Guess Ilah's type

[Ilah]

I do think that my T is dominant and my N is secondary. However I think my N is much weaker that it should be for being my secondary. It is interesting that the ways for INTP and INTJ to develope their N is very different.

It is difficult for me to talk to people about things that are N. It seems like most of it is beyond words. Most people don't understand and I am not sure if it is because I don't explain it well or because the concepts are not something people can deal with. Also because of past bad experiences I get concerned that people will try to talk me out of decisions based on N because they are not "logical" or I can't give a good explanation.

I suppose part of my reason for joining was to talk with others about some of my N things.

It is my understanding that in healthy NTs, N and T work together. However, in myself it often seems like they are sometimes at odds. Sometimes things I intuit can be backed up by logic and I am comfortable with that. Sometimes things can be decided just by logic and I am comfortable with that. Sometimes things are decided just by intuition and there is no logical basis to them. Those are the type of thing I want to feel more comfortable with. Also I would like to try to include my N on some of the decisions made through logic alone.


If you're really INTP then Ti would be the dominant. With others though you'd express Ne--ideas that might seem like brainstorming for those listening. Usually, it works for Ti's to generate those ideas in conversation with someone they consider a good sounding board and perhaps talk through criteria for the decision as well. Then, alone, the Ti would compare the ideas to internal principles, considering precedents, goals, and consistency with other aspects of life. Gathering more data or taking the time to theorize usually builds confidence.

INTJs, with Ni as the dominant, would take a whole different approach to improving their facility with Ni--and it might take a bit of a thick skin. The best gut feelings would come from time alone. Then they might need to work on Te with a trusted other (someone who will encourage instead of critiquing too quickly) to discern the merit of the choice.

As an INFJ, the older I get, the less I like acting solo even though I've had success trusting my Ni. There's a confidence level and wisdom that comes from talking through a scheme with someone else. Sometimes the basics stay the same but I gain insights into what else I should consider, steps that increase the odds of success, how I might garner more support (even monetarily) and so on.

Regarding another post about whether N was always right. I would say no. I am strong with T and sometimes things that seemed very logical turned out to be not true or not the right choice for me, i.e. my T was wrong. I am sure people strong in F had times where their feelings proved to be wrong. So no trait is always right.

Ilah

[nolla]

It is my understanding that in healthy NTs, N and T work together. However, in myself it often seems like they are sometimes at odds. Sometimes things I intuit can be backed up by logic and I am comfortable with that. Sometimes things can be decided just by logic and I am comfortable with that. Sometimes things are decided just by intuition and there is no logical basis to them. Those are the type of thing I want to feel more comfortable with. Also I would like to try to include my N on some of the decisions made through logic alone.


This made me realize something... I often study subjects that allow my logic to back up my intuition. I dont know, maybe this is a long shot, but it seems like my T-interests are to help me get the N-observations in a more logical forms. I can talk about the stuff i sense through intuition by using psychological terms and logic, for example. So, this is one way to make intuition more "concrete".

[Ilah]

Nolla, what kind of subjects help do your study where you use both logic and intuition?

If I can use terms from psychology or metaphysical/New Age terms that gives me some words to help explain N. Unfortunately, most people don't understand most of the words. Well at least here I can use the psychological words.

[nolla]

Nolla, what kind of subjects help do your study where you use both logic and intuition?

If I can use terms from psychology or metaphysical/New Age terms that gives me some words to help explain N. Unfortunately, most people don't understand most of the words. Well at least here I can use the psychological words.

Well, I use mostly psychology since I am interested in people and their minds. But surprisingly many popular areas give me ways to communicate. Movies are one of them. I like to analyze them, they are good examples of life situations. Theyre simple enough and many people know the same movies, so its not do hard to explain some concepts through them. Other stuff I use constantly: Astrology, painting, philosophy... but still, I think that popular psychology is the easiest way to get the point across. It depends a lot of the other person, though. Most people arent really interested in intuition, anyways.

Ed, thanks, thats a whole bunch of books.

[Ilah]

I have been thinking on this and I wonder if I am actually INTJ instead of INTP. I know I am introverted so my dominant function would be introverted. T seems much stronger than N.

However....

I was looking through I book I have Building Blocks or Personality Type by Leona Hass and Mark Hunziker. It has a chapter for each introvert and extrovert trait, Ni, Ne, Ti, Te, etc. I identify very strongly with the description it has of Ni. I don't indentify as much with Ne. Most signficantly, Ne is supposed to good at reading people. I am really bad at this. In addition exploring my N choices in a more solitary manner seems like the right path to me, like this is the path my N is telling me to take.

With T I really can't decide if Ti or Te fits me more. Maybe a combination of Te but a strong introvert personality could resemble a Ti?

I am thinking that maybe because my dominant aspect was so put down, the secondary aspect took over.

Maybe I should do one of those "what type am I" posts, but I would rather wait till I have been here longer for that.

Ilah

[Edahn]

Split from Using Intuition thread without permission of the author. :tongue: Also, added a poll. This is gonna be great.

Have fun, kids! :hi:

[Jennifer]

You can have strong traits outside your primary and secondary. (For example, my Ni tests closely behind my Ne. On occasion, as I get older, it's even beaten it.)

You should take the cognitive processes tests, just to get a general gist of how you measure up.

[colmena]

I don't see a poll. I wasn't going to vote, but I want to see a poll.


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Illah (or something to that effect), what does socionics think you are?

(How is the big socionics test regarded here?)

[Haphazard]

If T is so much stronger than N for you, and you don't see Ne, maybe ENTJ?

[Edahn]

She doesn't know this thread exists yet. We should keep talking to her and asking her questions and decide by the time she gets here before she says anything. *high fives everyone*

Moved some more posts related to Ilah's type-speculation.

[Ilah]

Split from Using Intuition thread without permission of the author. :tongue: Also, added a poll. This is gonna be great.

Have fun, kids! :hi:

I assume you read my post saying I felt like I should wait till I was hear longer before I posted one of those help me figure out my type posts.:blush:

[Edahn]

I assume you read my post saying I felt like I should wait till I was hear longer before I posted one of those help me figure out my type posts.:blush:

Yes, and I assume the didn't read the rep comment I left you.

:party2:

[disregard]

Edahn did this to me too. And he rigged the poll! May you be so lucky. :D

You are going to become my subject of intense observation for the following 12 or so minutes, and then I shall come to a conclusion.

[Ilah]

She doesn't know this thread exists yet. We should keep talking to her and asking her questions and decide by the time she gets here before she says anything. *high fives everyone*

Moved some more posts related to Ilah's type-speculation.

Too late.

Maybe I could pretend I didn't see it and answer questions in other areas of the board.

[Edahn]

It's the equivalent of pushing someone into the pool with their clothes on, which is something I which I did more irl.

...

SUCKA!


You should take the cognitive processes test so we can all see your brain.

[disregard]

INFP.

No diggity.

"I think I leaned heavily on the T part during this period. It seems like when I could focus on something logical or a serious book it helped derail the negative train of thoughts a bit. Actually even repeating the times table could often help pull me toward neutral."

Leaning on T during negative moments..? Te. I see your Fi in your posts. Yes.. you are not that in touch with your emotions... that does not imply T.

[Ilah]

Yes, and I assume the didn't read the rep comment I left you.

:party2:

Okay I just now read it. I didn't realize I had a rep comment. Nothing pops up to say "you have a rep comment" like it does for PMs.

[Ilah]

INFP.

No diggity.

"I think I leaned heavily on the T part during this period. It seems like when I could focus on something logical or a serious book it helped derail the negative train of thoughts a bit. Actually even repeating the times table could often help pull me toward neutral."

Leaning on T during negative moments..? Te. I see your Fi in your posts. Yes.. you are not that in touch with your emotions... that does not imply T.

I thought most people leaned on their dominant trait during times of trouble.

[Jennifer]

I thought most people leaned on their dominant trait during times of trouble.

The dominant is dominant because you use it instinctively, first. And we generally use our extroverted primary or secondary to interact with the world.

So generally you are right, yes. people automatically for the dominant, until they branch out as they get older and become more complex and have more of a function toolbox to play with.

However, environment [that punishes a particular function for being used] can derail that natural sequence. So the rule is not foolproof.

[Ilah]

I had heard that looking at the description and seeing which ones fit you best was the best indication, but based on a comment here I search out some free on-line tests. I took 4 of them and they all came back INTJ. So I guess I will change my type to INTJ.

I am including some things I cut and pasted from the tests I took. Not sure how readable they will be.

Test 1Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
89 75 75 22

Qualitative analysis of your type formula
You are:

[Ilah]

It cut off some of my post I will try to post the rest.

test 2

Your personality type:

There should be a graph here:

a rough estimate of the graph
Introvert 75%, Intuitive 75%, Thinking 100%, Judging 75%


test 3

Jung Test Results

Introverted (I) 75% Extroverted (E) 25%
Intuitive (N) 74.29% Sensing (S) 25.71%
Thinking (T) 76.67% Feeling (F) 23.33%
Judging (J) 70.97% Perceiving (P) 29.03%

Your type is: INTJ

test 4

There was a chart I had to clear up since it didn't come out well.

ISTJ 74%
ISFJ 68%
INFJ 78%
INTJ 84%ISTP 70%
ISFP 56%
INFP 60%
INTP 75%
ESTP 30%
ESFP 24%
ENFP 34%
ENTP 40%
ESTJ 48%
ESFJ 33%
ENFJ 38%
ENTJ 52%
From this table, you can see that the two highest scoring types are INTJ and INFJ. This doesn't rule out the other types. But those are the two that are closest when we 'pattern match' your questionnaire results with each of the 16 personality types

Ilah