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Old 01-23-2008, 09:24 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Okay Gabe I understand what you're saying and I've no problem with it.

One minor clarification though:



That isn't quite what I meant... in fact I kinda was trying to say that this was the perception that I sometimes get. But owning that it's subjective, and not expecting anyone else to agree but rather, trying to get to the bottom of why I have that perception, always quite open to the answer not being "because it's true".

Of course the things I say seem realistic and sensible from my point of view, otherwise I wouldn't be saying them. But if they don't seem it from someone else's point of view then I'd rather they just told me so and explained why, than snark at me and get defensive - which is not what I'm saying you're doing, but it's what he does. In fact it might not even be what he does, but simply my perception of what he does. Point is, bottom line: I have this perception, this impression, and here are my reasons for it. I know it might be wrong, so my main concern is to examine it and find out the truth. In this case, I'm not out to win - I don't have a point that I strongly believe in that I want you to adopt. All I have is a perception and a bit of confusion, so when you react the way you have been, I want to know why that seems to strengthen this perception, giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing you when you say it's not so.

Imagine you and I are sitting on either side of an opaque wall that has just one small transparent window, about the size of the palm of your hand. I'm wearing red tinted sunglasses. You hold a green apple up to the window and say "this is a green apple". I say "it's not, it's a red apple". You adamantly insist that it's green, but I equally adamantly insist that all I see is red. You don't know that I'm wearing the sunglasses and that I'm really telling the truth about what I see, but I've been wearing the glasses so long I've forgotten they're even there, so I don't click that they're the reason we're arguing or think of taking them off.

Now, what I want to do is get to the bottom of why you see green and I see red. I'm not calling you a liar, but what I see is what I see, and I'm not lying either about what I see. If you and I could focus on believing each other's intentions to be good, and not doubt each other's sincerity, we could probably come up with a series of "experiments" that would soon reveal the sunglasses to be the real culprit for the misunderstanding. I'd suddenly realize I was wearing them, take them off, laugh and kick myself, and thank you for removing one more obstacle that was in the way of my aim of obtaining a clear perception of reality. I'd never call a green apple red again, and if I ever saw one that seemed red, I'd be checking to see if I'd inadvertently put those sunglasses back on without realizing it.

Does that reach you at all?
(giving you the benifit of the doubt) Your brother may (MAY) be emotionally abusive. Whatever that is, I don't think it says anything about ENFPs. And if you want to talk about Fi emotional tyranny, tyranny/abuse would even be Ok words (I'd accept them). What's NOT right is the idea getting evolved on this thread about that feeling-associated behavior being superficial (the way you describe it, it's feeling). I would even be willing to use not-so-nice words to describe the behavior, I just Will Not call it superficial, partly because that's really not the right word, and partly because I don't want to lend anything to a Blackwater-theory. Because I was so angry at blackwater, and about where I was afraid this thread would go, I snapped at you. I'm sorry.

(and that is purely about my value-opinion of Blackwater's motives. Believe me, Blackwater, if you hadn't made that thread about "ENFX HYpocracy" I would've been much more open to your 'inquiry' with this thread. That's not 'superficiality', and I'm not apologizing for that judgement.)
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