bratty baby like behavior which I must admit came as a shock to me at the time.

Jen

07-21-2008, 04:42 PM

My point is that you don't really know these people are sensors. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy because you've equated "dull, vacant, unbearable" with sensor, but believe me, dull and vacant intuitives exist. They're just dull and vacant in a dreamy, flighty, disconnected direction instead of in a grounded, heavy direction. Interesting sensors are interesting in a concrete, hands-on direction; interesting intuitives are interesting in a taking flight, skimming the trees direction. I mean, just on this forum there are bunches of sensors who aren't dull, vacant, or unbearable, not to mention plenty of intuitives who are. ;)

And I'm not averse to being typed ISFJ--I know some wonderful ones and I wouldn't mind being in their company at all. I just don't think it fits me anymore; when I typed as ISFJ, I was not my healthiest self.blahblahblah... ;) :hug:

Oh and I'd like to be retyped SDAS thanks!

proteanmix

07-21-2008, 04:54 PM

...your particular brand of Fe strikes me as very tangible and (I mean well if that's any consolation) somewhat shallow. It seems to me you seek to bond over trivialities...:

What's your (real) first name? (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/5960-what-s-your-real-first-name.html) <-- Personally I couldn't care less what people's real names are (except that I take a name exchange via PMs as a signal of increased intimacy).
Post a picture of your feet (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/5574-post-picture-your-feet.html) <-- :huh:
What's your favorite soda? (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/4111-favorite-soda.html) <-- :huh:
Preferred cuisines (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/3176-preferred-cuisines.html) <-- :huh:

... and also that you do your best to reinforce a high school-like element of cliquishness:

MBTIc Awards Banquet (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/bonfire/3463-mbtic-awards-banquet-casual-attire-preferred.html)
Proteanmix vs. Uberfuhrer (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/graveyard/4327-proteanmix-vs-uberfurer.html)

... which no INFJ I know did when they were in high school.

However, if you were really as tangibly oriented as you appear to be, I don't think you'd be posting here so much, and also as I looked up your threads I did find some more abstract OPs of yours. So I could buy that you're an INFJ. Whatever your type, I have a guess at your motivation for seeking to bond in these ways, namely your low self-esteem...:

Why do I always (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/fluff-zone/4860-why-do-i-always.html)

... which could be making you simultaneously hungry for affirmation and terrified of letting anyone get to know the real you, thus leading you to interact with others in safe ways that dumb you down (IMO) rather than risk getting rejected for who you really are. Have you considered getting therapy? (I mean well, damnit! :doh:)

* Writing this made me wonder about the INTJ Ni-Fi parallel to the INFJ's Ni-Ti airy philosophizing - I'd be grateful if someone could identify it for me.

Hi Eco! We're about to have some psychoanalyzing fun!!:party2:

OK, so while I do understand this interpretation on what type of threads Jen starts I began to see what other purpose they serve when we were having server problems.

I was a little concerned that the forum was going to lose momentum in that there would be a bunch of new members posting but no one knowing each other, that the forum would have to go through another "getting to know you" phase. We lost a good number of quality contributors between December 2007 and up until the server problems were fixed. I thought that Jen's earlier threads (as fluffy as they were and I don't know if she did this intentionally or not) had a purpose in that gave people an opportunity to joke and play with each other. Some people think that the surest way to get to know the "real" of a another is by going straight to the Big Five (Sex/Sexuality, Politics, Religion, Race, Gender) but I've found that it's very easy to use those topics as cover up and obfuscate who a person is.

Most of the communication literature that I've read and my own experiences says that you can get a more accurate read on people in their natural state, when they're relaxed and their guards or down. For example, I thought the Super Hawt Female Thread was an absolutely EXCELLENT way of getting information from people in a seemingly innocuous playful thread. The Big Five tend to put people on the defensive and catalyze opinions to one end or the other and that is not natural unless you're a porcupine. I do think they have their place and are quite telling, but I prefer not to go that route and it seems to me that Jen prefers that as well. Which is why I've over the past few months come to see that her "trivial" threads aren't really all that trivial. I mean sometimes I'm like wow Jen new lows (I joke!! :D), but damn when I think about the conversations I have with people they're not much more "intellectual." I have serious conversations but they tend to be with people I know well and feel comfortable with unless my specific purpose in being there is to have a serious and intellectual conversation. I think there's a treasure trove of information to be gleaned from the Jen's threads in how people respond to them. If someone is all serious and never wants to participate in what some people believe to be superfluous conversation and everything needs to be deep, meaningful, and intellectual I think a person is telling a lot about themselves and how far the stick extends up their ass. And I've met people like that (surprise they tend to be Intuitives!!)

So yeah, I do and I don't agree with you about the purpose of Jen's threads. She definitely serves a very useful role on the forum.

And Jen: Seeing how you operate as the Black Team Captain, you seem pretty at ease organizing and mobilizing your team mates. Not to diss any of the other teams, but that kind of ease into slipping into the leadership position isn't as obvious with other team captains.

Haphazard

07-21-2008, 05:06 PM

The_Liquid_Laser

07-21-2008, 05:40 PM

Yeah, but here's the ENFJ profile:

Both bolded parts seem a lot to me like Jen.

Jen.

FWIW.

Again I want to say that I don't know a ton about Jen (I fully accept I may be wrong). At the same time all of the things bolded can describe INFJ's too. INFJ and ENFJ are pretty similar, but one of the main differences between E and I is quantity vs. quality. An ENFJ will neglect their own needs to satisfy the needs of those in their large group of friends, while an INFJ will neglect their own needs to satisfy the needs of a smaller core group. I don't really know which describes Jen better, but my hunch is that it's the latter.

What? My ESFJ mother-in-law is insanely family oriented.

Well every individual is different, but overall it's a matter of degree. ExFJ's will value their family, but they also usually socialize more and have a larger group of friends, so that they also spend a fair amount time with outside of their family. An IxFJ on the other hand will prefer to maintain a smaller core group, so they will tend put more time and attention toward their nuclear family.

Geoff

07-21-2008, 06:07 PM

Geoff if it makes you happy to think of me as an ESFP/J (whatever ;)) then I'm down with that because you've never given me a reason to dislike you. I probably know more about you than you would think because I am a gatherer of information and pics. ;P

See, this type of response is really odd. I assess your type and it ends with a comment as to whether you have cause to dislike me? And some oddity about gathering more information about me than I would think? I find it... strange.

What's going through your mind when you do this? It's classic ESFJ to me (or maybe ESTJ). That desire to stamp some authority on an interpersonal relationship, and make statements about what is "right" which you are barely keeping in check!

It's this that led me to the ESFJ (initially ESFP) the interpersonal stuff, the starting of threads that are very status oriented (awards etc)

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:09 PM

See, this type of response is really odd. I assess your type and it ends with a comment as to whether you have cause to dislike me? And some oddity about gathering more information about me than I would think? I find it... strange.

What's going through your mind when you do this? It's classic ESFJ to me (or maybe ESTJ). That desire to stamp some authority on an interpersonal relationship, and make statements about what is "right" which you are barely keeping in check!

It's this that led me to the ESFJ (initially ESFP) the interpersonal stuff, the starting of threads that are very status oriented (awards etc):D I totally knew you'd say that. ;)

Geoff

07-21-2008, 06:13 PM

:D I totally knew you'd say that. ;)

Exactly! You are using those superb interpersonal skills and ability to predict responsive behaviour ie exactly what an ESFJ would have!

PS it's not insulting, although you'll never see this any other way.

Rajah

07-21-2008, 06:13 PM

Hmm. I find the direction of this thread interesting/uncomfortable.

If you really want to know what people think of you, then let them tell you. Now you might have people with valid input and insight, but they may hesitate to respond because they perceive you're going to attack them for typing you in a way you don't want.

Roll with it, listen to the responses, and discard that which doesn't comport with your self-image. This thread is, or should be, an opportunity to learn about what drives you.

I think Geoff has made some interesting, insightful points, but I'm getting uncomfortable by the perception that you're dismissing them summarily. Since you invited the analysis, at least entertain it - don't be so quick to dismiss!

(I still think you're an E. ;) )

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:13 PM

Exactly! You are using those superb interpersonal skills and ability to predict responsive behaviour ie exactly what an ESFJ would have!

PS it's not insulting, although you'll never see this any other way.that's because I'm a stubborn NFJ. :party2:

pm FineLine said pretty much the same thing you said months ago about my threads. The Post a Picture of Your Feet thread was created so I could see who had nasty feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZvvRWKZYFc) and who looks after themselves well. You can tell a lot about a person's shoes but their feet gives you a deeper look into personal hygiene.

disregard

07-21-2008, 06:16 PM

Indeed, there is far too much "I like you! :hug:" in this thread.

Who cares if you like us? We're discussing your type, not our relationship with you.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 06:18 PM

Indeed, there is far too much "I like you! :hug:" in this thread.

Who cares if you like us? We're discussing your type, not our relationship with you.

See, that's why I said ESFJ!

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 06:19 PM

Damn, now I want my own "What's my Type?" thread.

Why is the "my" not capitalized, btw?

Ivy

07-21-2008, 06:20 PM

Probably because I didn't create the subforum. /haughty

Rajah

07-21-2008, 06:21 PM

Why is the "my" not capitalized, btw?Because it's only two letters.

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 06:22 PM

Probably because I didn't create the subforum. /haughty
I thought there might be some in-joke I missed.

I didn't create it either! /haughty as well

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 06:24 PM

Because it's only two letters.
But it's a noun!

Ivy

07-21-2008, 06:24 PM

I would capitalize it, since it's not an article, coordinating conjunction, or preposition. (http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/studio/6546/Wavs/fightm.wav)

Rajah

07-21-2008, 06:26 PM

I would capitalize it, since it's not an article, coordinating conjunction, or preposition. (http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/studio/6546/Wavs/fightm.wav)You're absolutely right. But I hate the way it looks.

(I totally just started a sentence with "but." Take that!)

proteanmix

07-21-2008, 06:27 PM

:blush:

Rajah

07-21-2008, 06:28 PM

:blush:I'm on your side.

Ivy

07-21-2008, 06:30 PM

We're just having a nerd-off. (TO THE DEATH!)

And for the record the only reason I know the grammar rules is because of editing middle school books. I never actually learned it, just went by feel. :)

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:30 PM

Edahn and Dana should hook up. Two peas in a pod.

As far as being liked, I don't actual think I am very well liked on here by many and it doesn't bother me (really). The people who do like me know who they are as I feel the same way about them.

I think there are aspects in all of us of other types at least for those of us who are active in the real world. I see some SJ in you Rajah from time to time but that is likely because of your stink as an attorney. You're not doing that anymore, right?

I do agree that I am not a stereotypical INFJ and honestly am confused about who I am some of the time. If you're all being honest with yourselves then you feel confused about who you really are sometimes as well.

I'm an only child and grew up with a lot of attention and while I'm more laid back about it at the age of 39 I still like occasionally being the center of attention. Old habits die hard.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 06:30 PM

This place is falling apart!

*cracks whip*

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 06:33 PM

I think there are aspects in all of us of other types at least for those of us who are active in the real world. I see some SJ in you Rajah from time to time but that is likely because of your stink as an attorney.
Ah crap, so I appear SJ at times too??? I even married one!

Who is in... law school!

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:34 PM

I love chaos. Let the thread fly into uncharted territories! wheeee!

we can clean up later.

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:34 PM

Ah crap, so I appear SJ at times too??? I even married one!

Who is in... law school!you're fucked in more ways than one.

Ivy

07-21-2008, 06:35 PM

I really enjoyed the phrase "your stink as an attorney." :D

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:37 PM

I really enjoyed the phrase "your stink as an attorney." :D:laugh::cry::laugh: slip of the tongue there fo sho. haha

disregard

07-21-2008, 06:38 PM

Edahn and Dana should hook up. Two peas in a pod.

Don't encourage us. :dont:

Jen

07-21-2008, 06:38 PM

Don't encourage us. :dont:beautiful raven haired brown eyed babies.

Rajah

07-21-2008, 07:03 PM

I really enjoyed the phrase "your stink as an attorney." :DGrrr. ;)

Frankly, who ever acts as a prototypical INTP all the time? Or a total INFJ?

Just cause you're an ENFJ (grin) doesn't mean you can't ever display S or T or P characteristics. And yes, you can be an ENFJ who needs to get away from people, or even one who's not particularly fond of people. Nobody wants 24-hour-a-day interaction.

I do find it telling, though, that I offered a critique, and you responded by essentially saying, "Yeah? Well, you look like an SJ! Take that!" I've been called every type under the sun, so I don't take offense to being called (at times!) an SJ. But it seems a little odd to me that you're reacting fairly strongly to the mildest form of critique - commentary you specifically invited.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter one whit whether we type you ESFJ, ENFJ, INFJ or QXBL. You're Jen, with uniquely Jen characteristics. You're funny Jen, and moody Jen, and happy Jen, and reactive Jen, and loving Jen, and lots of other things. How someone labels you isn't nearly as interesting as learning how they perceive you.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 07:07 PM

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter one whit whether we type you ESFJ, ENFJ, INFJ or QXBL. You're Jen, with uniquely Jen characteristics. You're funny Jen, and moody Jen, and happy Jen, and reactive Jen, and loving Jen, and lots of other things. How someone labels you isn't nearly as interesting as learning how they perceive you.

You're such an NF.

Jen

07-21-2008, 07:09 PM

I do find it telling, though, that I offered a critique, and you responded by essentially saying, "Yeah? Well, you look like an SJ! Take that!" I've been called every type under the sun, so I don't take offense to being called (at times!) an SJ. But it seems a little odd to me that you're reacting fairly strongly to the mildest form of critique - commentary you specifically invited.no no no no that's not at all the way I intended for that to mean. It was me saying that we all exhibit behavior of other "types" now and then. I was in fact agreeing with you.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter one whit whether we type you ESFJ, ENFJ, INFJ or QXBL. You're Jen, with uniquely Jen characteristics. You're funny Jen, and moody Jen, and happy Jen, and reactive Jen, and loving Jen, and lots of other things. How someone labels you isn't nearly as interesting as learning how they perceive you.Agreed and I pmed someone a while ago and said the same thing, only not as eloquently as you just did.

This isn't mean to come off as a snog fest but I respect your opinion on what type you think may or may not be. I am not always right. If someone would have asked me 10 months ago if I would wind up liking Rajah I'd have told them to go fuck themselves. Now I haven't met you in person yet but I feel quite confident that we'd get on rather well.

Rajah

07-21-2008, 07:09 PM

You're such an NF.Funny, I've said the same about you.

Jen

07-21-2008, 07:15 PM

Edahn you do react a lot and while sometimes you appear human and likable, other times you are like a spoiled brat looking to get a rise out of people.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 07:28 PM

Edahn you do react a lot and while sometimes you appear human and likable, other times you are like a spoiled brat looking to get a rise out of people.

...and?

Jen

07-21-2008, 07:31 PM

more NF than NT mixed with 80% A sounds about right to me. :)

Edahn

07-21-2008, 07:32 PM

more NF than NT mixed with 80% A sounds about right to me. :)

:cry:

disregard

07-21-2008, 07:33 PM

Do me! Do me!

Rajah

07-21-2008, 07:38 PM

Do me! Do me!Oh dear.

disregard

07-21-2008, 07:38 PM

I was talking to Jen, btw.

Geoff

07-21-2008, 07:38 PM

Marmite is the best type there is.

Rajah

07-21-2008, 07:42 PM

I was talking to Jen, btw.Oh I know. :)

I just anticipate/yearn for the worst in response to "do me."

/12-year-old boy

Edahn

07-21-2008, 07:47 PM

/12-year-old boy

Do me! Do me!

/tasteless

Jen

07-21-2008, 07:59 PM

I was talking to Jen, btw.You're not really able to be typed. You're intelligent, introverted and intuitive. You like to fuck with people and play games but when it spins around on you, it sets you off in a bad way. Not sure what is going on with your mind. When you were posting as CTG, weird stuff. You then came back as Dana. I wasn't around then so I can't really say.

As for you and Edahn, you two will likely get together. It wouldn't surprise me much if you two hook up when you move to Cali. I'm sure this has been discussed and if it hasn't it will be now. :) You two just might make this work. Edahn has commitment issues but I think you could be the girl to slap that right out of him.

Haphazard

07-21-2008, 08:03 PM

Oh, have the tables turned? Is Jen now typing people?

Night

07-21-2008, 08:04 PM

Jen / anyone - does the INTJ template fit me?

I'm thinking of revising it...

disregard

07-21-2008, 08:06 PM

Thanks for that Jen. (No snippyness to this remark.)

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 08:08 PM

Oh, have the tables turned? Is Jen now typing people?

I left for awhile, but I like this new twist. ;)

It's like a new spin on matchmaking.

Night

07-21-2008, 08:10 PM

I left for awhile, but I like this new twist. ;)

It's like a new spin on matchmaking.

I would be honored, Jennifer...

Although, I think I've tipped you off. ;)

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 08:17 PM

I would be honored, Jennifer...
Although, I think I've tipped you off. ;)

Oh, no -- I'm just watching the *other* Jen type everyone.

Plus, yeah... I don't wanna be accused of cheating.

Haphazard

07-21-2008, 08:20 PM

I left for awhile, but I like this new twist. ;)

It's like a new spin on matchmaking.

Oh! Oh! She should try me, then!

Rajah

07-21-2008, 09:01 PM

Do me! Do me!

/tastelessIf you insist...

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 09:47 PM

If you insist...

oooo, fun -- I've always wanted to <censored> David Schwimmer's and Tim Roth's love child!

... wait, what are we talking about again?

Rajah

07-21-2008, 09:51 PM

oooo, fun -- I've always wanted to <censored> David Schwimmer's and Tim Roth's love child!

... wait, what are we talking about again?
I've no idea, but I'm deeply afraid of whatever verb will be taking place of that "<censored>." I really hope it's "adopt."

Jennifer

07-21-2008, 09:53 PM

I've no idea, but I'm deeply afraid of whatever verb will be taking place of that "<censored>." I really hope it's "adopt."

Meh. I'm not sure I want to try to potty train and impose curfews on the Schwimmerothian spawn.

Edahn

07-21-2008, 09:54 PM

*Bows out of thread*

Jen

07-21-2008, 10:15 PM

Night, you are an INtJ. You care about people and I believe that sometimes your heart guides your decision making. IOW you're a thoughtful, respectful, intelligent individual with much to offer those around you, including your students. You're a loving husband and you'll be a great father when the time comes.

Jen

07-21-2008, 10:17 PM

Hap, I don't know you well enough but from the little interaction I've had with you INTJ sounds correct. It's nice to see healthy minded INTJ's such as yourself around and I like the insight you provided me on your type here (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/226832-post107.html).

Night

07-21-2008, 10:22 PM

Night, you are an INtJ. You care about people and I believe that sometimes your heart guides your decision making. IOW you're a thoughtful, respectful, intelligent individual with much to offer those around you, including your students.

Thank you very much, Jen.

INtJ is spot on.

I would've also accepted ENTP. ;)

substitute

07-21-2008, 10:26 PM

(I still think you're an E. ;) )

I've always thought that. She don't listen to me though :laugh:
I'd say somethin' like EnFp.

Haphazard

07-21-2008, 10:53 PM

MacGuffin

07-21-2008, 11:03 PM

Thank you very much, Jen.

INtJ is spot on.

I would've also accepted ENTP. ;)
What's wrong with INTP??? HUH???

HUH???

Haphazard

07-21-2008, 11:05 PM

What's wrong with INTP??? HUH???

HUH???

So, so many things...

Usehername

07-21-2008, 11:10 PM

Jen / anyone - does the INTJ template fit me?

I'm thinking of revising it...

+1 vote for revising it to fit the subversion of the type who has taken on NF tendencies/worldview while still, at pure heart and driving motives, being an NT!!

Also, re: Jen's type:

I think xxFJ is without a doubt; ExFJ seems more likely the case (although even there I'm uncertain) and I had you narrowed down to ExFJ. I tried to click both but it would only let me choose one so I picked the first one of the two.

Probably you are more xNFJ than xSFJ because your moodiness is more unpredictable than the xSFJ moodiness. (No criticism/ill intent meant here. You've got the xxFJ moodiness, and I say this with a BFF whom I love dearly who has it as well.)

Jen

07-21-2008, 11:23 PM

+1 vote for revising it to fit the subversion of the type who has taken on NF tendencies/worldview while still, at pure heart and driving motives, being an NT!!

Also, re: Jen's type:

I think xxFJ is without a doubt; ExFJ seems more likely the case (although even there I'm uncertain) and I had you narrowed down to ExFJ. I tried to click both but it would only let me choose one so I picked the first one of the two.

Probably you are more xNFJ than xSFJ because your moodiness is more unpredictable than the xSFJ moodiness. (No criticism/ill intent meant here. You've got the xxFJ moodiness, and I say this with a BFF whom I love dearly who has it as well.)Thanks. No criticism or ill will taken. :)

The_Liquid_Laser

07-21-2008, 11:25 PM

+1 vote for revising it to fit the subversion of the type who has taken on NF tendencies/worldview while still, at pure heart and driving motives, being an NT!!

They have a name for that. It's called healthy INTJ.

Geoff

07-21-2008, 11:34 PM

Watching the way this thread has developed has been interesting.

From :

type me!
don't type me
to
humorous interlude
I want to type others.

Jen

07-22-2008, 05:03 AM

Jen / anyone - does the INTJ template fit me?

I'm thinking of revising it...Me too as in revising my type. I'd like to experience all 16 types and will start with ESFJ since that got the most votes. :) If you can't beat em, join em! :smile:

don't say i didn't warn you. ;P

Eileen

07-22-2008, 01:16 PM

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 01:18 PM

Watching the way this thread has developed has been interesting.

From :

type me!
don't type me
to
humorous interlude
I want to type others.

No personal stagnation here, very transformative!

MacGuffin

07-22-2008, 03:09 PM

You do seem very much like a J type to me... kind of rigid in your own way but not inflexible (I am too).

To a P, all Js are inflexible in needless ways.

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 03:33 PM

To a P, all Js are inflexible in needless ways.

Yes. y'all need to let the Wind of Life blow throooough you...
Feel the wind.
Bend with it.
Flex like the green sheaf of wheat dancing in the breeze and unharmed by the hurricane.

:D

Jen

07-22-2008, 03:37 PM

Love me, hate me I'm not going anywhere bitches! :devil:

colmena

07-22-2008, 03:55 PM

Wow. Courtney Cox's neck is scary.

A man could do weird and wonderful things with a neck like that.

Jae Rae

07-22-2008, 03:55 PM

I can buy INFJ, actually. Maybe ENFJ. I tend to trust people's assessments of whether they're introverts or extraverts because they know how their own energy flows... but you seem a ambiverted to me. What were you like as a kid?

I think FJ is pretty clear, and you use Fe.

I could see you being a sensing type with your artistic career/aesthetic sensibilities. But you also seem to be a "big picture" person. Not sure there.

You do seem very much like a J type to me... kind of rigid in your own way but not inflexible (I am too).

I think you may be an atypical iNFJ, if you are one. Unusual enneatype might have something to do with that. You seem to me like an 8.

:)

I thought common knowledge was that INFJs are the hardest to type; they often don't recognize themselves and sometimes even other INFJs don't recognize them. :huh: IOW, if you have trouble identifying someone's type, chances are it's INFJ.

But I said ENFJ because of all the extroverted social arrangements you're involved with on the forum - team captain, polls, meet-ups, awards, etc.

Jen

07-22-2008, 04:27 PM

All kidding aside I wanted people who felt they knew me well to type me, they did and I thank them. :)

Here's the breakdown:

INFJ-

captainchick- supportive of me always. never had any probs with her myself. i could be wrong but i think she's too busy irl to really observe my type but i do appreciate her vote.
Eileen- Has met me and while I thought she hadn't given me the time of day she was paying a lot closer attention that I thought. I trust and value her opinion.
entropie- I don't know well at all, but thanks for the vote of NF confidence.
Falcarius- A loving dinosaur, thanks for your vote.
Haight- Owns this forum and would know.
Lethe- lurks a lot and seems to know what she's talking about.
MetalWounds- I trust and value his opinion.
mondo- have no idea who he/she is but thanks much for your vote
scantilyclad- I trust and value her opinion.
LiquidLaser- Like my husband he is married to an INFJ. I trust and value his opinion. His posts are detailed and full of useful information. Like Limey and myself, he probably keeps his wife grounded otherwise her mind (like mine) might take flight way up high in the clouds.
Jennifer - Brilliant and Beautiful as always.
Limey- No one knows me better.

INTJ-
Night- I can see why you'd choose that as Limey is the more dominant type between the two of us and his way of thinking has rubbed off on my. He also shoves logic in my face at every opportunity. ;P

ESFJ-

I can certainly see why those who voted ESFJ would do so. That being said those who voted ESFJ have only interacted with me in passing so they couldn't possibly know the real me as they haven't gone that deep. They only see surface Jen. All the same thank you very much for your votes.

ENFJ-
AvereX- Does not know me well enough to type me accurately but I thank you for your vote. :)
DeliriousDisposition- I haven't interacted much with DD but value her opinion
file cabinet- this man sees more than people realize.
Ivy-I value and respect Ivy's opinion and can definetely see why she thinks I'm extroverted. I find it very easy to be extroverted around highly introverted people.
Jae Rae- JaeRae pays attention and I value her opinion.
Lurker- Lurker I hear is very quiet and introverted so I must appear scary and loud to her. ;)
proteanmix- A woman a lot like myself. I respect and value pm's opinion.
Rajah- and intro/extrovert like myself. i value her opinion.

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 04:35 PM

Well, if someone wasn't sure about the Fe, that STYLE of response (as well as the appearance of it at all) should have clinched it for them. ;)

Jen

07-22-2008, 04:39 PM

I'll Fe all over all of you. Just try me!

Geoff, you must like me to compare me to your sister. :blush:

colmena

07-22-2008, 04:40 PM

Well, if someone wasn't sure about the Fe, that STYLE of response (as well as the appearance of it at all) should have clinched it for them. ;)

+1

I'm thinking ESFJ, and will now vote thusly.

Jen

07-22-2008, 04:44 PM

no offense colmena and your vote is appreciated but you're (trying to put this delicately) not qualified to type me. This means nothing as I'm sure you're a lovely person but like Nocapsize it's just not going to be accurate. You haven't known me long enough and we've only interacted a handful of times. All that being said go forth and vote!

colmena

07-22-2008, 04:55 PM

No offense taken.

It's just how you come across online. And even if you are quite different in real life, all the posts online must be somewhat telling.

Even if you do require quiet (recharge) time, I think your extroverted sensing and feeling are big trumps.

So although I may not know you (I don't profess to), I think I can give an objective response.

Jen

07-22-2008, 04:59 PM

Are there any ESFJ's on here? The ones I know irl think spending a lot of time online is insane. I've tried getting my ESFP friend to join but she just won't and my RL ESFJ friend is too busy. She is a hoot. Every time we get together I have to prepare myself because she will stop and talk to anyone who will listen. She knows everyone in town and is well liked but wears me the hell out. When I get home from our 2-3 hour visits i have to take a nap. Sometimes I feel like telling her to stfu and give it a rest but she's so nice and it would break her heart.

disregard

07-22-2008, 05:03 PM

Pure_merc is an ESFJ, and I find him to be an impressive young man.

The_Liquid_Laser

07-22-2008, 05:12 PM

Well, if someone wasn't sure about the Fe, that STYLE of response (as well as the appearance of it at all) should have clinched it for them. ;)

More than just Fe, it reinforces my belief in her INFJ type. It's analytical approach toward people's opinions of her. The INTJ mind is a natural scientist analysing data until a coherent conclusion emerges. The INFJ mind is similar, but it uses human interactions as the data points. In this case an INFJ would look at everyone's opinion until some type of insight emerges that makes sense of it all.

Jen

07-22-2008, 05:14 PM

^ d00d knows, k?

Pure_merc is an ESFJ, and I find him to be an impressive young man.Pmerc and I haven't spoken much on the forum at all but we do share similar taste in music.

Here is the list off the top of my head of people that I've bonded with.

Cafe- INFJ
Ivy- INFP
Jennifer- INTP
Rajah- INTP
proteanmix- ENFJ
PinkPirahna- ENFJ
MetalWounds- INTJ
Night- INTJ
Faith- INFJ
Eileen- INFJ
*still thinking* more to come

I tried but wearing the ESFJ label is like wearing pants that expose ct. it's icky and i just can't do it.

Night

07-22-2008, 05:20 PM

Please.

ESFJ you aren't.

End of story.

Geoff

07-22-2008, 05:30 PM

All kidding aside I wanted people who felt they knew me well to type me, they did and I thank them. :)

Here's the breakdown:

INFJ-

captainchick- supportive of me always. never had any probs with her myself. i could be wrong but i think she's too busy irl to really observe my type but i do appreciate her vote.
Eileen- Has met me and while I thought she hadn't given me the time of day she was paying a lot closer attention that I thought. I trust and value her opinion.
entropie- I don't know well at all, but thanks for the vote of NF confidence.
Falcarius- A loving dinosaur, thanks for your vote.
Haight- Owns this forum and would know.
Lethe- lurks a lot and seems to know what she's talking about.
MetalWounds- I trust and value his opinion.
mondo- have no idea who he/she is but thanks much for your vote
scantilyclad- I trust and value her opinion.
LiquidLaser- Like my husband he is married to an INFJ. I trust and value his opinion. His posts are detailed and full of useful information. Like Limey and myself, he probably keeps his wife grounded otherwise her mind (like mine) might take flight way up high in the clouds.
Jennifer - Brilliant and Beautiful as always.

INTJ-
Night- I can see why you'd choose that as Limey is the more dominant type between the two of us and his way of thinking has rubbed off on my. He also shoves logic in my face at every opportunity. ;P

ESFJ-

I can certainly see why those who voted ESFJ would do so. That being said those who voted ESFJ have only interacted with me in passing so they couldn't possibly know the real me as they haven't gone that deep. They only see surface Jen. All the same thank you very much for your votes.

ENFJ-
AvereX- Does not know me well enough to type me accurately but I thank you for your vote. :)
DeliriousDisposition- I haven't interacted much with DD but value her opinion
file cabinet- this man sees more than people realize.
Ivy-I value and respect Ivy's opinion and can definetely see why she thinks I'm extroverted. I find it very easy to be extroverted around highly introverted people.
Jae Rae- JaeRae pays attention and I value her opinion.
Lurker- Lurker I hear is very quiet and introverted so I must appear scary and loud to her. ;)
proteanmix- A woman a lot like myself. I respect and value pm's opinion.
Rajah- and intro/extrovert like myself. i value her opinion.

I'll Fe all over all of you. Just try me!

Geoff, you must like me to compare me to your sister. :blush:

This isn't about whether I like you, why would that be relevant? All 16 types are equally wonderful. Trust me. You did respond as an ESFJ, to me. You created a hierarchical response, Fe led, and there was a big focus on how people "believe" in you.

I'm sorry you'll see this as a criticism, it isn't!

MetalWounds

07-22-2008, 05:35 PM

Please.

ESFJ you aren't.

End of story.

x2

INFJ ftw

Jen

07-22-2008, 05:37 PM

I'm sorry you'll see this as a criticism, it isn't!I didn't take your response as criticism and the reason being is because I don't think you're good at judging people's personalities online. It's just not your forte.

colmena

07-22-2008, 05:37 PM

Please.

ESFJ you aren't.

End of story.

Stop manipulating P. Stories should never end.

http://www.fresh99.com/images/comicbooks/goldenshowers.jpg

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 05:38 PM

This isn't about whether I like you, why would that be relevant? All 16 types are equally wonderful. Trust me. You did respond as an ESFJ, to me. You created a hierarchical response, Fe led, and there was a big focus on how people "believe" in you.

I'm sorry you'll see this as a criticism, it isn't!

I wouldn't say a "criticism," it's probably just frustrating to feel like a few people only see part of you and for whatever reason can't see the rest.

Hmmm.
1. Are there types who aren't really offended if they feel mistyped (versus others more prone to be annoyed), or is it truly just a personal reaction?
2. If someone else you know whom you think is an ESFJ was posting this thread... would it have looked different at all than Jen's responses?

disregard

07-22-2008, 05:38 PM

:rofl1: This thread is awesome. We need a subforum for excellent threads.

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 05:40 PM

Please.
ESFJ you aren't.
End of story.

Stop manipulating P. Stories should never end.

Right on.
Damned J's.

:)

(Actually, sometimes I'm pretty sure of my opinion too.
Until it changes.)

:rofl1: This thread is awesome. We need a subforum for excellent threads.

What, you mean a Classics section?

disregard

07-22-2008, 05:42 PM

Precisely!

Edahn

07-22-2008, 05:54 PM

You know what's totally annoying? You starting a thread asking people what your type is, praising all the people who choose the type you want for yourself, and then arguing that all the people who didn't choose your desired type don't know you, or haven't gone deep enough, or some other excuse for why their opinion isn't valid. Gimme a break. This is about something else entirely, which everyone else has already pointed out, namely, that you equate "sensor" with "vacant" and want to prove to everyone that you're not either of them. I think the purpose of this thread, like a majority of the threads you start, is about validating you. That's why I'm sticking with ESFJ.

Edit: I should clarify. The annoying thing isn't you starting a thread like this or wanting to let people know that you're contemplative. The annoying thing is the way it's disguised.

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 06:06 PM

You know what's totally annoying? You starting a thread asking people what your type is, praising all the people who choose the type you want for yourself, and then arguing that all the people who didn't choose your desired type don't know you, or haven't gone deep enough, or some other excuse for why their opinion isn't valid. Gimme a break. This is about something else entirely, which everyone else has already pointed out, namely, that you equate "sensor" with "vacant" and want to prove to everyone that you're not either of them. I think the purpose of this thread, like a majority of the threads you start, is about validating you. That's why I'm sticking with ESFJ.

wt....?

Nice opening, I could dance to it.
Could even agree with some of it.

But the conclusion (i.e., the type read tacked on the end) is illogical.

(And also is a bit insulting to ESFJs, to be honest, although I suppose that wasn't your point.)

Edit: I should clarify. The annoying thing isn't you starting a thread like this or wanting to let people know that you're contemplative. The annoying thing is the way it's disguised.

Ah, there it is. :)
Cool beans, ignore my other comment.

Night

07-22-2008, 06:10 PM

Stop manipulating P. Stories should never end.

http://www.fresh99.com/images/comicbooks/goldenshowers.jpg

;)

I think I'm more xNTP than you perhaps realize, colmena...

(Actually, sometimes I'm pretty sure of my opinion too.
Until it changes.)

Me too, my dear.

Jen

07-22-2008, 06:23 PM

I think the purpose of this thread, like a majority of the threads you start, is about validating you. That's why I'm sticking with ESFJ.You're goddamned right it's all about me but you're also terrible at typing people. You don't have a clue where I'm coming from.

Edit: I should clarify. The annoying thing isn't you starting a thread like this or wanting to let people know that you're contemplative. The annoying thing is the way it's disguised.thanks for you for your vote.

Edahn

07-22-2008, 06:25 PM

But the conclusion (i.e., the type read tacked on the end) is illogical.

Lets see.

I SAID: Jen has a strong need for validation, and this thread is just but one example.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ESFJ.html (Personalitypage.com/ESFJ.html):
SAID, about ESFJs:

"ESFJs are warm and energetic. They need approval from others to feel good about themselves...They're very sensitive to others, and freely give practical care. ESFJs are such caring individuals, that they sometimes have a hard time seeing or accepting a difficult truth about someone they care about...They have a strong need to be liked, and to be in control. They are extremely good at reading others, and often change their own manner to be more pleasing to whoever they're with at the moment."

ERGO: Jen has strong ESFJ qualities, enough to convince me that ESFJ is a good fit for her. I happen to think all of those qualities match her personality, but I based my illogical conclusion on the emboldened part only.

You're goddamned right it's all about me but you're also terrible at typing people. You don't have a clue where I'm coming from.

This is the BS I'm talking about. I don't type you the way you want, so you charge me with being terrible at typing people. Meh. Whatever.

Jennifer

07-22-2008, 06:30 PM

Lets see.

I SAID: Jen has a strong need for validation, and this thread is just but one example.

http://www.personalitypage.com/ESFJ.html (Personalitypage.com/ESFJ.html):
SAID, about ESFJs:

"ESFJs are warm and energetic. They need approval from others to feel good about themselves...They're very sensitive to others, and freely give practical care. ESFJs are such caring individuals, that they sometimes have a hard time seeing or accepting a difficult truth about someone they care about...They have a strong need to be liked, and to be in control. They are extremely good at reading others, and often change their own manner to be more pleasing to whoever they're with at the moment."

ERGO: Jen has strong ESFJ qualities, enough to convince me that ESFJ is a good fit for her. I happen to think all of those qualities match her personality, but I based my illogical conclusion on the emboldened part only.

Thanks for explaining your logic, and if you just consider these points, I suppose you can extrapolate the horse from the hoof you are examining.

(Which is, basically, MY point. You're basing a broad type read on one aspect of Jen's personality.)

Whate