It's a pity so many threads have to degenerate into arguments like this against the person's motives instead of having real discussions and talking about the presented information. This has happened countless times, a thread is started and people start questioning the motives of the person starting it instead of actually responding to what was said.
I really wish you would all just stop arguing on this level and try to discuss the topic rather than each other, okay?
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"The Athenians, however, represent the unity of these opposites; in them, mind or spirit has emerged from the Theban subjectivity without losing itself in the Spartan objectivity of ethical life. With the Athenians, the rights of the State and of the individual found as perfect a union as was possible at all at the level of the Greek spirit." --Hegel's philosophy of Mind
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